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November 1st, 2013 at 3:21:17 PM permalink
I just passed a row of slot machines and noticed an Asian couple with two dogs at slot machines...one is a boxer and the other a husky. Revel allows dogs 30 pounds and under to stay in certain hotel rooms but, other than a service dog, I have never seen a dog on a casino floor ANYWHERE...

I spoke with someone in the know and they informed me that people have been bringing their dogs more and more to the restaurants and casino floor...
I asked how non-service dogs can be allowed on the casino floor and restaurants without violating health codes and the like (i.e. fleas and ticks, hair etc.)...

according to my source, security was informed to allow all dogs on the floor and in restaurants and to not approach any patron with a dog as the patron may be using the dog for "emotional support" and to question why they have the dog will bring unwanted attention to them if they do indeed have an emotional problem and COULD ultimately lead to a lawsuit by the patron...

(FYI - None of the dogs were wearing muzzles and they basically walked around the area the leash extended while their owners concentrated on the slot machines)

I am a dog lover but this is going too far...

I suppose next week I shoupd bring my 150 pound mastiff, unmuzzled, on a 10 foot leash and have my own de facto reserved table...
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November 1st, 2013 at 3:24:28 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

and have my own de facto reserved table...



That's one of them there lawyery words, ain't it, Ace.
My facto, your facto, de facto..
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November 1st, 2013 at 3:33:24 PM permalink
Wow that sounds like a dream. I would be all about petting dogs there. Of course if someone has a mean dog they could get like 3 machines to themselves so who knows. At least the dogs don't have to worry about breathing all that smoke in.

They are worried about a lawsuit from people with dogs but they have to expect one sooner or later from a patron that gets bit by one of these dogs. The casino allowed the environment so they would be held responsible. Would not surprise me at all if someone even went to lengths to provoke a dog into biting them for this very reason. And what about the cat people, what will they think of this. Will there be a cat and dog section of the casino soon? Will ratholing soon involve actual rats? What kind of Pandora's box has been opened by this?

Just want to reiterate that I would pet a dog if I saw one on the casino floor.
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November 1st, 2013 at 3:35:27 PM permalink
You're the lawyer, but...ummm...isn't this the exact reason why service dogs must be marked? The accessories are even color coded by the type of assistance provided. No marking=not a service dog=not protected=frivolous lawsuit.

As someone who (loves but) is allergic to dogs and hates revel, I should drive out to AC and play at Revel and then sue them when I have a reaction to the dogs that they allowed to be on their gaming floor...
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November 1st, 2013 at 3:57:18 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

I just passed a row of slot machines and noticed an Asian couple with two dogs at slot machines...one is a boxer and the other a husky. Revel allows dogs 30 pounds and under to stay in certain hotel rooms but, other than a service dog, I have never seen a dog on a casino floor ANYWHERE...

I spoke with someone in the know and they informed me that people have been bringing their dogs more and more to the restaurants and casino floor...
I asked how non-service dogs can be allowed on the casino floor and restaurants without violating health codes and the like (i.e. fleas and ticks, hair etc.)...

according to my source, security was informed to allow all dogs on the floor and in restaurants and to not approach any patron with a dog as the patron may be using the dog for "emotional support" and to question why they have the dog will bring unwanted attention to them if they do indeed have an emotional problem and COULD ultimately lead to a lawsuit by the patron...

(FYI - None of the dogs were wearing muzzles and they basically walked around the area the leash extended while their owners concentrated on the slot machines)

I am a dog lover but this is going too far...

I suppose next week I shoupd bring my 150 pound mastiff, unmuzzled, on a 10 foot leash and have my own de facto reserved table...





Could be the couple was just planning on eating them later?

Somewhere they just had some legal ruling on the types of animals that could be used as emotional support, I think they reduced it to maybe little pet horses and dogs, I'm too lazy to look it up.

The rooms are segregated into pet sections. I know the one in Mesquite was called the "piss" section, reeked like a dog kennel.

Not only could your mastiff keep a few machines for you, you could get some of those fake dog poos and place them on some other stools and reserve a whole isle of machines.

Dog lover here. Just like kids though I really prefer them clean. It seems some of those ankle biting, snapping carpet pissing pooches need a bath as well.

Down here people were buying a service permit for their dogs for I think 25 dollars and shazzam they had a service dog. A lot of stores here allow dogs because they will die in a short amount of time in the heat.
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November 1st, 2013 at 4:01:09 PM permalink
The only time I saw a non service dog in a casino restaurant was when the lady sitting at the next table in the buffet at Caesars had her small dog in a bag made with black netting. I had no idea the dog was in there until it barked for french fries. Being a dog lover, a small dog in an enclosed bag with netting didn't bother me at all.

At Caesars now they have two dog friendly floors so seeing does in common areas such as the lobby, elevators, hallways is routine. Ive never seen a larger dog -- they all seem to be "small dogs" which follows the rules.

Ive seen various "service" dogs with players at slot machines and at table games and they wear a "service dog" emblem or coat of some sort.

When I saw small dogs such as ShihTzus wearing these "service dog" emblems I was always suspicious that someone who loves their dog too much got a service dog emblem just to have their cuddly pup with them. But then I discovered that small dogs such as ShihTzus can be trained to detect low blood sugar in diabetics.

My friend was a "brittle diabetic" (meaning hard to control his blood sugars) and he had one of these specially trained dogs. Unfortunately he was on an insulin pump and the pump malfunctioned and he tragically died. Since then I met another diabetic with a trained ShihTzu to detect low blood sugar.

It might be something with the breed. Years ago my ShihTzu "Karma" used to wake me during the night when I started to sweat from low blood sugar. (I had a combination kidney-pancreas transplant) about five years ago so I am no longer diabetic.) I just figured Karma woke me because he knew I was sweating and something was not "right" with his Daddy but now I understand how the breed might have some special talents.
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November 1st, 2013 at 4:02:32 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus



As someone who (loves but) is allergic to dogs



Get a Bichon, they're hypoallergenic. Best dog
you're even have.

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November 1st, 2013 at 4:16:37 PM permalink
I wonder if I can play in the card room with a parrot on my shoulder?
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November 1st, 2013 at 5:02:37 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

I wonder if I can play in the card room with a parrot on my shoulder?




It seems that, in the quest for gaming dollars at this end of the boardwalk, anything goes!
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November 1st, 2013 at 6:06:27 PM permalink
There was a lady a couple of years ago at Caesars AC and Showboat who had three dogs and always brought them to the old 7 Star Brunch. Many complained but she pulled the old "emotional support" trick and had a doctor write her a letter. Caesars hosts said there was nothing they could do about it. Shortly thereafter they cancelled the free brunches. Not sure if she was part of the reason, or maybe it was all the people stuffing food in their bags like they were poor and needy.
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November 1st, 2013 at 6:55:40 PM permalink
Pretty ridiculous but not unforeseen in today's litigation-heavy culture. The definition of "service dog" is rapidly expanding to the point of being ridiculous. I'm not sure if anyone else is an Adam Carolla fan but this is one of his (least?) favorite things to rant about.
Quote: Perdition

Wow that sounds like a dream. I would be all about petting dogs there. Of course if someone has a mean dog they could get like 3 machines to themselves so who knows. At least the dogs don't have to worry about breathing all that smoke in.

They are worried about a lawsuit from people with dogs but they have to expect one sooner or later from a patron that gets bit by one of these dogs. The casino allowed the environment so they would be held responsible. Would not surprise me at all if someone even went to lengths to provoke a dog into biting them for this very reason. And what about the cat people, what will they think of this. Will there be a cat and dog section of the casino soon? Will ratholing soon involve actual rats? What kind of Pandora's box has been opened by this?

Just want to reiterate that I would pet a dog if I saw one on the casino floor.


Excellent recap. The bolded is my "quote that made me laugh recently" so it's now my sig.
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November 2nd, 2013 at 9:58:14 AM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

I just passed a row of slot machines and noticed an Asian couple with two dogs at slot machines...one is a boxer and the other a husky. Revel allows dogs 30 pounds and under to stay in certain hotel rooms but, other than a service dog, I have never seen a dog on a casino floor ANYWHERE...

I spoke with someone in the know and they informed me that people have been bringing their dogs more and more to the restaurants and casino floor...
I asked how non-service dogs can be allowed on the casino floor and restaurants without violating health codes and the like (i.e. fleas and ticks, hair etc.)...

according to my source, security was informed to allow all dogs on the floor and in restaurants and to not approach any patron with a dog as the patron may be using the dog for "emotional support" and to question why they have the dog will bring unwanted attention to them if they do indeed have an emotional problem and COULD ultimately lead to a lawsuit by the patron...

(FYI - None of the dogs were wearing muzzles and they basically walked around the area the leash extended while their owners concentrated on the slot machines)

I am a dog lover but this is going too far...

I suppose next week I shoupd bring my 150 pound mastiff, unmuzzled, on a 10 foot leash and have my own de facto reserved table...

Ace what is your legal opinion on this policy. Having an ESA (Emotional Support Animal) requires the same identification and documentation as other service dogs. That's federal law, right?
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November 2nd, 2013 at 10:08:34 AM permalink
Revel just needs warm bodies --- animal or human --- in the casino. But seriously, I don't want to have dogs or any other animals in the casinos; including the drug dealers you so frequently see in some AC casinos laundering their money.
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November 4th, 2013 at 11:56:26 AM permalink
Quote: petroglyph




Could be the couple was just planning on eating them later?


Now THAT's a hoot!
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November 4th, 2013 at 12:03:01 PM permalink
are the dogs allowed to smoke?
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November 4th, 2013 at 12:07:20 PM permalink
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November 4th, 2013 at 12:14:43 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

Ace what is your legal opinion on this policy. Having an ESA (Emotional Support Animal) requires the same identification and documentation as other service dogs. That's federal law, right?




Emotional service dogs are not covered under the ADA - only psychiatric assistance dogs (and miniature horses).

When it is not obvious what service an animal (dog or mini-horse)provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task.

Basically - this was as it was told to me by the insider I questioned at Revel. So basically, even though ADA does not cover emotional support animals, good luck trying to find a practical differentiation when you are in a casino worried about lawsuits and their bottom-line
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November 4th, 2013 at 12:19:18 PM permalink
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I wonder if I can play in the card room with a parrot on my shoulder?



Only if you wear an eye patch, have one wooden leg and a hook in the place of one of your hands.

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November 4th, 2013 at 12:31:42 PM permalink
WHAT'S NEXT?!


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November 4th, 2013 at 12:47:15 PM permalink
Is that Trump AC?
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November 4th, 2013 at 12:53:27 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades



Basically - this was as it was told to me by the insider I questioned at Revel. So basically, even though ADA does not cover emotional support animals, good luck trying to find a practical differentiation when you are in a casino worried about lawsuits and their bottom-line



All true. You can get a vest for the dog online
and get fake ID too and a hotel must allow
the dog to stay with you, no questions asked.
It's illegal for them to ask what your problem
is, or even for a letter from your doctor. Lots
of people are abusing this, you can even fly
with very little hassle.
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November 4th, 2013 at 1:58:30 PM permalink
When pigs fly
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November 4th, 2013 at 4:41:31 PM permalink
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November 7th, 2013 at 12:24:41 PM permalink
Things have definitely got out of hand. It used to be the only dog permitted in most places is a seeing eye dog. These dogs are extremely well trained. They are docile and don't move until they hear a command from the owner. Many people are using the emotional support gimmick to take their dogs everywhere. 10 to 20 years ago how many dogs did you see in public places other than seeing eye dogs.
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November 7th, 2013 at 12:27:30 PM permalink
Some of these idiots treat their dogs better than their kids and that's just sad.
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November 7th, 2013 at 1:20:57 PM permalink
Smartest dog I ever saw was a guide dog for a blind girl. She worked for AT&T. Every morning after getting off the bus, the dog would lead her up to the front door. And a step or two past it until she told him NO! Then he would faithfully lead her into work.

I always thought that dog was smarter than me.
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November 7th, 2013 at 3:15:15 PM permalink
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I always thought that dog was smarter than me.



I'm sure the dog felt the same way..
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November 7th, 2013 at 3:27:22 PM permalink
Many military vets are getting trained service dogs. They
are a life saver for people with PTSD, they do such a good
job that the vet often stops taking meds entirely. These
dogs go everywhere with them, and it's not any hotels
business what the dog is for. I'm 100% in favor of helper
dogs, I wouldn't be happy without a dog at my feet.

http://www.angelcaninesforwoundedwarriors.org/
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November 7th, 2013 at 4:10:46 PM permalink
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Smartest dog I ever saw was a guide dog for a blind girl. She worked for AT&T. Every morning after getting off the bus, the dog would lead her up to the front door. And a step or two past it until she told him NO! Then he would faithfully lead her into work.

I always thought that dog was smarter than me.






Was it named Talmadge?
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November 7th, 2013 at 5:38:31 PM permalink
Most places put up signs that say Service Dogs Only and then make no challenges so as to avoid ADA violations.

Many lawyers and handicapped people make a good living with frivolous lawsuits and threats of litigation.
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November 7th, 2013 at 5:47:21 PM permalink
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Many lawyers and handicapped people make a good living with frivolous lawsuits and threats of litigation.






Remember this guy
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November 7th, 2013 at 6:11:28 PM permalink
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Was it named Talmadge?



As In Norma Talmadge, who was in 250 films. But had a sad childhood.

Her dad abandoned her mother and 2 siblings on Christmas day, She died of a stroke at 62 on Christmas Eve.

W C Fields died on Christmas day. He turned down the role of the Wiz in The Wizard Of Oz. Damn, I wish he had not !
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November 7th, 2013 at 6:27:16 PM permalink
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As In Norma Talmadge, who was in 250 films. But had a sad childhood.

Her dad abandoned her mother and 2 siblings on Christmas day, She died of a stroke at 62 on Christmas Eve.

W C Fields died on Christmas day. He turned down the role of the Wiz in The Wizard Of Oz. Damn, I wish he had not !





The Talmadge reference
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November 7th, 2013 at 6:33:13 PM permalink
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Remember this guy



But you chose not to take ambulance chasing 101
in college, you took 'Beautiful Women Who Get
Divorced Are People Too', instead. Any regrets?
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November 7th, 2013 at 6:43:04 PM permalink
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The Talmadge reference




I knew that. But Norma was a sweetheart. And WC one of my heroes. Could not pass up the chance.
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November 7th, 2013 at 7:01:19 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: aceofspades

Remember this guy



But you chose not to take ambulance chasing 101
in college, you took 'Beautiful Women Who Get
Divorced Are People Too', instead. Any regrets?





I am too slow to chase ambulances
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November 7th, 2013 at 7:14:38 PM permalink
That's what law clerks are for.
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November 7th, 2013 at 7:15:03 PM permalink
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I am too slow to chase ambulances



But not too slow to chase divorcee's, I get it..
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November 7th, 2013 at 7:17:38 PM permalink
Ace chases divorcee's until they catch him.
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November 8th, 2013 at 12:36:52 AM permalink
Wonder where this guy would fit in on the floor

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November 18th, 2013 at 2:14:56 PM permalink
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