Obamacare
Quote: Beethoven9thLove how you ignored AZ's message. Don't blame you though. It must be embarrassing to continually use silly arguments.
Just make shit up when it suits you? I haven't ignored his message. I already said earlier the veterans system is not perfect, and the private practice is expensive and has malpractice as well. Maybe those conservative politician should do more than pay lip service to the military.
Quote: Beethoven9thLove how you ignored AZ's message. Don't blame you though. It must be embarrassing to continually use silly arguments.
Just make shit up when it suits you? I haven't ignored his message. I already said earlier the veterans system is not perfect, and the private practice is expensive and has malpractice as well. Maybe those conservative politician should do more than pay lip service to the military.
Quote: rxwineJust make shit up when it suits you?...I already said earlier the veterans system is not perfect
So you mean it doesn't "work" as well as you had implied earlier? Glad you finally came around.
BTW, why do you swear so much? You must be getting really mad.
Quote: Beethoven9thSo you mean it doesn't "work" as well as you had implied earlier? Glad you finally came around.
BTW, why do you swear so much? You must be getting really mad.
You know what I said earlier. I never implied perfection.
"Glad you finally came around."
Where again you pretend to make a point.
More loser posts from Beethoven.
Quote: rxwineYou should worry more about all your stupid posts.
My posts can't be that stupid. You take the time to reply to ALL of them. ;)
You're a different story, with your dodgy arguments. But I'm allowed to waste time.
Quote: Beethoven9thNope, nothing dodgy at all about pointing out somebody's silly arguments.
No I can tell the difference between your dodgy arguments and other conservatives arguments. Duffman is generally straightforward though sometimes obstinate. Ron (the one that posts here more often) sometimes gets shouty, but is mostly reasonable. Most of others don't spend a lot of time wasting effort dodging. That doesn't mean we end up agreeing but it's different than the dodgy-ness.
Your best bet is to +1 others posts.
OK, I'll take your advice. (See below)Quote: rxwineYour best bet is to +1 others posts.
+1Quote: Taking rxwine's advice:Beethoven9th - I am now convinced that rxwine is a troll...He brings nothing worth listening to.
is a joke. His company analyzed it and he said it will take
a year to fix, probably two before it's safe. He said one
of the most complicated systems in the world is Windows
7 or 8, and the Obamacare system has about 6 times more
complication than Windows.
How anybody thought the gov't had even a chance of getting
this right is a mystery. The AF Major we have in the family
constantly tells us how screwed up and inefficient the military
is, he's not surprised about Obamacare at all.
Quote: anonimussA friend of mine hires a lot of software programmers for his company. Some were asked to help with the healthcare.gov website. They refused and said it's a mess and the least safe thing they've ever encountered.
That seems to be its biggest problem. It uses
so many insecure hubs that a 12 year old with
a 2004 laptop in Siberia can hack it in his sleep.
Yet Obama zombies maintain that it will be up
and running in 11 days. The experts say 2 years
is more likely. Gee, I wonder who's right.
Governments and older corporations have real problems defining their business processes. They spend so long doing the same thing by the same people that they very quickly fall behind. The company I'm still working with still uses wire payments for the bulk of their crossborder banking because no one has the chutzpah to set up EFT which is about a 6 week project that would save them about $100K/year.
Anywho, no socialist system is utopia. But to say that America's system is anywhere near perfect is myopic at best. Try watching a television source besides FoxNews. Try watching the BBC once in a while. I'm in London right now, and the perspective is quite different. Just look at your health insurance bills year-over-year and tell me that the current system is acceptable.
Oh, and rxwine and Beethoven, get a room! (joking, but 7 day ban worth it).
LOL!Quote: boymimboOh, and rxwine and Beethoven, get a room!
I laughed at that one. :D
OK, it is a joke, but this shows how silly the Obamacare law is.
Quote: rxwineMy argument is veterans would be smart enough to oppose the socialism in [sic] mass [sic] if it wasn't working for them. You got a problem with that? ARE you going to call veterans stupid by saying they wouldn't know better
Well, I'll just use rxwine's own (il)logical argument against him:
"61% of Americans are smart enough to oppose Obamacare en masse since it isn't working for them. You got a problem with that? ARE you going to call 61% of Americans stupid by saying they don't know better?"
I thought that jokes were supposed to be funny. It doesn't say anything about Obamacare that's relevant. Satire is supposed to be insightful, Johnathan Swift's A Modest Proposal is a good example. I've never heard of the writer and probably never will. He should stick to his day job if he has one.Quote: AZDuffmanOK, it is a joke, but this shows how silly the Obamacare law is.
Quote: Beethoven9thAccording to rxwine's (il)logical way of thinking:
Quote: rxwineMy argument is veterans would be smart enough to oppose the socialism in [sic] mass [sic] if it wasn't working for them. You got a problem with that? ARE you going to call veterans stupid by saying they wouldn't know better
Well, I'll just use rxwine's own (il)logical argument against him:
"61% of Americans are smart enough to oppose Obamacare en masse since it isn't working for them. You got a problem with that? ARE you going to call 61% of Americans stupid by saying they don't know better?"
FAIL. Obamacare has only existed a short time so there is very little experience with it. It's like people "just know" they've found their true love. After awhile some have, some haven't, but that's the more important gauge, than early experience with something. Something that will still need fixes, as a matter of fact.
I'm happy to see you keep messing up though, again and again. How many times is this now? Keep trying.
Amid all the ruckus over the first five million policy cancellations, we can only imagine what the uproar will be with the next 50 million to 100 million. But then again, the Justice Department stipulated last week in Federal Court, that the government has known since 2010 what it was forcing to come to pass.Quote: rxwineObamacare has only existed a short time so there is very little experience with it. It's like people "just know" they've found their true love.
Quote: SanchoPanzaAmid all the ruckus over the first five million policy cancellations, we can only imagine what the uproar will be with the next 50 million to 100 million.
Absolutely possible. But I don't think it will be as bad as you have painted it. I'm not worried either way. People who vote the GOP in might get free of Obamacare, but the GOP will be bringing other things they don't like, so it's just a matter of time before "change" happens. Same could be said the other way. But that's the way it is.
Quote: s2dbakerI thought that jokes were supposed to be funny. It doesn't say anything about Obamacare that's relevant. Satire is supposed to be insightful, Johnathan Swift's A Modest Proposal is a good example. I've never heard of the writer and probably never will. He should stick to his day job if he has one.
It is funny in that cars are more necessary than health insurance to most people in the USA. If you doubt me ask the average person which would be easier to do without. And it is funny because the proposed solution would be to just require people to buy more car than they need for their needs.
It is true, liberals have no sense of humor, I guess.
I can't wait to see the reaction in 10 days when the Obamacare website still is not up and running.
Quote: boymimbo
There are at least two studies out there that show that the risk of dying for those uninsured ranges between 25 to 40% higher than those insured, which translates to at least 26,000 extra deaths per year for those who are uninsured.
That said, ObamaCare still sucks. There are some achievements but mostly failures.
Ummm.... perhaps those deaths occur because the people without the ability to pay for health insurance are poorer? They eat more junk food...
They are unemployed because of alcohol/drug problems? Etc....
If lack of health insurance were spread equally amongst all socio-economic classes, all ethnic groups, then perhaps you would have a valid point.
Of course you know that is not true.
Quote: SOOPOOUmmm.... perhaps those deaths occur because the people without the ability to pay for health insurance are poorer? They eat more junk food...
McDonald's makes a cheese burger for a dollar. Already cooked. When you buy cheap healthy vegetables for a dollar you get next to nothing and it does little to curb the appetite. For immediate costs savings it's easier and cheaper to eat junk.
Quote: rxwineMcDonald's makes a cheese burger for a dollar. Already cooked. When you buy cheap healthy vegetables for a dollar you get next to nothing and it does little to curb the appetite. For immediate costs savings it's easier and cheaper to eat junk.
Not sure when a cheesburger became "junk." 3 of the 4 food groups, could be all 4 if you have some toppings on it. And that is why it fills you, veggies alone are not a complete meal and that is why you feel hungry after.
Just skip the "special sauce" if you are watching calories, that is what adds them up.
READ THE ABOVE CLOSELY
now i can dispute that. "the risjk of dying" is the same for everyone. We all have a 100 percent chance of dying.
as was wisely remarked upon,,,,,There are high risk people that are in the category of uninsured, the homeless, the secotor of the poor that are lazy and wont go to the md that they get for free until its too late...remember some people are poor because they are lazy or mentally lacking. Criminals, drug dealers, morbidly obese people who cant get jobs, illegal aliens.
I can't either since it's currently working.Quote: AZDuffmanI can't wait to see the reaction in 10 days when the Obamacare website still is not up and running.
Quote: EvenBobSaw a software expert today who said the govt website
is a joke. His company analyzed it and he said it will take
a year to fix, probably two before it's safe. He said one
of the most complicated systems in the world is Windows
7 or 8, and the Obamacare system has about 6 times more
complication than Windows.
How anybody thought the gov't had even a chance of getting
this right is a mystery. The AF Major we have in the family
constantly tells us how screwed up and inefficient the military
is, he's not surprised about Obamacare at all.
True. We know how screwed up out education system is with govt intervention. Our postal service is billions in debt. and why would we thinkl the govt intervention in the healthcare system would be any different. The govt interviened by pushing banks to give mortgages to people who really cant afford it...and the banking system, and the housing market was shot to hell. because of it. We will pay for that for generations.
I am sure you remember in the 60's or early 70's there was a shocking report at the time of the space program paying 600 dollars for a simple hammer. Back then it was a shocking report. Now its ho hum news. Its an expected occurance.
Quote: AZDuffmanNot sure when a cheesburger became "junk." 3 of the 4 food groups, could be all 4 if you have some toppings on it. And that is why it fills you, veggies alone are not a complete meal and that is why you feel hungry after.
Just skip the "special sauce" if you are watching calories, that is what adds them up.
Depends on what you're comparing it to. Red meat vs, chicken or fish, white bread vs. whole grain, fatty cheese compared to lean, green slime compared to ? (yeah, they got rid of the green slime.) I'm sure they got rid of some saturated fat now too. So that's an improvement
And I have no idea, but suspect the beef is the lowest bidder, shot full of antibiotics, on farms that do their best not to spend any extra money on safe and clean environments than the very minimum required by law. The very minimum required by law only ensures you aren't killed right off. No one is allowed to do that. Anything bad long term might be okay if it saves money.
Quote: s2dbakerI can't either since it's currently working.Quote: AZDuffmanI can't wait to see the reaction in 10 days when the Obamacare website still is not up and running.
...as well as a Yugo.
You need a sense of humor. I thought it was hilarious.Quote: s2dbakerI thought that jokes were supposed to be funny.
"You got a problem with that? ARE you going to call 61% of Americans stupid by saying they don't know better?"Quote: rxwineFAIL. Obamacare has only existed a short time so there is very little experience with it.
So you do have a problem with that? You ARE calling 61% of Americans stupid???
61% of Americans disagree. "ARE you going to call 61% of Americans stupid by saying they don't know better?"Quote: rxwineAbsolutely possible. But I don't think it will be as bad as you have painted it.
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An independent analysis predicts a second wave of 50 million to 100 million insurance policy cancellations next fall
Guess rxwine wants 50-100 million people to actually lose their coverage before they complain. Kinda like wanting someone to get robbed before they can complain about crime. *facepalm*
Quote:The U.S. Supreme Court's ruling on Wednesday that same-sex couples are eligible for federal benefits will mean more gays and lesbians can reap the benefits of President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul that take effect Jan. 1, advocates say.
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/gay-couples-obamacare-benefits/2013/06/27/id/512265#ixzz2lFgSZXM5
Quote: Beethoven9thLooks like rxwine has made yet a third reference to gays from out of the blue. Freudian slip? lol
I told you, your posts are so boring, every time you address a post of mine, I will add a new element. All gay related posts to the subject at hand.
Quote: rxwineI told you, your posts are so boring, every time you address a post of mine, I will add a new element. All gay related posts to the subject at hand.
Nah, I think it's a Freudian slip.
Quote: rxwineDepends on what you're comparing it to. Red meat vs, chicken or fish, white bread vs. whole grain, fatty cheese compared to lean, green slime compared to ? (yeah, they got rid of the green slime.) I'm sure they got rid of some saturated fat now too. So that's an improvement
And I have no idea, but suspect the beef is the lowest bidder, shot full of antibiotics, on farms that do their best not to spend any extra money on safe and clean environments than the very minimum required by law. The very minimum required by law only ensures you aren't killed right off. No one is allowed to do that. Anything bad long term might be okay if it saves money.
You are right.
I look at people who talk about junk food as being part of "food groups" and wonder how with all the media education out there...they can be so ignorant.
When you go to the supermarket you can buy 90 percent lean chopped beef....or you can get the cheaper cuts with more fat.
What type of beef is in mcdonalds hamburgers? Ya think its the more expensive lean beef? Its beef filled with a higher percentage of fat. So that is one health issue..
the fat. Then there is the ketchup and pickle.....HIGH SALT. Then there is the high carbs of the bun.
This is the same type person who goes to the supermarket and sees a bag of gummie bears that has the unbelieveable message on the package..."fat free". Yes its 100 percent sugar and no fat. It is correct. And there are people who will be duped by that claim.
we have the best access to tv programs that have told us about healthy solutions throughout our lives, we have access to the internet to learn about this...and yet ignorant people tell us that fast food, and frozen dinners filled with fat , chemicals, and salt, are great choices because they fall into "food groups".
people armed with partial info are dangerous....as we see with obama care.
Obamacare is saving me 9% and I will have a better plan starting in January.Quote: LarrySpeople armed with partial info are dangerous....as we see with obama care.
Quote: s2dbakerObamacare is saving me 9% and I will have a better plan starting in January.
61% of Americans now disapprove of Obamacare. The other numbers in this poll are fascinating as well:
Poll: Obamacare support, Obama approval sink to new lows
My favorite line: "Just seven percent of Americans think the Affordable Care Act is working well and should be kept in place as it is."
How does it feel to be a 7-percenter, s2dbaker??
Quote: Beethoven9th
My favorite line: "Just seven percent of Americans think the Affordable Care Act is working well and should be kept in place as it is."
?
You gotta wonder who that 7% is, maybe they live in
caves and never get recent news.
Quote: s2dbakerI can't either since it's currently working.
Yes, it is working so well a dog can sign up!
Quote: rxwine
And I have no idea, but suspect the beef is the lowest bidder, shot full of antibiotics, on farms that do their best not to spend any extra money on safe and clean environments than the very minimum required by law. The very minimum required by law only ensures you aren't killed right off. No one is allowed to do that. Anything bad long term might be okay if it saves money.
Actually, McDonald's is anything but a low-bidder buyer. They are price conscious like anywhere else, but have always had higher standards than most for their vendors.
Again not saying it is the best food, but if you are hungry you can do worse than a basic cheeseburger for $1, just skip the sauces that jump the calories way high if that is a concern. Spend what you save learning to cook at home and even put in a small garden in the backyard.
As long as the dog pays its premiums, I'm okay with that since it will never use the services for which it is paying thereby lowering the cost for me.Quote: AZDuffman
Quote: s2dbakerAs long as the dog pays its premiums, I'm okay with that since it will never use the services for which it is paying thereby lowering the cost for me.
A proud liberal happy to take money from a dog so that he can benefit. *facepalm*
Quote: s2dbakerAs long as the dog pays its premiums, I'm okay with that since it will never use the services for which it is paying thereby lowering the cost for me.Quote: AZDuffman
But what if the dog qualifies for a subsidy?
Are its puppies covered till age 26?Quote: AZDuffmanBut what if the dog qualifies for a subsidy?Quote: s2dbakerAs long as the dog pays its premiums, I'm okay with that since it will never use the services for which it is paying thereby lowering the cost for me.Quote: AZDuffman
Quote: SanchoPanzaAre its puppies covered till age 26?Quote: AZDuffmanBut what if the dog qualifies for a subsidy?Quote: s2dbakerAs long as the dog pays its premiums, I'm okay with that since it will never use the services for which it is paying thereby lowering the cost for me.Quote: AZDuffman
In dog years or people years?
