MrRalph
MrRalph
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August 6th, 2011 at 6:22:02 AM permalink
I had a interesting encounter with a Paris pit boss at the at the craps tables. I was setting for the seven and rolling more than a random amount I felt and so must he as he started telling me to hit the backwall and I already was hitting the backwall. My dice were landing between the pass line and the backwall every time and were making their way to the backwall. I had another good roll and then switched to a less crowded table with another shooter from our table. I again threw a seven and then an eleven on my come out roll and he started with the backwall thing again and was getting nasty. He and the stickman said " we know what your doing" as if I was cheating or something. I then pointed out to them that there was a guy at the table who had not hit the backwall yet and nothing was said. I also pointed out that although I was having success at the pass line I was actually down for the session from betting on myself and other rollers. They were nasty and unfriendly. This was a $10 table with no real money on it and it is gambling and that the house will lose few bets. I picked up my chips and left. I probably will never shoot dice at the Paris again even though I stay there. I played at the Bellagio and Planet Hollywood the same way with no incident. I think what pissed him off was the way I bet. I place an $10 pass line bet, if it won I stacked it so now I am making a $20 pass line bet if it won ( which it did) I stacked it. So now I am making a $40 pass line bet and if it hits (it did on one roll) I made $70 with only $10 of my own money at risk. We all know the player has more ways to win on the come out than any other bet on the table so it should not of been that big of deal to see some one roll a few in a row. I then dropped back down to $15 and start over. I would also place the 6 and 8 after the shooter rolled a couple point numbers as there were a lot point seven outs at the table. Maybe he was having a bad night but I could see him turning red and getting pissed and I like the Paris so I left on my own.
AZDuffman
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August 6th, 2011 at 6:51:22 AM permalink
Some Pit Bosses need to go back to basic customer service. What may happen is they don't get the concept of "house edge." I've had arguments with dealers who insist 3rd base play in BJ can affect the table. Surely they believe stuff about craps. An unknown but positive number of these dealers move up the food chain.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others
odiousgambit
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August 6th, 2011 at 9:06:28 AM permalink
Quote: MrRalph

I was setting for the seven



apparently just setting the dice was enough to set him off.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
TinhornGambler
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August 6th, 2011 at 9:56:09 AM permalink
The Paris casino is known .... for its “attitude” toward dice setters.
Pit bosses, and crews have made it plain and simple, DON’T PLAY HERE.
heather
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August 6th, 2011 at 11:51:03 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Some Pit Bosses need to go back to basic customer service. What may happen is they don't get the concept of "house edge." I've had arguments with dealers who insist 3rd base play in BJ can affect the table. Surely they believe stuff about craps. An unknown but positive number of these dealers move up the food chain.



I saw an interview with Ed Thorpe in an old issue of Sports Illustrated from the 1960s. When he talked about being backroomed and slipped mickeys by the casinos, SI wanted to know why the pit staff would care so much about one counter when the house edge was so overwhelmingly in their favour over the long run. Thorpe said something to the effect of, "these guys can't even see the long run; they only care what happens tonight." That was like half a century ago. Nice to know times have changed ....
Paigowdan
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August 6th, 2011 at 2:50:26 PM permalink
Most places are reasonable. There are still some dicks in this business, as there is in every business.
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Alan
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August 6th, 2011 at 2:56:55 PM permalink
Maybe they should teach some math to those guys(pit bosses). As long as the game doesn't come to a screeching halt because of 'dice setting' don't worry about it and don't address it. Hit the back wall randomizers and that's it.
FleaStiff
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August 6th, 2011 at 3:02:32 PM permalink
Quote: MrRalph

I was setting for the seven.

So how long was it taking you to do this? From what you described they either noticed your results or your actions and it seems it was the setting that ticked the pit boss off.
vert1276
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August 6th, 2011 at 4:46:18 PM permalink
when I see more than one dice setter at the table I leave, becasue its gonna be like watchin paint dry waiting for those clowns to shoot!
cclub79
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August 6th, 2011 at 5:19:47 PM permalink
Quote: vert1276

when I see more than one dice setter at the table I leave, becasue its gonna be like watchin paint dry waiting for those clowns to shoot!



Really? Most setters do it in 5 seconds. I'm more annoyed by the guys that roll the dice in front of them a bunch of times before the "real" roll.

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