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January 4th, 2018 at 12:18:32 PM permalink
Thankfully, my wife and I used the last of our free play their last week. The last two times we ate at their Phoenix restaurant we were the only ones there from 6pm-7:30pm.
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January 4th, 2018 at 12:23:51 PM permalink
Wow, fast indeed. Anyone that stopped in here have any thoughts on why they didn't do well?
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January 4th, 2018 at 12:27:06 PM permalink
Maybe everyone else thought it was only for Asians and didn't go. They must have screwed up in other areas as well.
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January 4th, 2018 at 12:34:05 PM permalink
I would say at first it was simply their difficult-to-find location, then lack of games.

When I visited in December 2016, the service was excellent, the food was good, and the games they did offer were decent. But they didn't have roulette, craps, and pai gow tiles. They didn't have much blackjack compared to the numerous baccarat tables. It was quiet on a Saturday afternoon, which was a bad sign. They eventually added pai gow tiles, but by then it was probably too late to get those customers.

Later, I had heard their service went downhill. Hard to recover from the already thin offerings.
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January 4th, 2018 at 12:41:08 PM permalink
Terrible location
I visited it once
Uber driver was not sure where the entrance was and dropped me off next door
Not surprised it closed due to location
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January 4th, 2018 at 12:46:06 PM permalink
I feel bad for them but they will.open under other name.
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January 4th, 2018 at 12:48:36 PM permalink
"Lucky Dragon officially opened Dec. 3, 2016, thanks in great part to EB-5 financing. With EB-5 financing, investors (typically from Asia) contribute funds to projects and get green cards in return."

Could it be the casino was a "...if this works, great, but I received what I really needed..." situation?
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January 4th, 2018 at 1:09:08 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Wow, fast indeed. Anyone that stopped in here has any thoughts on why they didn't do well?

Probably because they sent FreePlay 2 weeks late after it had expired. They screwed with some AP's. They locked my card just before this suddenly happened. Coincidence? You Decide.
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January 4th, 2018 at 1:47:01 PM permalink
Quote: IndyJeffrey

"Lucky Dragon officially opened Dec. 3, 2016, thanks in great part to EB-5 financing. With EB-5 financing, investors (typically from Asia) contribute funds to projects and get green cards in return."

Could it be the casino was a "...if this works, great, but I received what I really needed..." situation?



I heard the investors didn't get their green cards and cut off their funding. Don't know how true that is and I'm sure various stories will come out about the closure.
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January 4th, 2018 at 1:53:35 PM permalink
Quote: Mikey75

I heard the investors didn't get their green cards and cut off their funding. Don't know how true that is and I'm sure various stories will come out about the closure.

I thought that was SLS?
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January 4th, 2018 at 1:54:13 PM permalink
Quote: Mikey75

I heard the investors didn't get their green cards and cut off their funding. Don't know how true that is and I'm sure various stories will come out about the closure.



Now Trump has killed casinos in 2 states!
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January 4th, 2018 at 3:00:32 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I thought that was SLS?



I think your right Axel. I had the two confused.
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January 4th, 2018 at 3:55:39 PM permalink
Stupid question, perhaps, but here goesL Do wealthy Asians still come to Las Vegas to play baccarat like they once did?

One would think that the new casinos opening at Macao would have pretty much ended that.
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January 4th, 2018 at 4:38:27 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Stupid question, perhaps, but here goesL Do wealthy Asians still come to Las Vegas to play baccarat like they once did?

One would think that the new casinos opening at Macao would have pretty much ended that.



All casinos are catering to wealthy Asians
Even here in little ol Tampa
Our Seminole Hard Rock Casino caters to Asians. Asian food and Asian games such as Pai Gow tiles. A part of the casino is dedicated just to Asians.
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January 4th, 2018 at 4:40:05 PM permalink
The whole thing was a green card scam. 120 families funded 500k for total 60million. You have to have a 500k at risk investment that employs 10 people for a year to get a permanent green card. You automatically get the permanent green card if the project fails after first year.
That is why they had more workers than players on the floor 90% of the time. Unfortunately there was free play lost. I had just used a comp in the Ocean place. Uggggh.....the food was to Chinese for me.(sort of an inside joke)

The bigger question is how much Chinese gang money was laundered during their existence.
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January 4th, 2018 at 6:20:02 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

The whole thing was a green card scam.
The bigger question is how much Chinese gang money was laundered during their existence.


Investors wanted a Green Card and an ongoing business, but it was probably a scam from the beginning. I mean any casino that can't put up a few signs about 'main entrance' just ain't trying to get customers.
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January 4th, 2018 at 7:25:03 PM permalink
Supposedly they are re-organizing and will re-open within 6 months. If they can hang on until the Genting mega-resort opens across the street, they may be okay in the long run.
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January 4th, 2018 at 9:08:51 PM permalink
They have 6 months or they lose their license.
I wonder what is going to happen to the progressives?
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January 4th, 2018 at 9:23:32 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

They have 6 months or they lose their license.
I wonder what is going to happen to the progressives?



As I understand it, they could open for as little as a day in a limited capacity and it would qualify. I could be wrong, though. Isn’t that what they did to keep the Las Vegas Club and Mermaids licenses going?
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January 4th, 2018 at 9:25:42 PM permalink
I have to find the article about that. There was something weird and different about this situation.
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January 4th, 2018 at 9:39:53 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

I have to find the article about that. There was something weird and different about this situation.



https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/2-closed-las-vegas-casinos-to-open-temporarily-to-preserve-licenses/
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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January 4th, 2018 at 9:56:30 PM permalink
Quote

If the Lucky Dragon hires an outside company to operate its casino, the new operator would have to reapply for a gaming license and go before the Nevada Gaming Control Board and Nevada Gaming Commission for approval.

Nevada Gaming Commission Chairman Dr. Tony Alamo, who was aware of the impending closing about a week ago, said it is possible, from a regulatory standpoint, for the resort to meet its six-month deadline to reopen the casino.

“It depends on who (the new operator) is,” Alamo said. “If it’s someone who is known to us, it is very doable. If they are not known to us and it requires an extensive investigation, it may not be.”

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2018/jan/04/lucky-dragon-halts-gaming-restaurant-operations-to/
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January 4th, 2018 at 10:07:43 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

Quote

If the Lucky Dragon hires an outside company to operate its casino, the new operator would have to reapply for a gaming license and go before the Nevada Gaming Control Board and Nevada Gaming Commission for approval.

Nevada Gaming Commission Chairman Dr. Tony Alamo, who was aware of the impending closing about a week ago, said it is possible, from a regulatory standpoint, for the resort to meet its six-month deadline to reopen the casino.

“It depends on who (the new operator) is,” Alamo said. “If it’s someone who is known to us, it is very doable. If they are not known to us and it requires an extensive investigation, it may not be.”

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2018/jan/04/lucky-dragon-halts-gaming-restaurant-operations-to/



Good link!

Given what Alamo said, it seems like they could contract an operator known to the NGC to operate it for one day, if needed...but maybe I’m reading too much into that.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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January 4th, 2018 at 10:42:03 PM permalink
There is a firm that does just that. Operate casinos solely to maintain minimum services to keep licenses active. They can even arrange for all the power and safety equipment, etc. All their key personnel are licensed. Minimum services for a minimum period of time just to protect the license while negotiations for some sale are underway.
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January 4th, 2018 at 11:06:41 PM permalink
So they were trying to attract an Asian crowd with an Asian theme?

Isn't the point of going on a vacation to a different country because you want to experience that culture and different things?

I would not go to Asia and want to eat American food.

I would not go to Asia and want to stay at an American themed casino unless it was something really special that they didn't have here in the USA. I would obviously want the employees to speak English. I know they can be very superstitious and they have certain customs and traditions but I would have to think that stuff can also be incorporated somehow.

Why would the higher limit players want to gamble at such a small casino?

Who comes to Vegas just to be cooped up and gamble in such a small uneventful place? I have to imagine, the first thing people do who are staying there is hit the more interesting casinos.

One might choose to gamble there if they the casino was offering better value and odds or something significantly extra.
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January 5th, 2018 at 2:26:30 AM permalink
Lucky dragon will reopen
THe misinformation in this thread is unreal.
THe high end business was really strong. The issue was the middle and low end business was awful. Walking through you would not have seen the high end business as it was All behind closed doors
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January 5th, 2018 at 5:42:28 AM permalink
Quote: Luckydragon

Lucky dragon will reopen
THe misinformation in this thread is unreal.
THe high end business was really strong. The issue was the middle and low end business was awful. Walking through you would not have seen the high end business as it was All behind closed doors



I wonder what Lucky Dragon did to already get banned since they just joined today and only have this post. I am guessing that they were a spammer?
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January 5th, 2018 at 5:50:53 AM permalink
Quote: Nathan

I wonder what Lucky Dragon did to already get banned since they just joined today and only have this post. I am guessing that they were a spammer?


I was wondering the same
I appreciated his post. Not spam to me
He may be able to shed more light on this situation
I was hoping to see more detailed posts from him regarding what he views as misinformation in this thread
Let him post
Lets hear the other side
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January 5th, 2018 at 5:54:31 AM permalink
Im guessing it's a previously banned member.
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January 5th, 2018 at 6:45:52 AM permalink
It's WoN. I am required to ban the dupe ID.
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January 5th, 2018 at 7:33:43 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

It's WoN. I am required to ban the dupe ID.

I understand the need to enforce existing rules though it would be nice to allow a person to post both as someone interested in gambling and also as an official of a particular gambling related entity.
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January 5th, 2018 at 9:41:26 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I understand the need to enforce existing rules though it would be nice to allow a person to post both as someone interested in gambling and also as an official of a particular gambling related entity.



Are you saying WoN worked there? I would love to hear that story if true.
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January 5th, 2018 at 10:18:11 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

It's WoN. I am required to ban the dupe ID.



Oh my God. WON again? That guy just won't quit. He's like the Energizer Bunny! I'm 100 percent sure that he was the "Newbie" whose very screen name was cussing me out.
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January 5th, 2018 at 10:40:38 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

There is a firm that does just that. Operate casinos solely to maintain minimum services to keep licenses active. They can even arrange for all the power and safety equipment, etc. All their key personnel are licensed. Minimum services for a minimum period of time just to protect the license while negotiations for some sale are underway.



This is one of my favorite articles about Las Vegas of all time: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/09/us/09casino.html

I want to show up to one of these one day just to say I did!
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January 5th, 2018 at 10:48:15 AM permalink
Oh my, look at the photos of the casino's one-year anniversary celebration!

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/lucky-dragon-temporarily-shuts-gaming-restaurant-operations/
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January 5th, 2018 at 10:57:04 AM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Maybe everyone else thought it was only for Asians and didn't go. They must have screwed up in other areas as well.


Do Asian themed casino’s really attract Asian players?

Or anyone for that matter??
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January 5th, 2018 at 11:04:44 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Do Asian themed casino’s really attract Asian players?

Or anyone for that matter??



In Tampa, the Seminole Hard Rock does well with Asians
Baccarat and Pai Gow tiles tables pretty active in the Asian section of the Casino every time I visit
This casino does so well, they don't need Asians but might as well grab that market as well.
It has no competition for hundreds of miles so it does massive business. 6th largest casino on the planet
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January 5th, 2018 at 11:14:05 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Do Asian themed casino’s really attract Asian players?

Or anyone for that matter??



If it's a casino, it'll attract Asian players.

I was at del Lago Casino in upstate New York last May, and I looked around thinking, "Hm. I'm the only Asian guy here. Where are my peeps?" I walked past the baccarat table and, sure enough, they were all there.
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January 5th, 2018 at 11:22:31 AM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Do Asian themed casino’s really attract Asian players?

Or anyone for that matter??



It is a huge turn-off to me. If I win the lottery tonight, I'm going to open a casino which has stairs at the entrance (and whatever else is the opposite of Feng Shui), and all slot machines will have a "4" in it somewhere... minimum bet 40 cents, 4 lines, a cherry pays 4 (instead of 2), whatever it takes to keep those people out. They are not only superstitious to an absurd degree, they're also rude. They walk around without paying any attention and you have to constantly dodge them, and if that doesn't work, they don't apologize if they run into you. They slurp their food, spit, burp, abuse the wait staff ... pigs! It's just a completely different culture over there, and I absolute hate it that they take their bad habits here. I haven't been back to Las Vegas in two years because of the hordes of Asians that only grow bigger. I go to Mesquite or West Wendover instead.
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January 5th, 2018 at 11:27:55 AM permalink
The high limit baccarat room at Horseshoe Hammond a couple weeks was packed with Asians. If they're flooding that place, in that dumpy location (yes, they're most likely from the Chicago area), I can't see why LD would fail.
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January 5th, 2018 at 12:05:28 PM permalink
I visited this casino a while back and wrote a review.

The casino just seemed dead, and the management was completely clueless, or they may have been very risk adverse when it came to giving out comps.

I bought in for like $5,000 and played their games for like 4 hours. After four hours, I asked for food and was given something like $20 to the fast food Bao place, after being given a rude run around. The article mentions players leaving and then going to the bigger joints, well, there’s a reason why. The host kind of forgot about me while I was waiting for my comp. I ended winning and went back to the usual casios, ie, the bigger casinos with staff and floor people who at least pretend to be nice.

And then their slots were just stupid tight. It’s like playing slots at McCarran International.

And then to top it of, a month later I get a mailer for a free rice cooker and $10 in free play.

Screw this casino.
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January 5th, 2018 at 12:23:21 PM permalink
Quote: klimate10

I visited this casino a while back and wrote a review.

The casino just seemed dead, and the management was completely clueless, or they may have been very risk adverse when it came to giving out comps.

I bought in for like $5,000 and played their games for like 4 hours. After four hours, I asked for food and was given something like $20 to the fast food Bao place, after being given a rude run around. The article mentions players leaving and then going to the bigger joints, well, there’s a reason why. The host kind of forgot about me while I was waiting for my comp. I ended winning and went back to the usual casios, ie, the bigger casinos with staff and floor people who at least pretend to be nice.

And then their slots were just stupid tight. It’s like playing slots at McCarran International.

And then to top it of, a month later I get a mailer for a free rice cooker and $10 in free play.

Screw this casino.

Your buy-in amount is meaningless. What was your average bet? I would assume with a 5k buy-in it was a nice size average bet. Some people just buy in with a chunk of cash thinking it may help. Everyone I know that played table games got some good fairly good offers from the pit without much play.

I have a feeling there slots are set the same as most all the other slots on the strip. I think it would be hard to tell if they were tight or lose based on a few days of play. Sometimes looking at their VP offerings can give you a hint as to what their overall thinking is when it comes to their slot returns.

p.s. your good offers will probably be arriving by the time they reopen (-;
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January 5th, 2018 at 12:45:38 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

duplicate


A duplicate from Axel??? No Way!!!! 😆
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January 5th, 2018 at 3:12:11 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

A duplicate from Axel??? No Way!!!! 😆



Haha how else would he catch up to eb
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January 5th, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

A duplicate from Axel??? No Way!!!! 😆

You probably have more posts about my dups than my actual dups. 😆
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January 5th, 2018 at 3:29:58 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

The whole thing was a green card scam. 120 families funded 500k for total 60million. You have to have a 500k at risk investment that employs 10 people for a year to get a permanent green card. You automatically get the permanent green card if the project fails after first year.
That is why they had more workers than players on the floor 90% of the time. Unfortunately there was free play lost. I had just used a comp in the Ocean place. Uggggh.....the food was to Chinese for me.(sort of an inside joke)

The bigger question is how much Chinese gang money was laundered during their existence.

so these 120 families basically bought their green card for $500k?

if so, the US govt should just have a program to get a green card for $500k and cut out the middle man.

and if you have $500k to burn, why the US?
why not England/Germany/Canada/some other 1st World country?
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January 5th, 2018 at 3:30:49 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You probably have more posts about my dups than my actual dups. 😆


Highly doubtful!
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January 5th, 2018 at 4:37:14 PM permalink
Quote: KevinAA

. I haven't been back to Las Vegas in two years because of the hordes of Asians that only grow bigger. I go to Mesquite or West Wendover instead.

Ah,,,, Mesquite. Yes. Asian owned casino there.
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January 5th, 2018 at 4:50:33 PM permalink
Part of their issue was that being an independent property, they could not compete with CET, MGM, Boyd,and Stations properties that had large databases of players.

They expected that just because they opened the doors with an Asian theme, all the Asian players would stop playing at their current properties and flock to the Lucky Dragon.

If you want to see where all the local Asian players are, try looking at the Gold Coast, Palace Station, Orleans, Palms.
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