AC;Sandy; employees getting screwed!
October 31st, 2012 at 4:58:45 PM
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Sadly, I have to delete this thread. Despite my not naming names, it seems that people like to name names - which makes searching through this site a lot easier for the casinos (who I know track these message boards each day). As such, I am deleting my post.
October 31st, 2012 at 5:05:49 PM
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October 31st, 2012 at 5:06:00 PM
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Quote: aceofspadesMy sources inform me that the new casino on the block is using employee's vacation time to pay them for the days they have been closed due to Sandy. If an employee does not have any vacation time accrued or available, then they WILL NOT be paid for the days they have been closed.
What happens later when the employees want to take real actual planned vacation?
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October 31st, 2012 at 5:11:56 PM
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So does anyone think they SHOULD be paid for days they didn't work?? Exactly how much money did the casino bring in during these days?
This is liberalism at its best. Give money to people who didn't work.
This is liberalism at its best. Give money to people who didn't work.
October 31st, 2012 at 5:14:55 PM
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Quote: Boz
This is liberalism at its best. Give money to people who didn't work.
I think they should be unpaid days off. MAYBE with the option to take vacation and get paid for them. But to force people to waste vacation days...
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October 31st, 2012 at 5:22:24 PM
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In my federal job, where I'm technically non-exempt, I got 8 hours of "admin leave" for every day off. When I told my dad, who's an executive and 35 year employee at Boeing, he couldn't believe it. Since we're from Seattle, where we haven't really had a natural disaster since St. Helen's, he wasn't able to give me first hand knowledge but said that they would not get paid for the time off but allowed to work "overtime" and make it up within the next few weeks. A friend that's local said that his friend's boss basically told them they had to work and if they didn't have power to come over to his house.
I'm ecstatic that I was given anytime whatsoever for the two days we were closed down, especially considering I could have easily made it to work both days. I have to side with the company and bosses who shouldn't be expected to pay employees for days that they weren't producing anything. Either way, the employees should be allowed to take leave without pay to save their vacation if they want.
Lastly, this is hearsay, but my dad said that my uncle who's a lawyer told him that by law non-exempt employees are not owed any time whatsoever. Exempt is a little more complicated.
I'm ecstatic that I was given anytime whatsoever for the two days we were closed down, especially considering I could have easily made it to work both days. I have to side with the company and bosses who shouldn't be expected to pay employees for days that they weren't producing anything. Either way, the employees should be allowed to take leave without pay to save their vacation if they want.
Lastly, this is hearsay, but my dad said that my uncle who's a lawyer told him that by law non-exempt employees are not owed any time whatsoever. Exempt is a little more complicated.
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October 31st, 2012 at 5:27:37 PM
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Quote: rdw4potusI think they should be unpaid days off. MAYBE with the option to take vacation and get paid for them. But to force people to waste vacation days...
I agree, but it seems like the OP expected them to be paid because the storm was no fault of their own. Perhaps he can explain his views.
October 31st, 2012 at 5:33:10 PM
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Quote: BozSo does anyone think they SHOULD be paid for days they didn't work?? Exactly how much money did the casino bring in during these days?
This is liberalism at its best. Give money to people who didn't work.
It's not liberalism, at least from my point of view. As a business owner,
this would be something I would do for an employee as a morale booster.
Just my two cents, but what the hell do I know.
October 31st, 2012 at 5:35:59 PM
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I know that some of the Mississippi casinos have paid people during hurricanes but I would hardly expect it unless the contracts specifically address that workers due get paid if the casino closes down.
Years go I showed up to open my workplace and one of my coworkers had been murdered leaving the business in the middle of the night and the police had taken over the property. The business closed five days for proper mourning and safety evaluation. The company was grossly negligent to anyone that knew the full story of what happened and they made us take vacation or not get paid even though they shared a good amount of the blame for what happened. I still did not feel they were wrong for not paying while the store was closed and I am pretty biased because it was a close friend of mine was the victim and I will never forgive the company for how they created the situation - still I take their side on not paying employees.
Any employee that thinks they are entitled to payment even though they did not work is delusional IMO, especially considering the financial condition of the AC casinos. The only exceptions are those who have contracts that guarantee payment in this type of scenario, then of course they should get paid.
Years go I showed up to open my workplace and one of my coworkers had been murdered leaving the business in the middle of the night and the police had taken over the property. The business closed five days for proper mourning and safety evaluation. The company was grossly negligent to anyone that knew the full story of what happened and they made us take vacation or not get paid even though they shared a good amount of the blame for what happened. I still did not feel they were wrong for not paying while the store was closed and I am pretty biased because it was a close friend of mine was the victim and I will never forgive the company for how they created the situation - still I take their side on not paying employees.
Any employee that thinks they are entitled to payment even though they did not work is delusional IMO, especially considering the financial condition of the AC casinos. The only exceptions are those who have contracts that guarantee payment in this type of scenario, then of course they should get paid.
October 31st, 2012 at 5:38:27 PM
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But you said the newest casino, bring Revel into it. Do you know how Borgata, AC Club, Trump or Caesars is dealing with it. AC is struggling and this storm doesn't help anyone. But to say they should just pay people for not working and singling out Revel is wrong. Is WAWA playing EE's? What about Fred's Tavern or any other business along the shore? Most small or large business owners are losing because of this and any goodwill with employees is probably not a financial option.
October 31st, 2012 at 5:48:41 PM
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Quote: BozBut you said the newest casino, bring Revel into it. Do you know how Borgata, AC Club, Trump or Caesars is dealing with it. AC is struggling and this storm doesn't help anyone. But to say they should just pay people for not working and singling out Revel is wrong. Is WAWA playing EE's? What about Fred's Tavern or any other business along the shore? Most small or large business owners are losing because of this and any goodwill with employees is probably not a financial option.
I didn't name any names and I only have sources at a few casinos so, I cannot comment on other properties.
October 31st, 2012 at 6:00:20 PM
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New casino on the block??? Either Revel, 2012 or Borgata 2003.
October 31st, 2012 at 6:55:00 PM
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There is absolutely no 'law' that requires an employer under these circumstances to pay its employees for missing work due to a natural disaster. It might be in a Union contract to do so, but that is it.
Now, doing the right thing for one's workforce from a Moral/Philosophical standpoint is another thing entirely.
Now, doing the right thing for one's workforce from a Moral/Philosophical standpoint is another thing entirely.
October 31st, 2012 at 7:04:16 PM
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Further North on the Jersey Shore are smashed and sand-buried Amusement parks, vendor-stands, and boardwalks.
I'd say, if the Casinos pay their employees by using sick/vacation pay... thats more than required.
I'd say, if the Casinos pay their employees by using sick/vacation pay... thats more than required.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
October 31st, 2012 at 8:36:20 PM
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When I hear stories like this it reminds me that I'm glad to be salaried (exempt).
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October 31st, 2012 at 8:39:01 PM
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Those ungrateful employees need to be fired.
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November 1st, 2012 at 4:42:42 AM
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Quote: BuzzardThose ungrateful employees need to be fired.
If they squawk too much I don't doubt that they would be fired. Remember, this is the place that requires employees to reapply for their jobs every three or four years.
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November 1st, 2012 at 4:51:59 AM
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Pay? Are you talking about the hourly minimum that is but a fraction of the normal compensation?
November 1st, 2012 at 7:27:38 AM
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Quote: 1BBIf they squawk too much I don't doubt that they would be fired. Remember, this is the place that requires employees to reapply for their jobs every three or four years.
Well, we can not have employees getting extra weeks of vacation, earning retirement benefits, or slowing down with age.
After all, we are a casino offering great benefits to the community and our share holders.
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Nor give the heart
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November 1st, 2012 at 9:00:19 AM
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Ding, ding, ding.Quote: aceofspadesIt's not liberalism, at least from my point of view. As a business owner,
this would be something I would do for an employee as a morale booster.
Right answer.
I work at an electrical supply company. We closed at noon on Monday and didn't open on Tuesday.
Anyone who worked on Monday morning, got paid for Mondy afternoon. This was free pay - not taken out of vacation time.
Anyone who worked on Monday and Wednesday, got paid for Monday afternoon and Tuesday. Also, not taken out of vacation time.
Anyone who didn't work on Monday or Wednesday had the option of taking vacation time, or simply not being paid.
It's all about whether the employee would have worked if work was offered. If so, pay him. If not, he's on his own.
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November 1st, 2012 at 4:31:54 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearDing, ding, ding.
Right answer.
I work at an electrical supply company. We closed at noon on Monday and didn't open on Tuesday.
Anyone who worked on Monday morning, got paid for Mondy afternoon. This was free pay - not taken out of vacation time.
Anyone who worked on Monday and Wednesday, got paid for Monday afternoon and Tuesday. Also, not taken out of vacation time.
Anyone who didn't work on Monday or Wednesday had the option of taking vacation time, or simply not being paid.
It's all about whether the employee would have worked if work was offered. If so, pay him. If not, he's on his own.
So your company punished the guy that couldn't make it to work on Wednesday because his house was gone and he had to deal with it? What a nice company. It was incentive to come to work so the lazy fart who would have taken the day off because he had a good excuse actually got paid double time for working Wednesday.
Maybe all the employees should work a few days for free to help the business recover ;). To me that makes as much sense as covering the act of god for the employees.
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November 1st, 2012 at 5:09:10 PM
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P.S. It was also about making the effort to work.Quote: DJTeddyBearIt's all about whether the employee would have worked if work was offered. If so, pay him. If not, he's on his own.
Someone who came in, even though they had a good excuse, got rewarded. Those that didn't, didn't.
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November 2nd, 2012 at 4:20:37 PM
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As of Yesterday, (Thurs.) Gov. Christy announced a special emergency unemployment compensation for the affected Counties (all that touch the shoreline, at least).
So the gov't kicked in a few bucks as well.
So the gov't kicked in a few bucks as well.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
November 5th, 2012 at 6:31:17 PM
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Quote: 98ClubsAs of Yesterday, (Thurs.) Gov. Christy announced a special emergency unemployment compensation for the affected Counties (all that touch the shoreline, at least).
Seeing as how he declared the state of emergency that was aimed at keeping the peasantry out of any and all circulation, that program has so far shown to be not very much more than pr.
