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March 21st, 2014 at 4:07:17 PM permalink
I played the EC single deck this week and they allow players to double anything on the first two cards. Does anyone know when they changed it back? I played there late last year and it was D1011. I also noticed the game did not appear to be sweated as bad as I recall. They did not seem nervous about a couple of moves I made that should have drawn a closer look.
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March 21st, 2014 at 4:40:37 PM permalink
I've always been able to double the first two cards. Are you confusing it with doubling after splitting? That is not allowed.
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March 21st, 2014 at 5:47:28 PM permalink
No, I mean that the last time I played there and tried to double on a soft hand vs a 6 I was told I could not. When I asked, I was told by the dealer that the rule had changed to D1011 only. On Wednesday, I was allowed to double anything.
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October 13th, 2014 at 11:16:50 PM permalink
Stopped by the El Cortez to play some blacjack this morning.
Place was relatively empty.
I sit down, have my obvious strategy sheet in front of me.
Just want to relax and take my time.
Guy sits right next to me in an empty place with other dealers. I'm obviously a rookie lowroller flat betting 5.
He buys in for 2k.
Plays 500 a hand. Next to my 5 buck bets.
He is not doing to well, 2k gone, he gets up and leaves.
Dealer said he's a regular every morning
Anyway place fills up, playing at a full table,, down about 50, I color up.
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October 13th, 2014 at 11:29:55 PM permalink
Quote: Pokeraddict

No, I mean that the last time I played there and tried to double on a soft hand vs a 6 I was told I could not. When I asked, I was told by the dealer that the rule had changed to D1011 only. On Wednesday, I was allowed to double anything.



Since this thread got bumped I just want to clarify that you can for sure double any two cards now (or again) and either there was a brief rule change or a mistaken dealer that one time.
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October 14th, 2014 at 3:08:45 PM permalink
Down 50 yesterday, went back early this morning and got it back and a bit more.
I am only flat betting.
Tempted to go back to count and just double my bet during a good count. Light spread :-)
Just having low roller fun. I'm no Aceofspades
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October 14th, 2014 at 3:30:53 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Down 50 yesterday, went back early this morning and got it back and a bit more.
I am only flat betting.
Tempted to go back to count and just double my bet during a good count. Light spread :-)
Just having low roller fun. I'm no Aceofspades



Do it. Many consider it a badge of honor to be sent packing at the El.
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October 16th, 2014 at 8:09:47 AM permalink
After reading the Aceofspades adventures of playing BJ, kind of got me excited to play.
Took at shot at counting cards Tues nite and early yesterday morning.
Tues nite only played about an hour and lost about 10 bucks.
Just having some low roller fun using a simple count and only betting 5 if count negative and 10 on a positive count of 2 or higher.
Playing with a strategy card so don't even have to think about strategy, can concentrate on the count.
Come back Wed am(flight home later in the day) to play some more.
Place is empty, great, sit down and got a table all to myself.
Only upping my bet if count is plus 2 or higher.
Now home and thinking about this, should up my bet to 10 on a positive count of 1, its a slight edge but it is single deck.
One time count was at +6, I bet 15, the only time I did this, and lost.
I'm having fun, just a rookie low roller actually using my left and right hand fingers to keep track of the count:-)
Left hand fingers under the table for positive, negative count, right hand under table.
This is working great, just having fun.
2 other players sit down, one of them playing 2 hands and the royal match which uses more cards.
This sucks, get to a good positive count and shuffle, uggh.
I am only down about 15, just playing for fun, I cash ouit. More players at a single deck game and one playing royal match, not as much fun counting.
Had a great time getting back into BJ , Haven't played this much BJ since the Western was open.
The 3 dollar table was never opened my few trips to the El, no biggie, would now rather play an empty single deck 5 buck table.
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October 16th, 2014 at 8:50:55 AM permalink
I played at Cortez on my recent trip a few weeks ago and it was DA2 then as well (on the single deck).

Quote: terapined

Just having some low roller fun using a simple count and only betting 5 if count negative and 10 on a positive count of 2 or higher.
...
Now home and thinking about this, should up my bet to 10 on a positive count of 1, its a slight edge but it is single deck.


With the great HE they offer (0.16-0.18) you are absolutely correct in raising your bet on ANY positive count. Especially take in to consideration that you're playing one deck. So after one round if the count is +1, the TC is more than +1 because you have less than a deck left ;).

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This sucks, get to a good positive count and shuffle, uggh.


Ha, welcome to one of a thousand issues counters run in to! Now imagine you're playing 6D as that's all your local shop offers. Combine that with the fact that you haven't seen one positive count in hours. Then finally it shoots up huge right at the end of the shoe but you see the dealer draw the damn cut card and you won't even get to up your bet =/.

Quote: terapined

Had a great time getting back into BJ , Haven't played this much BJ since the Western was open.


I'm really glad you had a great time playing... and that you at least had a little fun with some basic counting. You're there for fun, not your profession. Adding that counting and very small spread might be enough to tip that game to the break even point so you can indeed play for fun!
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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October 16th, 2014 at 9:16:42 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

Do it. Many consider it a badge of honor to be sent packing at the El.

You really think they will sweat that? or was a that a joke?

I never had a problem in the past going $10 up to $80.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 16th, 2014 at 9:52:48 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

You really think they will sweat that? or was a that a joke?

I never had a problem in the past going $10 up to $80.



You were getting a 1-8 spread at SD and had no problem?
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October 16th, 2014 at 10:47:53 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

You were getting a 1-8 spread at SD and had no problem?



I've also done it. I did it once for well over two hours and I was winning. Another time I was told no more blackjack after 30 minutes only getting to 4 times my base bet. I was not winning that time.
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October 16th, 2014 at 11:12:01 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

I've also done it. I did it once for well over two hours and I was winning. Another time I was told no more blackjack after 30 minutes only getting to 4 times my base bet. I was not winning that time.


When I was there it took me pushing my spread up to 1-12 before I got the boot. I was up and the people I was with were ready to leave, so knowing I wasn't going to return I told the people I was with I wanted to see what I could get away with. Prior to that though I was going mostly 1-8, but did have a couple 1-10 spread bets out, for a couple hours.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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October 16th, 2014 at 5:11:13 PM permalink
I was spreading 5-40 last week and nobody even noticed. Not that the dealer should really care, but during one shuffle there were 2 blackjacks (3 people playing - both were player bj) on the first round and I asked for a shuffle and the dealer laughed. He of course didn't oblige, but I thought he may signal somebody with all the reports I've read about just how sweaty they are.
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October 19th, 2014 at 1:17:36 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

When I was there it took me pushing my spread up to 1-12 before I got the boot. I was up and the people I was with were ready to leave, so knowing I wasn't going to return I told the people I was with I wanted to see what I could get away with. Prior to that though I was going mostly 1-8, but did have a couple 1-10 spread bets out, for a couple hours.



Trying to see what you could get away with? I wouldn't push it. You could get your face flyered all over town. Or what about OSN? Just wouldn't want to flaunt my card counting by pushing them too hard. Might make it harder on the guy who comes after you. Me. Quiet in quiet out. Grosjean, Cagno and others have paved the way for us to sit in the front of the bus. I don't want to now put my feet up. Play courteously and don't turn the spotlight on yourself. The best way to beat a casino is to never let them know they got whacked. (It is interesting, however, knowing what they'll tolerate.)
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December 23rd, 2014 at 8:51:34 PM permalink
Was playing at the El Cortez single deck today.
1st off, sometimes I miss signs anouncing promotions, sometimes I notice them.
Sat down and counted just doing a low roller light spread. 5 to 10, sometimes 15.
Couple other players sit down, playing, Dealer gets BJ a few times.
They leave, another player sits. Dealer gets BJ. Other player says give me a ticket.
I'm like WTF, whats this ticket thing, I'd like one also. I get a ticket.
Apparently there is a drawing at 12N Sat, 1200 total given away.
Now noticed the banner. If you dont speak up, dont get a drawing ticket.
Got 4 tickets now. Kind of neat , you are bummed when dealer gets BJ but get a drawing ticket.
El Cortez has become by go to place to play BJ.
I'm such a rookie counter and the atmosphere is very laid back so easier to count.
Just having fun, will be back. See how many tickets I can get before Sat.
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December 24th, 2014 at 12:33:03 PM permalink
Played this morning.
Had a single single deck table all to myself at the El for 90 min.
So nice playing alone, can play a bunch hands with a good count instead of 1 or 2 hands with mutiple players.
Yesterday, lost 70.
Today won 50. Just a light 5 to 15 spread.
Scored 6 more tix.
1st dealer BJ and I spoke up, they asked if I was going to be present for drawing and said yes :-)
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December 24th, 2014 at 12:44:26 PM permalink
Keep this trip report going, right up to the drawing. 1-3 spread is about all the exposure you want at El Co.
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December 24th, 2014 at 7:35:14 PM permalink
Do counters color up or do they just leave the table with handfuls of chips?
Even though my spread was light, pit boss lady was watching me. Maybe just out of boredom because pretty slow in the AM.
What helps is sometimes forget the count and go to flat betting. Happens when I get BJ, I get excited then boom, all thd cards gone.
Anyway got tired of playing and colored up with a 50 profit. Dealer anounces 250 and the pit boss lady gets out a peice of paper and writes the figure down. That made feel a bit uncomfortable. By just getting up and leaving, house not sure if you profited and how much but a sharp eye can eyeball an estimate.
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December 24th, 2014 at 7:42:06 PM permalink
If you rathole, you'll look like a loser, a bigger loser, or less of a winner (depending on if you break even, lose, or win).
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December 24th, 2014 at 8:23:03 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Do counters color up or do they just leave the table with handfuls of chips?
Even though my spread was light, pit boss lady was watching me. Maybe just out of boredom because pretty slow in the AM.
What helps is sometimes forget the count and go to flat betting. Happens when I get BJ, I get excited then boom, all thd cards gone.
Anyway got tired of playing and colored up with a 50 profit. Dealer anounces 250 and the pit boss lady gets out a peice of paper and writes the figure down. That made feel a bit uncomfortable. By just getting up and leaving, house not sure if you profited and how much but a sharp eye can eyeball an estimate.



You might be able to get up without coloring up, but if you have a lot of red chips the dealer is going to stop you. The dealer needs those red chips in order to pay other players. Let's say you put down a $15 bet and win. The dealer might take 2 of your reds and give you a green. If this happens often, it is easy to walk without coloring up.

It is also easy to walk away if the dealer is distracted. If you play first base and lose a hand, walk away while the dealer is focusing on the other players playing their hands.
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December 25th, 2014 at 1:46:44 AM permalink
Quote: RS

If you rathole, you'll look like a loser, a bigger loser, or less of a winner (depending on if you break even, lose, or win).

Don't go directly to the cage with to much. They call the pit to verify.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 25th, 2014 at 9:29:08 AM permalink
Got beat up by the El Cortez.
Not a good session this AM
down 90. Actually down 85, gave dealer my max tip for a session 5 since Xmas for down 90.
Dealer got 8 BJ to my 3.
Plus side, got 8 more tix.
1/2 the time played alone, other 1/2 just 1 other player.
Whats funny is I am playing with another guy. 1st deal of deck I get 8 8 and splt, dealer showing a 5.
I get small cards for a 13 and 14.
dealer has 8, hits small card after small card to hit 21. Our hands lose, the other guy upset dealer hit 21 and gets up to leave. I'm thinking, wow, count just went to plus 5 and dealer still dealing and you are leaving. Lol
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December 25th, 2014 at 10:43:43 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Got beat up by the El Cortez.
Not a good session this AM
down 90. Actually down 85, gave dealer my max tip for a session 5 since Xmas for down 90.
Dealer got 8 BJ to my 3.
Plus side, got 8 more tix.
1/2 the time played alone, other 1/2 just 1 other player.
Whats funny is I am playing with another guy. 1st deal of deck I get 8 8 and splt, dealer showing a 5.
I get small cards for a 13 and 14.
dealer has 8, hits small card after small card to hit 21. Our hands lose, the other guy upset dealer hit 21 and gets up to leave. I'm thinking, wow, count just went to plus 5 and dealer still dealing and you are leaving. Lol



It's not a good idea to play more than two or three sessions in a couple days. Too much exposure. Spread your talent around. Cast your vessel upon the high seas to seek ye treasure.
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December 25th, 2014 at 11:09:57 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

It's not a good idea to play more than two or three sessions in a couple days. Too much exposure. Spread your talent around. Cast your vessel upon the high seas to seek ye treasure.


Spreading 1-3 I don't think he'll have "that" much of a problem. The pit boss lady was probably watching you because you were the only thing to watch in the AM =P. One good way to throw them off is wait for a negative count, then throw a $15 or $20 out. She'll check the discards and you should have a lot less heat the rest of your session.

Ratholing is generally the way to go, but if you're playing heads up, or with one other player, it's easy for the dealers to recall your buy in and how much you left the table with (even in your pockets). i.e. It's hard to rathole heads up (I like to stuff quarters in my pockets when the dealers change - since the new dealer has no clue how much I've had in front of me), and not only that, if they see you ratholing they may or may not pay extra attention to you. Part of their job is them getting asked 1,000 times a day "What did he leave with?" from the PB. Especially since you're a low roller, green chips probably are a 'little' more rare since you're mostly betting $5 and $10.

She was just recording what you did to try to keep count of the dealers rack. Most places have computer screens they can record this info instead of writing it down. I wouldn't worry about it. Have you been playing rated to get those tickets, or can you get them regardless of a players card? If you've been playing rated, then Greasyjohn does bring a bit more of a valid point about only playing a few times in a few days. It sounds like you're heading there in the morning and back again in the afternoon every day =p, which even at your small spread will get picked up eventually, because of how sweaty they are.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
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December 25th, 2014 at 11:46:50 AM permalink
I'm pretty sure I am cool there.
PB totally ignored me this AM
Probabbly not happy working morning Xmas shift.
low PB on the totem pole.
They have my card, just a lowroller.
Get tickets regardless if rated or not.
Some turn down tix, wont be there Sat noon.
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December 25th, 2014 at 12:05:52 PM permalink
The El Co has the best game in Vegas. Nobody else has SD, DA2, 3:2. Why overexpose yourself? Getting backed off is not a badge of honor. It's something you want to avoid. You like this place, right? You want to keep liking it, right? Be a sniper, not a target.

(I just assumed you are playing the SD, DA2, 3:2 game. If you're not, you're a smaller target.)
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December 25th, 2014 at 2:07:58 PM permalink
What's table maximum there?

Will they raise it upon request?
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December 25th, 2014 at 3:18:01 PM permalink
Since the topic happens to be El Cortez, does anyone know if they are still doing the 10% of ATM withdrawals in Free Play thing?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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December 25th, 2014 at 3:48:57 PM permalink
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Since the topic happens to be El Cortez, does anyone know if they are still doing the 10% of ATM withdrawals in Free Play thing?



Yes, they are. One time only, one withdrawal only. But it's 5%, with a $50 free play limit.
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December 25th, 2014 at 4:08:12 PM permalink
Going back tonight.
double tickets Thur nite :-)
Even though dont need the cash, gonna test the ATM withdraw promotion.
Dont understand why I would atract heat, low roller just 5 to 15 spread, 90 min sessions
Aceofspades plays at the Aria counting, playing long sessions taking away thousands and no heat.
Why Little ol me will attract heat? I have the total rookie look, play with a strategy card.
5 table I think 500 limit and 25 table i think 2k limit, will confirm tonight.
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December 25th, 2014 at 6:20:20 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Played this morning.
Had a single single deck table all to myself at the El for 90 min.
So nice playing alone, can play a bunch hands with a good count instead of 1 or 2 hands with mutiple players.
Yesterday, lost 70.
Today won 50. Just a light 5 to 15 spread.
Scored 6 more tix.
1st dealer BJ and I spoke up, they asked if I was going to be present for drawing and said yes :-)



Don't get hyped up on the drawing. By the time they start they manage to squeeze about 2 million tickets in that little drum.
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December 25th, 2014 at 7:05:45 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Yes, they are. One time only, one withdrawal only. But it's 5%, with a $50 free play limit.



Thanks for the info! Hopefully, it's still going when I am out there again, but I don't see why it wouldn't be if everyone can only do it once. I wish either myself or my girlfriend had a bank location out there...I'll probably do it, anyway (or save one of us for the next trip) because I really don't want to run around with two large.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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December 25th, 2014 at 7:28:19 PM permalink
Great session.
My bank limits withdrawl to 600 so withdrew 600, 3.50 ATM charge.
they loaded 30 onto my card, played a bunch of video poker, played through 30, got 25 real left.
In the mood for BJ so will play the free 25 left later.
Must earn 1500 points to do withdraw promotion again.
At night just one 5 buck table and its crowded.
Moved up to 10 dollar so I could play alone.
about 90 min session, 1/2 time playing alone.
up 105 this session, Dealer got 4 BJ so 8 more tix.
Table limit 500 to 1 k
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December 25th, 2014 at 7:39:30 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Great session.
My bank limits withdrawl to 600 so withdrew 600, 3.50 ATM charge.
they loaded 30 onto my card, played a bunch of video poker, played through 30, got 25 real left.
In the mood for BJ so will play the free 25 left later.
Must earn 1500 points to do withdraw promotion again.
At night just one 5 buck table and its crowded.
Moved up to 10 dollar so I could play alone.
about 90 min session, 1/2 time playing alone.
up 105 this session, Dealer got 4 BJ so 8 more tix.
Table limit 500 to 1 k



You must earn 1500 points in a month to be eligible for $50 in free play in the following month. No more ATM withdrawal is required though.
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December 26th, 2014 at 9:02:31 AM permalink
Another session this morning.
El Cortez single deck
played about 90 min, table all to myself.
70 profit, 4 more tickets.
Trying to figure my odds on the drawing.
my smallest number is 926054 and highest tix number is 926483.
Thats a spread of 429 Tues to Fri so I figure 1k to 1200 tix total out ther and I have 30.
Not great odds but just doing it for fun.
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December 26th, 2014 at 8:06:57 PM permalink
Another 90 min session.
1/2 the time alone 1/2 time one other player.
Now playing 10 dollar game so I can see a lot of hands in 1 deck. Always looking for an empty 1 deck table.
Very light spread, 10 15 20.
5 buck table packed, no interest.
Broke exactly even.
Dealer only 2 BJ over 90 min for 2 more tix.
Now have 32 and just noticed some work ahead of me.
Gotta write my name and player number on every tix :-(
Good news, I thought maybe about 1k tix out there for drawing. Now thinking maybe less, the 2 tix I got tonight were numbers between my lowest and highest number
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December 27th, 2014 at 8:32:13 AM permalink
Quote: terapined


Good news, I thought maybe about 1k tix out there for drawing. Now thinking maybe less, the 2 tix I got tonight were numbers between my lowest and highest number



Ugh. I hope you win but by the time you see how many tickets get crammed into that drum in the last hour you will feel like puking. Been there.
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December 27th, 2014 at 9:49:59 AM permalink
Quote: bobsims

Ugh. I hope you win but by the time you see how many tickets get crammed into that drum in the last hour you will feel like puking. Been there.

Yes.

Even tho I have played many drawing promotions and fared well over all, I dislike Drawing promotions the most, there to many variables.

I even caught a small location, red handed, cheating (pun intended, red tickets being palmed ).


Bigger locations have been caught as well.

How many don't get caught?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 27th, 2014 at 10:18:09 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Yes.

Even tho I have played many drawing promotions and fared well over all, I dislike Drawing promotions the most, there to many variables.

I even caught a small location, red handed, cheating (pun intended, red tickets being palmed ).


Bigger locations have been caught as well.

How many don't get caught?



Are you saying they palmed winning tickets, for friends or confederates?
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December 27th, 2014 at 11:27:33 AM permalink
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Are you saying they palmed winning tickets, for friends or confederates?




Usually for larger players that are not AP. Trying to give them something added back for all they lose.
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December 27th, 2014 at 12:12:34 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Are you saying they palmed winning tickets, for friends or confederates?



John, I learned a lesson when I was on a lucrative play in Ely, Nevada. There was a well known AP there. He wasn't there full time like me. Ely was his backup play when he didn't have a better play going. For knowledge, skill and experience he's the best I've ever personally met.

There were drawings two nights a week. When your name was called you cupped your machine, went to the cage, they handed you an envelope with your money in it, then you were required to draw the ticket for the next winner. One night the other AP got up and went and talked to the Assistant Casino Manager and 3 guys were permanently disqualified from the promotion.

I asked him what happened. He told me that the 3 guys were palming tickets. I asked him how he knew. He said it was the third drawing in a row where all three of their names were called one right after the other. Whichever one got called first, he palmed a ticket, received his envolope, then stuck his hand way down in the drum and came up with the ticket of one of his compadres.

I had been oblivious to the whole thing.
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December 27th, 2014 at 12:24:25 PM permalink
Didnt win the drawing.
Played about an hour at a mostly full 5 dollar table. Just lost 5.
Kind of relaxing, just counting every other hand since shuffling after 2 hands.
Got down to 2 players and an Australian sat down with 600.
Got too see the EL get a little sweaty.
Australian just bets 5 for a while, not good counts, Count only goes to +2, he goes to 25.
PB walks over and goes through the discard pile, then whispers to another pb.1st time I have seen a PB go through the discards.
Interesting. I colored up to watch the drawing.
Off to the bachanal :-)
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December 27th, 2014 at 1:36:41 PM permalink
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2004/feb/25/venetian-settles-complaint-over-rigging-of-contest/

I'm sure it still happens.

Last thing the casino wants to do is give away the big prizes to some chump who plays green and has 2 tickets in the drum and lucks out.

They want their big players to feel happy they won something so they'll come back.
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December 27th, 2014 at 2:43:24 PM permalink
I don't want to quote anybody, but I think rigged drawings are fairly common in Vegas. The Venetian was just unlucky to be the only one caught.
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December 27th, 2014 at 4:06:48 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I don't want to quote anybody, but I think rigged drawings are fairly common in Vegas. The Venetian was just unlucky to be the only one caught.

This is potentially explosive information. Does the Gaming Control Board offer rewards or whistleblower incentives for ratting out?
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December 27th, 2014 at 5:03:47 PM permalink
There are other ways to rig them, legally by the rules they list. As many of these drawings are virtual anymore, there are millions of entries. Large players are offered hundreds of thousands of entries just for showing up while Joe Green Chip gets 5. He may win, but the odds for him are like the Powerball and its all legal as the details are there if you look. The casinos have a realistic idea of which group of players the winner is going to come from just by the math.
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December 28th, 2014 at 7:53:17 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

Are you saying they palmed winning tickets, for friends or confederates?

It's happened various ways for various reasons.

On one occasion(my first of many ) at a major off trip property they were not to happy with AP's who were earning lots of tickets. I'M 90% certain I was drawn for 20k. And they tossed it back saying they couldn't read the name(BS). I had a stamp for the tickets (it did smug a bit but not enough to disqualify ) They knew that we were using stamps and labels.

The latest incident was about a little over a year ago I was playing at a popular bar chain, not just some rinky dink place. They had some uncommonly good drawings(not huge amounts but frequently 1k to 3k range) and other promotions.

I found a paticular game that made the tickets easy to get at a very low cost.

I won a few and tipped $100 each time.

They kept changing the rules and I would just find something else (they actually changed it once and accidentally made it better)

A paticular female bartender didn't like that I was wining, and I could sence this.

Her regulars often tipped $300 or $400, so thats why.

This paticular Drawing was for a few k. I had 70% of the tickets.

They had 2 chicks working the bar. Just before the drawing the bartender that seemed to be annoyed with me... started acting nervous. she was even delaying the drawing. She was still accepting tickets. I watched closely.

I told my GF, look at her, she has a ticket in her left hand, she should have added it to the drum.

She was about to draw and I said, "WAITE what about that ticket?" She said, what ticket" I said, :the one in your had right there.. open it" she made a lame excuse that it was just a blank. I Asked to see it. she said, there was no need its not going in to the drum and didn't have time for this.

She proceed to draw, looked at the ticket and said it was not legible (mind you they write the names not you). I said let me the ticket perhaps the bartender who wrote it can read it. Nope she tossed it back in and said to late.

Well the funny part is...my gf had only 1 to 3 tickets in the drum and she didn't know my GFs name. When she read the name and my GF said, "that's me" The look on that @$%!#$ face was priceless.

There's much more to the story. I didn't complain, I didn't want to make a big issue out of it because the place was a gold mine. I knew It would just create a problem. And there were other bartenders who didn't have a problem with me winning.

Eventually the district manager who always seemed to be there, especially when I won, He said the promotions are meant for the bar to make money, not player's such as yourself. Im tired of having to change all my promotions because of you, please don't come back to any of our locations.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 28th, 2014 at 8:09:03 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

It's happened various ways for various reasons.

On one occasion(my first of many ) at a major off trip property they were not to happy with AP's who were earning lots of tickets. I'M 90% certain I was drawn for 20k. And they tossed it back saying they couldn't read the name(BS). I had a stamp for the tickets (it did smug a bit but not enough to disqualify ) They knew that we were using stamps and labels.

The latest incident was about a little over a year ago I was playing at a popular bar chain, not just some rinky dink place. They had some uncommonly good drawings(not huge amounts but frequently 1k to 3k range) and other promotions.

I found a paticular game that made the tickets easy to get at a very low cost.

I won a few and tipped $100 each time.

They kept changing the rules and I would just find something else (they actually changed it once and accidentally made it better)

A paticular female bartender didn't like that I was wining, and I could sence this.

Her regulars often tipped $300 or $400, so thats why.

This paticular Drawing was for a few k. I had 70% of the tickets.

They had 2 chicks working the bar. Just before the drawing the bartender that seemed to be annoyed with me... started acting nervous. she was even delaying the drawing. She was still accepting tickets. I watched closely.

I told my GF, look at her, she has a ticket in her left hand, she should have added it to the drum.

She was about to draw and I said, "WAITE what about that ticket?" She said, what ticket" I said, :the one in your had right there.. open it" she made a lame excuse that it was just a blank. I Asked to see it. she said, there was no need its not going in to the drum and didn't have time for this.

She proceed to draw, looked at the ticket and said it was not legible (mind you they write the names not you). I said let me the ticket perhaps the bartender who wrote it can read it. Nope she tossed it back in and said to late.

Well the funny part is...my gf had only 1 to 3 tickets in the drum and she didn't know my GFs name. When she read the name and my GF said, "that's me" The look on that @$%!#$ face was priceless.

There's much more to the story. I didn't complain, I didn't want to make a big issue out of it because the place was a gold mine. I knew It would just create a problem. And there were other bartenders who didn't have a problem with me winning.

Eventually the district manager who always seemed to be there, especially when I won, He said the promotions are meant for the bar to make money, not player's such as yourself. Im tired of having to change all my promotions because of you, please don't come back to any of our locations.



In the final paragraph you were paid a great compliment. Great post. I might say before some future drawing I might be in, "Clap in!"
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December 28th, 2014 at 8:14:52 AM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

In the final paragraph you were paid a great compliment. Great post. I might say before some future drawing I might be in, "Clap in!"

I disagree it means I failed and should have done something different perhaps more cover play or something. Mabey I should've let up and visited less often.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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