Vegas this Wednesday
Quote: kewljPoint noted, teddys. I will try to restrain myself and limit my contributions to those threads.
kewlj- your contributions are greatly needed. The average blackjack IQ here is very, very low.
Quote: AcesAndEightsI think you had some valid questions since aceofspades frequently mentions the count, but also exhibited some distinctly non-AP characteristics. Now it seems like we're all on the same page: he does some counting, but with a minimal spread and mostly focusing on the social/fun aspect, with an expectation to be slightly ahead over the long term (my paraphrasing, sorry if that's not exactly correct acepfospades).
Anyway, your observations are useful for any other burgeoning APs (like myself), so thanks for your input.
I think Kewl's observations were valid, but, as I believe was borne out in the ensuing thread, some aspects are open to debate (i.e. how to classify how long a session is (I think we now all agree that a session never ends, it is lifelong - and only broken down by year for tax purposes))
Also, is the consensus here that one cannot both seek to socialize and have an advantage at the same time at the blackjack table?
I think I have done pretty well for myself in the past three years playing just this way...
Quote: MakingBookkewlj- your contributions are greatly needed. The average blackjack IQ here is very, very low.
I am sorry for my presence reducing this forum to mere "blackjack socializing"
Quote: aceofspades
Also, is the consensus here that one cannot both seek to socialize and have an advantage at the same time at the blackjack table?
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No, that is not the consensus. Many of us here consider ourselves to be what might be termed Social Advantage Players. As an example, I feel I play Roulette on an advantage basis, but make no effort to elicit discussion on that topic in this forum because the Math Experts will simply insist that this is patently impossible. So it goes...
Quote: midwestgbNo, that is not the consensus. Many of us here consider ourselves to be what might be termed Social Advantage Players. As an example, I feel I play Roulette on an advantage basis, but make no effort to elicit discussion on that topic in this forum because the Math Experts will simply insist that this is patently impossible. So it goes...
Score one for us sociable people!!!
Quote: aceofspadesI think Kewl's observations were valid, but, as I believe was borne out in the ensuing thread, some aspects are open to debate (i.e. how to classify how long a session is (I think we now all agree that a session never ends, it is lifelong - and only broken down by year for tax purposes))
Also, is the consensus here that one cannot both seek to socialize and have an advantage at the same time at the blackjack table?
I think I have done pretty well for myself in the past three years playing just this way...
Of course you can socialize and still have the advantage. It beats staring at the cards and mouthing the count.
Quote: aceofspades
I think I have done pretty well for myself in the past three years playing just this way...
Are you still up in Vegas for the trip?
Quote: EvenBobAre you still up in Vegas for the trip?
Indeed I am Bob...indeed I am :)
Quote: aceofspadesIndeed I am Bob...indeed I am :)
So you stopped giving reports? Thats what we want, to
live vicariously.
Quote: EvenBobSo you stopped giving reports? Thats what we want, to
live vicariously.
Well, here is why I have not given any reports today...
They have had only one $100 table open in the high limit room all day and it has been occupied at all times I have tried to get in there. The reason only one table at $100min has been available all day is because every other BJ table therein is RESERVED - approximately 6 tables - half of which are actually occupied by players playing anywhere from $2500/hand to $10k per hand. As it is Friday night, I am sure that the one $100 table will turn into a $500min table and I will be forced to venture outward on the Strip. As it was 105 degrees today I did not feel like walking anywhere. However, let's see what the evening has in store :)
We want reports.
I think $10,000 is probably more than the combined total amount bet for every single Blackjack hand I have ever played in a live casino in my entire life.
...so I do want to live vicariously.
I've probably made substantially more than that in Slots bets, though. I would be really surprised if I haven't made over half a million dollars in lifetime slots bets.
youre in vegas and you are waiting for a seat?
what's wrong with you?
there are other patches of cabbage al over town!
the whole point of going to ac or vegas is to spread it around
and not let them get to know you too well
Quote: WongBowait a second.
youre in vegas and you are waiting for a seat?
what's wrong with you?
there are other patches of cabbage al over town!
the whole point of going to ac or vegas is to spread it around
and not let them get to know you too well
Yes Wong - that is where the night will bring me - venturing out :)
I hope to have some reports for everyone sometime late tonight
no reason you shouldnt take a break and hit the other three up at that end.
not sure where you are in LV, but i am sure
you are not more than 10 minutes away from another high limit pit...
Quote: WongBolike when you go to that place on the north/east end of the boardwalk in ac,
no reason you shouldnt take a break and hit the other three up at that end.
not sure where you are in LV, but i am sure
you are not more than 10 minutes away from another high limit pit...
Yes but the place at the north end in AC does not have harsh chemicals floating around in the air...as for Vegas - I am not someone who "has to play" to enjoy Vegas - but, I will be looking for a game this evening
cabbies are used to it.
Quote: aceofspadesYes but the place at the north end in AC does not have harsh chemicals floating around in the air...as for Vegas - I am not someone who "has to play" to enjoy Vegas - but, I will be looking for a game this evening
That is the only true winning system, play to WIN, not because you need a FIX.
It was one of those shoes where I think I only had to take a hit a couple of hands - I pressed and spread more than normal and ended up +3k for the shoe
Of course, hindsight being what it always is, I should have spread higher and higher BUT, we all know I'm conservative so total for the trip is +4,115
PS - Wizard, I accidentally flagged Buzzpaff last post (damn iPhone)
Quote: aceofspadesWizard, I accidentally flagged Buzzpaff last post (damn iPhone)
don't worry, he probably deserved it. :)
good run, keep going.
Quote: WongBodon't worry, he probably deserved it. :)
good run, keep going.
HAHA - I intend to keep it going - wish me positive variance!
more?
Quote: aceofspadesShould I "quit while I'm ahead" (insert Kewl analysis here (HEY KEWL!)) or play some
more?
Only if you're never going to play again.
Quote: 1BBOnly if you're never going to play again.
Now there's a thought...
Well, I have been eyeing this Armani suit...
Quote: aceofspadesNow there's a thought...
Well, I have been eyeing this Armani suit...
About half your winnings for that suit?
Quote: 1BBAbout half your winnings for that suit?
Yeah what's the EV on that?
Quote: aceofspadesYeah what's the EV on that?
All the single ladies!
Quote: aceofspadesWell, I have been eyeing this Armani suit...
Unless you can get it at a discount, wait and try to find that suit at a high end retailer outside of Vegas.
Too many of the designer stores on the strip keep prices way high because they know somebody will win and want to spend it in their store. The markups for designer are ridiculous. You're MOSTLY paying for the name and a slightly better wool. You could probably find that same suit at Saks, even at regular price, lower than what you'd pay on the Strip.
That being said, designer suits are pretty amazing and if you can afford one, get it tailored nicely and enjoy it.
BTW, it never hurts to ask for a discount, even in those types of stores. Those salespeople are on commission and will more than likely be happy to give you one if they can.
Quote: TiltpoulUnless you can get it at a discount, wait and try to find that suit at a high end retailer outside of Vegas.
Too many of the designer stores on the strip keep prices way high because they know somebody will win and want to spend it in their store. The markups for designer are ridiculous. You're MOSTLY paying for the name and a slightly better wool. You could probably find that same suit at Saks, even at regular price, lower than what you'd pay on the Strip.
That being said, designer suits are pretty amazing and if you can afford one, get it tailored nicely and enjoy it.
BTW, it never hurts to ask for a discount, even in those types of stores. Those salespeople are on commission and will more than likely be happy to give you one if they can.
Well, I used the Armani name as a catch-all for high end suits. Due to my chest/shoulder to waist ratio, I get custom suits as I like to be able to pick out the aspects of suit design i like most (i.e. pick stitching, ticket pocket, lining, etc.)
There is plenty of time for suit shopping in a town sans a casino.
I slept in and the $100min table in the high limit room was taken all day and, par for the course, other tables were $500min(2D, H17, noDAS, no resplitting) or $1,000min 6deck games or RESERVED
When seats finally opened at the $100min table, management made it a $200min table. I am heading to show later and will check out conditions other places and also see if they open the additional high limit pit here afterwards.
Quote: EvenBobWhy can't you play a $25 or $50 table and bet what you want?
He probably wants a high Max in case he gets an extremely positive count.
Quote: EvenBobWhy can't you play a $25 or $50 table and bet what you want?
Because I want S17 - I need the 2/10% :)
Quote: Mission146He probably wants a high Max in case he gets an extremely positive count.
Ahhh Mission - if only I could come close to the max bet of $50k in the high limit room
I was watching a reserved table earlier - guy was betting $5k to $25k per hand - had a great hand where he had $21k out - double down on 7,4 against a 6 - of course he won - very nice!!!
But, it is all relative to bankroll...as the guy at the reserved table next to him was playing $50k per hand
I'm heading out to grab a cab to the show and then will be back playing tonight - if I have to play $200min I will - if i was forced to play that last night I'd be up a hell of a lot more :)
Quote: teddysGotta love the high limit room at Caesars. It's so high-limitey -- they don't mess around. I have to play Pai Gow Tiles there at some point.
teddys - the tiles table (they only have one) is always $100min so you would be right at home!!!
Quote: Mission146I was referring to the Maximum on the $25/Minimum Tables. I do not know what the maximum is out there, but the $25 minimum tables have a Max of $1,000 at Wheeling Island.
Although I do venture up to the $1k rage from time to time - my conservative nature keeps me usually $100 to $500
(but I am glad you have the faith in me Mission)
Quote: aceofspadesAlthough I do venture up to the $1k rage from time to time - my conservative nature keeps me usually $100 to $500
(but I am glad you have the faith in me Mission)
Unwaveringly so.
However, you do owe me a $100 pull next time you get that Free Play at Revel. My offer of a $10 check if it is a miss v. whatever you would want to give me if it is profitable stands giving you positive EV on the pull.
So I sat down to play earlier (as it is my last day of the trip and I did not play yesterday) - right off the bat, dealer gets 2 natural in a row, followed by a 4 card 21 followed by another blackjack - once this storm passed, the shoe was up and down and I ended the shoe minus $1k
dealer change for the new shoe (a guy I had played with before who is usually deals some good cards my way) - by the end of the shoe I got back $500
annoying side note before the next shoe and after the shuffle a "high roller" asian guy sits down with his wife and someone I assume is either a relative or hanger-on and whips out a stack of hundreds - the dealer and pit boss get through the $10k in bills and IRS information and it turns out the guy was NOT EVEN GOING TO PLAY BLACKJACK - he was awaiting the Pai Gow table he reserved to be ready for his play and decided that he might as well interrupt another table to get his chips rather than wait for his reserved table to be ready- WTF?!?
for some reason, another dealer change (oh, yeah, the reason being the money counting for Mr. WTF! took almost 20 minutes - and, lo and behold it is the original dealer Mizz Natural Blackjack
-however, the cards, but not really the count, were nicer to me and was $100 down on the last hand of the shoe - got my own natural - boom - lol - up $50 for the session after all the nonsense
trip +4050 (BJ) minus $85 sports betting/horseracing
trip +4050 (BJ) minus $85 sports betting/horse racing
I usually play the horses and absolutly got my ass handed to me, but was up on BJ and Craps, and even slots, go figure, over all trip for me, down $500ish. Tons of beers, sol I guess I am even
Quote: JW17Damn Ace I wish I would have looked as I was in Vegas the same time you were. Now we dont know each other, but still I wish I would have known it would have been nice to meet a fellow WOV'er.
I usually play the horses and absolutly got my ass handed to me, but was up on BJ and Craps, and even slots, go figure, over all trip for me, down $500ish. Tons of beers, sol I guess I am even
Awwww - next time? How often do you venture to Vegas?
WOW!!! Simply amazing!
Their marriage has survived variance and led to positive EV...
Elderly couple in casino thread here
Quote: aceofspadesIn the "you don't see this anymore" - I was walking in the casino and happened upon an elderly couple - the man walking with a cane, the woman hunched over - yet they were holding hands. They were only walking at about 1/100mph so, as I passed them I asked them how long they had been together - the woman replied immediately (as I am sure they had been asked the same question many times before) with an amazing number 67 years
WOW!!! Simply amazing!
Their marriage has survived variance and led to positive EV...
Elderly couple in casino thread here
I hope that will be my wife and I one day!
Congratulations on the profitable trip!!! Has Revel made any further attempts to woo you?
I am heading to R in two weeks - they are always wooing me with concert tickets - got Duran Duran coming up as well as the Eagles!!!
