Nareed
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November 20th, 2009 at 3:22:11 PM permalink
Does anyone know anything about the future of this attraction?

I'm a rehabilitated trekkie (don't ask), but I enjoyed it a lot in 08 (just in time, too) back at the Hilton. Last I heard it was being moved downtown to Neonopolis. During my last visit, May 09, it wasn't there yet (not open at any rate).
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November 20th, 2009 at 8:43:13 PM permalink
Last I heard the reopening in Neonopolis was pushed back until 2010.
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Nareed
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November 23rd, 2009 at 5:56:41 AM permalink
Thanks! I don't suppose you know when on 2010? I usually travel to Vegas in may, but I'd like to try March next year (it's bound to be cooler on March).
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November 24th, 2009 at 10:31:42 AM permalink
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

You can still, easily, pull up press releases that state that it will open on 5/8/9 in Neonopolis. The opening would coincide with the opening of the movie.

FYI: Neonopolis is a retail mall, with 11 movie theaters, adjacent to Freemont.

Instead, the Experience never opened, and, ironically, the theater closed on 5/8/9. Some of the stores are still open.



Now you can find plenty of press releases stating that it will open in Neonopolis 'sometime' in 2010.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting...





Interestingly, the Experience advertising wall on the exterior of the Hilton is still there (At least it was when I was there 2 months ago). You can see this plain as day from the monorail. I don't know if you can see it from the street.
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November 25th, 2009 at 7:08:59 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

You can still, easily, pull up press releases that state that it will open on 5/8/9 in Neonopolis. The opening would coincide with the opening of the movie.

FYI: Neonopolis is a retail mall, with 11 movie theaters, adjacent to Freemont.

Instead, the Experience never opened, and, ironically, the theater closed on 5/8/9. Some of the stores are still open.



Now you can find plenty of press releases stating that it will open in Neonopolis 'sometime' in 2010.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting...



I undertsand Neonopolis si the Great White Elephant on Fremont Street. Everything else downtown, or at least around the Fremont Street Experience area, seems to be doing well, except Neonopolis. It seems every city has some large, failed mall, though usually it fails due to a bad location or the lack of a good anchor store.

Still, a big draw ia a big draw. So the question is: how many people would visit the Trek rides? Judging from the audience I saw at the Hilton in 08, a great many who are not Trek fans (Trek fans wouldn't laugh at the plot). What I mean is the Trek exhibit may save Neonopolis, if it ever opens.

BTW I never understood why they chose Vgeas for this attraction. You'd think it was better suited to Universal Studios or the Disney/MGM Park (which of course are not Paramount properties, but Disney/MGM has another Paramount-brand attraction: Indiana Jones)
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December 4th, 2009 at 8:20:46 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

You can still, easily, pull up press releases that state that it will open on 5/8/9 in Neonopolis. The opening would coincide with the opening of the movie.

FYI: Neonopolis is a retail mall, with 11 movie theaters, adjacent to Freemont.

Instead, the Experience never opened, and, ironically, the theater closed on 5/8/9. Some of the stores are still open.



Now you can find plenty of press releases stating that it will open in Neonopolis 'sometime' in 2010.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting...



I undertsand Neonopolis si the Great White Elephant on Fremont Street. Everything else downtown, or at least around the Fremont Street Experience area, seems to be doing well, except Neonopolis. It seems every city has some large, failed mall, though usually it fails due to a bad location or the lack of a good anchor store.

Still, a big draw ia a big draw. So the question is: how many people would visit the Trek rides? Judging from the audience I saw at the Hilton in 08, a great many who are not Trek fans (Trek fans wouldn't laugh at the plot). What I mean is the Trek exhibit may save Neonopolis, if it ever opens.

BTW I never understood why they chose Vgeas for this attraction. You'd think it was better suited to Universal Studios or the Disney/MGM Park (which of course are not Paramount properties, but Disney/MGM has another Paramount-brand attraction: Indiana Jones)



I missed it the first time and I have been dying for it to re-open at Neonopolis. However, after reading more about it, I stopped holding my breath.

In the meantime, if you're still holding your breath, here's a poor substitute that will provide a quick gulp of air:

http://www.trektoday.com/content/2009/11/virtual-star-trek-the-experience/
http://www.digitalproperties.ca/exp/
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December 4th, 2009 at 10:16:19 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

You can still, easily, pull up press releases that state that it will open on 5/8/9 in Neonopolis. The opening would coincide with the opening of the movie.

Instead, the Experience never opened, and, ironically, the theater closed on 5/8/9.

I'd love to know what management was thinking. You had to beleive that the movie would be profitable, right? I mean, just how sucky was that theater that the management couldn't resolve to stay open for just a couple more weeks?
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January 16th, 2010 at 1:01:27 PM permalink
I used to meet with Benjamin Spillman (the reporter who used to write on downtown business for the Las Vegas Review Journal). He said someone asked him about this project almost daily. The Neonopolis mall is still in desperate financial shape.
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The owner of the Downtown Cocktail Room , the hip bar across the street, said he would gamble his bar on the ST experience never opening. He has stated publicly that he heard that the company that is storing the equipment is now suing because they haven't been paid.

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The movie theaters has to close when they did. Neonopolis got in a fight with their contractor and their air-conditioning was cut off. It was a sweat box in there. No one wants to go to movies in the summer without AC. Star Trek the Experience was going to try and open at the same time as the new movie opened. Basically if it ever opens is anyone's guess. All the restaurants that were supposed to open vanished. There were two that opened, but they have since closed.
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The casino next door Fitzgeralds is quietly on the market. It was put up to guarantee a $35 million bond last year. Right now it is geared at a fairly old clientelle with about half the machines as penny or nickel machines. I was thinking it might be a showcase for WMS gaming slot machines which prominently feature the Star Trek line of machines. WMS is the former video game company which is developing a lot of innovative slot games and is the darling company of the market right now. It might cater to the clients that want to go to Vegas for two days and the Star Trek Experience would be their primary destination. We have a latino casino, a gay casino, a lot of trendy casinos, so why not a nerd casino? Nerds have a lot of money.
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January 28th, 2010 at 5:48:57 AM permalink
Quote: pacomartin

We have a latino casino, a gay casino, a lot of trendy casinos, so why not a nerd casino? Nerds have a lot of money.


Ahem.

We're GEEKS, not nerds.


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There's a gay casino?
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January 28th, 2010 at 1:42:06 PM permalink
Gay Lesbian Friendly is actually the proper term. When the depression started Harrah's starting marketing directly to GLBT customers. They got Barry Manilow to move over to their showroom at the Paris.

They also started marketing Rio directly to Brazilians and other Latinos. I don't think that is making much difference.

OK, a GEEK Casino. I figure that 7 million people watch NBC Chuck, and a lot more watch CBS Big Bang Theory. Stock up on Star Trek games. Special seminars with the Wizard. Invite the hottest geek heroines like "Summer Glau".

The average TWENTY-ONE table downtown makes $520 a day (231 tables). Now I am sure that the tables at Golden Nugget make a lot more than average.
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I have a theory about blackjack which I would love to test. Perfect for a Geek Casino. You have a game where you must flatbet $100. After every hand a computer reads out the optimal strategy for each player. Whenever the recommended play deviates from basic strategy because of composition dependence or cards that have been previously played and changed the odds the readout explains the reason. At the end of the deck each player says the count, and the computer reads out the count using several different systems. Since it is only flatbetting at $100 the player can't use the count. I would think that single deck game with 90% penetration would make the players more excited.

By using a single deck and high penetration, you would guarantee that sometimes the count would be very high. This would keep players excited. At random intervals you would open up betting from $100 to $500 so that they could test their theory. The casino would run a risk on those times that the count will go high. But players will have to flatbet twenty or thirty times.

Any player who wins $9.9K is a winner. He must stop playing, but his name is added to the winner's board (if he wishes it could be some made up nickname).

The players would get a good game, and top notch training, and I am willing to bet those tables would earn several thousand per day because of the large bets.

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