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July 6th, 2010 at 9:23:34 AM permalink
On June 29 I dropped by Hooters to update my blackjack survey. The previous time I was there was to do my Hooters review. At the time of the review I was very unhappy at the many 6-5 blackjack games. If you wanted a pretty Hooters dealer, then you had to play a 6-5 game.

Last week I was pleasantly surprised to see all the table games except one, and not counting craps, staffed by pretty Hooters girls in the ubiquitous tight Hooters shirts. Even more surprising, they had a single-deck 3-2 paying game staffed by a lovely Hooters girl. Doubling was restricted to 10 and 11, with no double after a split, and a $10 minimum. The house edge is not the lowest in town at 0.58%, but that is okay. Almost every "pleasure pit" in town is much worse with strictly 6-5 games.

So to Hooters I say bravo! That was a much-needed improvement.
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July 6th, 2010 at 9:27:26 AM permalink
Good to see that Hooters is trying to make some changes. Now we need other Las Vegas properties to do the same.
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July 6th, 2010 at 2:36:23 PM permalink
Thanks for the update, Wizard (by the way, I've never really been sure how you prefer to be addressed...Is Wizard OK? The Wiz? Mike? Mr. Shackleford?). As I mentioned in a previous post, I'm staying at Hooters in September and was planning on gambling elsewhere, but might have to at least try them out based on this. Is it safe to say that their single-deck game is the only true single deck Blackjack game (i.e. non-6:5) on the Strip?


One more question: did you happen to notice the odds they offer in craps? Your review mentions 10x odds, but the craps survey lists them as only having 3-4-5x. It would be a shame if they've lowered the limit.
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July 6th, 2010 at 3:19:58 PM permalink
Most people who know me through my sites refer to me as the Wizard, which is perfectly fine.

I have not thought of that before, but yes, Hooters would indeed have the only true 3-2 paying single-deck game on the Strip -- with a Hooters dealer no less. If I were them I would milk that fact for as much publicity as possible. I forgot to check the craps last week, but I would assume my review is correct at 10x.
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July 7th, 2010 at 6:58:40 AM permalink
Wizard, I wanted to ask you something about your reviews that's been bothering me. When you report that you played blackjack for four hours at $100-$150 a hand, do you just chalk those losses up to the cost of the review, or are you counting for the advantage? Just wondering why you play at what seems like quite a high level on games that are negative expectation. Feel free to not answer if you want to keep it to yourself.
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July 7th, 2010 at 7:08:45 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

Wizard, I wanted to ask you something about your reviews that's been bothering me. When you report that you played blackjack for four hours at $100-$150 a hand, do you just chalk those losses up to the cost of the review, or are you counting for the advantage? Just wondering why you play at what seems like quite a high level on games that are negative expectation. Feel free to not answer if you want to keep it to yourself.




How about the idea that the Wizard just likes to gamble, like most everone here. And if his bankroll allows to him to play at a higher limit, so what? Based upon his review he said he bet approx $10k while there, I'm assuming at the game with a 0.4% HA. So that's an expected loss of $40 just playing basic strategy.
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July 7th, 2010 at 8:00:44 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

Wizard, I wanted to ask you something about your reviews that's been bothering me. When you report that you played blackjack for four hours at $100-$150 a hand, do you just chalk those losses up to the cost of the review, or are you counting for the advantage? Just wondering why you play at what seems like quite a high level on games that are negative expectation. Feel free to not answer if you want to keep it to yourself.



I play at a level where I think I deserve to have all my charges taken care of, to see if the property is generous in doing so. That is an important part of my reviews. Maybe I overplay what I need to for that goal sometimes. If I lose, then I chalk it up as a cost of doing business.
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July 7th, 2010 at 11:46:11 PM permalink
Quote: OneAngryDwarf

Thanks for the update, Wizard (by the way, I've never really been sure how you prefer to be addressed...Is Wizard OK? The Wiz? Mike? Mr. Shackleford?).



He's often confused for this guy and this here.
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July 8th, 2010 at 8:35:04 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I have not thought of that before, but yes, Hooters would indeed have the only true 3-2 paying single-deck game on the Strip -- with a Hooters dealer no less. If I were them I would milk that fact for as much publicity as possible.



Exactly!!! No doubt this would bring in gamblers
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July 9th, 2010 at 8:24:18 AM permalink
And for what its worth, last year we saw the Todd Paul show
there ( we got free tickets for joining the player's club )
and I thought he was very funny. Not sure how best to describe
him, but he's kind of an edgy, hippie-ish, adult oriented Mac
King.

Mac King, is by the way, our favorite entertainer. Our daughter
got to be on stage with him at one show.
There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
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July 9th, 2010 at 9:04:09 AM permalink
Quote: JohnnyQ

Mac King, is by the way, our favorite entertainer. Our daughter
got to be on stage with him at one show.

Did she like the shadow puppet of the bear?
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July 9th, 2010 at 7:43:15 PM permalink
I think the ending surprised her just a little bit ! I remember
that she jumped !
There's emptiness behind their eyes There's dust in all their hearts They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
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July 9th, 2010 at 7:59:14 PM permalink
Mac's usual comment is that the youngster was not startled; they were just marking their territory.
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July 10th, 2010 at 2:09:10 AM permalink
hooters is just making up for the removal of 25 cent wings from dan marinos menu.
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August 5th, 2010 at 12:09:43 PM permalink
This casino is as orange as Da Coach
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April 24th, 2011 at 4:33:11 PM permalink
Pete and Shortys is the bomb
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May 30th, 2011 at 11:39:56 AM permalink
I asked about craps via their FB page. They responded 3-4-5x odds, $5 minimum weekdays and $10 weekends.
That rug really tied the room together, did it not?
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August 8th, 2011 at 4:06:34 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I have not thought of that before, but yes, Hooters would indeed have the only true 3-2 paying single-deck game on the Strip -- with a Hooters dealer no less. If I were them I would milk that fact for as much publicity as possible.



Their website makes no mention of a 3:2 single deck game, which seems like a foolish omission. The other Hooters fun fact missing from their own website is that their pool is open 24 hours a day. To my knowledge, there are no other Las Vegas pools open 24 hrs. (Is this correct?) Most Vegas tourists could probably care less whether their hotel pool is open at 3am, but I like the concept of no sunburns, no sunscreen, and no crowds...
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August 8th, 2011 at 6:43:20 PM permalink
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The other Hooters fun fact missing from their own website is that their pool is open 24 hours a day. To my knowledge, there are no other Las Vegas pools open 24 hrs. (Is this correct?)



I did not know that. Personally, I can't think of any exceptions. Hooters has a lot of good stuff to blow their own trumpet about, but instead they keep pushing that deceptive $200 promotional free play offer.
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August 8th, 2011 at 6:52:37 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I did not know that. Personally, I can't think of any exceptions. Hooters has a lot of good stuff to blow their own trumpet about, but instead they keep pushing that deceptive $200 promotional free play offer.



Yeah, about 2 years ago, I went in for their $100 promotional free play offer, and it was horribly deceptive. I read later that you valued it at about $5, but I think that was too much. The good thing is that I was able to tell the other 12 people I was with at G2E that it was a sham.
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August 20th, 2011 at 3:21:10 PM permalink
Quote: reno

Their website makes no mention of a 3:2 single deck game, which seems like a foolish omission. The other Hooters fun fact missing from their own website is that their pool is open 24 hours a day. To my knowledge, there are no other Las Vegas pools open 24 hrs. (Is this correct?) Most Vegas tourists could probably care less whether their hotel pool is open at 3am, but I like the concept of no sunburns, no sunscreen, and no crowds...



About 3 years ago, pre-renovation, a section of the Tropicana's pool area was open 24 hrs. I don't know if that's still the case with the new ownership.
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