Rate yourself - craps shooting
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December 17th, 2012 at 7:42:52 PM
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I have a theory about how most craps shooters will rate their ability to throw the dice and make points.
Consider this poll only from the right side shooter. So if you are a great Dark side shooter, you would choose worse than average or PSO machine.
If you want to enter comments to support your rating, feel free to open yourself up for abuse, or counter opinions from those that have played with you. :-)
Consider this poll only from the right side shooter. So if you are a great Dark side shooter, you would choose worse than average or PSO machine.
If you want to enter comments to support your rating, feel free to open yourself up for abuse, or counter opinions from those that have played with you. :-)
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December 17th, 2012 at 7:50:26 PM
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I feel I shoot better than average. While I have some PSO throws, I make my share of 2, 3, and 4 point rolls quite often.
I have had one roll of an 1:10, two rolls over 0:40, and a couple of rolls over 30 min.
I strongly feel that if I was disciplined enough to only play on my roll, I would have more winning sessions than I do now.
I have had one roll of an 1:10, two rolls over 0:40, and a couple of rolls over 30 min.
I strongly feel that if I was disciplined enough to only play on my roll, I would have more winning sessions than I do now.
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December 17th, 2012 at 7:52:11 PM
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I've rolled a 104 roll hand, and I've rolled a 2 roll hand...
And everything in between...
I also once went 14 in a row 7outs (no points, I was the only shooter, playing the DP)
And everything in between...
I also once went 14 in a row 7outs (no points, I was the only shooter, playing the DP)
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
December 17th, 2012 at 7:54:53 PM
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Really, your question is meaningless.
We're all just random number generators.
We're all just random number generators.
"What, me worry?"
December 17th, 2012 at 8:01:58 PM
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Quote: MrVReally, your question is meaningless.
We're all just random number generators.
It is way beyond meaningless!
I have a theory on how this poll is going to turn out, before people even vote. Now it is wait and see how many people vote.
By my count, there are at least 20 confirmed craps players that hang out here quite regular. Not sure how may will put in a vote though.
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December 17th, 2012 at 8:03:19 PM
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Dice control is BS on legal throws.
I have a pretty limited sample of rolls myself. I've only played a few times a year in each the 4 years I have played.
However, I did have an hour long roll at MGM 3 years ago. Table won about 150k by my estimation. Me? 9k.
So my performance is above average, I am sure.
I have a pretty limited sample of rolls myself. I've only played a few times a year in each the 4 years I have played.
However, I did have an hour long roll at MGM 3 years ago. Table won about 150k by my estimation. Me? 9k.
So my performance is above average, I am sure.
December 17th, 2012 at 8:05:29 PM
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Ok so here's my shooting history more or less. I rate myself a below average shooter on a life to date basis. However, I will never bet against myself on the line. Why? Karma. Taboo. It's just wrong. I have a naive belief that a win by my own hand/roll of the dice will feel better making a point than 7'ing out.
My longest streak lasted 20-30 minutes, and I was hitting numbers all over the place. This was either pre-fire bet days or maybe this casino just didn't have it at that lucky table I was shooting at. I made 5 out of 6 points. Coincidentally this was my largest and longest win. As a small roller, I weathered a hot/cold table and walked away when I 7'ed out. The icer was a guy tossing a couple of grand on the table and asking for chips right before my next roll. I have never been able to replicate this streak again =(
My worst streak has been not only a series of losing sessions but a series of times when I either 7 out after 2 rolls or 7 out after betting 3X-4X my normal bet size. It has shot me pretty badly on too many occasions to the point of considering quitting all together.
And somewhere in between, there were up and down days. Up 50% and down 50%. End of the day/month/year, small wins and big losses.
Do I like betting as Dark horse against someone else? Sure do. If everyone sucks just as bad as me, I should be ahead like the house.
My longest streak lasted 20-30 minutes, and I was hitting numbers all over the place. This was either pre-fire bet days or maybe this casino just didn't have it at that lucky table I was shooting at. I made 5 out of 6 points. Coincidentally this was my largest and longest win. As a small roller, I weathered a hot/cold table and walked away when I 7'ed out. The icer was a guy tossing a couple of grand on the table and asking for chips right before my next roll. I have never been able to replicate this streak again =(
My worst streak has been not only a series of losing sessions but a series of times when I either 7 out after 2 rolls or 7 out after betting 3X-4X my normal bet size. It has shot me pretty badly on too many occasions to the point of considering quitting all together.
And somewhere in between, there were up and down days. Up 50% and down 50%. End of the day/month/year, small wins and big losses.
Do I like betting as Dark horse against someone else? Sure do. If everyone sucks just as bad as me, I should be ahead like the house.
December 17th, 2012 at 9:24:09 PM
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I'm going to say that I'm better than average because I have the data to back it up.
But I think it would take a fool to think they can do remarkably better than average over a large number of samples.
It is damn hard to get control over the dice in a legal throw!
But I think it would take a fool to think they can do remarkably better than average over a large number of samples.
It is damn hard to get control over the dice in a legal throw!
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December 17th, 2012 at 10:09:20 PM
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December 17th, 2012 at 10:31:22 PM
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Quote: sodawaterthis thread is less useful than many of the threads started by spambots
What is a spambot?
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December 18th, 2012 at 12:09:06 AM
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Quote: sodawaterthis thread is less useful than many of the threads started by spambots
I think RaleighCraps is trying to make an as-yet-undeclared point, that doesn't involve a show of belief in dice control on his part. But that's just me supposing again.
Quote: AhighWhat is a spambot?
A spambot is somewhat malicious software written to go about the internet, creating accounts on message boards and posting links to porn/scams/etc. where the creator of the spambot gets a kickback for clicks/signups/etc. When you see a post with broken english/horrible grammar/a post that seems to be strung together with parts of speech that just don't quite match, and then somewhere in the post there is a link to a sketchy website, that is a spambot. You should click the little "flag" button so the admins can bust the post more quickly.
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December 18th, 2012 at 12:55:02 AM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsI think RaleighCraps is trying to make an as-yet-undeclared point, that doesn't involve a show of belief in dice control on his part. But that's just me supposing again.
A spambot is somewhat malicious software written to go about the internet, creating accounts on message boards and posting links to porn/scams/etc. where the creator of the spambot gets a kickback for clicks/signups/etc. When you see a post with broken english/horrible grammar/a post that seems to be strung together with parts of speech that just don't quite match, and then somewhere in the post there is a link to a sketchy website, that is a spambot. You should click the little "flag" button so the admins can bust the post more quickly.
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December 18th, 2012 at 1:09:33 AM
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I have to call myself an average shooter -- and I have had a few great hands, and I have had many miserable hands.
A more important measure would be have I won money playing craps over the course of a year or over my lifetime? The answers are no and no.
Do I try to win? Yes I do.
Are there shooters who are better than others? Yes. Does it mean they have some ability that makes them have better hands? I don't know.
While I have played with shooters whose rolls, shots, tosses appear to have some appearance of an influenced or controlled throw, what defines an influenced or controlled throw and what tolerances are used to measure influencing or controlling?
By the way, the MOST money I ever won were on shooters who were nothing but random throwers, with the dice bouncing around with no appearance of any type of influencing or controlling and if I recall weren't even set prior to the throw.
But am I open to the possibility that someone has this skill? Yes I am open to the possibility. But you gotta show me and prove to me it can be done with a certain amount of regularity much like a major league pitcher can deliver a curve ball into the strike zone a high percentage of the time.
A more important measure would be have I won money playing craps over the course of a year or over my lifetime? The answers are no and no.
Do I try to win? Yes I do.
Are there shooters who are better than others? Yes. Does it mean they have some ability that makes them have better hands? I don't know.
While I have played with shooters whose rolls, shots, tosses appear to have some appearance of an influenced or controlled throw, what defines an influenced or controlled throw and what tolerances are used to measure influencing or controlling?
By the way, the MOST money I ever won were on shooters who were nothing but random throwers, with the dice bouncing around with no appearance of any type of influencing or controlling and if I recall weren't even set prior to the throw.
But am I open to the possibility that someone has this skill? Yes I am open to the possibility. But you gotta show me and prove to me it can be done with a certain amount of regularity much like a major league pitcher can deliver a curve ball into the strike zone a high percentage of the time.
December 18th, 2012 at 5:36:15 AM
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I am the greatest dice setter in the world !!!!
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 18th, 2012 at 5:42:56 AM
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I roll random numbers.....just like everyone else.
"I am a man devoured by the passion for gambling." --Dostoevsky, 1871
December 18th, 2012 at 5:44:00 AM
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Quote: MakingBookI roll random numbers.....just like everyone else.
They you and I are tied as the world's greatest dice setters.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 18th, 2012 at 5:44:06 AM
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Quote: BuzzardI am the greatest dice setter in the world !!!!
Is that because you always get the pips lined up exactly with each other?
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December 18th, 2012 at 5:44:48 AM
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Oh, your dice have pips ?
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 18th, 2012 at 8:02:56 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonwhat defines an influenced or controlled throw and what tolerances are used to measure influencing or controlling?
It's a slippery slope, trying to ascribe objective measurement to a subjective subject.
Sort of like trying to figure out what god's inseam might be, or trying to grasp smoke.
"What, me worry?"
December 18th, 2012 at 8:58:30 AM
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Quote: MrVIt's a slippery slope, trying to ascribe objective measurement to a subjective subject.
Sort of like trying to figure out what god's inseam might be, or trying to grasp smoke.
Smoke is what makes electronic chips and circuits work. How do I know that?
Well, if you let the smoke out, they stop working, so there you go! PROOF
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December 18th, 2012 at 9:53:58 AM
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I'd call myself an average shooter even though I've thrown a full six-point fire. I set the dice, and sometimes, I'm great, and sometimes I'm not.
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December 18th, 2012 at 10:04:17 AM
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What's the difference between, "I am a PSO machine" and "I am an average shot"? When I'm playing the pass line, it seems that most of the shooters (i.e., about the average) fall into the other category, too.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:07:38 AM
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When I'm at the Binions pit I like to see if I can hit the Golden Nugget with the dice. It usually depends on if I warm up or not. Having said that... I consider myself better than average.
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December 18th, 2012 at 10:25:49 AM
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I definitely feel worse than average in Craps; my sample is terribly small though.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:26:16 AM
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I'm not sure which is worse: the fact that some people think they are better or worse than average at generating random numbers, or the fact that I actually responded to the poll.
December 18th, 2012 at 10:27:07 AM
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Quote: DocWhat's the difference between, "I am a PSO machine" and "I am an average shot"? When I'm playing the pass line, it seems that most of the shooters (i.e., about the average) fall into the other category, too.
There are some craps players who refuse to shoot the dice. When pressed they will usually say they cannot make more than 3 or 4 throws before they 7 out. When I have played with just the two of us, and I convince one of them to shoot, guess what they do? 7 out within a couple of throws. In their minds, they are PSO machines.
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Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:27:57 AM
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Quote: jml24I'm not sure which is worse: the fact that some people think they are better or worse than average at generating random numbers, or the fact that I actually responded to the poll.
LOL. Like quicksand. You know you should stay away, but you have to come closer to see what it is all about.
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Be yourself and speak your thoughts. Those who matter won't mind, and those that mind, don't matter!
December 18th, 2012 at 10:39:50 AM
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I always try and honestly answer any poll. That's why I checked the following : I am a point making machine
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
December 18th, 2012 at 10:48:09 AM
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The shape of the curve for how many rolls to expect is not intuitive. The average number of rolls is known (8.52551 according to the Wizard), and the minimum number of rolls is known (two).
The worst shots are lots of crap on the comeout before sevening out, not even PSO. Especially for a high limit table.
It might be interesting for someone with a simulator to show us the curve of the chance of rolling n rolls where n is between 2 and 100.
The worst shots are lots of crap on the comeout before sevening out, not even PSO. Especially for a high limit table.
It might be interesting for someone with a simulator to show us the curve of the chance of rolling n rolls where n is between 2 and 100.
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December 18th, 2012 at 10:57:05 AM
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Quote: RogerKintWhen I'm at the Binions pit I like to see if I can hit the Golden Nugget with the dice. It usually depends on if I warm up or not. Having said that... I consider myself better than average.
Hehe.. I enjoyed that. I've seen dice fly out of Binions and bounce at least halfway across Fremont Street. For some reason, when it happens, I still haven't heard the shooter say, "Same dice please".
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
December 18th, 2012 at 11:00:33 AM
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It might...Quote: AhighThe shape of the curve for how many rolls to expect is not intuitive. The average number of rolls is known, and the minimum number of rolls is known (two).
The worst shots are lots of crap on the comeout before sevening out, not even PSO. Especially for a high limit table.
It might be interesting for someone with a simulator to show us the curve of the chance of rolling n rolls where n is between 2 and 100.
No simulation needed. It has been done B4.
length of a shooter's hand - relative probability
Most common roll to 7out on... the 3rd roll.
2nd most common roll... the 2nd roll.
length of a shooter's hand - cumulative probability
(X or less. example: 50% of all shooter hands end on or before the 6th roll)
more here
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/1886-world-records-in-craps/4/#post154846
The OP is talking about hitting points.
That has been talked about here:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/gambling/3146-average-number-of-points-hit-per-shooter-in-craps/
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December 18th, 2012 at 1:41:17 PM
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I may just have to start tracking my performance. My mind likes to tell me that I'm really damn good. I was shooting as near perfect as ever for lunch today. Even I was surprised.
The dealers were sort of wigging out a bit (I don't play much there.) They said something about Golden Touch Craps and I asked them, "who that guy" as a guy was just walking away, and they were like, "no you." Then they asked, "did you take a class or something" and I said, "no I'm self-taught." Then I told them my website name "GoodShooter.com" and they asked again and feigned enough interest to pretend they might remember it. LOL.
But I was hitting pretty solid with very few bets and quickly hitting exactly what I bet.
I had one very weak short roll for a seven-out on my second time being the shooter, but the rolls and outcomes were looking very nice by my own standards.
I normally don't do well there and I think their felt is normally not very favorable to me. But I was hitting and bouncing exactly the way I wanted on the majority of the tosses.
I had a lot of fun even if the win wasn't gargantuan. They told me "you should have bet more" and I said, "yeah, then I wouldn't be winning." And the box man says, "you're right!" LOL. Oh well.
The dealers were sort of wigging out a bit (I don't play much there.) They said something about Golden Touch Craps and I asked them, "who that guy" as a guy was just walking away, and they were like, "no you." Then they asked, "did you take a class or something" and I said, "no I'm self-taught." Then I told them my website name "GoodShooter.com" and they asked again and feigned enough interest to pretend they might remember it. LOL.
But I was hitting pretty solid with very few bets and quickly hitting exactly what I bet.
I had one very weak short roll for a seven-out on my second time being the shooter, but the rolls and outcomes were looking very nice by my own standards.
I normally don't do well there and I think their felt is normally not very favorable to me. But I was hitting and bouncing exactly the way I wanted on the majority of the tosses.
I had a lot of fun even if the win wasn't gargantuan. They told me "you should have bet more" and I said, "yeah, then I wouldn't be winning." And the box man says, "you're right!" LOL. Oh well.
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December 18th, 2012 at 2:50:18 PM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsI think RaleighCraps is trying to make an as-yet-undeclared point, that doesn't involve a show of belief in dice control on his part. But that's just me supposing again.
Good call AA88. What I was expecting to see was a large number of people saying they were better than average, which of course would mean that the casino could not be winning with so many above average shooters. Then we could have a discussion about how people who said they are above average could justify that rating.
It would also be fun to have someone who has played with you a lot also submit a rating for you, but there are only a couple of people who have played that much with other members, so it would not be very anonymous.
I should have known better than to ask this question on this forum. Too much science and math knowledge here.
I was surprised at the number of responses though. I thought 24 would be the top number of responses.
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December 18th, 2012 at 4:06:00 PM
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Quote: RaleighCrapsGood call AA88. What I was expecting to see was a large number of people saying they were better than average, which of course would mean that the casino could not be winning with so many above average shooters. Then we could have a discussion about how people who said they are above average could justify that rating.
It would also be fun to have someone who has played with you a lot also submit a rating for you, but there are only a couple of people who have played that much with other members, so it would not be very anonymous.
I should have known better than to ask this question on this forum. Too much science and math knowledge here.
I was surprised at the number of responses though. I thought 24 would be the top number of responses.
FWIW I voted "slightly worse than average" but I play the wrong way almost always when I roll, so that would put me at an advantage :). CLEARLY!
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December 18th, 2012 at 6:10:27 PM
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December 18th, 2012 at 6:39:03 PM
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I considered myself to be worse than average, not so much due to the shooting itself, but due to my impeccable timing: I press, and it's out. I take it down, and it hits. Day before yesterday, I jokingly tried to 'prove' that by moving my bet around each time. Worked for three shots, until people started putting money on the number I vacated. Out it goes. (And yes, I know it'll probably turn out to be pure random streaks of luck if I actually recorded results, but it's a fun in itself to look for patterns and superstitions.)
Were you there a week ago? I was walking through [by where that creepy Father Christmas is right now...] when I was hit by flying dice. Looked around to try and return them, but nope. Turns out it landed in my bag of take-out so I got a nice bright-green Binion's souvenir die to take home.
...I have to do that next time. Just to see what happens.
Quote: RogerKintWhen I'm at the Binions pit I like to see if I can hit the Golden Nugget with the dice. It usually depends on if I warm up or not. Having said that... I consider myself better than average.
Were you there a week ago? I was walking through [by where that creepy Father Christmas is right now...] when I was hit by flying dice. Looked around to try and return them, but nope. Turns out it landed in my bag of take-out so I got a nice bright-green Binion's souvenir die to take home.
Quote: AyecarumbaHehe.. I enjoyed that. I've seen dice fly out of Binions and bounce at least halfway across Fremont Street. For some reason, when it happens, I still haven't heard the shooter say, "Same dice please".
...I have to do that next time. Just to see what happens.
December 18th, 2012 at 7:34:26 PM
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Quote: AhighI'm going to say that I'm better than average because I have the data to back it up.
Quote: AhighI may just have to start tracking my performance.
These quotes are in the order they were stated.
Don't you have to track your performance to have the data to back up a claim?
December 19th, 2012 at 8:03:51 AM
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Not all of my performances do I track. When I do record rolls, I don't omit any of the data. But when I shoot for entertainment (a large majority of the time), I don't write anything down.
I have rolled the dice several hundred thousand times, and only recorded a little less than 2000 of them.
So both the above claims are true.
Please don't worry about me. If you want to poke fun at me, no worries. It is funny how it came across.
But I am a very happy guy who totally enjoys what he does. I am a VERY happy person.
Last night Teddy came by the house. We both started with $1,500. He got to $3,300 and I got to $7,800. I made a hundred bucks or so for the dealer too. Only funny money but we had a good time.
I have rolled the dice several hundred thousand times, and only recorded a little less than 2000 of them.
So both the above claims are true.
Please don't worry about me. If you want to poke fun at me, no worries. It is funny how it came across.
But I am a very happy guy who totally enjoys what he does. I am a VERY happy person.
Last night Teddy came by the house. We both started with $1,500. He got to $3,300 and I got to $7,800. I made a hundred bucks or so for the dealer too. Only funny money but we had a good time.
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December 20th, 2012 at 7:44:59 PM
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I am pretty good at hitting the annoying people at the other end of the table with the dice. I call it the "brush back" shot.
"Dice, verily, are armed with goads and driving-hooks, deceiving and tormenting, causing grievous woe." -Rig Veda 10.34.4
December 21st, 2012 at 8:15:15 PM
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Quote: teddysI am pretty good at hitting the annoying people at the other end of the table with the dice. I call it the "brush back" shot.
I too have developed this shot. I reserve it for the person who is habitually always putting their hands out when the dice are in the air.
You get someone solid on the hand with both dice, and you get their attention ;-)
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December 23rd, 2012 at 2:31:20 AM
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Quote: AhighSo both the above claims are true.
So you've mastered cognitive dissonance. Well done.
Quote: AhighPlease don't worry about me.
I'm hardly worried about you.
Quote: AhighIf you want to poke fun at me, no worries.
Poking fun? No. Pointing out the illogical? Yup.
Quote: AhighIt is funny how it came across.
I'm more apt to go with sad, but whatever.
Quote: Ahigh
But I am a very happy guy who totally enjoys what he does. I am a VERY happy person.
That comes across really clear when you're CUSSING and SWEARING in ALL CAPS. And making bitter and cynical remarks about things you don't really understand, and never will because as you say, no one is going to change your mind.
