Harrah's as a corporation

I know Harrah's bashing is kind of an initiation rite for this forum, but I always thought it was overrated. It started with my friend from UNLV who called them the devil when they came up. This then was followed up by the next day when I spent a couple of hours at Caesars. Something just felt wrong, but I couldn't put my finger on it so I went to make a couple of sports bets and this is where I saw the light. After I made my bets I was handed a voucher for one free drink, but ill get back this. The nexted thing I noticed was an area that was roped off... a VIP area. This really pissed me off so I went to the Bellagio and placed a small value parlay. Here I was offered a free comp drink immediately, sitting in a chair more comfortable than caesar's vip area chairs. I must have spent four hours there, watching the games I made bets on at caesars and cal neva also. I then decided to give caesars a chance, spending half a game there. I will admit, I am a very loud fan when I have money on the game, but I am definitely not completely inconsiderate. My rowdiness got me a few ugly looks at caesar's, but it was fine at the bellagio. Also, I still have no idea what my drink voucher meant because I was never offered a drink.

I got the last laugh though, walked out with $100 profit off of them.

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I know Harrah's bashing is kind of an initiation rite for this forum, but I always thought it was overrated. It started with my friend from UNLV who called them the devil when they came up. This then was followed up by the next day when I spent a couple of hours at Caesars. Something just felt wrong, but I couldn't put my finger on it so I went to make a couple of sports bets and this is where I saw the light. After I made my bets I was handed a voucher for one free drink, but ill get back this. The nexted thing I noticed was an area that was roped off... a VIP area. This really pissed me off so I went to the Bellagio and placed a small value parlay. Here I was offered a free comp drink immediately, sitting in a chair more comfortable than caesar's vip area chairs. I must have spent four hours there, watching the games I made bets on at caesars and cal neva also. I then decided to give caesars a chance, spending half a game there. I will admit, I am a very loud fan when I have money on the game, but I am definitely not completely inconsiderate. My rowdiness got me a few ugly looks at caesar's, but it was fine at the bellagio. Also, I still have no idea what my drink voucher meant because I was never offered a drink.

I got the last laugh though, walked out with $100 profit off of them.

Harrah's seems to be to gaming what GM was to auto manufacturers 1965-1981. The biggest out there, good focus on the bottom line, but not very innovative or customer friendly.

Just MHO.

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Also, I still have no idea what my drink voucher meant because I was never offered a drink.

It probably means you gotta walk over to the bar, because, Heaven forbid they send a waitress into the sports book!

The absolute worst thing about Harrahs (IMHO) are at their casino's outside of Vegas. I've been to the Harrah's in Joliet, IL and swear I will never go back. They treat non-frequent customers like absolute trash. I won a little money at BJ and went to cash in my chips at the cage. I kid you not... there were 6 windows for Diamond/7-stars and only 1 window for Gold/Platinum members. I waited for 1/2 hour to get my money while all the locals with diamond status walked right up to the window. It was crazy. I will never go back.

I understand that low rollers shouldn't get comps like high rollers, but that doesn't mean they should have a second-class gambling experience. Harrahs is way too focused on distriminating against their less profitable customers.

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It probably means you gotta walk over to the bar, because, Heaven forbid they send a waitress into the sports book!

The voucher said to give it to the waitress. I forgot to mention that I did see waitresses in the sports book... in the VIP area. She walked right past us, each time. Call me pampered, but I demand to be asked for a drink rather than flag it down.

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I understand that low rollers shouldn't get comps like high rollers, but that doesn't mean they should have a second-class gambling experience. Harrahs is way too focused on distriminating against their less profitable customers.

So fucking true. Second-class citizen is the word I was looking for.

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It probably means you gotta walk over to the bar, because, Heaven forbid they send a waitress into the sports book!

The voucher said to give it to the waitress. I forgot to mention that I did see waitresses in the sports book... in the VIP area. She walked right past us, each time. Call me pampered, but I demand to be asked for a drink rather than flag it down.

I've always thought it is remarkably short-sighted of casinos to limit drink comps. I assume there is a direct correlation between the amount of drinks served and the amount of money bet. This would be an interesting study, one that Harrah's should fund. I volunteer to be a test subject.

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It probably means you gotta walk over to the bar, because, Heaven forbid they send a waitress into the sports book!

The voucher said to give it to the waitress. I forgot to mention that I did see waitresses in the sports book... in the VIP area. She walked right past us, each time. Call me pampered, but I demand to be asked for a drink rather than flag it down.

I've always thought it is remarkably short-sighted of casinos to limit drink comps. I assume there is a direct correlation between the amount of drinks served and the amount of money bet. This would be an interesting study, one that Harrah's should fund. I volunteer to be a test subject.

Agreed - honestly, how much does my watery whiskey sour really cost them? 50 cents? I could understand limiting beers or stuff like that though because it would really cost them. On that note, I will be doing all my sports stuff at MGM/Bellagio next time which probably means I'll be playing other games there.

Here's my $.02 worth (well $22 if you pay me by the word)

Harrah's is trying to build Customer Loyalty, and repeat business. However, this comes at the expense of the first time visitors, unless you have sufficient bankroll to accelerate through the levels.
I am not positive, but I suspect if you have no player's card, good luck. If you get the player's card, Total Rewards, you start at Gold level. This doesn't really get you anything either, at this point, other than cheap room offers. Every bet you make though earns you 2 types of points. One is your Tier score. That is indirectly tied to the amount you have wagered this year. The second number is your reward currency (aka your comps). You have to visit ANY Harrah's property at least every 6 months, or you lose your comps.
Once you start wagering either higher amounts, or by playing lots of hours, your Tier score goes up. The next stage is Platinum. I got to Platinum level in 3 days, playing craps, around $80 on the table all the time. Platinum gets you better room offers, many free night offers, etc. I think you get to jump some dinner lines, but can't recall.
The next level is Diamond. Now you are getting some decent benefits. You get your own dinner line, usually very short, free nights almost any time (I have stayed for 7 days, nc), free slots play, tournament entries, etc. Once you get Diamond, you don't want to go back.
Seven Stars is the next Tier, and it is WAY WAY UP there. I would guess Seven Stars player's bankrolls are 10k-20k minimum each trip, although I don't know for sure. All I know is, I am not close, and barring a lottery win, never will be.

My point is, Harrah's isn't bad to deal with, if you can visit any of their properties at least every 6 months, and you bet or play slots somewhat regularly.
IMO, if you are in for a weekend once a year, you are probably not going to feel loved. This is just MY OPINION. I have no facts or details to back that up.

Ceasar's is a whole other story though. I got a huge suite there for 6 days for free. Nicest place I have ever stayed. However, my 3k bankroll got me pretty much ignored on the tables. If you aren't playing black chips there, you are riff raff. And 3k for black chips on craps ain't enough. I went up 3600 in 2 days time, ended up giving them the whole 6600, and felt like they felt I was wasting their time. I also witnessed a guy take a 25K marker, and within 20 minutes they argued with him over a missed $200 win pay. Tape proved player was right, but he was rightfully pissed over the treatment, and left. So for $200 they let a 25K player walk. Most arrogant, and DUMBEST, thing I have ever seen.

I can say I felt the same way about MGM properties in Vegas the last 2 years though. I had my Diamond Harrah's card and felt wanted there. However, when I visited an MGM property, I didn't feel the love. Of course, I had no gambling history with them, and I was saving all of my big play for Harrah's to make sure I kept my rating there. Dance puppet, dance.

Recently I was able to get a comp to an MGM property, based on my Harrah's rating, and after 3 days play, MGM is showing me some real love. After 1 trip, I feel I was comp'd much more than Harrah's has given me in the past, although that isn't a fair comparison, as the MGM property was not in Vegas. Perhaps MGM Vegas will be tighter with the comps, and more comparable to what Harrah's gives me.

Hope this gave you a little insight.

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The next stage is Platinum. I got to Platinum level in 3 days, playing craps, around $80 on the table all the time. Platinum gets you better room offers, many free night offers, etc. I think you get to jump some dinner lines, but can't recall.
The next level is Diamond. Now you are getting some decent benefits. You get your own dinner line, usually very short, free nights almost any time (I have stayed for 7 days, nc), free slots play, tournament entries, etc. Once you get Diamond, you don't want to go back.

I appreciate your input. $80 - so pass/one come with full odds on a $10 table? Or do you place some bets. I'm just curious because it seems a little low to get respect from these places. Also... all the time as in 6 hours a day or are you talking 14 hours a day?

What did you need to get diamond? You said something about blacks later on so I hope you aren't throwing down that much.

Lastly, more of a question for everyone, I've heard that odds are ignored by casinos. But in my experience I get special attention throwing down a couple hundred on the table with the bases loaded and full odds.

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I appreciate your input. $80 - so pass/one come with full odds on a $10 table? Or do you place some bets. I'm just curious because it seems a little low to get respect from these places. Also... all the time as in 6 hours a day or are you talking 14 hours a day?

What did you need to get diamond? You said something about blacks later on so I hope you aren't throwing down that much.

Lastly, more of a question for everyone, I've heard that odds are ignored by casinos. But in my experience I get special attention throwing down a couple hundred on the table with the bases loaded and full odds.

Average bet rating was around $80. At that time I would have been playing $10 PL w full odds, and then some $12 inside place bets. I almost always take the 6/8, at 1.52%. I will do that ahead of a come/odds bet, since I get 2 numbers in play, and am not giving up too much in HA. Throw in an occasional field bet, if they have 3x for 12. I press the place bets though, usually take one, then press one. I had a couple of good runs early, which gave me plenty of bankroll to play long hours over the 3 days.
I play roughly 10 to 12 hours a day, many times I will play from 12:00 AM to 8:00 AM. Dealing with a few drunks is easier than dealing with a crowded table and a couple of idiots. You also get better credit for your play I believe. I place some bets for the dealers, early in the session, and will continue if I am running good. If I do PL, I will put odds up. My favorite though is placing the 6 and 8, player control. I then do a pull/press so the dealers can rake in quite a bit, if a few 6s/8s get rolled. I am convinced this helps my rating

You don't get credit for the Odds, although I suspect some pits may add a few dollars to your average, especially on cold tables. And just throwing down blacks says you don't have a problem putting some coin out there. No matter where you are betting it, they know as long as you are willing to put it in play, they have a shot at taking it. Having said all that though, I am struggling a bit accepting PL/FO or C/FO is the best play. I understand from a pure mathematical viewpoint it is obviously the lowest HA, ergo the best play. But, I figure my last trip was worth about $1000 in comps, and I would not get that with only PL and come bets. And since place/buy bets (when vig is on win) pay out the same, or better in the Buy case, as PL/3-4-5 odds, the only thing I give away is the comeout roll adv.

My starting play now is mostly $120 Inside, and a PL/odds bet. My last few trips have been rated as avg bet of 170 @ 9 hrs per day, but on a good roll I have had over $500 on the table when the 7 out shows. I am ashamed to say I do throw the occasional money at the hardways, and unfortunately, I can say PARLAY loud enough for the stick to hear me. It is great fun when it hits though! I waste maybe $200 on those bets for a whole trip, so it is not a real bet for me, it is a distraction to have some fun. I called my first hop bet ever last trip, 6-3 for $5, AND HIT IT. LOL That has to be the DUMBEST bet to play, and no, I do not drink at the table.

Platinum comes at the 4,000 Tier score level. Diamond is 11,000 tier score, but they have a provision that if you rack up 3,500 tier score in one day, you jump to Diamond, even if you have less than 11,000 score. In January, your tier score goes back to 0, but you keep your Diamond status through the next year. You need to be back to 11,000, or have completed the DIAD (diamond in a day) by the end of that year, to keep Diamond.
https://www.harrahs.com/e-totalrewards/glossary.html#TierScore

I'm a big risk big reward kind of guy, so I think that's where my constant come line comes from. It's also only really applicable for me on $5 tables, which most of the strips don't do. Since I feel like a dipshit without full odds, this can mean almost $300 on at able at one time which is too rich for my skin. I'm a college student who has a bunch of extra cash, but a million dollar bankroll means shit if you don't have a steady source to replenish.

I think the correct way to put it is that mathematically, with an infinite payroll, my kind of play is the best. The problem is that it increases variance to a point of very easy bankroll failure.

What I started to do was place bets, in conjunction with my come bets, and press my winnings onto the odds. I think when you're dealing with $10 limits, and have my kind of bankroll, it might be the right thing to place the 6/8 for 12 or 24. Since I came out on top during my last trip, when I was ready to lose my entire bankroll, I might give your kind of game a shot.

I'm not someone to judge about the stupid bets, I throw down a crap check on my come out rolls everytime for $5. It really pisses me off that the stickman pushes the prop bets.

I would be remiss if I did not state the obvious. Never play more than you are comfortable with, and NEVER play with anything other than mad money. You will lose it.

I seem to have found that you need a bankroll of about 20x your average bet amount, to have a reasonable shot at winning. So if you have $1000, I think you can reasonably put about $50 into play. Exceed that amount and you risk immediate ruin on a cold table. WinCraps simulations I have been running seem to back this up. Perhaps some of the people who have used WinCraps for much longer can weigh in on this topic?

I have a 1k session buyin, and I will put another 1k in play if I tap early. However, if I drop that early in the trip, I am stuck with lots of free time on my hands. Last trip I started play at 10:00 PM, and by 2:00AM I was down about 1800 and my butt was sore from the kicking I was giving myself. But then through superior play :-), I went on a tear, and got it all back between 2 and 6 AM. I went positive, and when my next bet lost, I cashed out +44. This was day 1 of a 3 day trip, and I almost blew it before I even got to go to sleep one time.

Yeah I get where you're coming from, but personally I'm a firm believer in hot/cold tables. I'll buy in for like $150 (Usually two games of complete ruin in a row), and if that goes away quickly I'll take a nap or get something to eat. If I start winning, then I win and usually come ahead big. My entire game stems from my limited bankroll, but enjoyment of high return - I understand odds/EV/variation. I don't have the patience or bankroll to support staying at a table long enough to get big comps yet.

I'm Asian, well half but when it comes to money I'm 100% Japanese. I am very afraid of complete ruin, so I'll never get there.

I think there are 2 strategies needed to be successful at craps.
1. You need to make the smart bets, and be lucky enough to overcome the HA
2. You need to have an exit strategy that lets you leave a winner.

Many of us get #1 right, but too often we fail miserably at #2. At least I know I do. I am continually trying to create an exit strategy that is one I can commit to, and actually do. My latest strategy is to bank my session winnings. So for instance, when I finished that first session last trip I was +44. So 44 went into the safe, and becomes untouchable. I must take it home. What I haven't been able to decide though is how do I handle a losing and then winning session.
Say I have a 3 day trip, and I take a 3k BR. Session 1 I win 300. So I put 300 in safe, and I still have a 3k BR. Next session I lose 400. I have 2600. Next session I win 300. Do I have to put the 300 in safe, or do I get to make my BR 2900? If I say I have to put it in the safe, I know I probably won't do that. If add it to my BR I risk giving it back to the casino. What I am leaning towards is putting half in safe, and half back to my BR. I feel that is a rule that I can live with in the heat of the moment, and it means I still keep some of the money I won from them. My problem is, I have to be 100% committed to the plan before I go, as I have learned I will not adhere to it otherwise.

Yeah I have a feeling that's one of the biggest problems with gambling. Why do you feel the need to bank the $300 (in that scenario) instead of playing with the house's money? The way I do it is, let's say I buy in for $200 and am lucky enough to get it up to 350 or so. I'll separate $200 from my $350 and put it in the chip holder closer to me on the table. This way I now have $150 and will continue playing with that - If I get to ruin with that I will only dig into my original $200 to keep throwing down odds or something for one more roll.

If banking the $300 is just a personal thing that makes you feel better, I'm not someone to tell you otherwise. What you could try and do is play with that $300 in the same session and bring it to a level you'd be comfortable with playing the next day. This way, you either play 100% with the bank's money the next day or you're back where you started. I'm a big proponent of playing with the house's money and this is something that all we can do it talk with with each and take what goes best for us.

Where do you like playing anyways? I've had fun at the NYNY and Tuscany - lost a shitton at the Bellagio so I'm kind of biased against them. I have a feeling you've had much more experience than me. Also, if you have some places you do NOT like playing, that might be better.

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Yeah I have a feeling that's one of the biggest problems with gambling. Why do you feel the need to bank the $300 (in that scenario) instead of playing with the house's money?
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Where do you like playing anyways? I've had fun at the NYNY and Tuscany - lost a shitton at the Bellagio so I'm kind of biased against them. I have a feeling you've had much more experience than me. Also, if you have some places you do NOT like playing, that might be better.

I have tried to manage my money while at the table, but that does not work for me. I am not disciplined enough and constantly break my rules. If I was up 500 in a session, I would pocket it, but then when the table turns cold and I lose my money, I reach in and use the 500.

So, I have no rule about what is happening during a session (a session ends whenever I leave the table. It can be 20 min to 10 hours.) If I have been down a good amount and I have finally gotten back to even, I will probably end the session, unless the table is running good. Whenever I walk away, the session closes. If I am up, it goes into the safe. With this I always have my original bankroll amount to play with. I learned this the hard way. 6 day trip, 3k bankroll, +3600 after 2 days. Ended trip busted. I managed to pee away 6600, and I stayed within my betting range. I made up my mind after that, that I would never come home broke, especially after I had doubled my bankroll. That was capital S stupid. (BTW, I AM playing with the house's money. It is MY money that I am putting back in the safe. :-D )

I have had phenomenal success at the RIO craps tables, and since they are off strip, sometimes they appreciate you a bit more. I stay at Paris a lot, due to my Harrah's card, and my wife really likes Paris, so that helps. I am 2 for 2 playing at Belagio. Only played an hour each time, but won. Winning makes any place nice.

If you really want to feel good, take the deuce down to Freemont St. 5 of us went down to Golden Gate Casino. Buying in for 1k down there gets attention. The table was hot, i was pressing place bets like mad, and the poor girl on base was overwhelmed. It was obvious she hadn't dealt with much over 30 or 60 on the place bets. She was struggling to figure the win amount on bets over 100. We played for 3 hours, and all of us made good money. We went back down the next night, and they recognized us as soon as we walked in. Treated us great. Too bad I gave all of the winnings back to them :-(
I think the key is to find a place where you are the bigger fish in a small pond. Play $10 on a $2 table. The strip is a really cool place to be, and people watch, but if you aren't getting $5K markers, you are just another mark temporarily holding their money.

RaleighCraps, I would like to play with you sometime. I also buy in for $1,000, then play PL and 2 come bets with odds. I press the odds pretty aggressively when I get ahead and also play the hardways, usually $5 on each for me and $5 for the dealers, player control, and I parlay the first one hoping for the $500 or $320 payoff. I like playing at Casino Royale because of the 100x odds.

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RaleighCraps, I would like to play with you sometime. I also buy in for $1,000, then play PL and 2 come bets with odds. I press the odds pretty aggressively when I get ahead and also play the hardways, usually $5 on each for me and $5 for the dealers, player control, and I parlay the first one hoping for the $500 or $320 payoff. I like playing at Casino Royale because of the 100x odds.

There was a post suggesting a sort of meeting place on the forum, where we could post when we would be on a trip, and arrange meetings. Hopefully we don't arrange our own muggings :-(
I would love to play alongside anyone on this board, P or DP. I used to get upset internally when someone would DP on my table, especially when I was shooting, but after a while I realized that was foolish. How can you blame someone for making the single best bet on the table?
Do you play any place, besides Vegas? I'm headed to Beau Rivage in Biloxi, MS in a couple of weeks, and as long as I don't blow my BR, I will be heading there again in April.
We've also gone to Vegas last two years during WSOP as wife likes seeing the pros in person. Haven't made plans yet for this year, so not sure if that is in play this year. If not June, certainly in Sept.

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Do you play any place, besides Vegas? I'm headed to Beau Rivage in Biloxi, MS in a couple of weeks....

Sounds a bit as if we might come close to crossing paths down there. My wife and I will be at the Grand in Biloxi for two nights week after next on our way down to New Orleans. I'll probably stop into Beau Rivage for a few minutes to check it out, since I've never been to Biloxi. I guess we shouldn't be too surprised at how many ships pass in the night.

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Sounds a bit as if we might come close to crossing paths down there. My wife and I will be at the Grand in Biloxi for two nights week after next on our way down to New Orleans. I'll probably stop into Beau Rivage for a few minutes to check it out, since I've never been to Biloxi. I guess we shouldn't be too surprised at how many ships pass in the night.

I think you might be right Doc. We get to Beau around 9:00 PM on Thur. 3/18. Will probably go down to Grand on Friday for a couple of hours in afternoon, so wife can use our free slots play, and I'll get a couple of hours play in on my Harrah's card. Also plan on getting to the IP this time, probably Sat afternoon. We leave Sun morning.

| forgot to say, I'm up for playing some with you, if the days overlap.

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| forgot to say, I'm up for playing some with you, if the days overlap.

That's a possibility -- we are driving and will arrive in Biloxi some time on Wednesday evening (St. Pat's Day), heading down to New Orleans on Friday. Then it's on up to Tunica on Sunday and back home to NC on Tuesday. That appears to limit the overlap to Thursday night after you get in. Don't know whether you plan to hit the tables when you first arrive in town or wait until morning.

I should give a list of reasons that you wouldn't want to play craps with me:
(1) Unlike you, I don't buy in for $1000 and play with greens and blacks. I look for the cheapest table in the house ($5 if they have it), typically buy in for $200, and bet the minimums.
(2) I don't generally play long sessions; such behavior would tend to put me on the outs with my wife.
(3) I might have all the personality of a turnip -- ya take your chances there.

If that doesn't scare you off, perhaps we should discuss this more. Some thread around here I mentioned that I keep a $1 chip as a souvenir from each casino on my first visit. This "hobby" has led to a compulsion to spend at least a few minutes playing in every casino I come across (not the slot parlors). Since I have never been to Biloxi before, I expect I might find myself briefly dropping by each of the casinos on the peninsula to check them out and pick up my souvenir. Perhaps Thursday night I could drop into Beau Rivage long enough for us to say Howdy and take a look at their crap tables. Alternately, you could get some of your Harrah's time down at the Grand that night. (They are advertising 3/18 as a 10x Reward Credit multiplier day, for what that's worth.)

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| forgot to say, I'm up for playing some with you, if the days overlap.

That's a possibility -- we are driving and will arrive in Biloxi some time on Wednesday evening (St. Pat's Day), heading down to New Orleans on Friday. Then it's on up to Tunica on Sunday and back home to NC on Tuesday. That appears to limit the overlap to Thursday night after you get in. Don't know whether you plan to hit the tables when you first arrive in town or wait until morning.

I should give a list of reasons that you wouldn't want to play craps with me:
(1) Unlike you, I don't buy in for $1000 and play with greens and blacks. I look for the cheapest table in the house ($5 if they have it), typically buy in for $200, and bet the minimums.
(2) I don't generally play long sessions; such behavior would tend to put me on the outs with my wife.
(3) I might have all the personality of a turnip -- ya take your chances there.

If that doesn't scare you off, perhaps we should discuss this more. Some thread around here I mentioned that I keep a $1 chip as a souvenir from each casino on my first visit. This "hobby" has led to a compulsion to spend at least a few minutes playing in every casino I come across (not the slot parlors). Since I have never been to Biloxi before, I expect I might find myself briefly dropping by each of the casinos on the peninsula to check them out and pick up my souvenir. Perhaps Thursday night I could drop into Beau Rivage long enough for us to say Howdy and take a look at their crap tables. Alternately, you could get some of your Harrah's time down at the Grand that night. (They are advertising 3/18 as a 10x Reward Credit multiplier day, for what that's worth.)

Hmmm, 10x Reward Credits could be good. Thursday's at Beau is 2x slots credit, so once we get in the room, I hit the craps table and my wife heads for the slots, to rack up those 2x plays. LOL.
Since you have a car, you don't need to know there is a casino trolley that you can ride between the various casinos, I think they are every 20 min or so. Cost is $1.25 each trip. Map showed the Grand to be about 1.2 miles from Beau. We were going to walk it, but it was pretty cold. And it was the longest 1.2 miles I have ever seen. Walking it would not have been fun. Hard Rock is next door to Beau Rivage, and Palace I think is within walking distance of Grand. Not sure how close to each other Boom Town and IP are. They are on our agenda this trip.
I would like to meet you. How much or how little you bet is of no consequence to me. I doubt we would try to make Grand on Thurs. We just get in too late. I would think our best bet is if you visited Beau Thurs night, but it might be 9:30 PM before we get to tables. Is that too late?
Not sure what time you are heading out Friday morning. Appears New Orleans is under 2 hour drive. We might be able to swing down that way to have some coffee before you head out, unless you are hitting the road early. Let's take this out of the forum.
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Let's take this out of the forum.

Very appropriate suggestion. I will send email later tonight or tomorrow.