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September 17th, 2013 at 5:40:20 AM permalink
BBC reporter Louis Theroux

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pSOXyshl5y8


Definitely shows that some people can go too far
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September 17th, 2013 at 6:16:49 AM permalink
I remember that a bunch of casino-hosts wrote to their high rollers and said 'you wanna be on film'?

I don't know how representiative the Canadian Mattress King is ... he sells mattresses and he has alot of money and enjoys being treated the way casinos treat high rollers.

Excessive? I don't know.

Rich people do things like that.
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September 17th, 2013 at 6:49:15 AM permalink
I've watched this countless of times - I love it. Dr. Ogman is great - losing $4million and not a care in the world (even her son says "no big deal" - although, I think off-camera he would secretly like to have her committed to save his inheritance)
The two sales guys playing blackjack all night does show someone going on full tilt.
Is it me or are the mattress king and the high roller at the end the same guys (except with a hairpiece LOL)
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September 17th, 2013 at 6:59:23 AM permalink
Thanks for the link. I'm watching primarily for strategy advice.

ROULETTE: As demonstrated by the mattress guy, the object is to cover as many of the numbers as possible. The reason ordinary players don't win is because they don't have the bankroll for it.
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September 17th, 2013 at 7:25:50 AM permalink
The BJ guy chasing his losses all over Vegas with no sleep is classic.
After he tells us how easy it is to win.
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September 17th, 2013 at 7:36:10 AM permalink
Definitely going to watch this tonight.
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September 17th, 2013 at 8:41:08 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Definitely going to watch this tonight.



If you're like some of us, you'll watch it again and again.
There's so much here that you never see anywhere
else, the darker side of casinos, maybe.
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September 17th, 2013 at 9:26:04 AM permalink
10:00 This host of the show needs to shut his mouth! The casino lets him in, lets him film the casino, and he's basically saying, "They wouldn't be giving you these comps unless there was something in it for them." She knows that!

16:30 Second Twelve? What the Hell's the point? He has, like, fifty units inside!

21:30 Don't Double a Nine against a Deuce!!?? It's no wonder this moke is losing. Don't even say he could be counting, Mr. Ride the Winning Streak couldn't count to ten!

28:50 "It's five plus five in the morning, now." I like that, I don't know why, never heard the time expressed like that, I'm using that from now on!

29:42 Three $0.02/denom machines at once. Progressives at $3,251.76, $4,604.45 and $843.59. The hell is wrong with people? Can't she look at $843.59 compared to the others and just intuitively figure that must not be good!?

45:00- He's obsessed with Seth's f***ing inheritance, it's her money!!!

56:30- Louis: Why don't you gamble?
High Roller Host: Because I'm smart.
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September 17th, 2013 at 9:42:11 AM permalink
Louis is always a champion for the downtrodden, even downtrodden gamblers.
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September 17th, 2013 at 11:46:19 AM permalink
Slow day at work so I just watched the whole thing. The most interesting part for me was the casino host haggling with management for a 4k Neiman Marcus for his high roller and is only able to get a 3k card. Wow, guy drops over quarter mil and just gets a huge suite, drinks , ground transportation and a 3k Neiman Marcus card, casino made out like a bandit as usual.
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September 17th, 2013 at 11:58:12 AM permalink
Louis is a jinx, not that I believe in that stuff though. He's so focused on losing. It seemed like he was almost delighted to see the others lose at times.
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September 17th, 2013 at 12:27:21 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

21:30 Don't Double a Nine against a Deuce!!?? It's no wonder this moke is losing. Don't even say he could be counting, Mr. Ride the Winning Streak couldn't count to ten!



I haven't watched it. I can't tell if you are shocked that he doubled or shocked that he didn't. Doubling 9 against a dealer 2 is correct for double deck, but not for 4 or more decks.
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September 17th, 2013 at 12:38:59 PM permalink
Quote: JimRockford

I haven't watched it. I can't tell if you are shocked that he doubled or shocked that he didn't. Doubling 9 against a dealer 2 is correct for double deck, but not for 4 or more decks.



Yep, marginal play in either case. An error of less than 0.01 unit per occurrence doing the incorrect play. Ploppies make much bigger errors than that, like not doubling 9s at all.
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September 17th, 2013 at 12:40:04 PM permalink
Quote: Mooseton

Louis is a jinx, not that I believe in that stuff though. He's so focused on losing. It seemed like he was almost delighted to see the others lose at times.



He obviously disapproves of casinos and gambling. He's also
a cheapskate, that's why he's always talking about losing. Look
at how nervous he was about gambling with his own money, he's
not a risk taker.
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September 17th, 2013 at 8:24:45 PM permalink
Great post,thanks man.

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September 17th, 2013 at 9:11:13 PM permalink
I seen this a while ago. I was always wondering What would happen if that old lady smartened up and learned some AP, I can only imagine the loss rebates they would offer her at first (:
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 17th, 2013 at 10:34:12 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

28:50 "It's five plus five in the morning, now." I like that, I don't know why, never heard the time expressed like that, I'm using that from now on!


I think he's actually saying "five past five" but his British accent makes it sound more like "pause" than "pass."
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September 18th, 2013 at 3:07:51 AM permalink
Louis reminds me of the typical guy, maybe a family member, you run into who just isn't into gambling. That same attitude so similar to the T-totaller, say.

Although he probably understands that there are some gamblers who are under control, he can't find them or truly comprehend them. Like the T-totaller who hangs out in dives, all he can see are the walking disasters.
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September 18th, 2013 at 8:22:30 AM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit



Although he probably understands that there are some gamblers who are under control, he can't find them or truly comprehend them.



*That*

The presenter doesn't comrehend gambling. I call it the non-gambler's fallacy: Some non-gamblers firmly and wrongly believe that the only motivation for gambling must be "to win". They just cannot imagine any other way. But gamblers (those in control) don't gamble in order to win, they gamble in order to gamble.

He is also stumped by the gambler's non-reaction to the $5000 slot win. But from the gambler's point of view it probably wasn't a "big" score of 5k, but merely "coming back a little".
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September 18th, 2013 at 9:33:55 AM permalink
The presenter has all the power; he can edit out any players he worked with who don't fit his POV, any comments the folks he did interview made that might muddle or mitigate his message. Just because it's a documentary doesn't mean there isn't bias in what makes the final edit. Did we need to see the lonely widow's cluttered house, for example? Everyone walking down that hallway with the cameraman passed judgement on her.
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September 18th, 2013 at 11:50:43 AM permalink
Quote: Canyonero

*That*

The presenter doesn't comrehend gambling. .



Sure he does. The point of his documentary is to pass
judgement on people who gamble. To really enjoy it,
you have to watch it a few times and get beyond Louie's
preachy attitude. I didn't like it the first time I saw it
either.
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September 19th, 2013 at 2:01:06 PM permalink
I finally watched the documentary in its entirety. I'm wondering why the 2 salesmen, John & Tim, (who each had bankrolls in the thousand of dollars) were they sharing 1 hotel room? At their level of play they should have had 2 comped rooms. (On the other hand, these guys didn't spend too much time in their room.) Based upon this TV show, it's obvious the Hilton's standard rooms are pathetic. With their $5,000+ bankrolls they should be getting rooms at Venetian or Wynn.

Quote: odiousgambit

Although he probably understands that there are some gamblers who are under control, he can't find them or truly comprehend them. Like the T-totaller who hangs out in dives, all he can see are the walking disasters.



If the show had been about conservative responsible gamblers who stuck to reasonable limits it wouldn't have been a very interesting show. I typically have a bankroll under $200, and I never hit the ATM machine. I'm too boring of a gambler to bother filming.

And the fact that the documentary focused on high rollers, I didn't have much sympathy for their losses. If the show had depicted low income retirees losing their social security checks in penny slots, it would have been too depressing.
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September 19th, 2013 at 2:35:53 PM permalink
Quote: reno


If the show had been about conservative responsible gamblers who stuck to reasonable limits it wouldn't have been a very interesting show. .



Louie is very judgement oriented, that's his thing. He
was there to show how misguided gamblers are. Like
all the concern for how the son should be feeling about
mom spending the son's potential inheritance on the
slots. Louie thought she should be locked in a home,
apparently. He didn't understand the son's attitude of
its her money, oh well.
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September 19th, 2013 at 2:40:26 PM permalink
Documentary is almost all cases should be spelled DOCU-DRAMA. Especially when the participants know they are being filmed.
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September 19th, 2013 at 9:08:45 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Like all the concern for how the son should be feeling about mom spending the son's potential inheritance on the slots. Louie thought she should be locked in a home, apparently. He didn't understand the son's attitude of its her money, oh well.



I had a different interpretation of that scene. I got the sense that the son had mixed feelings. Louie asked the son if he had ever tried to intervene and talk some sense into her. Mom denied it. Then Seth explained that he had tried a couple times, but she wouldn't listen to him. Sure, the son knew that: A) it wasn't his money, and that B) gambling makes mom happy. But he had still tried to get her to stop.

If I stood a chance to inherit $4 million, but my parents had spent it on a charity feeding starving African children I'd be ok with their decision. But if their favorite charity was slots at the Las Vegas Hilton, I might have mixed feelings about it.
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September 20th, 2013 at 12:09:48 AM permalink
I saw this documentary a while back. The host was annoying in trying to explain how gambling is a lose-lose situation. It is but some people enjoy playing a negative expectation game hoping to make money. The people who are high rollers on that show should be smart enough to look up some basic strategy on BJ or VP but I guess they don't care enough. I feel a gambler betting $100 per hand for a weekend should get comped everything playing basic strategy, with a minimal house edge. Probably won't required much of a "bankroll" to do so. ATM I can only afford to double/split to a total of $100 on a positive count so what do I know :)
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September 20th, 2013 at 12:47:08 AM permalink
Casinos compete.

They compete for high rollers who like to be in documentaries (or crockumentaries if you prefer), they compete for high rollers who would tell a film crew to get lost, they compete for mid rollers and they compete for low rollers.

Remember when Circus Circus dumped their whale program and went Family-Friendly First Timers? Worlds longest buffet, 18 dollar rooms even if Circus Circus had to buy blocks of forty dollar rooms and re-rent them for 18.00 as well as run shuttles to them. People who wouldn't understand a whale in the desert at all. Brought in millions! Even the buffet was in the Black.

You can make a documentary about anything. Even how to loosen up an uptight BBC documentarian and get him to live a little and sample the fast lane for one night.

Documentary about gambling? About Whales? About Jerks? Who knows.

We all know it takes an army of employees to staff a casino. Bartenders, security guards, ... hosts and publicity basking whales. You can do a documentary on any aspect of it. I bet you could go down to Hendertucky and film one dollar craps players or Penny Slots at Emerald Isle .. and it would be a fine show. No high rollers. Just people spending their retirement checks and their student aid checks in a manner they enjoy. Whales? Minnows? Every fish in between. And every fisherman too.
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November 5th, 2013 at 11:08:33 PM permalink
Quote: reno

I finally watched the documentary in its entirety. I'm wondering why the 2 salesmen, John & Tim, (who each had bankrolls in the thousand of dollars) were they sharing 1 hotel room? At their level of play they should have had 2 comped rooms. (On the other hand, these guys didn't spend too much time in their room.) Based upon this TV show, it's obvious the Hilton's standard rooms are pathetic. With their $5,000+ bankrolls they should be getting rooms at Venetian or Wynn.


With a $5000 bankroll? A $5000 bankroll doesn't really get you that much in comps. I mean the bankroll itself doesn't get you anything, it's what you do with it, of course.

This actually sounds like a good question for the forum. Assume one has a recreational bankroll of $5000 for a trip. What's the most effective way to deploy this bankroll to maximize comps? I don't think you could get a comped room at the Venetian OR the Wynn (on a weekend) with that bankroll, unless you had a run of good luck at the beginning, allowing you to rack up a lot of theoretical.
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November 6th, 2013 at 10:11:49 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

With a $5000 bankroll? A $5000 bankroll doesn't really get you that much in comps. I mean the bankroll itself doesn't get you anything, it's what you do with it, of course.

This actually sounds like a good question for the forum. Assume one has a recreational bankroll of $5000 for a trip. What's the most effective way to deploy this bankroll to maximize comps? I don't think you could get a comped room at the Venetian OR the Wynn (on a weekend) with that bankroll, unless you had a run of good luck at the beginning, allowing you to rack up a lot of theoretical.



Honestly? I think the most "effective" way to deploy is to play 25C wheel of fortune slots or something similar (at 75C for max bet), if your goal is to build comps and offers. Just keep plugging away on those quarters for as long as they last, or even the penny slots at 30C 1x to 80C 2x a spin (playing all lines 1x or 2x so you're on the machine for hours. You need lots of hours, and the odds are terrible, so you have to try to play as long as you can. I'd rather watch paint dry than do this, but I do find streaks of a machine that will pay little wins for a long session on a single 20; that's what you're looking for, to make lots of coin-in for a minimum of 4 hours per day on a machine that will keep you playing. If you're machine-hopping while going for comps, be really careful that your player's card registers. Even better, unless the casino's too crowded to allow it, is to find two of those machines side-by-side and keep them both going with player cards in both.

Different machines may give better comps than others, so it's worth watching to see how many coins give you a point. For example, most Harrah's machines need 500 units (pennies) coin-in to give 1 reward credit, but there are a few that only need 400. Watch the electronic meter on your card reader that will tell you how many you need, because they're also different by denomination, but the difference in my example is $5.00 vs. $4.00 per credit; it's worth doing the math to figure out which machines credit the best, then hope you find one with some play.
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November 7th, 2013 at 5:14:29 AM permalink
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21:30 Don't Double a Nine against a Deuce!!?? It's no wonder this moke is losing. Don't even say he could be counting, Mr. Ride the Winning Streak couldn't count to ten!



Assuming the count is unknown, are you suggesting that it is good strategy to double down a nine against a deuce?
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November 7th, 2013 at 5:44:42 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

With a $5000 bankroll? A $5000 bankroll doesn't really get you that much in comps. I mean the bankroll itself doesn't get you anything, it's what you do with it, of course.

This actually sounds like a good question for the forum. Assume one has a recreational bankroll of $5000 for a trip. What's the most effective way to deploy this bankroll to maximize comps? I don't think you could get a comped room at the Venetian OR the Wynn (on a weekend) with that bankroll, unless you had a run of good luck at the beginning, allowing you to rack up a lot of theoretical.



Our bankroll is about half that and we get room offers from all over the country. They're weeknight offers, but they're still free, and any time I've asked for a Saturday night I've gotten it.
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November 7th, 2013 at 9:24:17 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

Our bankroll is about half that and we get room offers from all over the country. They're weeknight offers, but they're still free, and any time I've asked for a Saturday night I've gotten it.


That's reasonable, but reno mentioned "the Wynn or the Venetian." The more I think about it the more ridiculous this statement is for a $5000 bankroll. The Flamingo or the Quad, or someplace downtown, sure, but not a nice strip property.
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November 7th, 2013 at 9:50:49 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

With a $5000 bankroll? A $5000 bankroll doesn't really get you that much in comps. I mean the bankroll itself doesn't get you anything, it's what you do with it, of course.



I think it really depends on a few things. Are you trying to maximize comps on the current trip or for future trips? I believe they would require different strategies. Also, are you trying to maximize comps while minimizing loss? As Babs said playing quarter slots or penny slots would definitely maximize your future comps but you would most likely lose your whole bankroll.

If the goal is to maximize comps on the current trip while minimizing loss, I would probably just flat bet $100 at BJ using basic strategy on a slow table.
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November 7th, 2013 at 9:53:48 AM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

That's reasonable, but reno mentioned "the Wynn or the Venetian." The more I think about it the more ridiculous this statement is for a $5000 bankroll. The Flamingo or the Quad, or someplace downtown, sure, but not a nice strip property.

Bullshit
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November 7th, 2013 at 10:25:51 AM permalink
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Bullshit


Would you like to expound on that? I'm open to being wrong, as I have not put in a lot of play at either of these properties, but I have played a lot on the TR and MLife programs, and the amount of action you could generate with a $5000 bankroll would not be enough to get a weekend comped at any of their nice properties.

I know TR and MLife are notoriously stingy, but I get the impression the Wynn and Venetian both cater to medium-to-high rollers. it just seems like a $5000 bankroll wouldn't really get you on the radar.
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November 7th, 2013 at 10:31:28 AM permalink
I suppose the confusing thing is the use of the term "bankroll."

It is one thing to bring a bunch of dough to the casino; it is quite another to bet it, to put it in play.
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November 7th, 2013 at 10:44:01 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

I suppose the confusing thing is the use of the term "bankroll."

It is one thing to bring a bunch of dough to the casino; it is quite another to bet it, to put it in play.



My bankroll is rarely over 5K; I budget more like 1K to 1.5K a day losses, and play for many hours on that, mostly tables, some slots, with coin-in from 5K to 10K/day depending on variance (sometimes I even win for the day). I get constant invites for any night Caesars/Harrahs/Paris properties, similar offers from MGM/Mirage in the past, but haven't stayed with them since 2004, so they dropped off after a couple of years. Had even better comps with LV Hilton for a few years in the late 90's, early 00's on a similar bankroll.

Nobodies walking in the door can ask the Rio/Harrah's for casino rack rates and get rooms for less than 50/night intially, (flash your BR at checkin) then have them review their play at checkout and get it all written off for that trip with that bankroll, easily. Then they'll start getting good offers for future visits.

My current per quarter minimum offer with CET is 4 nights in any property 7/52/365, 300-500 in cash from the cage, 150-200 room credit, and 10000 (another 100 you can spend in restaurants/gift shops etc) reward points, just for showing up. And my host takes my comps well beyond that, has for years.
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November 7th, 2013 at 10:49:32 AM permalink
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Bullshit


Bullshit
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November 7th, 2013 at 2:09:16 PM permalink
So the documentary seems to show the really degenerate side of gambling. I tell my friends who think I have a gambling problem, "If I ever say no to sex because I'm playing blackjack, I'll call the gambling hot line."

Have you ever said or heard someone say, "One more hand, honey" when a wife says, "let's go up to our room to f***"?
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November 7th, 2013 at 2:28:57 PM permalink
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Bullshit

Bullshit. :)
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November 7th, 2013 at 2:48:06 PM permalink
Quote: teddys

Bullshit. :)



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November 7th, 2013 at 4:17:06 PM permalink
Have we ever figured out if Alan (the high roller in the beginning of the doc) and Dan the Man (at the end of the doc) are actually the same people (with Dan wearing a hairpiece and Alan not)?
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November 7th, 2013 at 5:07:17 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

My bankroll is rarely over 5K; I budget more like 1K to 1.5K a day losses, and play for many hours on that, mostly tables, some slots, with coin-in from 5K to 10K/day depending on variance (sometimes I even win for the day). I get constant invites for any night Caesars/Harrahs/Paris properties, similar offers from MGM/Mirage in the past, but haven't stayed with them since 2004, so they dropped off after a couple of years. Had even better comps with LV Hilton for a few years in the late 90's, early 00's on a similar bankroll.

Nobodies walking in the door can ask the Rio/Harrah's for casino rack rates and get rooms for less than 50/night intially, (flash your BR at checkin) then have them review their play at checkout and get it all written off for that trip with that bankroll, easily. Then they'll start getting good offers for future visits.

My current per quarter minimum offer with CET is 4 nights in any property 7/52/365, 300-500 in cash from the cage, 150-200 room credit, and 10000 (another 100 you can spend in restaurants/gift shops etc) reward points, just for showing up. And my host takes my comps well beyond that, has for years.


That seems like waaaay more comps than I get, with a similar amount of action. I do have a host at CET, I guess I should start asking for more. You get offers for completely comped rooms at Caesars Palace LV? I have never had that offer. What tier are you with Total Rewards?
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November 7th, 2013 at 6:28:28 PM permalink
Gee, a knockout who gets great comps....
All I get from a casino is encouraged to go play at a competitor's casino.
Though on my birthday I did once get a FloorMan who wished me a Happy Birthday.
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November 7th, 2013 at 9:52:05 PM permalink
Two things.

1) Having a $5k bankroll and spending it to maximize comps is also a rather subjective excercise. I mean, if you were a live poker player, would you really take half your roll and bet quarter slots at 75 cents a hit? Conversely if you are a slot player, would you risk your bankroll on middling or arbing baccarat with your significant other? (read, the hooker you picked up on the corner of Tiago and Paradise........btw, is that still a thing? :) ).
I would much rather take my wife (legit this time) and have her bet the don't, I bet the line, make a couple of ice cream bets (prop bets) inbetween, get some drinks and rack up some comp points, IF your average bet is high enough.

2) In my sheltered and very short sighted opinion you should NEVER double down on 9 against a deuce in any game. I'm not sure which way Mission leaned with his post but yeah, all basic I know, 9 is always a HIT against a dealer deuce. (No deviations or T/C was taken into account when writing this previous statement).
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November 7th, 2013 at 10:33:19 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Gee, a knockout who gets great comps....
All I get from a casino is encouraged to go play at a competitor's casino.
Though on my birthday I did once get a FloorMan who wished me a Happy Birthday.


Are you implying that attractive females get better comps? I'm not saying it isn't true in other facets of life...but I hadn't heard about this particular brand of discrimination...(no offense babs).

Quote: Tomspur

Two things.

1) Having a $5k bankroll and spending it to maximize comps is also a rather subjective excercise. I mean, if you were a live poker player, would you really take half your roll and bet quarter slots at 75 cents a hit? Conversely if you are a slot player, would you risk your bankroll on middling or arbing baccarat with your significant other? (read, the hooker you picked up on the corner of Tiago and Paradise........btw, is that still a thing? :) ).
I would much rather take my wife (legit this time) and have her bet the don't, I bet the line, make a couple of ice cream bets (prop bets) inbetween, get some drinks and rack up some comp points, IF your average bet is high enough.


This is true and my question was more of a thought exercise than anything. I don't think I could ever bring myself to play slots.

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2) In my sheltered and very short sighted opinion you should NEVER double down on 9 against a deuce in any game. I'm not sure which way Mission leaned with his post but yeah, all basic I know, 9 is always a HIT against a dealer deuce. (No deviations or T/C was taken into account when writing this previous statement).


9v2 is a double down situation in double and single deck, and with a moderately positive count in multi-deck.
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November 7th, 2013 at 11:46:38 PM permalink
9v2 is a double down situation in double and single deck, and with a moderately positive count in multi-deck.



Perhaps while counting but never just playing basic. (Again this is only my opinion and my own calculations and reading). I have memorized 3 different sets of basic strategy for DD, 6 deck and 8 deck. (Never for single deck though, I find the game in Vegas worthless because of the 6/5 shave).
All of them you stay on 9v2.

Is your summation based on counting or purely basic Aces?
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November 8th, 2013 at 12:04:20 AM permalink
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All of them you stay on 9v2.


Surely you should at least hit 9 vs 2.
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November 8th, 2013 at 12:22:51 AM permalink
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Surely you should at least hit 9 vs 2.



I absolutely meant that yes, my apologies for not being very clear.

You HIT in that situation and that is that, for me, no double :)

Apologies for the confusion.
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November 8th, 2013 at 8:22:30 AM permalink
Quote: Tomspur



Perhaps while counting but never just playing basic. (Again this is only my opinion and my own calculations and reading). I have memorized 3 different sets of basic strategy for DD, 6 deck and 8 deck. (Never for single deck though, I find the game in Vegas worthless because of the 6/5 shave).
All of them you stay on 9v2.

Is your summation based on counting or purely basic Aces?



Yes, while playing basic!!!

https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/strategy/2-decks/

It's a Hit Soft 17 Game, even though that doesn't matter. I know it's a double-deck game because both decks were fanned out at 20:30 in the video before they started playing. Basic Strategy says Double 9 against a Dealer Deuce if allowed, off-the-top Basic Strategy.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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