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terapined
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April 10th, 2013 at 5:55:17 PM permalink
Down but just 20 bucks. I don't hit Vegas till the end of the year. I do have Seminole Hard Rock casino here in Tampa. Love their buffet. I usually pig out then relax playing some video poker. Since crummy pay tables about 97 to 98 per cent, I limit myself to losing 20 then hit the road. Cant wait to go to Vegas later this year so I can be down some serious moolah. LOL
"Everybody's bragging and drinking that wine, I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines, Come to Daddy on an inside straight, I got no chance of losing this time" -Grateful Dead- "Loser"
kewlj
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April 10th, 2013 at 6:01:38 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

That's because if you play table games or slots regularly there is almost no chance you will be ahead at the end of the year and more likely a month or two is the last time you'll see a positive total if you make it that far.

ZCore13



What are you talking about?? I play table games and video poker (no slots) and have not only had 9 straight years of positive totals, but have not worked for another person a single day during that time. There are plenty of people, a number on this site that support themselves from AP.
Zcore13
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April 10th, 2013 at 6:06:28 PM permalink
I did not mention Video Poker because if you account for comps and other promotional advantages you can possibly come out ahead. I said table games and slots.

The Poll shows 14-5 that people are down in the first 3 months. One of those that is up is mine, but I only play poker. I promise you if you did the poll for the whole year it would end up 98-2 or something close to that.

ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
kewlj
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April 10th, 2013 at 6:11:40 PM permalink
I don't know the exact make-up of the membership of this site. But I do know a number of successful professional players that participate, so I am pretty sure it would not be 98-2. lol
EvenBob
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April 10th, 2013 at 6:13:08 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

That's because if you play table games or slots regularly there is almost no chance you will be ahead at the end of the year

ZCore13



A guy was telling me years ago his wife won $12K on a slot,
and I foolishly said 'time to quit when you're ahead.'

No, he said, she's going use the money to win even more
money on the slots. I foolishly pointed out that statistically
you can't get ahead and stay ahead on slots and he almost
punched me. He said he didn't know where I got my info
but I was full of s__t, and he stomped away.

That was in my wising up chumps days, I don't do that anymore.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Boz
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April 10th, 2013 at 6:17:33 PM permalink
Down slightly over the house edge in BJ YTD, but trying to make it up next week in Vegas starting Friday the 19th. Playing BJ and some lower limit Poker Tournys that have always paid me some profits. The 10AM at Flamingo seems to always be a winner for me over the week. Now if we can just get more than 12 players!

But I judge my winnings in hundreds and by no means need this to make a living.
rdw4potus
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April 10th, 2013 at 6:29:58 PM permalink
I'm up a bit, mostly because I've significantly curtailed my play. I could have been up a lot more today, but luck eluded me. Switched from DDB to Deuces Wild, then hit AAAA4 on the next hand. Figures.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
Zcore13
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April 10th, 2013 at 6:32:05 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

I don't know the exact make-up of the membership of this site. But I do know a number of successful professional players that participate, so I am pretty sure it would not be 98-2. lol



I deal with gamblers every day. Hundreds a day. Thousands a year. Yes, people might say they make their living gambling. Yes, probably 80% of the people I talk to after they take a trip to Las Vegas tell me they "broke even" but at least they made enough to cover food and rooms, so it was a "free trip". I can also see the win/loss of players that claim they are ahead for the year or "even". It's NEVER true. Just because someone says something doesn't make it real.

ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. Former Table Games Director,, current Pit Supervisor. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
EvenBob
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April 10th, 2013 at 6:35:48 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Yes, probably 80% of the people I talk to after they take a trip to Las Vegas tell me they "broke even" but at least they made enough to cover food and rooms, so it was a "free trip".

ZCore13



I never met anybody that lost money in Vegas, they
always win a little or break even and their comps
paid for the trip. 80% is low, its more like 95%.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
kewlj
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April 10th, 2013 at 7:12:03 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I deal with gamblers every day. Hundreds a day. Thousands a year. Yes, people might say they make their living gambling. Yes, probably 80% of the people I talk to after they take a trip to Las Vegas tell me they "broke even" but at least they made enough to cover food and rooms, so it was a "free trip". I can also see the win/loss of players that claim they are ahead for the year or "even". It's NEVER true. Just because someone says something doesn't make it real.
ZCore13



Ok, you are one of those people that wants everyone to prove their claims. That's your prerogative. I too deal with gamblers nearly every day. I play blackjack 300-320 days per year baring health issues and although I have pushed quite a bit of my video poker responsibilities off on my partner and associate, I still play through some free play most days. I also eat at least one meal every single day, usually 2 at and courtesy of a casino, so as I said, I am around the gambling public more than I would care to be. I won't argue your point that many are delusional. And I suppose this site is more representative of that gambling public than some of the AP sites that I participate on. That is quite apparent to me by the preoccupation with games that are negative EV plays. On the AP sites that I participate on, the preoccupation is with plus EV games. Most members won't even consider playing a hand, round, spin or making a single wager in a negative EV situation. A few of those same members are on this site, which is why I know your pessimistic numbers are off.

You are underestimating people. Because you can't, don't or choose not to be AP, doesn't mean it is not possible. People can have remarkable abilities. My AP abilities aren't anything special. I choose time tested methods founded in simple math, but what some of these folks can do is remarkable. I have witnessed associates playing table games and explain to me what they are doing and how it gives them an advantage and I am just lost. I know of one guy who is a machine specialist. And I am not talking about a plus EV video poker machine. He can and does make a living playing negative EV slot machines. He has knowledge of these machines that only the manufacturer has, maybe even that the manufacturer doesn't have. He buys machines, takes them apart and finds all kinds of vulnerabilities. When I first heard of him and even later when I began speaking with him, I was sure there was no way. But there is. I know people, credible people, that have known him for years and vouch for him.

Now I am not suggestion there are a ton of people like this running around, there aren't. They are the exception. But there are plenty of players, both on a professional level and recreactional level alike, who's only gambling addiction is being addicted to playing a winning game, a positive EV game. They too are the exception, but you can be damn sure they are there. You can be damn sure of it because of the casino industries reaction, over-reaction and paranoia of these players.

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