How Systems Sellers Cheat

During the past year I have succumbed to the advertising of a couple of Baccarat systems which stated that they beat the Zumma 600 shoes or consistently won over 1000s of casino shoes. However when I actually tried them I consistently lost. Fortunately most of my losses were on spreadsheets which I use to test the systems, although I have lost more that I would like at casinos as well.

The "Infallible" Baccarat System Version 6.0 by Izak Mataltya bets on Banker only. And he provides a test on Zumma 600 which is very profitable. However the program only calculates full units without allowing for commissions. Once the 5% commissions are figured for every Banker win, the big gains turn into big losses.

I sent proof to the author and he refunded my payment and sent me Version 7.0 for free. Again the system appeared to be very profitable on the Zumma 600 test. So I did a computer test using the Wizard of Odds 1000 shoes and the Zumma 1000 shoes. In both cases there were huge losses, not gains. Recently I downloaded and transcribed the Zumma 600 shoes directly from the author's book. I compared the actual Zumma shoes to the Infallible Version 7.0 shoes and found that they did not match. The seller had manually changed 108 outcomes to convert the huge losses to gains.

I also purchased the "Predictor System" from Lee Jones. It looked very promising as they claimed to have tested it with 3000 actual casino shoes. When I used it however, I had consistent losses. I contacted the seller who told me that I needed to play more. That I was just in a rut. But after testing the program with my own data, again I found that the author "cooked the books". He just started with thousands of shoes and cut out the ones which failed. You can make any system profitable if you get to choose the shoes to use in the analysis. I received no response when I confronted them and asked for a refund.

I also purchased a book which seemed promising, however after studying further I found that the author had only analyzed 255 shoes, which is far too few to prove anything. My larger test found that the system almost breaks even and when the author had to bet every hand, he relied on "instinct and experience". Not exactly a scientific method.

So be wary when considering the systems for sale.

Quote: BDMWA

So be wary when considering the systems for sale.

Why on earth would any of us ever consider buying a Baccarat system? Some of us might consider selling one, that can be profitable and entertaining, but why would any of us ever think of buying one?

Glad you got out cheap and thanks for informing the masses.

Just keep your posts to one thread. Spamming is frowned upon 'round these parts =)

You can't go up a hill by following a series of roads that all lead downhill.

It's a sad reflection on the level of education that people have when they fall for a so obvious scam.
Even if you don't have the necessary math know how to spot a scam, and to be fair not everybody does, a quick google would surely make it very clear to steer clear of such things.
Hopefully BDMWA has learnt a lesson and won't waste any more money, yet somehow I think he will be sending off his cash again pretty soon.

Quote: teliot

You can't go up a hill by following a series of roads that all lead downhill.

You must not have ever heard my grandpa's stories of walking to school in the 40's...

=D

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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I'll bet a lot of snow was involved.

Only Monday and Tuesday. By Thursday is was hot enough to fry an egg on the pavement.

Of course, that was the 40's, before we took action on climate change ;)

I think that the most hard to believe (but presumably true) thing I have ever read with respect to gambling is that he got a refund on the one system. I'd have laid big against a refund, if asked, and would have lost my shirt! The Kelly Criterion actually suggests that I should convert everything I own to cash and bet that, because I believed the probability of a win to be 100%!!!