NicksGamingStuff
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November 25th, 2011 at 4:48:31 AM permalink
As thanksgiving has passed unfortunately holiday decorations will come up if they have not already. I do not have a problem with private homes decorating, or businesses engaging in a holiday theme (as they are privately owned and I do not have to go to them) but what drives me crazy is when I see banners with christmas stuff on them or christmas tree lighting in public parks. Nativity scenes are probably not around too much anymore due to complaints from people like me, but I hope this year the religious people will keep their stuff on their house and out of public property. Jesus was not even born on Dec 25, it was just created to steal the Pagan Light Holiday. Anyway that is my rant.
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November 25th, 2011 at 5:35:13 AM permalink
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As thanksgiving has passed unfortunately holiday decorations will come up if they have not already. I do not have a problem with private homes decorating, or businesses engaging in a holiday theme (as they are privately owned and I do not have to go to them) but what drives me crazy is when I see banners with christmas stuff on them or christmas tree lighting in public parks. Nativity scenes are probably not around too much anymore due to complaints from people like me, but I hope this year the religious people will keep their stuff on their house and out of public property. Jesus was not even born on Dec 25, it was just created to steal the Pagan Light Holiday. Anyway that is my rant.



You need to face the fact that the USA was founded as a Christian Nation and that is what the majority prefers. I will give you $500.00 if you find for me the phrase "seperation of church and state" in the US Constitution. Look at any number of old (even newer) doccuments and you will see them dated "November 25 in the year of our Lord 2011."

I don't like Haloween Decorations but I realize that so many people do that it is what it is.

BTW: it appears "Atheism" is your religion (as being opposed to agnostic) so by demanding it not be in parks you are thus wanting to impose your religion on others.

Just a return rant. We now return you to your regularly scheduled blogging......................
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NicksGamingStuff
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November 25th, 2011 at 6:02:59 AM permalink
Well I can see your point but what I mean is : Unlike others I will not take legal action I just dont care, I will just be bitter inside. Yes I do understand this is a christian nation which is fine, I just dislike it when people say Merry Christmas, or God Bless You etc... I say "Happy end of the year holiday season" (seriously). It is hard though to knock someone who says something with good intentions so I just say thank you and squirm inside.
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November 25th, 2011 at 7:51:13 AM permalink
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Well I can see your point but what I mean is : Unlike others I will not take legal action I just dont care, I will just be bitter inside.



Why? Do you get something out of your bitterness?

I sometimes drive past some buildings belonging to the military (offices, a bank, housing, things like that) on my way home. They decorate their facades and the median for Independence Day in September, Halloween in october and Xmas in December. I've no particualr feelings for any of those holidays, but the decorations are very nice. In Christmas they even put on lights on the tree canopies on both sides of the road, so it's like driving throuhg a tunnel amde of light. it brightens things up, both literally and figuratively. Sure, the inflatable Santas are campy and creepy, but otherwise it's very pelasant.

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Yes I do understand this is a christian nation which is fine,



Actually it isn't a Christian nation. I don't think there's any such thing anywhere on Earth, except perhaps the Vatican (if you can regard it as a real country). I've yet to see the words "Christian Nation" anywhere on the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution...

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I just dislike it when people say Merry Christmas, or God Bless You etc...



You know, I minded that a lot more when I was still kind of practicing Judaism (I was, what, 15 at the time or so). Since then, not so much. after all, there's nothing wrong with people wishing me well, regardless of the reason. It's just a general, formulaic even, good wish, carrying a little religious coloring. It's a kind gesture, and not much more than that. You should take it in the spirit it is offered.

I do have gentile friends and acquaintances, too, and will wish them "Feliz Navidad" just the same. It's polite to do so, even if they sometimes stick me with any work that needs doing on Dec. 24th <sigh>

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I say "Happy end of the year holiday season" (seriously).



You should try not to. It just annoys the goyim but otherwise serves no purpose. If you can't bring yourself to say "Christmas," then say "Happy Holidays." save the annoyance and the other ammunition for when it will do any good.
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AZDuffman
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November 25th, 2011 at 12:44:06 PM permalink
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Well I can see your point but what I mean is : Unlike others I will not take legal action I just dont care, I will just be bitter inside. Yes I do understand this is a christian nation which is fine, I just dislike it when people say Merry Christmas, or God Bless You etc... I say "Happy end of the year holiday season" (seriously). It is hard though to knock someone who says something with good intentions so I just say thank you and squirm inside.



Life is too short to go around bitter inside. You may dislike this statement but I say "Merry Christmas" and not "Happy Holidays" because Christmas *is* the holiday. Christmas is a legal holdiday. Nothing else is, unless you want to throw in New Years which I haven't cared about since I was a child and getting to stay up until midnight was a big deal. I've been to Chaunaka parties a few times. (Once on the "9th night"---the hostess was not the sharpest nail.) Had fun, good people, good time. Offended if a Jewish Person wishes me a "Happy Chaunaka?" Why?

Kwanza I think is stupid but would offer a polite "thanks" if given a well-wish. Ramadan crawls to different times in the year not just December, but same thing.

The "squirm inside" is where I have a problem with many atheists. Atheism is about the least tolerant religion there is, evel less than Islam which is very intolerant. I know one who got upset when I said, "The expense of boats is God's way of telling us he really doen't want us on the water." You would think that would be harmless but she said, "Please don't use THAT WORD." (emphasis mostly hers.) "That word?" Can't even say "God?"

I just was taught the difference this week. Only partly knew:


Atheist: states flat out that there is no God. This makes it a "religion" in that it is their belief. Usually active in promoting this, leading to incorrect reading of the Constitution since the 1960s.

Agnostic: Neither believes in a God nor denies existance of one. Usually people in hard science seem to drift this direction. More or less ignore everyone, everywhere when it comes to religion but will be respectful to them if asked to say attend a Baptism or Wedding.

Dietist: Believes there is a God who created the Universe, but is not involved in our day to day lives at all. Kind of as if you would build an ant farm and then sat back watching the ants, doing nothing. To me a little easier to reconcile than the first two for the simple question "what was here 1 minute BEFORE the "Big Bang?" Or less sarcastic if you cannot create or destroy matter how did anything come to be?

Jewish/Christian: Just what you would think, any of 10+ denominations of belief going back to The Ten Commandments, which are a basis for law in Western Countries. Splits came when someone was going too far, or not far enough, off the course for part of the group.
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November 25th, 2011 at 1:38:02 PM permalink
I avoid the whole issue by wishing everyone, "A joyous Festivus for all of us."

Of course, that's just for people I know / am friendly with.

I'm currently writing out my holiday cards for my business. The note I am writing is, "Best wishes to you and your staff for a great new year and a happy holiday." By putting the new year before the holiday throws people off but gets both in there.
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November 25th, 2011 at 2:20:10 PM permalink
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You need to face the fact that the USA was founded as a Christian Nation and that is what the majority prefers. I will give you $500.00 if you find for me the phrase "seperation of church and state" in the US Constitution. Look at any number of old (even newer) doccuments and you will see them dated "November 25 in the year of our Lord 2011."



You are right. The First Amendment states :: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Various intepretations have been offered on the "separation of church and state" on that amendment (dating back to Jefferson's time). The separation was really to avoid the state defining Christian practice (something the British government had been good at doing for the last 200 years), rather than keeping the state to be irreligious/agnostic/atheist.

Of course the US was founded as a Christian Nation. Most Western Europeans were Christian at the time. That doesn't mean it can't change (or stay the same... which ever you so shall decide). Havng been something doesn't mean it should always be so. Several of the founding fathers were Deists as far as I can tell. I don't expect to see a non-Judeo-Christian in the White House for about forty years, though. Or at least not one whose "out".

Atheism is not a religion. It may be a belief, but a belief does not in and of it self make it a religion. People may make the belief of no God into a religion, that's true. I certainly don't care if the government here decides to share the Christian Christmas, or the general Christmas festivities. I've always enjoyed both Christmas and New Year (Christmas in the UK has a fair amount of similarities to the US Thanksgiving, it being a time for family, turkey consumption and general peace and good will to all). And I certainly hope we keep the lights, and tree, presents, nativity scenes and the all the rest out there, in public. Bah Humbug to those who are offended by a wonderful time of the year. I've never seen what the offense if all about.

(Sidenote: Winterval, the idea that Christmas was a banned word in the UK or local governments there is a myth... never happened except in the minds of the more knee-jerk shock journos who like to write the words "PC gone mad" as many times as possible).
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November 25th, 2011 at 3:27:45 PM permalink
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Of course the US was founded as a Christian Nation. Most Western Europeans were Christian at the time. That doesn't mean it can't change (or stay the same... which ever you so shall decide). Havng been something doesn't mean it should always be so. Several of the founding fathers were Deists as far as I can tell. I don't expect to see a non-Judeo-Christian in the White House for about forty years, though. Or at least not one whose "out".



"Several" yes, I think it was about three. The rest were mostly protestant with I think one catholic thrown in. Just saw this on Sunday as I said, forgot a bit of it because it was so intense. The USA had been going less christian because since the JFK Administration it has been harder and harder for a European to come over here and easier for others.

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Atheism is not a religion. It may be a belief, but a belief does not in and of it self make it a religion. People may make the belief of no God into a religion, that's true.



Yes, and that is where atheism falls. Ones who do not "make it a religion" would fall towards agnostic. In the USA atheism and envrionmentalism seem to be the two non-god-driven religions. Weirdest thing I ever saw was an atheist professor who went to an atheist church. Actually used christian hymns and replaced "God" with "Man" per him when someone asked if he was an athiest why was he always talking about church.
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November 25th, 2011 at 3:31:45 PM permalink
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The separation was really to avoid the state defining Christian practice (something the British government had been good at doing for the last 200 years), rather than keeping the state to be irreligious/agnostic/atheist.



In part. You should also consider the concerns of the people who declared their independence. They were concerned about avoiding religious wars, like those that had taken palce in europe between Catholics and Protestants. That meant not pushing religion trhough government, nor government through religion. This concern was also strongly tied to freedom of conscience.

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Of course the US was founded as a Christian Nation. Most Western Europeans were Christian at the time.



A nation made mostly of Christians is not necessarily a Christian nation. That is, it won't have by necessity laws compatible with Christianity only, nor give prefferences to Christians, nor make Christianity the centerpiece and goal of government. For a contrasting example, look at any Islamic nation. For a milder version, look at Israel; it is a Jewish state.

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Atheism is not a religion.



And thank god for that! :P
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November 26th, 2011 at 6:33:18 AM permalink
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I've always enjoyed both Christmas and New Year (Christmas in the UK has a fair amount of similarities to the US Thanksgiving, it being a time for family, turkey consumption and general peace and good will to all). And I certainly hope we keep the lights, and tree, presents, nativity scenes and the all the rest out there, in public. Bah Humbug to those who are offended by a wonderful time of the year. I've never seen what the offense if all about.

(Sidenote: Winterval, the idea that Christmas was a banned word in the UK or local governments there is a myth... never happened except in the minds of the more knee-jerk shock journos who like to write the words "PC gone mad" as many times as possible).

Here's a question: Why do they say "Happy Christmas" over there while we say "Merry Christmas?" I always thought that was something the British came up with (and doesn't Scrooge say it in ACC?) Did they just lose their way and revert back to the plain vanilla greeting? I always thought "Merry" was a nice little diversion from "Happy" Everything Else.
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