86'ed/Re-invited

I'm sure this has been asked and answered so any links to this topic or radio show listening's would also be welcome.

situation: Someone gets 86'ed for AP then a month later gets an e-mail or snail mail invite or offer to come and play. Dose that override the initial 86ing ? What wording is necessary to create a re-invitation ? how vague can the offer be if it dose in fact override it? What recourse would you have if you do get arrested for trespassing after a solid re invitation?

wondering if there should be a gaming law section on this forum?

I'd be all for a gaming law section.

I have a relative who runs the security department for a national department store chain. I think their policy is similar to what would happen here. There, basically, receiving the circular doesn't constitute an invitation, but receiving an individually addressed coupon offer does. So in gaming terms: notice of a drawing is a no, freeplay offers are a yes. But, even then, you can be tresspassed from a private business at any time for any reason. So you can never count on a warm welcome if you actually try this.

I believe it all comes down to consent to be there. If you had a specific invitation to an event with your name on it, I don't think a trespass arrest would stand but there is nothing from them telling you to leave again. If you failed to leave after being asked you could be arrested for trespass and the invitation is of no further use to your cause.

Every State will have different rules. I will tell you how it is in Arizona.

When a player is banned from a Casino, they are banned from being on the property for any reason. They sign the ban paperwork acknowledging that they may not be on the property for any reason. Not to eat, not to meet someone, not for anything.

When they sign they also ackknowledge that if by chance they do sneak into the casino and win, any amount that they have in play will be taken from them and any amount pending (via hand pay, jackpot, promotional award, etc) will be forfeited. The "Ban List" is checked before all payments of jackpots, hand pays and promotional awards.

The amount forfeited is donated to charity by the Casino, after filing paperwork with the State describing what happened.

An accidental invitation back to the Casino would be met with "Sorry, but you must leave the premises or we will be calling the police."

ZCore13

I would wonder why he would want to go back and receive a darker black mark next to his name. Pushing the issue on an inadvertent "offer" will only flag his name even more. Have him wait, then the "new invitation" will carry more weight but I'd say "why go where you are not wanted". Take another casino's money.

Quote: Zcore13

Every State will have different rules. I will tell you how it is in Arizona.

When a player is banned from a Casino, they are banned from being on the property for any reason. They sign the ban paperwork acknowledging that they may not be on the property for any reason. Not to eat, not to meet someone, not for anything.

When they sign they also ackknowledge that if by chance they do sneak into the casino and win, any amount that they have in play will be taken from them and any amount pending (via hand pay, jackpot, promotional award, etc) will be forfeited. The "Ban List" is checked before all payments of jackpots, hand pays and promotional awards.

The amount forfeited is donated to charity by the Casino, after filing paperwork with the State describing what happened.

An accidental invitation back to the Casino would be met with "Sorry, but you must leave the premises or we will be calling the police."

ZCore13

What happens if they refuse to sign ?

They would be told verballly that they are not allowed back on the property and we would attempt to hand them the un-signed ban paperwork. The paperwork is a "Request to Ban". It still has to be approved by the Tribal Gaming Commission, but they are still banned during this process. My guess is that if they returned the Police would be called rather than just asking them to leave.

Everything is recorded, so there would be no way they could say they didn't know.

Like I said, these rules could be different than Nevada. These are Tribal Casinos we're dealing with here. If you want to appeal your ban, you have to appeal to the Tribe... the same Tribe that approved the Ban in the first place. You can guess how that usually works out.

ZCore13

Could that someone call and ask the casino?

Also ask for a fax stating they are welcome and any money's won't be confiscated?

As far as I understand Nevada laws, even if you are read the trespass act and banned from a casino, the casino STILL has to give you a chance to leave if you come back. So basically even if you are 86'ed, you can go back as long as you leave right away if they spot you.

If you are invited back, then I would think it would be no problem whatsoever. Just show them the invite if they ask you what you're doing there.

You could just show up in a Santa costume..... they won't know. Don't spread huge amounts at BJ tho.