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October 2nd, 2013 at 3:23:37 PM permalink
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Hello, TTB, how are you?

Relax, my friend...don't let those two foolers get to you, for they are fooling nobody with their antics.

And you know what the "kicker" is, treetopbuddy? I'll probably get nailed by my favorite admin with a suspension before they ever will. Ain't that a kick, TTB?

Stay well, my friend,



Yeah, you'll get booted.....but as soon as declare you can't win.....you will come into favor with the rocket scientists that lord over the forum. EvenBob will bless you and maybe ************.as long as he's not preoccupied with the price of the yellow metal.
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October 2nd, 2013 at 3:24:51 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

But I also happen to believe that it [the house edge] is, with the proper manipulation of both bet selection and bet size, surmountable.


Your belief in the Gambler's Fallacy is demonstrably incorrect, and on this forum you should expect to be reminded of that fact with regularity -- especially whenever you loudly proclaim that you have an infallible player-favorable baccarat system. Because you don't.
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October 2nd, 2013 at 3:25:57 PM permalink
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Quote: gr8player

But I also happen to believe that it [the house edge] is, with the proper manipulation of both bet selection and bet size, surmountable.


Your belief in the Gambler's Fallacy is demonstrably incorrect, and on this forum you should expect to be reminded of that fact with regularity -- especially whenever you loudly proclaim that you have an infallible player-favorable baccarat system. Because you don't.



Hey math guy.....go pound sand
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October 2nd, 2013 at 3:26:51 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

EvenBob, if you don't mind, please refrain from any attempts at speaking for me, as I much prefer my truth over your triviality. Your purpose in this forum is well-documented, mostly by your very own hand; you've made your bed, now you must lie in it.

Zcore13, hello, my friend. I hadn't seen a post from you for quite a while, I trust all is well with you.

While I must defer and answer with a "no" as to "knowing exactly when I'm at an advantage", I have a very good idea of same. You see, I could never be certain, for this game has no room for any certainty on the player's part.

But, that said, I do have certain statistics that would point out certain "maneuvers" (both bet selection- and size-wise) as both viable and potentially profitable plays. And I play for them consistently. I never waver as I play to my statistics.

I've been wrong and I've been right. I take my lumps in the former and revel in the latter, and, either way, I adjust it all over again. I am forever making adjustments based upon certain statistics of mine.

And, can you see, Zcore13, I'm attempting to stay but a few steps ahead. I'm not looking to hit the lottery with my play. But I insist on success, or I will put my pen down for good. There is no middle ground....every year I get my results from each casino that I play in, and that number had better be positive. I've better things to do with my time than drive 6 hr round trips in a day and a half after working my full-time job....if it all didn't pay I wouldn't play. Simple as that.

Gr8player, What area do you play in?

Do you understand why so many people are in your face? You are making claims of this mystical winning method but, you don't even know when or if you have an advantage, you only think your winning by using guess work (feelings) to decide when and how much to bet. Then at the end of the year you depend on the accuracy of the casinos tracking system do determine if your a winner or not. It is well known that the casinos tracking systems are far from accurate. Often times you can be losing money and the casinos have you as winning or vice versa.

Why would anyone have a full time job if they were as skilled as you claim?

You really don't see how ridiculous this claim sounds?

You think its just math some of these guys are doing on paper? Trust me there are some AP's out there that have spent their entire life beating casinos with PROVEN methods. They don't just do math on paper. Theses guys can practically turn led into gold they figured out any and all possible angles,things you could not even imagine being possible. If there was some way they could beat baccarat they would have figured it out years ago made millions and written about it.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 2nd, 2013 at 3:40:35 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Gr8player, What area do you play in?

Do you understand why so many people are in your face? You are making claims of this mystical winning method but, you don't even know when or if you have an advantage, you only think your winning by using guess work (feelings) to decide when and how much to bet. Then at the end of the year you depend on the accuracy of the casinos tracking system do determine if your a winner or not. It is well known that the casinos tracking systems are far from accurate. Often times you can be losing money and the casinos have you as winning or vice versa.

Why would anyone have a full time job if they were as skilled as you claim?

You really don't see how ridiculous this claim sounds?

You think its just math some of these guys are doing on paper? Trust me there are some AP's out there that have spent their entire life beating casinos with PROVEN methods. They don't just do math on paper. Theses guys can practically turn led into gold they figured out any and all possible angles,things you could not even imagine being possible. If there was some way they could beat baccarat they would have figured it out years ago made millions and written about it.



Brillant, Axel....whatever.....a five dollar bettor is not entitled to an opinion.......head over to the Casino reviews section and tells us what you think of Circus Circus.
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October 2nd, 2013 at 3:46:34 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

Hey, Pabo.....I bet your a 5 dollar bettor....if you actually bet.



Nope, but I would be if any of the casinos in the area offered $5 miminums. My games of choice are blackjack, video poker and baccarat. Maryland Live! is most convenient to where I live, but I occassionally visit Dover Downs. If you get to DD early enough, they'll have a few $5 bj tables open for a short while. I used to drive up to Harrah's Philadelphia where they would often open tables with $5 minimums until the crowd starts filtering in. I don't visit Philly casinos much anymore, though, due to the distance (3 1/2 hour drive plus tolls) and the lame comps at Harrah's, Sugarhouse and Parx. Not worth the trip.

Yeah, I'm a low roller TTB. I'm retired and lving on a fixed income, which is very limiting. Anyway, gambling is not what I live for. I do it mostly for the challenge (counting cards at bj, trying to play perfect strategy at video poker). As for baccarat, that's a break from bj and vp. I like to try a few hands. It's an exciting game. Like varmenti and gr8player, I fiddle with bet manipulation and trying to bet into streaks. Unlike varmenti and gr8player, however, I recognize that no betting progression, money mangement or strategy/system will win long term. Baccarat is a guessing game, no more, no less. That said, I'm ahead ever so slightly at baccarat--maybe $200 over five years. Up a little bit at vp, too. In fact, I've been somewhat lucky, having hit five royal flushes in the past four years.

Haven't been successful at all with blackjack, however. Even with counting cards. I like Arnold Snyder's Red Seven Count, which is easy to learn and apply. I used Hi Opt 1 count when I first tried card counting, but I found converting running count to true count to be too difficult in a casino environment. Found myself making too many mistakes. Red Seven Count isn't perfect, but it's easy to learn and apply and improves basic strategy.

So, you're a High Roller, then?
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October 2nd, 2013 at 3:47:35 PM permalink
of course your a low roller....
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October 2nd, 2013 at 3:51:49 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

of course your a low roller....



The correct word is "you're" not "your."
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October 2nd, 2013 at 4:03:24 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

of course your a low roller....



TreeTopBuddy is banned for Trolling, thirty days.
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October 2nd, 2013 at 4:03:34 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Quote: gr8player

But I also happen to believe that it [the house edge] is, with the proper manipulation of both bet selection and bet size, surmountable.


Your belief in the Gambler's Fallacy is demonstrably incorrect, and on this forum you should expect to be reminded of that fact with regularity -- especially whenever you loudly proclaim that you have an infallible player-favorable baccarat system. Because you don't.



Hello, MathExtremist.

I'm afraid that there's nothing "infallible" about my Baccarat play, as much as I'd wish it so. I put my money onto the felt just like everyone else, hoping it comes back a winner.

And I play with a plan. What is it that is so difficult to fathom, my friend? I play with a plan. I play the same way each and every time, and I adjust my bet placements and sizes according to statistics that I keep track of.

There's my whole Baccarat play, right there in a nutshell. What is so difficult to fathom about that? I know a half dozen fellas in AC doing the same thing...not necessarily the same way, but the gist of it has many similarities.

I'm not a rocket scientist, just a patient and disciplined and consistent Baccarat player. A player with a plan. A darn good plan.
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October 2nd, 2013 at 4:07:05 PM permalink
But you once told me that no-one could simulate your plan, as it was too variable. Either it's programmable and repeatable, or it's not.

Having a plan doesn't mean you can beat the table. What's so difficult is that you continually make the Gambler's fallacy, but deny it, and seem to think if you have a plan and will it hard enough, you beat the table. But can't quantify or point to any point you have an edge.

It's like someone trying to describe to me the taste of cheese, but using words in the wrong order and really meaning chalk.

So be it.
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October 2nd, 2013 at 4:09:13 PM permalink
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October 2nd, 2013 at 4:09:17 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

I play with a plan. What is it that is so difficult to fathom, my friend? I play with a plan. I play the same way each and every time, and I adjust my bet placements and sizes according to statistics that I keep track of.
There's my whole Baccarat play, right there in a nutshell. What is so difficult to fathom about that?


Nothing at all. What's so difficult to fathom is how you can believe your play magically gives you the edge over the game.
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October 2nd, 2013 at 5:25:33 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

I know a half dozen fellas in AC doing the same thing...not necessarily the same way, but the gist of it has many similarities.



So you know all these bac super players in AC who don't
have an edge, but they have 'plans' than consistently beat
bac and make them lots of money.

We can tell you till time ends that you can't beat a game with
a house edge unless you have a bigger edge, and you'll never
get it, will you.
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October 2nd, 2013 at 8:41:09 PM permalink
Quote: gr8player

I put my money onto the felt just like everyone else, hoping it comes back a winner.


Please don't lose another $250K, teacher!
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October 3rd, 2013 at 3:36:04 AM permalink
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TreeTopBuddy is banned for Trolling, thirty days.


It's about time. At first the "raped" rant was amusing but his venting and unbridled anger and bullying quickly became insufferable!
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October 3rd, 2013 at 6:01:01 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So you know all these bac super players in AC who don't
have an edge, but they have 'plans' than consistently beat
bac and make them lots of money.

We can tell you till time ends that you can't beat a game with
a house edge unless you have a bigger edge, and you'll never
get it, will you.



Many New Games of Chance are introduced to the Casino's year after year. Why do people even waste their time thinking the can reverse the casino edge.

Many will continue to gamble using LUCK, Intuition, and others will use Skill and then there are the Professionals who use simple money management techniques to allow for long term income from the casino's
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October 3rd, 2013 at 6:04:08 AM permalink
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..and then there are the Professionals who use simple money management techniques to allow for long term income from the casino's


LOL!
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October 3rd, 2013 at 6:08:19 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Quote: varmenti

..and then there are the Professionals who use simple money management techniques to allow for long term income from the casino's


LOL!



Knowledge of the Game + Money Management Techniques + Positive Attitude + Limit Your Losses + Positive Progression + Short Term Goals = $$$$$$$
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October 3rd, 2013 at 6:32:09 AM permalink
Quote: varmenti



Knowledge of the Game + Money Management Techniques + Positive Attitude + Limit Your Losses + Positive Progression + Short Term Goals + An Edge= $$$$$$$



You missed the important one.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 7:19:19 AM permalink
I'm thinking you both might've missed an important one:

Bet Selection

When all is said and done, it's all gonna boil down to having your money in the correct circle on the felt, is it not?

Sure, each bet remains the same 50/50 prop (house edge notwithstanding), but we still have to win as many bets as we possibly can. And we most especially need to win those bets that are sized a bit higher, for our various personal reasons (mine is two-fold: progression and variance).

Now, we can't simply rely on crossing our fingers, can we? Of course not.

So we need a reason to bet where we bet, and that's called Bet Selection. My bet selection process is, yet again, two-fold in nature:

1.) Proven Plays

I utilize three distinct plays that will see me "catch a wave" (for lack of a better term) at the onset of that wave. So, in reality, those plays can cost me a unit when I'm wrong and pick up any number of units (how big is that "wave"?) when I'm correct. I built that bet selection process that way, and it works as intended. Oh, wait, I should add: "when" it works. It only works when it works. It fails me more often than not. BUUUUTTT, how many times need I repeat it: That doesn't matter. Because I'll track their variances and back those same lagging plays with an inflated unit size in order to vacilitate both recoup and profit.

2.) Trending Plays

Look, I am an experienced Bac player who "knows his way around a shoe". Both typical and atypical. I can recognize when a bet appears as advantageous in this particular shoe (or portion thereof) as well as recognize when it's best to "no-bet". Either way, taking advantage of certain "propensities", for as long as they last, can prove rather profitable for, yet again, as minimal risk as possible.

And, frankly, isn't that what it's all about? Minimizing risk.

Ask yourself: How many bets can you possibly win while you're on the way to the parking valet after losing your session bankroll? Not too many, huh...

So bankroll preservation is paramount, and that's best accomplished by minimizing one's risk.

Learn to "no-bet" when your plays are "sleeping". (C'mon, any serious Bac player knows when their plays simply aren't materializing for them.)

And have a plan for most efficient recoup and profitability when they do "come around". (C'mon, any serious Bac player knows that their preferred plays will, in fact, "come around"....either that, or your "preferred plays" ain't so "preferred", are they?)

So, when all is said and done, our bet selection process and play had best be tried and true.

I wish you all the very best in your play.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 7:39:45 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player


1.) Proven Plays

I utilize three distinct plays that will see me "catch a wave" (for lack of a better term) at the onset of that wave. So, in reality, those plays can cost me a unit when I'm wrong and pick up any number of units (how big is that "wave"?) when I'm correct.



Let's say you have played more than half a shoe and you have clearly identified the onset of a "wave". You are about to place a large bet , but the dealer suddenly picks up all un-delt cards (not touching the discards) and reshuffles them. Is the "wave" still intact or has it been disturbed?
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October 3rd, 2013 at 7:49:24 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

I'm thinking you both might've missed an important one:

Bet Selection

1.) Proven Plays

2.) Trending Plays


Teacher, let me make sure I have everything correct here. Is this equation right????

Bet Selection + Proven Plays + Trending Plays = -$250K
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October 3rd, 2013 at 8:15:30 AM permalink
Quote: JimRockford

Let's say you have played more than half a shoe and you have clearly identified the onset of a "wave". You are about to place a large bet , but the dealer suddenly picks up all un-delt cards (not touching the discards) and reshuffles them. Is the "wave" still intact or has it been disturbed?



Hello, JimRockford.

While I couldn't even imagine a scenario such as the one you're presenting within your question, I would immediately leave the table in such occurrence.

You see, my friend, I choose to play Baccarat because it is a closed-end shoe game, where the cards are inserted into the shoe and are played out mechanically. Even when there is a dealer change, no card is "burned", so the cards remain intact and in order. And I wouldn't have it any other way. Because I am of the belief....strike that, in KNOW FOR A FACT...that each and every shoe will have certain "propensities", some more than others, some "better lasting" than others, that I can take advantage of. Sometimes, the lack of any such propensities will see me "no-betting" quite often, and sometimes the shoe is just talking to me loud and clear. I, obviously, prefer the latter. But I've learned how to accept both.

Stay well, my friend.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 8:53:34 AM permalink
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October 3rd, 2013 at 8:54:51 AM permalink
gr8player, you are nothing more than a condescending, bloviating gasbag pretending to have some sort of mystical powers to read/talk to baccarat shoes. It's comical to read your pretentious assertions and claims that you're a master baccarat player and have found the holy grail to winning. You are willing to share your knowledge, yet you speak in circles and seem unable to write succintcly or clearly and state exactly what you mean. Just because you put quotation marks around certain words to give them some sort of importance or signficance means nothing. Stop with the psuedo intellectual double talk, man, and communicate like a normal human being. You're an insufferable blowhard.

Cutting through all of your crap, your playing style--just like varmenti's--consists of nothing more than trying to guess Banker or Player. Use whatever statistics you want to track to try and determine which hand you think might win on the next round. We all do that, mostly using the little score sheet that the casino is all too happy to pass out to players because they (the casinos) know that it isn't going to give any more advantage to players than a lucky rabbit's foot. You haven't come up with anything new, although you pretend that you have. Your simply hoping to guess correctly, bet into a trend and use a betting progression. That's not new.

You're like all the other snake oil salesmen who have passed through this world pretending to have that one elixer guaranteed to cure all ills, from cancer to hair loss. In this case, the ill is how to win at baccarat. Stop with your pretentious BS.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 9:42:18 AM permalink
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gr8player, you are nothing more than a condescending, bloviating gasbag.


Quote: Pabo

You're like all the other snake oil salesmen who have passed through this world pretending to have that one elixer guaranteed to cure all ills, from cancer to hair loss. In this case, the ill is how to win at baccarat. Stop with your pretentious BS.


But we don't all come with such intentional personally insulting baggage.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 9:54:35 AM permalink
Quote: Pabo

Use whatever statistics you want to track to try and determine which hand you think might win on the next round. We all do that,...

Quote:



Hmmm, given the obvious frustration that permeates your entire post, some apparently do it more successfully than others. I'd ask myself the why and the how that might be.

Quote: Pabo

You haven't come up with anything new, although you pretend that you have. Your simply hoping to guess correctly, bet into a trend and use a betting progression. That's not new.

Quote:



I claim no patent on any Baccarat play, my friend. I'm not sure I like the use of the word "guess", however. A guess can be classified as a hunch, and I don't bet on hunches. I bet on me. My experiences, my game. It might not be new, Pabo, but it's all mine.

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You're like all the other snake oil salesmen who have passed through this world....

Quote:



I must take umbrage with that remark, Pabo. I am selling nothing...never have, never will. I relate my Baccarat experiences. Free of any charge. Snake oil salesman were nothing more than scammers out for the almighty dollar in any way they could procure it. I see no sensible reason for your nonsensical assimilation.

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October 3rd, 2013 at 10:01:13 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

(C'mon, any serious Bac player knows when their plays simply aren't materializing for them.)

And have a plan for most efficient recoup and profitability when they do "come around".



I think you meant "Any serious Bac player knows when their plays simply DIDN'T materialize for them."
If they knew when they WEREN'T GOING to materialize for them, they would have simply bet the opposite way.

I try not to take the bait.... but can't resist....
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October 3rd, 2013 at 10:07:40 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Hello, JimRockford.

While I couldn't even imagine a scenario such as the one you're presenting within your question, I would immediately leave the table in such occurrence.

You see, my friend, I choose to play Baccarat because it is a closed-end shoe game, where the cards are inserted into the shoe and are played out mechanically. Even when there is a dealer change, no card is "burned", so the cards remain intact and in order. And I wouldn't have it any other way. Because I am of the belief....strike that, in KNOW FOR A FACT...that each and every shoe will have certain "propensities", some more than others, some "better lasting" than others, that I can take advantage of. Sometimes, the lack of any such propensities will see me "no-betting" quite often, and sometimes the shoe is just talking to me loud and clear. I, obviously, prefer the latter. But I've learned how to accept both.

Stay well, my friend.



In my hypothetical example, at the moment that you decided to place a bet you could know something of the composition of the remaining cards because it is a direct result of the cards already seen, but the order of the remaining cards is completely unknown. There is nothing sacred about the original order. The new order of the deck is just as probable as the original order. Your answer shows that in spite of historical records, hours played and disciplined adherence, your method is based on superstition.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 10:08:58 AM permalink
Hello, SOOPOO. Oh, and one more word: semantics. Just semantics.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 10:11:19 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

Hello, SOOPOO. Oh, and one more word: semantics. Just semantics.


Hello, teacher. Oh, and one number: $250,000. Just $250,000.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 10:48:59 AM permalink
gr8player:

1. We don't know each other well enough for you to call me your friend. So please don't use that platitude with me.

2. There's no frustration in my comments. Simply describing what I see and what I know. And I know that you are a charlatan and a complete fraud posing as a sage. As I said earlier, you are unable to explain your style of play in a coherent and understandable form. "I bet on me. My experiences, my game. It might not be new, Pabo, but it's all mine." Get real. Another example of your aimless and boasting gibberish. A bunch of words that mean absolutely nothing.

3. Yes, you are selling something. Not charging money for it, per se, but you are hoping folks on this forum buy into (i.e. believe) it. Unlike other forums you have been on, however, the folks here are not gullible. You and varmenti are both unable to back up your claims with proof. Neither of you are willing to articulate your style of play, let alone replicate it so that it can be tested via simulation. Until you can do that, then you've got nothing. You only speak of it in pretentious globs of words that mean little or nothing. All the while trying to disguise your BS as enlightenment and wisdom. Much like David Koresh and Jim Jones. Trouble is, gr8player, no one here is going to drink your koolaid.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 10:56:16 AM permalink
Quote: JimRockford

There is nothing sacred about the original order. The new order of the deck is just as probable as the original order. Your answer shows that in spite of historical records, hours played and disciplined adherence, your method is based on superstition.



You know, JimRockford, for centuries many truths have been sloughed off as mere superstition. Although, if it makes you feel any better about your position regarding my Bac play, I am, admittedly, a bit superstitious at times. I think most gamblers are, in some way, shape, or form.

But neither my plays nor my actual bets are ever made out of superstition. They are made based upon what I am currently seeing and/or currently calculating.

Then I cross my fingers and clutch my rabbit's foot and....
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October 3rd, 2013 at 11:02:12 AM permalink
Quote: Pabo

gr8player, you are nothing more than a condescending, bloviating gasbag pretending to have some sort of mystical powers to read/talk to baccarat shoes.



+3
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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October 3rd, 2013 at 11:07:35 AM permalink
Quote: Pabo

Trouble is, gr8player, no one here is going to drink your koolaid.



Now that is troubling.

As I've stated before, my Bac experiences, theories, and plays, those I post free of charge.

My koolaid, however, is $1.50 a cup.

Seriously, Pabo, I'm not sure who might've pissed into your Wheaties this morning, but you're coming off as rather gruff. And I, for one, don't like your tone. I wish you a much better day.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 11:28:23 AM permalink
Quote: Pabo



2. Simply describing what I see and what I know. And I know that you are a charlatan and a complete fraud posing as a sage.



Won't do you any good, pabo. People have been telling
him this for years. He loves the abuse, that's why he's
here. He gets tingly all over when you call him names.
The first day he showed up here, I told the mods that
a mega troll just joined the forum. He has
to break the rules to get banned, and GR8 is working on
it. He's close to getting nuked, just be patient.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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October 3rd, 2013 at 11:44:48 AM permalink
Quote: gr8player

But neither my plays nor my actual bets are ever made out of superstition. They are made based upon what I am currently seeing and/or currently calculating.



Faces in the clouds my friend, but I'll not try to talk you out of it. Good luck to you.

Side note: As much as I disagree with gr8, I really don't understand the baiting and antagonizing.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 11:49:15 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Teacher, let me make sure I have everything correct here. Is this equation right????

Bet Selection + Proven Plays + Trending Plays = -$250K


Beethoven, your equation does not compute. You should seek further guidance from your teacher.
I see two areas of interest in your equation which should be addressed.

1. The bet selection is determined by proven plays and trending plays; therefore,
Bet Selection = Proven Plays + Trending Plays = -$250K; therefore, we may now simplify the equation to:
Bet Selection = -$250K

2. We have another issue which needs to be addressed.
The sum of two positives cannot equal a negative.
If the known sum is -$250K, I suggest further consultation with your teacher, as your teacher insists that the bet selection (proven plays + trending plays) is positive.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 11:51:26 AM permalink
Holy Crap!!! this thread is Better than "Young and the Restless"

where is the Logic in Bashing each other on here.

Something good comes along and "all hell breaks loose".
Instead of absorbing the information on here I seam to notice many members just "beat it for what it's worth"

Whatever happened to simple posts like "Hey Gr8Player, It's great to have you back from suspension. then ask your question?
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October 3rd, 2013 at 11:53:46 AM permalink
Bob, you're absolutely right, so I'm not going to waste any more time with this. I do think, though, that gr8player's longing for attention and approval drive him to seek recognition in an outlandish manner. Trying to be remembered. A wannabe who'll never be, except in his own mind. That would be good enough for most people. Not him, though. As Mr. T would say: "I pity the fool."
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October 3rd, 2013 at 11:58:02 AM permalink
Quote: Pabo

Bob, you're absolutely right, so I'm not going to waste any more time with this. I do think, though, that gr8player's longing for attention and approval drive him to seek recognition in an outlandish manner. Trying to be remembered. A wannabe who'll never be, except in his own mind. That would be good enough for most people. Not him, though. As Mr. T would say: "I pity the fool."


When you argue with a deluded (fool), we all know whom is the (unhappily ordinary) fool.
I can't believe what I believe.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 12:06:08 PM permalink
Quote: varmenti

Holy Crap!!! this thread is Better than "Young and the Restless"


You rock, man!
I can't believe what I believe.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 12:34:38 PM permalink
Gr8player I asked this before but, I may have missed your response. What area do you play in. Someone said AC is true?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 3rd, 2013 at 12:37:40 PM permalink
Quote: rob45

The sum of two positives cannot equal a negative.


Hmm...that is a very good point. I will have to consult with my teacher gr8player, for he is the world's foremost expert in everything baccarat. (Don't believe me? Just ask him!)

I take it that the esteemed gr8player may indeed be a magician since he can make the sum of two positive numbers equal a negative number (i.e., a $250,000 loss)!
Fighting BS one post at a time!
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October 3rd, 2013 at 3:28:54 PM permalink
Quote: JimRockford

Faces in the clouds my friend, but I'll not try to talk you out of it. Good luck to you.

Side note: As much as I disagree with gr8, I really don't understand the baiting and antagonizing.



JimRockford: I understand your concern. I said in another, earlier thread that I don't have anything against either gr8player or varmenti as individuals. They both appear to be nice guys. It's their systems and their inability/reluctance/refusal to explain and prove how those systems work that I am challenging.

gr8player refuses to speak clearly or articulately to explain his system and method of play. He simply reverts to speaking gobbledygook and circular doublespeak to try and portray himself as the Wizard of Baccarat. He claims great success, but is unable to explain how he achieves it or to provide evidence. He can't use math to explain it. He only uses pretention to try and convince people. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Who knows, maybe he does have the answer. But for me to believe him, he has to be able to drop the BS and spell out in plain English what he does. When you look behind the curtain, you see a plain, simple man, not a wizard, who relies on supercilious phrases to try and make his point.

As for varmenti. I agree that he is a very nice guy. He also truly believes in his style of play. Yet, he, too, is unable to clearly articulate his method/system and back it up with math to explain how it works. He further weakens his cause by claiming to be a professional gambler with 25 years experience, yet he spits out such bon mots as these:

- In blackjack, you should take the safe way out and insure your 18 against a dealer Ace. Absurd. Not advice that a true professional would give.

- Casinos have central servers to control the payout from slot machines. Equally absurd. I would like varmenti to identify those casinos that do that (maybe there are some in Canada, I dunno since I've never gambled there) and explain how he knows that. He can't. Again, this is not something that a true professional gambler would ever claim. A neophyte or noob, yes.

- Big Wheel and Rouletter are skill games because the dealers can influence them to land on the desired number. Again, no true professional would say something so absurd.

All I would like, because I do enjoy baccart, is for either of these gentlemen to spell out simply and coherently how their system works and why. They can't. My guess--when you sort through all the crap--is that they try to bet into streaks using betting progressions. Varmenti trys to hedge his bets by playing both Banker and Player. Oh, and guessing appears to be key element in both their systems, although they refuse to admit that. Regardless, none of it is going to overcome the house edge. Never has, never will.

I would love to find a way to beat baccarat. These two gentlemen claim to have the answer and I would like to learn their secret, yet they won't--or can't--explain themselves. They can only claim that whatever they're doing works. Just trust them. I'd like to, but I need proof.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 3:55:15 PM permalink
Quote: Pabo

gr8player refuses to speak clearly or articulately to explain his system and method of play. He simply reverts to speaking gobbledygook and circular doublespeak to try and portray himself as the Wizard of Baccarat. He claims great success, but is unable to explain how he achieves it or to provide evidence.

+1

In fact, that is exactly why he's prohibited from starting any new threads on baccarat. He talks...and talks...and talks.....yet he refuses to go into any detail about his "winning" system. (His last suspension occurred after he started another redundant thread about bac after being explicitly told by a moderator not to do so.)

Also, gr8player had issued a challenge (in regards to proving his system), yet he backed out of that, too! And he never mentions that he's in the hole $250,000!!! lol
Fighting BS one post at a time!
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October 3rd, 2013 at 4:04:14 PM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

+1

In fact, that is exactly why he's prohibited from starting any new threads on baccarat. He talks...and talks...and talks.....yet he refuses to go into any detail about his "winning" system. (His last suspension occurred after he started another redundant thread about bac after being explicitly told by a moderator not to do so.)

Also, gr8player had issued a challenge (in regards to proving his system), yet he backed out of that, too! And he never mentions that he's in the hole $250,000!!! lol



Yeah, Beethoven9th, I've noticed he steadfastly ignores the challenge. He just keeps playing that same, 'ol tired tune over and over and over. Sigh.
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October 3rd, 2013 at 4:29:55 PM permalink
Quote: Pabo



- Casinos have central servers to control the payout from slot machines. Equally absurd. I would like varmenti to identify those casinos that do that .

He probably Can't but AxelGR8lWolf can Cosmopolitan, Aria, Revel
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 3rd, 2013 at 4:33:59 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Cosmopolitan, Aria, Revel



Seriously? Is that public knowledge? How do you know this? Is this grapevine info? Do these casinos publicly acknowledge it?

Revel is in AC. Where are Cosmopolitan and Aria? I only know AC, Philadelphia area, Delaware and Maryland.

Thanks.
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