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December 2nd, 2013 at 7:37:33 PM permalink
My wife received her new Total Rewards magazine today and found a story from the Wiz in it on "The truth about BJ". Was anything posted about this before? Good to see Mike getting the pub and the business.
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December 2nd, 2013 at 8:03:24 PM permalink
I hope that they were talking about Blackjack.
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December 2nd, 2013 at 8:16:23 PM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

I hope that they were talking about Blackjack.


Haha, I just watched a video clip about BJ. That lady was gooddddddd. really, really goodddddddddddddddddddddd...
But one small/minor imperfection. The lady did not SW.....
SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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December 2nd, 2013 at 9:34:00 PM permalink
So, that finally came out, eh?! I did that interview for them about two months ago. We went back and forth several times on the wording. I would be interested to see a scan of the article.
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December 2nd, 2013 at 10:35:35 PM permalink
Wizard I hope this doesn't creep you out or anything but my friend and I have a small friendly bet going on who can find you in a casino and take a picture with you (or just of you if you are surrounded by beautiful women as we imagine you will be). We will probably also buy you a free drink. You're sort of our hero.

ALL HAIL THE WIZARD!!
casino's money disappears the execs worry when the wizard is near He turns tears into joy Everyone's happy when the wizard walks by
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December 2nd, 2013 at 10:38:32 PM permalink
Also, I really wanna see this article now. I imagine you tell people that even if you are super horrible at blackjack you are still way less -EV than playing a slot, with just as much fun. I don't think the evil empire would like that very much.
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December 3rd, 2013 at 5:18:27 AM permalink
Quote: speedycrap

...
But one small/minor imperfection. The lady did not SW.....


SW ?
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December 3rd, 2013 at 5:42:26 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

SW ?


Swallow

Wrong kind of BJ.
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December 3rd, 2013 at 5:53:24 AM permalink
Quote: OzzyOsbourne

Wizard I hope this doesn't creep you out or anything but my friend and I have a small friendly bet going on who can find you in a casino and take a picture with you (or just of you if you are surrounded by beautiful women as we imagine you will be). We will probably also buy you a free drink. You're sort of our hero.

ALL HAIL THE WIZARD!!

With out prior knowledge where he is going to be. I have a feeling this bet will be ongoing for a long time, if ever. I guess it would depend on how much time he spends in the casinos, I have a feeling its far less then you think.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 3rd, 2013 at 8:30:18 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

With out prior knowledge where he is going to be. I have a feeling this bet will be ongoing for a long time, if ever. I guess it would depend on how much time he spends in the casinos, I have a feeling its far less then you think.

You could stake out the Rampart, Suncoast, and Red Rock sports books on Sunday morning . . . ;)
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December 3rd, 2013 at 8:46:33 AM permalink
Or attend a WoVCon....
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December 3rd, 2013 at 8:56:23 AM permalink
Quote: OzzyOsbourne

Wizard I hope this doesn't creep you out or anything but my friend and I have a small friendly bet going on who can find you in a casino and take a picture with you (or just of you if you are surrounded by beautiful women as we imagine you will be). We will probably also buy you a free drink. You're sort of our hero.



Thanks for the kind words. Your chances of spotting me in a casino are pretty low, as I usually just run in and out to make a bet or check out a new game. I you give up hope I'm generally available to meet for a coffee if you can come out to Summerlin.
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December 3rd, 2013 at 3:33:40 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

So, that finally came out, eh?! I did that interview for them about two months ago. We went back and forth several times on the wording. I would be interested to see a scan of the article.



OK, see if this works for you Wiz in TR E-Zine
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December 3rd, 2013 at 4:29:56 PM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

OK, see if this works for you Wiz in TR E-Zine



Thanks. The only problem I have with that is the 21+3 plug at the bottom of the page. I'm afraid it might look like the endorsement is coming from me. They absolutely overruled me warning against side bets and 6 to 5 blackjack.
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December 3rd, 2013 at 4:50:20 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard



Thanks. The only problem I have with that is the 21+3 plug at the bottom of the page. I'm afraid it might look like the endorsement is coming from me. They absolutely overruled me warning against side bets and 6 to 5 blackjack.



Yeah, it was pretty shrewd editing on their part, even though anyone reading closely would realize you aren't endorsing it. You (and most of us here) would yell a resounding NO! to that 13% crap house edge game.
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December 3rd, 2013 at 4:55:29 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: JohnnyQ

OK, see if this works for you Wiz in TR E-Zine



Thanks. The only problem I have with that is the 21+3 plug at the bottom of the page. I'm afraid it might look like the endorsement is coming from me. They absolutely overruled me warning against side bets and 6 to 5 blackjack.



It is my opinion that the black callout box at the bottom is structured in a way that does tie it in to you. I was hoping to say otherwise, but the layout without clear delineation between similarly shaped and color-coordinated graphics, the caption-placement of the ad below your picture, the Q and A format of the right side, the fact that it's the largest font used for body text on the page, and the phrasing "Have you tried..." strongly implies that it's you asking the question and urging people to try the game, when in fact you would have said the opposite. I would guess that if you gave a group of readers 20 seconds or so to look at that page, took it away, and asked them what the Wizard said about the 21+3 bet, none of them would say, "Nothing".

Most things like that, if they're regular magazines, will have a separator that says "Advertisement" in small print, or a line, or use unrelated graphics to emphasize that the page is sharing disparate elements. However, this is an in-house advertisement in magazine format, so maybe they don't play by the same rules. The troubling thing is that you had the editorial conversation about sidebets and then they allowed this to be published with the endorsement implication. I'm guessing careless editing rather than deliberate misdirection.
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December 3rd, 2013 at 5:20:30 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

It is my opinion that the black callout box at the bottom is structured in a way that does tie it in to you.



Damn! Not what I wanted to hear, but appreciate your interpretation of it.
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December 3rd, 2013 at 5:30:22 PM permalink
I know. I'm sorry to have come to that conclusion also. As you know, I like them a lot. But it appears they have done you a disservice.

EDIT: If you end up having a discussion with them about this, there is one more thing I missed initially: the credit line off to the side says "Courtesy of Michael Shackleford" sideways. Your brain sees this even if you don't really read it, and it's posted abeam their ad, not your column, which further ties in the ad to what you wrote. That credit should either have been abeam your material or within the grey confines of the design that encompassed your material.
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December 3rd, 2013 at 5:38:39 PM permalink
I accidentally clicked the picture instead of the arrow and Britney's chest jumped into my face :(
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December 3rd, 2013 at 5:45:16 PM permalink
Forget the Wiz, Guy Fieri is opening a restaurant in
Vegas. I've seen every episode of DD&D and have
learned a lot over the years. What a great success
story this guy is..
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December 3rd, 2013 at 5:59:01 PM permalink
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I accidentally clicked the picture instead of the arrow and Britney's chest jumped into my face :(


And the problem is...? :)
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December 3rd, 2013 at 6:16:29 PM permalink
Quote: Perdition

I accidentally clicked the picture instead of the arrow and Britney's chest jumped into my face :(



Thanks for the tip! :P
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December 3rd, 2013 at 7:09:10 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: JohnnyQ

OK, see if this works for you Wiz in TR E-Zine



Thanks. The only problem I have with that is the 21+3 plug at the bottom of the page. I'm afraid it might look like the endorsement is coming from me. They absolutely overruled me warning against side bets and 6 to 5 blackjack.



Good picture, though.
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December 3rd, 2013 at 8:30:22 PM permalink
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And the problem is...? :)

you beat me to it
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 3rd, 2013 at 9:09:07 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

And the problem is...? :)



A few years ago, when Brittany was having problems,
a photog caught her getting out of a car with her
skirt hiked up to her waist and no underwear. You
could see her 'Bermuda triangle' in all its natural
glory. I found it very off putting for some reason,
and it bothers me that I felt that way.
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December 4th, 2013 at 12:07:40 AM permalink
Regarding 6:5: they could put a passage of you saying, "less decks are better odds for the player in blackjack", cutting out the quote "unless it is 6:5, then you should avoid it.", then advertising the single deck 6:5 low minimum tables they offer at Caesers, if they really wanted to mislead people. I feel someone at marketing there is going to steal what I just wrote....
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December 4th, 2013 at 4:47:22 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

So, that finally came out, eh?! I did that interview for them about two months ago. We went back and forth several times on the wording. I would be interested to see a scan of the article.

You probably won't be angry in any way but don't expect much from them. Their target audience is average casino player. Sure "average" might embrace a great many things but in reality the average casino crowd is half looped, arguing about what game to play next, not particularly inclined to mathematics even when sober, and more interested in hitting a slot machine for a million dollars than a hard 18 for twenty-five dollars. Any gems of wisdom you gave them have been cut and polished to fit their publication.
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December 4th, 2013 at 5:26:47 AM permalink
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They absolutely overruled me warning against side bets and 6 to 5 blackjack.

Of course they did. Oh, you could have tried but you know it would never have been printed. The magazine featured Britany for the men to look at and The Wizard for female gamblers to look at. Your expertise is bait, its used for a lure to reel customers in, its not going to be a full meal. Railing against 6:5 won't be published by them; they have 6:5 in fourteen inch letters at the front entrance. Side bets... your advice would have fallen on deaf ears, so why bother with the bit about side bets.
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December 4th, 2013 at 7:25:36 AM permalink
Quote: djatc

"less decks are better odds for the player in blackjack", cutting out the quote "unless it is 6:5, then you should avoid it.",



There was originally a question regarding number of decks but we went back and forth several times on the wording. I tried to get in the 6-5 warning about single-deck, but they drew a line about any 6-5 warning. So I tried for a general warning that fewer decks is good, all other things being equal, but often the other rules are worse in single- and double-deck games. As I recall, we just couldn't agree on any wording, so that whole question got dropped.
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December 4th, 2013 at 9:15:31 AM permalink
First of all, they took a great pic of you very distinguished looking!! I didn't really feel you were endorsing the 21+3. It looked like a seperate box to me and there was also a blurb about playing in a TR casino which I found in no way attached to you.
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December 4th, 2013 at 9:15:59 AM permalink
Bob couldn't agree more on Guy Fiere. One of my favorite shows!
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December 4th, 2013 at 11:26:35 AM permalink
Quote: hook3670

Bob couldn't agree more on Guy Fiere. One of my favorite shows!



He's the only person that won Food Network Star
that actually went on to become a star on the
network. The others are all forgettable..
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December 4th, 2013 at 11:32:43 AM permalink
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First of all, they took a great pic of you very distinguished looking!!



Thanks, but they didn't take that picture. Somebody else did and I sent it to them. They probably touched it up a bit.
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December 4th, 2013 at 11:38:26 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thanks, but they didn't take that picture. Somebody else did and I sent it to them. They probably touched it up a bit.



Did they touch up this one to make you look
younger? When is this, 20 years ago?

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December 4th, 2013 at 12:40:18 PM permalink
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Did they touch up this one to make you look
younger? When is this, 20 years ago?



No, I've retired that as my standard head shot, for being too dated. It was taken about ten years ago, but I've aged a lot in those ten years.
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December 4th, 2013 at 12:59:38 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

He's the only person that won Food Network Star
that actually went on to become a star on the
network. The others are all forgettable..



I guess you were okay with them railroading Paula Deen then? The Harrahs tunica buffet has dearly suffered from it. Went from best buffet in town to barely edible once CET dropped her.
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December 4th, 2013 at 1:24:02 PM permalink
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I guess you were okay with them railroading Paula Deen then? .



I have never been able to take more than 5min
of her, I always turn the channel. She's so phony,
and combined with that Southern shitkicker accent,
it was more than I could stand.
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December 5th, 2013 at 9:48:25 AM permalink
Since we were talking about layout and perception in advertising the other day, I thought folks might find this interesting (actually, pretty funny):

bad logo designs
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December 5th, 2013 at 12:45:18 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Since we were talking about layout and perception in advertising the other day, I thought folks might find this interesting (actually, pretty funny):

bad logo designs



"Proper capitalization and a space between the words of the KidsExchange logo could have saved this company a great deal of embarrassment."

"KIDSEXCHANGE" lol
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December 5th, 2013 at 12:47:10 PM permalink
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December 5th, 2013 at 12:58:32 PM permalink
If you think that's bad, check out this stadium design for the World Cup:

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December 5th, 2013 at 1:00:23 PM permalink
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December 5th, 2013 at 1:15:24 PM permalink
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Quote: Beethoven9th

If you think that's bad, check out this stadium design for the World Cup:


Looks like female genitalia.


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December 5th, 2013 at 4:32:34 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs


bad logo designs


Now, Babs! I really think you should stop posting links to porn sites.

;-)
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December 5th, 2013 at 7:44:35 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Quote: beachbumbabs


bad logo designs


Now, Babs! I really think you should stop posting links to porn sites.

;-)



heeheehee....nothing wrong with a little sumpin-sumpin, Doc! ;-)
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