25k loss- new thread- update for today,
January 17th, 2013 at 9:09:30 AM
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leaving now, any last minute advice
tried to keep cover, its a small casino and ill discuss later why no one noticed , but I am heading back right now, shift started and she is there - I had to take money out of a non bankroll situation . Wish me luck- I am going with the wizards theory a good bet is a good bet, It probably not a 10 percent edge because unless I am up right away big money where I can walk away if they cut it, I would probably not hit 15's into a 6 with and ace underneath so just not to blow it from weird play- however if I am up then yes split 77 in a ten showing if there is a 6 underneath-
HERE GOES NOTHING _________________________________________________- ill try and update from bathroom in between dealers
tried to keep cover, its a small casino and ill discuss later why no one noticed , but I am heading back right now, shift started and she is there - I had to take money out of a non bankroll situation . Wish me luck- I am going with the wizards theory a good bet is a good bet, It probably not a 10 percent edge because unless I am up right away big money where I can walk away if they cut it, I would probably not hit 15's into a 6 with and ace underneath so just not to blow it from weird play- however if I am up then yes split 77 in a ten showing if there is a 6 underneath-
HERE GOES NOTHING _________________________________________________- ill try and update from bathroom in between dealers
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January 17th, 2013 at 9:14:00 AM
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Good luck to ya...
I was talking with my gf about this last night...she asked me what difference does knowing the dealers card make, when you still can't change the hand you've got!
Personally, if I had a 17/18/19 vs dealer 18/19/20, I'd surrender...but I guess that'd blow the play, right?
I was talking with my gf about this last night...she asked me what difference does knowing the dealers card make, when you still can't change the hand you've got!
Personally, if I had a 17/18/19 vs dealer 18/19/20, I'd surrender...but I guess that'd blow the play, right?
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
January 17th, 2013 at 9:14:06 AM
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Good luck! Don't get yourself banned. Do they know you? You can always cover by acting like you're superstitious or chasing luck if they're unfamiliar with your play.
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
January 17th, 2013 at 9:43:29 AM
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Plays like this are what the AP player is all about so get your money back!
January 17th, 2013 at 9:47:33 AM
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You can always claim to be "changing the order of the cards" when you do a non-BS play
January 17th, 2013 at 9:49:02 AM
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If he bets 10% again, this story may not have a happy ending !
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
January 17th, 2013 at 9:51:57 AM
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Good luck, strictlyAP.
I heart Crystal Math.
January 17th, 2013 at 9:59:10 AM
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I am anxiously awaiting updates!!!
January 17th, 2013 at 10:12:04 AM
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Its been an hour where's are guy?
January 17th, 2013 at 10:16:38 AM
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in bathroom cant update from phone up about 14k
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January 17th, 2013 at 10:18:40 AM
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Quote: strictlyAPin bathroom cant update from phone up about 14k
Up 14k in addition to getting your 25k back? or up 14k for the session and still down 11k overall?
Either way - keep it up!
January 17th, 2013 at 11:12:18 AM
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ace, I am going to pm you
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January 17th, 2013 at 11:14:36 AM
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27 up at moment. dealer on break and then at another table wont be back till another 30 some minutes- no heat at all so far except for the large bets
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January 17th, 2013 at 11:35:51 AM
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back at table update to follow
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January 17th, 2013 at 12:00:33 PM
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up total of 19k got back 25- trying to decide when to quit had a monster hand with 17.5k on the talbe 22 in a 15
split got a 2 and a pulled nine double got 21 next 2 got another 2 pulled an 8 doubled got ace for two 21's next two 7 double for 10 dealer pulls 20, fml
split got a 2 and a pulled nine double got 21 next 2 got another 2 pulled an 8 doubled got ace for two 21's next two 7 double for 10 dealer pulls 20, fml
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January 17th, 2013 at 12:02:31 PM
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Quote: strictlyAPup total of 19k got back 25- trying to decide when to quit had a monster hand with 17.5k on the talbe 22 in a 15
split got a 2 and a pulled nine double got 21 next 2 got another 2 pulled an 8 doubled got ace for two 21's next two 7 double for 10 dealer pulls 20, fml
So you have your original 25k plus 19k WOW
January 17th, 2013 at 12:07:34 PM
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ok , starting to get heat, up 34 k, on the play overall, she is now on spanish 21 - not sure how to adjust on the fly for this going to give it one more shot and move tables - heat already on I think - going to play 20 more mins spanish 20 and get out ,
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January 17th, 2013 at 12:10:46 PM
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I read the other thread and I'm shocked that the Wiz recommended betting 10% of your bankroll. That is SUICIDE. First off, that would be a full Kelly (i.e., good luck!) bet even if you did have a 10% edge, which you most assuredly do not. Even if you know optimal hole card strategy, which you have indicated that you don't (and no, it's not all intuitive), you would have to make many very obvious plays to capture a full 10%. And of course, that implies that you have full hole card knowledge on every hand.
Two words of advice:
1. Be careful. Your edge isn't what you think it is. The game is more dangerous than you think.
2. Stop discussing this on a public forum. You run a high risk of generating serious heat for yourself and ruining the game for both yourself and other APs who play it.
Two words of advice:
1. Be careful. Your edge isn't what you think it is. The game is more dangerous than you think.
2. Stop discussing this on a public forum. You run a high risk of generating serious heat for yourself and ruining the game for both yourself and other APs who play it.
January 17th, 2013 at 12:13:18 PM
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Quote: LonesomeGamblerStop discussing this on a public forum.
ummm, he has zoomed off 180 degrees in the other direction
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 17th, 2013 at 12:14:57 PM
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Quote: strictlyAPok , starting to get heat, up 34 k, on the play overall, she is now on spanish 21 - not sure how to adjust on the fly for this going to give it one more shot and move tables - heat already on I think - going to play 20 more mins spanish 20 and get out ,
I know you don't care, but I know you say you're going to get out, but I am pretty sure you are not going to be able to get back in.
January 17th, 2013 at 12:35:20 PM
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Quote: FinsRuleI know you don't care, but I know you say you're going to get out, but I am pretty sure you are not going to be able to get back in.
Yeah, following her to Spanish 21 is probably blowing it for sure. Or at least it should. The possible exception is this is a brand new place for you and you've looked like a gigantic gambler betting $2500/hand from the very beginning. And even then, the heat is going to be on.
January 17th, 2013 at 12:47:06 PM
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this is starting to smell a little fishy.
who does live updates like this for in-progress plays? talk about ill-advised.
who does live updates like this for in-progress plays? talk about ill-advised.
January 17th, 2013 at 12:51:56 PM
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Quote: sodawaterthis is starting to smell a little fishy.
I have been buying it.
Then again, same poster with the thread about the Suit wanting a loan , quid pro quo = nice freeplay.
Also, a little research has got the casino pinned: about 90% probability anyway, I'd say.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 17th, 2013 at 1:00:48 PM
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all done-and leaving anyway ill save the updates since people want to cast aspersions
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January 17th, 2013 at 1:01:53 PM
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wasnt live updates, dealers change I go to bathroom take a break make a phone call and post
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January 17th, 2013 at 1:02:39 PM
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Good ideaQuote: strictlyAPill save the updates
January 17th, 2013 at 1:03:43 PM
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Quote: strictlyAPall done-and leaving anyway ill save the updates since people want to cast aspersions
I personally like to cast fishing lines...
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
January 17th, 2013 at 1:06:17 PM
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Isn't this the same guy who said a casino
exec wanted to borrow money from him?
And now this? Hmmmm....
exec wanted to borrow money from him?
And now this? Hmmmm....
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
January 17th, 2013 at 1:11:22 PM
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Quote: EvenBobIsn't this the same guy who said a casino
exec wanted to borrow money from him?
And now this? Hmmmm....
Yes, that one. I noticed that 'playing with an edge' radio, last show, mentioned this, but it seemed to be *yet another person* than this poster with the same thing going on. Could be wrong about that, and the Suit might be hitting up two guys who both went to the internet to discuss it. But, sounds fishy enough to say not swallowing hook, line, sinker.
I'm still ready to buy this one, with a grain of salt now.
Pics?
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
January 17th, 2013 at 1:14:36 PM
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I think he could parlay his five figures into six figures by contacting the right television show producer to share the story assuming he's not breaking any laws.
This is fascinating drama.
I only assume that he's not breaking any laws, but if he is, he should be concerned about being tracked down.
Even if there are no laws being broken, the casino is not going to be happy about this.
Word travels!
This is fascinating drama.
I only assume that he's not breaking any laws, but if he is, he should be concerned about being tracked down.
Even if there are no laws being broken, the casino is not going to be happy about this.
Word travels!
aahigh.com
January 17th, 2013 at 1:16:00 PM
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Quote: odiousgambitCould be wrong about that, and the Suit might be hitting up two guys who both went to the internet to discuss it.
Do you know how big a coincidence that would be?
Like a cop, I don't believe in coincidences.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
January 17th, 2013 at 1:18:15 PM
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Quote: sodawaterwho does live updates like this for in-progress plays? talk about ill-advised.
I resemble that remark
January 17th, 2013 at 1:26:06 PM
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: odiousgambit
Could be wrong about that, and the Suit might be hitting up two guys who both went to the internet to discuss it.Do you know how big a coincidence that would be?
Like a cop, I don't believe in coincidences.
I'm not following - why couldn't the same person have discussed the same thing in two different places? Many of us are active on more than one gambling forum online...
"So as the clock ticked and the day passed, opportunity met preparation, and luck happened." - Maurice Clarett
January 17th, 2013 at 1:30:43 PM
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I will leave it at this-
I play in casinos FULL TIME
I am very well know in them and get AWAY with a lot more because of the action I give them- therefor more tolerant of certain issues
I E resetting a hand in pai gow that was misplayed, or backing out of a hand in blackjack if there was a dealer issue, these are all judgement decisions by floor and pit managers, they come up everyday, the more you give play the more lenient they are in a judgement situation- if you do not think that dealers flash and or host or executives apporach players you are wrong
I can go on and on with other situations that I just dont talk about- but im sure any full time casino person can share a lot of the same stories
just last night on a huge hand of pai gow poker the dealer put the cards on the wrong numbers to start, normally the hand might be dead- I have aces and kings and was allowed to stay in the hand - that never happens they always call it dead hand,
I play in casinos FULL TIME
I am very well know in them and get AWAY with a lot more because of the action I give them- therefor more tolerant of certain issues
I E resetting a hand in pai gow that was misplayed, or backing out of a hand in blackjack if there was a dealer issue, these are all judgement decisions by floor and pit managers, they come up everyday, the more you give play the more lenient they are in a judgement situation- if you do not think that dealers flash and or host or executives apporach players you are wrong
I can go on and on with other situations that I just dont talk about- but im sure any full time casino person can share a lot of the same stories
just last night on a huge hand of pai gow poker the dealer put the cards on the wrong numbers to start, normally the hand might be dead- I have aces and kings and was allowed to stay in the hand - that never happens they always call it dead hand,
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January 17th, 2013 at 1:32:43 PM
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Quote: strictlyAP
just last night on a huge hand of pai gow poker the dealer put the cards on the wrong numbers to start, normally the hand might be dead- I have aces and kings and was allowed to stay in the hand - that never happens they always call it dead hand,
I thought you were "strictly" advantage play? Or were there 5 other players at the table also making huge bets you can fade as the bank?
January 17th, 2013 at 1:45:27 PM
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It depends on a lot of things. I go to AC maybe once a month and they know me there, but I am nowhere near the player AP is. I was playing texas hold'em bonus, got pocket aces, looked up and saw I had forgotten to play the bonus. Called the Pit over who knew me and he said ok throw your usual $5 up there.
January 17th, 2013 at 1:54:33 PM
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ap doesnt mean I dont play in the casino, there was a contest going and some other promotions - enough said
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January 17th, 2013 at 2:31:43 PM
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Just read through this thread and the other one also.
I'm glad you got your money back, plus more; But my main thought is:
Man, PaigowDan is going to be PISSED!
I'm glad you got your money back, plus more; But my main thought is:
Man, PaigowDan is going to be PISSED!
"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871
January 17th, 2013 at 2:35:47 PM
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Final results? Shouldn't matter now that you are out.
January 17th, 2013 at 3:32:45 PM
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Funny I know pai gow Dan would be mad as hell
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January 17th, 2013 at 3:35:58 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
January 17th, 2013 at 3:48:07 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesYeah damnit! You should have told tne dealer not to flash.
how does the dealer flash the hole card anyway?!
u just drag it from the shoe to the table. at no point should the dealer's fingers be on the edge of the card to lift it.
so how does a dealer flash the hole card?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
January 17th, 2013 at 4:00:15 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
January 17th, 2013 at 4:06:38 PM
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I for one believe strictlyAP, this story just has a ring of truth. What a good ride. Good for you getting your money back and then some. Just FYI are you done with this dealer or are you planning on going back for more? I think I know the answer but just asking.
January 17th, 2013 at 4:37:00 PM
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Ty jeez
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