Does Vegas have a Disney problem?
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Everyone I hear comes back with the same stories. Lowest minimum on the strip is usually $25. 6:5 games (I refuse to call them Blackjack) and 000 Roulette all over the place. Large crowds and long lines, you waiting for your room not it for you. Meanwhile, the gambling podcasts say business is at record levels. (Same podcast laments the former.)
My take is that the market on the Strip has changed. It changed before. Pre-Wynn maybe you went once in a lifetime unless you lived in CA. Then it was the place DINK couples went often. Today it seems to be based on one of three draws, being come to see sports, conventions, and Asian travelers. And it now has a Disney problem of too many lower-end guests taking spots that higher spenders could take. So they keep squeezing on price. Yet record crowds still come so they keep squeezing.
Am I the only one feels this way?
Quote: AZDuffman000 Roulette all over the place.
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I recently learned that triple 0 Roulette was pretty common in the US in the 1800s. The third zero was actually a picture of an eagle, though.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: AZDuffman000 Roulette all over the place.
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I recently learned that triple 0 Roulette was pretty common in the US in the 1800s. The third zero was actually a picture of an eagle, though.
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I really blame state gaming boards. At some point they need to say, "Hey........"
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: TigerWuQuote: AZDuffman000 Roulette all over the place.
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I recently learned that triple 0 Roulette was pretty common in the US in the 1800s. The third zero was actually a picture of an eagle, though.
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I really blame state gaming boards. At some point they need to say, "Hey........"
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Why would they care if roulette has a 7.69% hold when they allow slot machines to have a 20% hold?
Quote: AZDuffmanI have not been to Vegas in almost 20 years. From what I hear I have to wonder if I ever want to go again.
Everyone I hear comes back with the same stories. Lowest minimum on the strip is usually $25. 6:5 games (I refuse to call them Blackjack) and 000 Roulette all over the place. Large crowds and long lines, you waiting for your room not it for you. Meanwhile, the gambling podcasts say business is at record levels. (Same podcast laments the former.)
My take is that the market on the Strip has changed. It changed before. Pre-Wynn maybe you went once in a lifetime unless you lived in CA. Then it was the place DINK couples went often. Today it seems to be based on one of three draws, being come to see sports, conventions, and Asian travelers. And it now has a Disney problem of too many lower-end guests taking spots that higher spenders could take. So they keep squeezing on price. Yet record crowds still come so they keep squeezing.
Am I the only one feels this way?
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Vegas obviously doesn’t have a ‘problem’ in the sense that they can charge more and yet still fill the place up. It may be a problem for ‘you’, but not Vegas.
Isn’t there a ‘Yogi-ism’ that says…. ‘Nobody goes there anymore because it is too crowded….’ I’ll be there next month….
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: AZDuffmanI have not been to Vegas in almost 20 years. From what I hear I have to wonder if I ever want to go again.
Everyone I hear comes back with the same stories. Lowest minimum on the strip is usually $25. 6:5 games (I refuse to call them Blackjack) and 000 Roulette all over the place. Large crowds and long lines, you waiting for your room not it for you. Meanwhile, the gambling podcasts say business is at record levels. (Same podcast laments the former.)
My take is that the market on the Strip has changed. It changed before. Pre-Wynn maybe you went once in a lifetime unless you lived in CA. Then it was the place DINK couples went often. Today it seems to be based on one of three draws, being come to see sports, conventions, and Asian travelers. And it now has a Disney problem of too many lower-end guests taking spots that higher spenders could take. So they keep squeezing on price. Yet record crowds still come so they keep squeezing.
Am I the only one feels this way?
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Vegas obviously doesn’t have a ‘problem’ in the sense that they can charge more and yet still fill the place up. It may be a problem for ‘you’, but not Vegas.
Isn’t there a ‘Yogi-ism’ that says…. ‘Nobody goes there anymore because it is too crowded….’ I’ll be there next month….
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Yes, Vegas has been setting records every quarter since the pandemic.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: AZDuffmanI have not been to Vegas in almost 20 years. From what I hear I have to wonder if I ever want to go again.
Everyone I hear comes back with the same stories. Lowest minimum on the strip is usually $25. 6:5 games (I refuse to call them Blackjack) and 000 Roulette all over the place. Large crowds and long lines, you waiting for your room not it for you. Meanwhile, the gambling podcasts say business is at record levels. (Same podcast laments the former.)
My take is that the market on the Strip has changed. It changed before. Pre-Wynn maybe you went once in a lifetime unless you lived in CA. Then it was the place DINK couples went often. Today it seems to be based on one of three draws, being come to see sports, conventions, and Asian travelers. And it now has a Disney problem of too many lower-end guests taking spots that higher spenders could take. So they keep squeezing on price. Yet record crowds still come so they keep squeezing.
Am I the only one feels this way?
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Vegas obviously doesn’t have a ‘problem’ in the sense that they can charge more and yet still fill the place up. It may be a problem for ‘you’, but not Vegas.
Isn’t there a ‘Yogi-ism’ that says…. ‘Nobody goes there anymore because it is too crowded….’ I’ll be there next month….
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In words fitting Yogi, it's not a problem until it is. Both Vegas and Disney are fascinating in that they keep upping the price yet more people keep coming. A problem kind of arises in that is a little like Buick and Oldsmobile in the 70s. Back then both sold every car they could make, but to the same old customers. 15 years later those people had bought their last car but the next generation moved to something else. Is Vegas driving the next generation of guests to something else?
Currently a problem for "me" as I hate Disney style crowds. I hate being nickled and dimed at every turn. Question is when does the normal person get as fed up as me and stop coming?
Quote: billryanIt sounds like their marketing is working perfectly. The folks they don't want think it is their idea not to go, as they break new records.
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Now that there's the cleverest disguise I've ever seen for the clown with his hand so tall saying 'You must be this tall to ride'.
I don’t gamble a ton when I’m there. A couple hours a day. But there’s great restaurants, great pools, great entertainment. If I go with a group, we will bet and watch sports and relax.
It’s not for people who want to play $10 blackjack and eat cheaply. So I get people not liking it. But it fits perfectly for me and my vacation habits.
And now we don't go as often or for as long. Some of our recent trips there were to take a flight from McCarran Harry Reid Intl to Europe ( we have family in the San Diego area ).
As you may have seen from my other posts, we think the Cruise Line perks are much better than Vegas. They are for us. "Your results may vary".
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Until about 6 or 7 years ago, I went to Las Vegas 2 or 3 times a year, every year, for the previous 15 or 20 years. It was fun, affordable and exciting to go. Now it's none of those things. I can go to a casino in almost any State I go to, including my own State. It's not affordable anymore. There's not much fun about it anymore. I have no plans to go back even though I get free rooms at any Ceasars property or The Cosmopolitan.
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That about covers it..
in terms of quality restaurants (even though they may be overrated and a poor value), Vegas has all your brand name chefs and high end cuisines within a few mile radius, which perhaps only New York may rival. For young people with too much money to burn, the nightclubs are great in that they can lose inhibitions and have fun without someone back home seeing, or even recognizing someone working there as a person who knew them in high school or college.
Personally, I play video poker and California has many great casinos for that, but the big resorts there are self contained and have little in the way of tourist attractions. Of course, I can shoot dice in Vegas, I can’t do that in California (rolling dice to turn over a card doesn’t count). But LVCVA studies have shown that the percentage of a Vegas vacation going to gambling keeps dropping. There are a lot of people with too much money, especially young people living off inheritances or on tech/law/consulting salaries, that love to play hard with folks they know from other parts of the country and they keep the tourist casino/resorts rolling.
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Currently a problem for "me" as I hate Disney style crowds. I hate being nickled and dimed at every turn. Question is when does the normal person get as fed up as me and stop coming?
I am guessing that you never had small kids. I can't imagine how one could not take kids to Disney at least once. It is almost a right of passage. I haven't been to Disney in close to 30 years and I now live in Florida. The kids love Disney so parents budget and save to take their kids. Probably close to $1000 for a family to go.
Quote: calwatchWhile serious gamblers are often finding better values at their local casinos,
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Quote: Zcore13I can go to a casino in almost any State I go to, including my own State.
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I always hear people say this, but every casino I've been to in a non-Vegas state sucks in comparison. I've been to Tunica a few times, and I've been to casinos in California, Indiana, Illinois, and Oklahoma. Vegas blows all of those places away by far. What states are you people visiting that has casinos on par with Vegas, let alone better? I'm just not seeing it...
Quote: TigerWuQuote: calwatchWhile serious gamblers are often finding better values at their local casinos,
link to original postQuote: Zcore13I can go to a casino in almost any State I go to, including my own State.
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I always hear people say this, but every casino I've been to in a non-Vegas state sucks in comparison. I've been to Tunica a few times, and I've been to casinos in California, Indiana, Illinois, and Oklahoma. Vegas blows all of those places away by far. What states are you people visiting that has casinos on par with Vegas, let alone better? I'm just not seeing it...
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If you are going just to gamble there is not much difference between Vegas casinos and other large casinos. Where Vegas excels is dining and entertainment.
You folks are all correct.. There is no reason to go to Vegas. Tell your friends.
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Currently a problem for "me" as I hate Disney style crowds. I hate being nickled and dimed at every turn. Question is when does the normal person get as fed up as me and stop coming?
I am guessing that you never had small kids. I can't imagine how one could not take kids to Disney at least once. It is almost a right of passage. I haven't been to Disney in close to 30 years and I now live in Florida. The kids love Disney so parents budget and save to take their kids. Probably close to $1000 for a family to go.
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Never wanted kids so, no. The thing is Disney is why I called it a Disney problem. I just heard about the Star Wars attraction. Now, it is rated as great. But the family has a choice of waiting almost half their day to enter or dropping a C-note and still waiting but for much less time. Disney keeps raising the price to lessen the crowds but they keep coming. I see some of those Disney how-to YT videos and see the wait times or all you have to do and give a "what are you people......on dope?" about the whole thing.
If you know what you're doing, with even the littlest bit of planning you don't have to wait long at all. Now that they've done away with free fast passes, it's a little trickier, but still pretty easy. These people that go to Disney and complain they're waiting in lines for 2, 3, or 4 hours are going at peak times of the year, on peak days, and doing zero planning. Those wait times are far from average.
It's probably easier with technology if you for some reason couldn't remember what lot you parked in, if you drove there. Each lot was a letter and each lot was about as many cars as a large casino, and they had most of the alphabet covered. You were in parking hell if for some reason you didn't know where you car was back then.
Never been west to Disney Land.
Quote: DRichI don't know if they still do it but in the old days we would stay at one of the Disney hotels and they let you into the park an hour before the general public. You could get right on the attractions.
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They still do that. It rotates around, though.... different parks are open early on different days, and sometimes they're open later instead of earlier.
Quote: DRichI don't know if they still do it but in the old days we would stay at one of the Disney hotels and they let you into the park an hour before the general public. You could get right on the attractions.
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The best AP move used to be bring a veteran in a wheelchair. Then a few disabled vets started renting themselves out as props and ruined it.
When I have to wait even 20 minutes for anything it will ruin my mood for hours. Probably a me problem….. I’ve walked out of doctors waiting rooms and switched doctors/medical centers over waiting for appointments 30-45 minutes after appointment time.
Quote: mcallister3200I now live in a world where waiting 15-45 minutes for something that takes 5 minutes is “not long at all.”
When I have to wait even 20 minutes for anything it will ruin my mood for hours. Probably a me problem….. I’ve walked out of doctors waiting rooms and switched doctors/medical centers over waiting for appointments 30-45 minutes after appointment time.
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I agree, waiting is for peasants. Don't they know who I am?
Quote: mcallister3200I now live in a world where waiting 15-45 minutes for something that takes 5 minutes is “not long at all.”
When I have to wait even 20 minutes for anything it will ruin my mood for hours. Probably a me problem….. I’ve walked out of doctors waiting rooms and switched doctors/medical centers over waiting for appointments 30-45 minutes after appointment time.
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EVERY business should offer a text message service. You would get a text message when you're appt is within a certain amount of time. At least ones that typically make you wait.
You shouldn't get stuck in a waiting room at a minimum.
Quote: DRichQuote: mcallister3200I now live in a world where waiting 15-45 minutes for something that takes 5 minutes is “not long at all.”
When I have to wait even 20 minutes for anything it will ruin my mood for hours. Probably a me problem….. I’ve walked out of doctors waiting rooms and switched doctors/medical centers over waiting for appointments 30-45 minutes after appointment time.
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I agree, waiting is for peasants. Don't they know who I am?
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I’m a peasant who wasn’t blessed with patience.
Quote: EvenBobThis is what I see in videos of crowds at Disney World, literally tons and tons of morbidly obese people. What has Disney got that the morbidly obese are fascinated with.
Front of line passes
Quote: DRichQuote: mcallister3200I now live in a world where waiting 15-45 minutes for something that takes 5 minutes is “not long at all.”
When I have to wait even 20 minutes for anything it will ruin my mood for hours. Probably a me problem….. I’ve walked out of doctors waiting rooms and switched doctors/medical centers over waiting for appointments 30-45 minutes after appointment time.
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I agree, waiting is for peasants. Don't they know who I am?
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You don't have people for that?
Quote: rxwineEVERY business should offer a text message service. You would get a text message when you're appt is within a certain amount of time. At least ones that typically make you wait.
You shouldn't get stuck in a waiting room at a minimum.
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Actually, Disney has started doing exactly that. They have what they call a "virtual queue" system for some of the more popular rides. You still have to wait in line a few minutes to get on the ride, but it's better than waiting an hour or more.
I suppose it is more fun looking at the mistresses and trophy wives of the wealthy than the Real Housewives of Council Bluffs.Quote: billryanSpend a few hours people-watching poolside in Vegas. Then repeat the experiment in Laughlin or Tunica.
You folks are all correct.. There is no reason to go to Vegas. Tell your friends.
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Quote: MentalI suppose it is more fun looking at the mistresses and trophy wives of the wealthy than the Real Housewives of Council Bluffs.Quote: billryanSpend a few hours people-watching poolside in Vegas. Then repeat the experiment in Laughlin or Tunica.
You folks are all correct.. There is no reason to go to Vegas. Tell your friends.
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Off topic, but I guess most of you have not been to Council Bluffs. It is actually a nice city and beats living in that next door metropolis of Omaha.
I flopped a flush on a 10-play video poker machine at the Horseshoe and discarded the lowest card. I drew a Royal on four of the ten lines.
I think Horseshoe is as attractive a casino as most in Las Vegas. The Harrahs boat was a rust bucket. The food is better in Vegas but a better value in Council Bluffs, IMO.
I will be in Vegas in December mostly to get to the Grand Canyon. Most of my Vegas trips have been to get there or Bryce and Zion.
Tunica isn't my favorite destination, but Biloxi has many properties that are better than a bunch of lesser properties on the strip. Is anyone waxing poetic about Harrahs LV?
Quote: MentalIs anyone waxing poetic about Harrahs LV?
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I mean, they have/had one of the best Pai Gow Tile games in town. They also have/had $50 midi bacc on the main floor.
Haven't played there in a while so I don't know if either of those things are still there, but for a while it was a great place for Asian games players.
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Tunica isn't my favorite destination, but Biloxi has many properties that are better than a bunch of lesser properties on the strip. Is anyone waxing poetic about Harrahs LV?
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I spent a lot of time in Tunica when they were building the casinos. We used to have to drive 20 minutes to get a sandwich for lunch and the closest place was a gas station out of the 1950's. Every night we would drive back in to Memphis for hotel rooms.
Quote: calwatchWhile serious gamblers are often finding better values at their local casinos, Vegas does have some benefits for mass affluent types. First, it’s a great location for disparate people to get together. Whether it is a family reunion, buddies from college for a bachelor/bachelorette party, intimate Vegas wedding, etc. there are nonstop flights from almost every major city in the country and quite a few minor ones. It has a large concentration of bands and shows that people want to see. Cirque du Soleil, for instance, comes to a second tier city every few years, but can be caught every day in Vegas.
in terms of quality restaurants (even though they may be overrated and a poor value), Vegas has all your brand name chefs and high end cuisines within a few mile radius, which perhaps only New York may rival. For young people with too much money to burn, the nightclubs are great in that they can lose inhibitions and have fun without someone back home seeing, or even recognizing someone working there as a person who knew them in high school or college.
Personally, I play video poker and California has many great casinos for that, but the big resorts there are self contained and have little in the way of tourist attractions. Of course, I can shoot dice in Vegas, I can’t do that in California (rolling dice to turn over a card doesn’t count). But LVCVA studies have shown that the percentage of a Vegas vacation going to gambling keeps dropping. There are a lot of people with too much money, especially young people living off inheritances or on tech/law/consulting salaries, that love to play hard with folks they know from other parts of the country and they keep the tourist casino/resorts rolling.
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You make some valid points about the appeal of Las Vegas for various types of visitors, from family reunions to entertainment seekers and partygoers. The city's convenience, entertainment options, and dining variety certainly contribute to its popularity. While gambling remains a part of the Vegas experience, it's clear that the city offers much more than just casinos, attracting a diverse range of travelers.
Anyway, Vegas is my Disneyland. So many things to do and so many great places to eat. For gambling, I go off the strip. You don't have to go far — Ellis Island is just a couple blocks away!
They used to say San Francisco is a city-sized theme park, but I think Vegas has that title in my heart.
The food is better than ever, and we enjoyed the spectacle of it all, but we’re getting older and the travel wears us down. I don’t think we’re going again any time soon.
