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May 20th, 2016 at 1:32:30 PM permalink
I saw a story at Vegas Seven that Downtown Grand upgraded keno payouts to 95%.

http://vegasseven.com/2016/05/19/better-video-keno-downtown-grand/

The article states "In an email sent to players last month, the Grand claimed to offer the “loosest video keno payables” in town (at Furnace bar only), and it does!"

I'm not sure if "loosest" falls under a claim a casino must prove, but it is not accurate. El Cortez offers better video keno than that. The machines that spread the looser pay tables across many games even show the percentage return for the game on the screen as you go from game to game and between denominations. Dotty's has looser video keno pay tables, too.

I recall Wizard challenging a claim through Gaming by FSE or maybe it was Las Vegas Club. I can't find that article. I alerted DTG that their claim was inaccurate but they didn't respond.

Does anyone have this email Vegas Seven quotes?

Edit: I can't fix the typo in the title. It is only one claim, I suppose.
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May 20th, 2016 at 1:40:13 PM permalink
Quote: Pokeraddict

I saw a story at Vegas Seven that Downtown Grand upgraded keno payouts to 95%.

http://vegasseven.com/2016/05/19/better-video-keno-downtown-grand/

The article states "In an email sent to players last month, the Grand claimed to offer the “loosest video keno payables” in town (at Furnace bar only), and it does!"

I'm not sure if "loosest" falls under a claim a casino must prove, but it is not accurate. El Cortez offers better video keno than that. The machines that spread the looser pay tables across many games even show the percentage return for the game on the screen as you go from game to game and between denominations. Dotty's has looser video keno pay tables, too.

I recall Wizard challenging a claim through Gaming by FSE or maybe it was Las Vegas Club. I can't find that article. I alerted DTG that their claim was inaccurate but they didn't respond.

Does anyone have this email Vegas Seven quotes?

Did you check all the keno paytables? I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the fact that it's come out that Plaza has "good Video keno".

Casinos should have to prove their claims.
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May 20th, 2016 at 1:44:41 PM permalink
I took Anthony Curtis' article at face value where he broke down the DTG keno pay tables. I assumed his work to be accurate but maybe I shouldn't have? The El Cortez machines with the better pay tables display the RTP. I went there last night to confirm those devices were still installed at EC and they were.

I wondered if Plaza would beat DTG but I figured once I found the claim to be inaccurate there wasn't much point in looking for more. I knew it was a dubious claim as soon as I read that V7 article.

I don't play or survey video keno and knew that 95% wasn't the best video keno out there. I would think DTG would have done at least a little homework before putting that out there in promotional material.
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May 20th, 2016 at 1:51:38 PM permalink
Quote: Pokeraddict

I took Anthony Curtis' article at face value where he broke down the DTG keno pay tables. I assumed hos work to be accurate but maybe I shouldn't have? The El Cortez machines with the better pay tables display the RTP. I went there last night to confirm those devices were still installed at EC and they were.

I wondered if Plaza would beat DTG but I figured once I found the claim to be inaccurate there wasn't much point in looking for more. I knew it was a dubious claim as soon as I read that V7 article.

I don't play or survey video keno and knew that 95% wasn't the best video keno out there. I would think DTG would have done at least a little homework before putting that out there in promotional material.



I highly doubt DTG has better paytables on VP, that's a stretch for sure unless they drastically changed something.

It's worth checking out.

There need to be more generous with free play IMO.

DTG 8/5 bonus was the best I thought they had.

Plaza has 100.65 and lots of 9/6
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 20th, 2016 at 1:54:37 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I highly doubt DTG has better paytables on VP, that's a stretch for sure unless they drastically changed something.

DTG 8/5 bonus was the best I thought they had.

Plaza has 100.65 and lots of 9/6



The claim about "loosest" only applied to video keno.
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May 20th, 2016 at 2:22:05 PM permalink
Can anybody show me something directly from the Grand that states the have the most liberal video keno? I'd prefer to not go off of heresay if I do a big investigation to confirm or deny this.

I might remind you that when the Vegas Club claimed to have the loosest slots downtown and failed to back up the claim, I complained to Gaming. A couple weeks later the Vegas Club changed the word "loosest" to "best," which was okay with me.
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May 20th, 2016 at 2:30:41 PM permalink
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Can anybody show me something directly from the Grand that states the have the most liberal video keno? I'd prefer to not go off of heresay if I do a big investigation to confirm or deny this.

I might remind you that when the Vegas Club claimed to have the loosest slots downtown and failed to back up the claim, I complained to Gaming. A couple weeks later the Vegas Club changed the word "loosest" to "best," which was okay with me.

Why is best ok? Best selection i'll accept.
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May 20th, 2016 at 2:35:18 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Can anybody show me something directly from the Grand that states the have the most liberal video keno? I'd prefer to not go off of heresay if I do a big investigation to confirm or deny this.

I might remind you that when the Vegas Club claimed to have the loosest slots downtown and failed to back up the claim, I complained to Gaming. A couple weeks later the Vegas Club changed the word "loosest" to "best," which was okay with me.



That is why I asked if anybody had the copy of the email quoted in the Vegas Seven article. It apparently went out to players club members a month ago. I'm only going by the article. I suppose the author has a copy of it.

If you want to see the video keno that is higher than 95%, there are three U1 machines right by the video blackjack and roulette machines at El Cortez. For $.50, you get 95% RTP. Each quarter more you bet increases RTP to as high as 98%. There are several keno titles like this. Every Dotty's I've ever checked out had these same machines with the same keno pay tables.

Those machines have been in El Cortez for a year or so. I believe they are the same ones that were once in Las Vegas Club where they were for several years.
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May 20th, 2016 at 2:40:10 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I highly doubt DTG has better paytables on VP, that's a stretch for sure unless they drastically changed something.

It's worth checking out.

There need to be more generous with free play IMO.

DTG 8/5 bonus was the best I thought they had.

Plaza has 100.65 and lots of 9/6



Downtown grand actually put in at least a dozen 9/6 jacks. But nothing above single line quarters....so wouldn't really matter for you but competitive for low stakes rec player with other downtown places now.
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May 20th, 2016 at 2:45:16 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

Downtown grand actually put in at least a dozen 9/6 jacks. But nothing above single line quarters....so wouldn't really matter for you but competitive for low stakes rec player with other downtown places now.

I was thinking $1 as far as 9/6.

I thought DTG was going to embrace skillgaming?
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