HowMany
HowMany
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December 16th, 2015 at 6:19:53 AM permalink
You can teach a man to fish, but he will vote for the guy that'll give him a fish.
terapined
terapined
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December 16th, 2015 at 7:13:41 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

The only thing most can agree on is he has divided the country more than any President in my lifetime, though I was young at the end of the Nixon years..



You are Young
In my lifetime the late 60's early 70's were the most divided.
Protests against the war everyday in Washington DC
Protestors being shot by the National Guard (Kent State)
It was so bad in this country, my parents considered sending me to live in a another country so I wouldn't die in Viet Nam.
The USA terrorized Viet Nam due to an incredibly weak reason, domino theory. Really sad we bombed the hell out of that country just on a weak theory.
Our country back then much more divided then now
"Everybody's bragging and drinking that wine, I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines, Come to Daddy on an inside straight, I got no chance of losing this time" -Grateful Dead- "Loser"
Tanko
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December 16th, 2015 at 9:03:38 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

Yes, it has been spectacular. Inflation under 2%, unemployment down from 10% to 5%, stock market doubled, gays allowed in military, marriage equality, nationalized health care, relations with Cuba and Iran almost normalized, Climate deal just concluded, Gas under $2, housing market rebounded, etc... sadly nothing done to reign in the NRA nor has Guantanamo been closed. Those are two failures, but not for lack of trying.



The Real Median income for Americans in 2014 was 6.5% lower than in 2007 and 7.2$ lower than in 1999.

Real Median Income

In Real Terms, Americans are earning less today than they did in 1999.

52% of all working Americans earn less than $30,000 annually.

Link

The percentage of Americans living in poverty has risen from 13.8% in 2008 to 14.8% today.

That's 46.7 people million living below the poverty threshold.

It was 42.8 million in 2009.

Census

The current U-1 unemployment rate of 5% (if it can be believed), only counts people out of work for 15 weeks or longer.

The more accurate U-5 and U-6 unemployment rates have not improved much at all since 2009.

Bureau of Labor

Gross National Debt has risen from $10 trillion in 2008 to no less than $18.15 trillion today.

The Government Debt to GDP ratio is 100.5%.

The Federal Government must now borrow money to pay the $402 billion in interest on the debt.

If we ever go to war with China, we would first have to borrow money from them in order to do it.

The stock market has doubled thanks to the low interest rates that were designed to protect the banks and Wall Street, by propping up the equities markets.

Corporations are borrowing money at low interest rates and buying back their own stocks.

At the same time it was bailing out the Banks and Wall Street with our money, the Government screwed the Public and increased our income tax rates during the worst economic disaster since 1929.

None of this has helped the Public as the Real Income and Poverty rates prove.

As for that Climate Deal, it requires 'Developed' nations (that's us), to transfer $100 billion annually, using a 'significant amount of Public Funds' (our taxes) to undeveloped nations.

Climate Deal

As expected, China is exempt from these obligations.

We will be paying most of that annual $100 billion. In fact, we'll be paying most of it to China, since they managed to get themselves designated as a 'Developing Nation'.

That means we will have to borrow money from the Chinese in order to pay them the Climate Deal money.

Then we'll have to borrow more money from them in order to pay the interest on the money we just borrowed from them.

Spectacular.
HowMany
HowMany
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December 16th, 2015 at 10:05:50 AM permalink
Tanko- nice post. Well done, sir.

Unfortunately, when the liberal members read it, you'll be labeled a "hater" and a "racist"
terapined
terapined
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December 16th, 2015 at 11:51:49 AM permalink
Quote: HowMany

Tanko- nice post. Well done, sir.

Unfortunately, when the liberal members read it, you'll be labeled a "hater" and a "racist"



Just meaningless stats
The real story
Wall Street and the US economy were tanking at the end of Bushes term
Now the economy is a lot stronger under Obama.
That is the bottom line.
"Everybody's bragging and drinking that wine, I can tell the Queen of Diamonds by the way she shines, Come to Daddy on an inside straight, I got no chance of losing this time" -Grateful Dead- "Loser"
TwoFeathersATL
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December 16th, 2015 at 7:22:22 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Just meaningless stats
The real story
Wall Street and the US economy were tanking at the end of Bushes term
Now the economy is a lot stronger under Obama.
That is the bottom line.


Dear Terapined, where do I start?
Too long, too complicated, I suspect you wouldn't consider any alternatives anyway..
You can teach a hungry man to fish,
Or you can laugh at him and take that fish home for yourself.
My fish dinner was good tonight.
Youuuuuu MIGHT be a 'rascal' if.......(nevermind ;-)...2F
Mooseton
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December 16th, 2015 at 9:07:17 PM permalink
His life is better now than it was before BO took office. He's said so multiple times. That's what matters to him. And that's his short sighted view. Or is it the 'fingers in his ears with eyes shut' view. Either way, he's not reading the links or just doesn't believe our government's websites, which that part would be actually understandable.

And you're right 2f. He wouldn't consider an alternative even if you make an amazing post like Tanko just did. He only votes Republican to try to sabotage the republicans. It's cheating, but not technically, I'm sure PGD would agree, which makes me question why I wrote this even.
$1700, 18, 19, 1920, 40, 60,... :/ Thx 'Do it again'. I'll try
MichaelBluejay
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December 16th, 2015 at 9:56:20 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Just meaningless stats
The real story
Wall Street and the US economy were tanking at the end of Bushes term
Now the economy is a lot stronger under Obama.
That is the bottom line.


Now THERE'S a textbook example of dismissing facts just because you don't like them.

Far from meaningless, what tanko posted are some of the *most relevant* stats.

The economy is a lot stronger under Obama? That's debatable. It certainly depends on how you measure it, but by what's probably the most meaningful figures (real unemployment and median income), the picture doesn't appear to be so rosy.

What's really hilarious is all the people accusing Obama of being a socialist/communist, when his policies are pretty much the exact opposite.
SanchoPanza
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December 17th, 2015 at 11:43:17 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Just meaningless stats. The real story. Wall Street and the US economy were tanking at the end of Bushes term. Now the economy is a lot stronger under Obama. That is the bottom line.

Yup. No "meaningless stats" for us like joblessness, median incomes and the multitudes living in poverty. Nope. Just glittering generalized platitudes. That's really, ahem, meaningful.
Dalex64
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December 17th, 2015 at 2:09:59 PM permalink
The federal funds rate just went up.

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