Remember When
After all, I can just grab my pistol and shoot someone with the gun that I bought from a private gunseller, even though I've been in jail a couple of times for abusing my wife... naw, hee haw, this is America! A few scratches on my face -- self defence! Laws be damned. Freedom and liberty for all!
Remember when we could have a reasonable and thoughtful discussion? I don't. Not on this forum anyway.
Quote: HunterhillI don`t think access to breathalyzers would matter,some drunks would drive anyway.
It`s very easy ,Don`t drive drunk.I have no sympathy for drunk drivers.
The dawn to dusk drunks nobody can stop unless LE gets lucky. The rest who just don't want the hassle and ask for a pre-determination of sobriety before driving home can be helped for very little expense. There is a better way to do all this I say, but not a better way to do it and allow LE to make money. I just saw MADD is actually proposing something similar, so maybe it will get better. "Supporting the development of advanced vehicle technology that could automatically determine a driver’s BAC and stop a drunk driver above the legal limit of .08 from driving." We'll see.
Quote: boymimboDrunk driving should be fine. Why should there be any laws against driving drunk? If I want to drive drunk and I happen to kill or maim someone, then I should be charged for manslaughter. If however, I happen to imbibe a few too many but get home safely, what right does some cop have to tell me that I'm a menace to society? I got home safely after all, that's all that matters.
After all, I can just grab my pistol and shoot someone with the gun that I bought from a private gunseller, even though I've been in jail a couple of times for abusing my wife... naw, hee haw, this is America! A few scratches on my face -- self defence! Laws be damned. Freedom and liberty for all!
Remember when we could have a reasonable and thoughtful discussion? I don't. Not on this forum anyway.
If someone took a gun and started shooting it randomly around town, but didn't hit anyone, he or she still has committed a crime. Recklessly endangering other people's safety, regardless of the actual outcome, is and should remain a crime.
50% of marriages end in divorce often with a lot of pain and long term consequences. Lets apply the test and ban marriage. All of our miracle drugs have some side effects and risk. Obviously they should all be banned to. We can apply this logic to almost everything in life.
Madd has been a very effective lobby group but has turned 100's of thousands of normally law abiding citiizens into criminals in the process. They have gone from trying to get the alcoholics off the road to the current goal of zero tollerance and likely from there to reintroducing prohibition, because it worked so well the first time.
Quote: kenarmanthen almost everything needs to be banned.
Pretty sure it's not an all or nothing proposition. It's weighted between pain and gain. Is it a gain, or too much pain?
We probably could save more lives making every driver wear a DOT approved helmet even in a car. No one, or no group, has become particularly powerful or seen enough of a problem to get such a law passed. Probably never will.
Quote: kenarmanMadd has been a very effective lobby group but has turned 100's of thousands of normally law abiding citiizens into criminals in the process.
That's why I'm a member of DAMM (drunks against mad mothers)
Quote: boymimbo
Remember when we could have a reasonable and thoughtful discussion? I don't. Not on this forum anyway.
I remember when we could, it was just before the anti-gun nuts started there religious obsession with trying to convince everyone that just because they dislike guns then nobody should have one.
Quote: AZDuffmanI remember when we could, it was just before the anti-gun nuts started there religious obsession with trying to convince everyone that just because they dislike guns then nobody should have one.
Point, set, match.
turn in your fellow citizen.......2 million in prison and counting.......what ever happened to the idea that a crime included a victim.Quote: FleaStiffMany communities pay bounty money for reporting drunk drivers... so after making a few such reports from the shadows of some bar's parking lot, a "good citizen" can go inside and drink up his bounty money.
Quote: kenarmanBy the same rational as drunk driving, then almost everything needs to be banned. Drunks are banned and persecuted because a certain percentage of them cause themselves and other member of society problems or harm.
Viewed rationally, drunk driving should be against the law, because the impaired driver is putting at risk the lives and property of other people.
That said, other laws like mandatory helmets for motorcycle riders, or seatbelts for car drivers and apssengers, are wrong. If you don't wear a helmet or a seatbelt, you're putting yourself at risk. That's your choice entirely. Just don't try to pass on the consequences of your actions to someone else later on.
Quote: NareedViewed rationally, drunk driving should be against the law,
That nicely illustrates the problem with most discussion today. Most people are so dug in on their particularly view that they won't actually allow the possibility that there could be some problems with their view. You set up your opinion with "viewed rationally" which by extension means that all other opinions are irrational and not worthy of debate.
Remember when almost no one but the people using it knew what marijuanna smoke smelled like? For quite awhile that included many police officers. I remember police walking through the clouds of recent smoke, (the complaint was about loud music). As far they knew it was just incense.
Your parents wouldn't recognize a pot plant even if you were growing it openly in your bedroom.
Quote: rxwineSome people will remember this.
Remember when almost no one but the people using it knew what marijuanna smoke smelled like? For quite awhile that included many police officers. I remember police walking through the clouds of recent smoke, (the complaint was about loud music). As far they knew it was just incense.
Your parents wouldn't recognize a pot plant even if you were growing it openly in your bedroom.
Interesting one on the plants. I just recently found out that years ago my grandfather spotted a marijuana plant at my aunt's house when we were visiting as kids. This was the 1970s and I will never know all that went on there (all parties dead) but suffice to say it must have been a very wild scene from what I have heard. I don't know how he knew what it was, maybe from being an MP in WWII they got some training. But it seems he spotted it easily.
And interesting on the smell. At an anti-drug presentation as a kid a cop burned some so we and our parents could know what it smelled like. Looking back that is kind of wild.
Being an old fart, I have to sometimes still look at those; they can still be informative.
http://www.weatherforyou.com/cgi-bin/reports/index.cgi?forecast=asus01
One man grew "pot" in NY' Central Park quite successfully for a long time... then along came the sixties and cops started to know what it was.
I don't know about "reasonable'' and legislation, the two rarely coincide in life.
DUI enforcement is highly profitable... that is the only rational point of view that will be considered. (Ever wonder why there is a backlog of rape kits but no backlog of blood alcohol level kits from drivers?).
Quote: EvenBobPeople who never saw the old Vegas will say the new
Vegas is 'cool'. But they have nothing to compare it
to. Vegas isn't cool anymore, its loud and garish and
completely in your face over done. Its too bright and
too crowded and way too touristy. Oh well, things
change and its rarely for the better.
I wish I had been able to experience "old" Vegas. I still like it plenty fine now (coming up on 9 trips since 2008!) but I have a feeling I would have really enjoyed the atmosphere back in the halcyon days of the Rat Pack.
Plus, the blackjack games were better :). Oh well, I was born a few decades too late.
Quote: treetopbuddyVegas, has been describe to be by several friends as "cheesy"
On a recent trip to Vegas, we were doing a Strip walk with several newbies, starting at the Luxor and heading north. I think about the time we got to Monte Carl, one of the n00bs asked, "are all of the casinos so kitschy?" I kind of laughed and said, well, we haven't exactly been in and out of the classiest joints just yet (Luxor, Excalibur, NYNY, Monte Carlo). Later in the trip she saw Bellagio and Venetian and agreed they were a little more classy. But yeah, the whole place is pretty cheesy.
Quote: rxwineSome people will remember this.
Remember when almost no one but the people using it knew what marijuanna smoke smelled like? For quite awhile that included many police officers. I remember police walking through the clouds of recent smoke, (the complaint was about loud music). As far they knew it was just incense.
Your parents wouldn't recognize a pot plant even if you were growing it openly in your bedroom.
To this day I don't think my parents (baby boomers) know what pot smells like. They are very straight-laced so they never experienced it back in the 60s or 70s.
Yea, I remember neighbors getting polio (I had it too, was paralyzed for a night but "fought it off" the doctor told my parents). I remember comic books for a dime. I remember gas for 29-cents. I remember when there was NO sales tax in New York State, and I remember when the "penny tax" started. I remember my Dad would come home from work with two NYC morning newspapers and two evening newspapers. I remember carrying a dime in your pocket so you could make a phone call in an emergency (Nelson Rockefeller had one sewn into the cuff of his pants). And in 1974-75 I remember sitting in the newsroom in Syracuse, New York with a couple of young TV reporters and we were musing that "if we only made $300 a week we'd be set." One of those "reporters" today is the general manager of a station in Detroit, another is a top executive at the Associated Press and another was Al Roker. Back then we were paid $115 a week and the McDonald's commercial was about a Big Mac, fries and Coke and get change back from your dollar.
One printer at our office takes forever to warm up when you send a certain kind of print job. While waiting for it I mumbled that I was going to go find a dot-matrix printer than was faster. So the "kid" working with me asked about them. I explained what they were and he seemed to get it. Then he asked how long a page took to print and had a blank look when I said 5-10 seconds so 6-10 pages a minute.
Didn't even tell him about using old punch-cards to clear a paper-jam.
Do you remember IBM Selectrics? You just looked at the keys and they'd jump.
Your credit cards would need a huge limit. I talked to reputable guys that claim -20k on FPDW at the dollar levels. Not sure if that's even possible, however it was fun to debate because we didn't have access to WOV and variance calculators. I'm sure $2 FPDW sat vacant at the Cortez all the time and you could earn unlimited "steakhouse" meals for wild royals or better.Quote: djatcImagine knowing all the AP strategies back then..... I'd max out my credit cards for some $5 FPDW.
WTF! THAT'S NOT TRUE???Quote: EvenBob
or eating spinach will make you strong because it has
iron in it.
Quote: AlanMendelsonDo you remember the old fax machines with a roll of fax paper?
Do you remember IBM Selectrics? You just looked at the keys and they'd jump.
I remember that fax paper. We had research papers to do at the local college and it was a big deal that you could order journal and magazine articles from Pitt. One poor girl highlighted hers and hours later the ink reacted and turned black. Today no student would believe life before Internet.
It used to be that daytime headlights meant a traffic cop was up ahead writing speeding tickets.
Quote: FleaStiff
It used to be that daytime headlights meant a traffic cop was up ahead writing speeding tickets.
Still true AFAIK.
In fact,
Quote:TALLAHASSEE — Flashing your headlights to alert oncoming drivers that police are lurking on the roadside ahead will no longer be illegal in Florida, though a lawyer who has represented ticketed motorists says a new law legalizing the practice still has loopholes.
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2012/dec/31/new-florida-laws-headlight-flashing-warnings-now-p/
Quote: AlanMendelsonDo you remember IBM Selectrics?
I still own and maintain one in my office.
Once a year, a typewriter repairman goes through it, corrects what needs correcting, and it's good to go.
All the secretaries love it; the newer stuff (Brother, e.g.) is worthless in comparison.
No, it is not used for document prep!
I'm not a complete Luddite.
Quote: MrVI still own and maintain one in my office.
Once a year, a typewriter repairman goes through it, corrects what needs correcting, and it's good to go.
All the secretaries love it; the newer stuff (Brother, e.g.) is worthless in comparison.
No, it is not used for document prep!
I'm not a complete Luddite.
I remember doing word processing on one of these connected to a 300 baud acoustic modem. It would take almost a full minute to refresh a full screen (30 characters per second, 80 character width by 24 lines)
Quote: 1BBRemember when a car with it's headlights on during the day would cause people to point, wave their arms hysterically and almost jump in front of the offending vehicle? How about the first few years after daytime running lights? Same thing.
Before the vehicles were equipped with daytime running lights the RCMP in Canada decided that it made vehicles safer. The first thing they did was institute a policy that all their own vehicles would run with the headlights on in the daylight. It was great since allmost the only vehicles on the road with the head lights on were cops. Never had a problem spotting them. The policy only lasted a few months before they decided cop cars had become a little obvious on the highway.
Quote: kenarmanBefore the vehicles were equipped with daytime running lights the RCMP in Canada decided that it made vehicles safer. The first thing they did was institute a policy that all their own vehicles would run with the headlights on in the daylight. It was great since allmost the only vehicles on the road with the head lights on were cops. Never had a problem spotting them. The policy only lasted a few months before they decided cop cars had become a little obvious on the highway.
Wouldn't have been a problem if their job was really about safety instead of collecting money. Same thing in the U.S. It's almost always about the money.
Quote: EvenBobI visited a place today where I hung out a lot with
friends in the couple years after high school. I
thought how I missed those times, and I realized
what I really missed was how naive I was.
Thats why being young is so much fun, you think
the world is a completely different place than it
really is. As you get older and have more real
life experiences, all your misconceptions and
fantasies fall away. And you're eventually stuck
with the fact that most of life is a letdown.
Stuck in jobs that go nowhere, kids you don't
really want, a marriage you wish you were out
of. Aspirations you had that didn't work out. I'm
not saying this is me, but I know people who
all those things apply to.
But when you're young, you think its going to be
different. Thats what I miss, my rosy outlook on
everything. Now I just stick with whats dependable;
a good book, a good movie I've seen before, a
meal where I know whats coming. Going back in
time doesn't interest me, all the naivete I need to
make it great is long gone.
Just had to bring back a classic post
Quote: treetopbuddyJust had to bring back a classic post
Yup, its even true about Vegas. I feel nothing now
when I'm there. I have no feelings about it whatever.
Its just a place I'm familiar with, like my garage or
my living room. I know what I want, where it is,
and how to get it. I'm bored 95% of the time, but
I remember the days when I wasn't. When I was
young.
Quote: skrbornevryminWouldn't have been a problem if their job was really about safety instead of collecting money. Same thing in the U.S. It's almost always about the money.
I've always called them tax collectors in disguise.
There's only a handful of silent film actors still alive. Most well-known would be Mickey Rooney (who went on to talkies)
There's one in this no-talking Our Gang. If you can guess who, you win nothing. LOL.
Quote: rxwine
There's only a handful of silent film actors still alive. Most well-known would be Mickey Rooney (who went on to talkies)
Mickey Rooney is the only surviving actor who was a star
of both silent and talking pictures. he made over 50
pictures before sound came in and was a huge child star
by the time he was 8 years old. He's been in over 300
movies and TV shows and is 93. He also got to be married
to Ava Gardner when she was young and gorgeous, the
lucky bastard..
By handful left, you can count the living actors of silent films on about one hand now. There may be some very obscure ones left, but they're so obscure, I don't know where to find them.
and if you caused trouble on his bus, if you were a boy, he'd stop the
bus, open the back door, which was 3 feet off the ground, and kick the
kid right out onto the shoulder of the road. This was the early 60's, he
never got in trouble. We thought nothing of it, just like when the gym
teacher made bad kids bend over and get 3 hard licks with the paddle.
Happened all the time. Today you'd go to prison for 3 years.
Quote: EvenBobOnly had one male bus driver when I was a kid. He was an old guy (50)
yep, that's how it was back then, men only. And the guy was "captain of the ship" alright, people thought like that back then.
It was felt that a woman should not drive a schoolbus in probably the vast majority of communities. If there was any thought to change that, you had to consider that there was no power steering, no power brakes, no automatic transmission, no nothing. I think you had to live through the advancements to see how much more confidence women got when it came to driving the family car, even. In "Gender Studies" today in college, the bus driver male domination back then would be instantly portrayed as execrable discrimination without further thought, whereas in reality no woman - OK, almost no woman - who examined what she would be expected to do would have wanted the job.
Today I wonder if more schoolbus drivers are women than men? You see a lot. They are probably the best choice. The job never paid much, and the guys we had, geez. No one I knew ever claimed they were drinking on the job, but even as a kid you kind of knew not everything was right with some of those guys.
Quote: odiousgambit
Today I wonder if more schoolbus drivers are women than men? You see a lot. They are probably the best choice. The job never paid much, and the guys we had, geez. No one I knew ever claimed they were drinking on the job, but even as a kid you kind of knew not everything was right with some of those guys.
In grade school in the 70s most of our drivers were women and any men doing it were clearly on a second career. There was a really steep hill we had to go up with a light at the top and ours would sit at the bottom of it and time the light so she did not have to clutch on the hill.
It is a harder job to fill now because the CDL requirements are higher than the "school bus license" they had back then. Around here lots of routs have shrunk to using vans.
Quote: EvenBobOnly had one male bus driver when I was a kid. He was an old guy (50)
and if you caused trouble on his bus, if you were a boy, he'd stop the
bus, open the back door, which was 3 feet off the ground, and kick the
kid right out onto the shoulder of the road. This was the early 60's, he
never got in trouble. We thought nothing of it, just like when the gym
teacher made bad kids bend over and get 3 hard licks with the paddle.
Happened all the time. Today you'd go to prison for 3 years.
When we would start to get out of hand on the school bus the driver would take his foot off the gas pedal.......instantly, everybody would sit up, look straight forward and not say a word. He was always looking at us through the mirror above him.....you talk about distracted driving.
Half the teachers had paddles with holes in them......the paddle were aerodynamic to gain more speed
Quote: odiousgambityou kind of knew not everything was right with some of those guys.
Wasn't this Ariel Castro guy a school bus driver?
Dunno why I’m having weird flashbacks today, but my grandma’s Delta 88 popped into my head for some reason. I suppose the “stubborn car” was yesterday’s “idiot light”. At least you could fix those without a computer…
Quote: FaceRemember when you’d get home, cut the car off… and it didn’t cut off?
I always seemed to have a standard transmission when I had a car like that. I'd park it in gear and let out the clutch of course. End of that.
Quote: FaceRemember when you’d get home, cut the car off… and it didn’t cut off? It’d just sit there, chugging away at like 50 rpm. Chugga…chugga…COUGH…plfffbbbt…aHEM…chuGGA…pfffftHUH…CHUG…ahhEHHHt…PFFffff…
…
The car guys always called that 'dieseling'. To this day I
still don't know why it was called that.
