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boymimbo
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March 29th, 2011 at 10:06:43 PM permalink
Tiger was very much at the top of his game for many, many years (yes, Golf is a game -- we can argue if it is a sport or not, but heck, curling's in the olympics... where else can you get into the olympics and chug a beer while your tossing a rock down a sheet of ice -- sorry fellow Canadians). But the game is extremely mental. Anyone who is at the top of the heap in any game that requires a physical component as at the very pinnacle of coordinating their brain with their body. Any distraction or lack of confidence and the house comes crumbling down. While golf may not require a great deal of physical strength, it does require a fantastic amount of coordination and an intense amount of concentration to make your body translate the swing of your club... plus a dose of luck like my favorite shot of Tiger's at the 2005 Masters. Video here.

This skill which is available to anyone with practice, concentration, and confidence, is what makes golf such an addicting game.

Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on which side of the Tiger camp you're on), I feel that Tiger's done as that elite golfer because of his personal life that has been bared to the public and because of the various feelings that he must be feeling as a result of his actions. He may come back if he gets the mental cobwebs out of his head.
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EvenBob
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March 29th, 2011 at 10:33:22 PM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

He may come back if he gets the mental cobwebs out of his head.



Doubtful, he's too old. If he was 25, maybe. But he's 35 and approaching the end of his best years, not the beginning.
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March 29th, 2011 at 11:00:55 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I have read hitting a fastball is the hardest skill inb sports. To do it right the batter must swing BEFORE the ball actually leaves the pitchers hand. Again, I have read.



Meh. The mechanics of the swing must start before the pitch is released; the pushing off with the back leg, twisting of the hips, rotating of the shoulders...but the swing itself is done well after (relatively speaking) the ball is released. My best friend was a terrific pitcher with curves, sliders, knucklers, the junk ball, and 90+mph heat as part of his arsenal. Of them all, the heat was the easiest to hit, IMO. Pretty much anything anyone threw I could put into play, but I couldn't hit a beach ball with a Flintstone bat if he was a lefty. Go figure.

Baseball IMO is worse than even soccer (or futbol, whatever). Of the estimated 77,000+ games that have been played in my life, I could only bring myself to watch ONE, that being when Ripken eclipsed the Iron Man record. With soccer there's at least the World Cup, which I find entertaining. In any event, they both are pretty terrible, but very much sports that take a good long time and natural skill to be good at.

Whether Tiger's situation takes the title as Biggest Fall Ever remains to be seen. As has been said, golf is probably the most mental sport in the history of sports, and if he can't shake it and get into gear, he'll never recover. And if he doesn't, I'd say yeah, no one's ever fallen farther. Sure Kobe, Rose and a host of others are good examples, but NOBODY dominated a sport quite like Tiger. There's folks close to Kobe's talent, and there were many better than Rose,...but no one could even fathom 20 yrs ago how good a golfer could be until Tiger, and he's just your average Joe now. For the greatest golfer ever to drop off the map, and at the very height of his career, is something else.
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mustangsally
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March 29th, 2011 at 11:06:40 PM permalink
Quote: Yoyomama

Tiger has gone from top of the heap to middle of the road over night. He isn't as good as he used to be. Because of a divorce? Divorce is tough, but he certainly isn't the first.

So any other athlete lost his talent over night because of a divorce or similar situation?


How about this girl's point of view of Tigers fall from the top.
Serves him right. When you have a wife AND kids you do not fool around on your wife, unless she lets you.
And from all the news items, I see it as his wife nailed him in his head, not the one in his pants, the one on top of his neck with that 9 iron or whatever golf club it was, and good for her, and messed up his brain. Way to go Elin!!!
Sure he had things fixed up not to show any damage after a hit or two to his head, but he is now damaged goods.
He will never, never be the same.
Damaged goods, Tiger Woods
I would not want him, of course it would be nice to have his spending money.
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bbvk05
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March 29th, 2011 at 11:10:38 PM permalink
To AZDuffman:

No, you do not start swinging before the pitch is thrown. You shift weight a little bit but the decision is generally made when the ball is about 10' out of the pitchers hand in the major leagues. Sport science is a relatively bad show but they did a pretty good expose on this issue.
Toes14
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March 29th, 2011 at 11:13:51 PM permalink
Nareed - your comment about Kurt Warner implies that he was cut due to failure or loss of talent. That's not the case. He was cut by the Rams due to a combination of a hand injury and a large contract. The emergence of Marc Bulger allowed the Rams to save money at Quarterback.

It's not like Warner dropped off the face of the earth, or was out of the game after that. He was the starting QB at New York the next year, then was the starter in Arizona for the next 5 years. He was a Pro-Bowl quarterback in both 2009-2010. Many people believe he's a decent candidate for the Hall of Fame.

He's probably not the best example of an athlete losing his talent or standing.

As far as Tiger goes, golf is such a mental game that it may take him another year or two to get back to where he was prior to his downfall.
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EvenBob
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March 29th, 2011 at 11:15:51 PM permalink
Quote: Face

if he can't shake it and get into gear, he'll never recover. And if he doesn't, I'd say yeah, no one's ever fallen farther.



If you've ever heard Wood's in an interview, you realize he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, he's a jock. He built a house of cards, a lot of it from bad advice he got from some pro basketball players he hung with. They told him to go for it, do whatever he wanted, he was at the top. Thats fine for BB players, its expected they'll act that way. Not so with golfers. Golf is a gentleman's game, its governed by different rules of whats proper and what isn't. As Tiger found out.
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March 29th, 2011 at 11:42:49 PM permalink
In cricket, hitting a 100mph seamer from a top flight fast bowler is pretty hard too... as the ball will move in the air and at the point of bounce. Yes, you can leave balls in cricket, but you can't leave everything and a mis hit defensive shot can get you out as well. The ball travels a bit further in cricket due to bounce but covers the same horizontal distance.

On top of that, you have spin bowler's who confuse you with both flight and massive changes in direction after the bounce, despite the ball coming in at a lowly 50-60mph.

Course hitting a ball with a flat piece of wood is slightly easier than a round pole, so it balances out (a lot of catches in cricket are from not hitting the ball cleanly and getting an "edge" on the ball). The cricket ball is slightly bigger and heavier than the baseball too. I know that some professional cricketers have tried baseball and have done okay at it, and vice versa, though baseball batters have found the bounce of the cricket ball a lot to get used to.
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zippyboy
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March 29th, 2011 at 11:44:33 PM permalink
Basketball
Tennis
Football
Soccer
__________
Sports


How can you say soccer is not a sport when those players run about 6 miles per game? I'm not a fan, but it's the world's most popular spectator game. Can't argue there.



Bowling
Golf
NASCAR
Billiards
Poker
the Luge
__________
obviously not sports. Talents, yes. Skills, of course. Not sports.

In fact, you can pull a novice off the street and put in the Luge and have him just as skilled as the 'pros'. Oh look, he pointed his toes! What an athlete!
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AZDuffman
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March 30th, 2011 at 6:19:22 AM permalink
Quote: bbvk05

To AZDuffman:

No, you do not start swinging before the pitch is thrown. You shift weight a little bit but the decision is generally made when the ball is about 10' out of the pitchers hand in the major leagues. Sport science is a relatively bad show but they did a pretty good expose on this issue.



That could be what the article meant. It has probably been 15+ years since I read it. The basis was how fast the ball covers the ground vs the speed the bat moves to the "sweet spot." But given how little contact area between the two I would still put it as taking at about the hardest thing in pro sports. Pro sports being NFL, basketball, baseball, and hockey. Sorry to all readers outside North America, that is all the pro-sports we look at here.
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