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April 16th, 2019 at 2:32:40 PM permalink

For what the tickets cost you'd think they could afford some dumpsters. These organizers are like master puppeteers. I just can't believe there are so many willing to engage in this very one-sided event that predominantly benefits some hypocritical organizers.

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April 16th, 2019 at 3:59:50 PM permalink

It isn't okay to create a whole lot of trash and then have someone else pay to have it handled.

These folks need to pay for their own trash to be disposed of instead of using the resources of others. I get tossing a bag of fast food stuff in the trash while at the filling station getting some gas...but not days worth of crap.

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April 16th, 2019 at 4:05:54 PM permalink

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It isn't okay to create a whole lot of trash and then have someone else pay to have it handled.

These folks need to pay for their own trash to be disposed of instead of using the resources of others. I get tossing a bag of fast food stuff in the trash while at the filling station getting some gas...but not days worth of crap.

If I'm paying hundreds of dollars to stay in a tent city for ten days, I expect trash removal to be included. If not, you have more fuel for your bonfire.

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April 30th, 2019 at 2:56:52 PM permalink

Some Burning man news

https://blog.showclix.com/showclix-addresses-burning-mans-high-demand-main-sale/
This is from the company Showclix regarding ticket sales
"For any high-demand on-sale, we anticipate and prepare for a number of situations. Shortly after ticket sales went live, we noticed an isolated service performing slowly. We have systems in place to automatically resolve these issues if they occur. When the automated system did not respond as quickly as anticipated, we made the decision to manually intervene. Unfortunately, this manual intervention caused unintended side effects that ultimately lead to the issues that many of you experienced. Bot traffic is also something that we deal with routinely and are prepared for. It was not the primary cause for Wednesday�s issues but contributed to a slow system recovery."

https://www.rgj.com/story/life/arts/burning-man/2018/09/14/747-airplane-burning-man-still-sitting-black-rock-desert/1304974002/
I see Burning Man organizers are pretty furious about new regulations they have to follow to use the public land
They claim that the dumpster requirement is "�logistically and financially crippling."
WTF
Every large event in the country takes care of trash so the BM excuse is pure BS
Nearby residents are pretty furious at the junk BM leaves behind
Last year they left a Boeing 747 behind. WTF.
Follow the rules or hold this event on private land
How did they get away with holding this event on public land for so long and then dumping trash in the surrounding communities
Seems like a greedy selfish organization.
https://mic.com/articles/193074/why-burning-man-attendees-are-worried-new-laws-could-change-the-festival-forever#.QDCIQ4Z9Z

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June 15th, 2019 at 5:35:27 PM permalink

I've heard there is a local Burning Man event in Las Vegas. So I asked to join the Las Vegas burners Facebook group. Imagine my pleasant surprise when their application for entry contained this question! I will be proud to be among fellow trigonometry aficionados.

Can you get the answer to side B, which I presume is opposite angle B.

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June 15th, 2019 at 5:43:06 PM permalink

Quote: Wizard
I've heard there is a local Burning Man event in Las Vegas. So I asked to join the Las Vegas burners Facebook group. Imagine my pleasant surprise when their application for entry contained this question! I will be proud to be among fellow trigonometry aficionados.

Can you get the answer to side B, which I presume is opposite angle B.

That was a trick question. They are trying to figure out who not to let in.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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June 15th, 2019 at 6:31:58 PM permalink

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That was a trick question. They are trying to figure out who not to let in.

That is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.

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June 16th, 2019 at 6:51:55 AM permalink

Quote: Wizard
I've heard there is a local Burning Man event in Las Vegas. So I asked to join the Las Vegas burners Facebook group. Imagine my pleasant surprise when their application for entry contained this question! I will be proud to be among fellow trigonometry aficionados.

Can you get the answer to side B, which I presume is opposite angle B.

the 3 angles have to add up to 180 degrees; answer 140.75 degrees. Alex tipped me off not to ponder my old and rusty trigonometry, which is what will get you the answer to the second question. To answer that I would have to google some trig formulas, but someone will have the answer before me so ...

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June 16th, 2019 at 7:16:14 AM permalink

I get 3.51 for side B which doesn't sound right

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June 16th, 2019 at 1:17:13 PM permalink

I get b=23.728ish

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June 16th, 2019 at 6:01:40 PM permalink

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I get b=23.728ish

23.50202581

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June 16th, 2019 at 7:32:46 PM permalink

I actually agree - just can't read own chicken scratches...


 a=32
A=22.75
B=16.5
sin(A)=0.3867
sin(B)=0.2840

   a       b
----- = -----
sin(A)  sin(B)


  32        b
------ = ------
0.3867   0.2840


32(0.2840)   b(0.2840)
---------- = ---------
0.3867         0.2840



9.0885     
------ = b
0.3867


23.5027 = b

or b=23.502025885319938070982257659078 if you want to be pedantic.

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June 17th, 2019 at 3:19:01 AM permalink

though I got the wrong answer and knew it, I think I used a sound method to solve and just couldn't find my mistake. Interesting that it was the first time I've used the sin/cos/tan functions on a calculator - they didn't have that back in the day. I think to get a value for something weird like 16.5 degrees you'd use a slide rule?

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June 17th, 2019 at 9:03:31 AM permalink

The way I solved this was to first find the height, h, as:

sin(16.5) = h/32.
h = 32*sin(16.5) = 9.0885

Then solve for B as:

sin(a) = sin(22.75) = 9.0885/B
B = 9.0885/sin(22.75)
B = 23.502

You can also use the law of sines, which says sin(b)/B = sin(a)/A, which is what I did in a roundabout way.

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June 21st, 2019 at 2:25:12 PM permalink

Might want to bury your drugs in advance of this year's festivities. Had no idea you could wind up on a terror watch list for attending either. Would suck to be no fly'd as a result of attending.

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/73373/feds-say-they-plan-on-drug-testing-every-single-person-attending-burning.html

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August 8th, 2019 at 8:05:41 PM permalink

Famous people that have attended Burning Man
Susan Sarandon
The Winklevoss twins
Katy Perry
Diddy (Sean Combs)
Elon Musk
Paris Hilton
Will Smith
Mark Zuckerberg

https://www.inc.com/melanie-curtin/11-famous-people-you-didnt-know-go-to-burning-man-no-5-might-surprise-you.html

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August 8th, 2019 at 8:33:06 PM permalink

Quote: terapined
Famous people that have attended Burning Man
Susan Sarandon
The Winklevoss twins
Katy Perry
Diddy (Sean Combs)
Elon Musk
Paris Hilton
Will Smith
Mark Zuckerberg

They left off "Michael Shackleford"

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August 9th, 2019 at 3:19:58 AM permalink

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They left off "Michael Shackleford"

you beat me to it.

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August 24th, 2019 at 5:14:14 AM permalink

Review in the WSJ of a book about Burning Man includes this "old joke" that

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Burning Man week is the nicest time of the year in San Francisco

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August 24th, 2019 at 7:27:05 AM permalink

I don't think I can wade through the whole business of this thread, which I gather was a frustrating exercise in which the Wizard failed to get tickets even though people were trying to help. From the review, link below*, I understand that this originated in San Francisco. Is the problem that San Franciscans have the inside track to get tickets?

btw the review author, who has attended in the past, is contemptuous of the idea that the event has been world-changing.

Quote: the review
The idea of a party so good that it can change the world is not exactly new. A few decades ago, it was called a �happening� or a �be-in.� The notion that a brief frenzy of cordoned-off transgression might actually buttress the status quo is as old as the ancient Roman Saturnalia

*the review is behind a paywall unfortunately

https://www.wsj.com/articles/radical-ritual-review-believing-in-burning-man-11566510188

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August 24th, 2019 at 7:42:16 AM permalink

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I don't think I can wade through the whole business of this thread, which I gather was a frustrating exercise in which the Wizard failed to get tickets even though people were trying to help. From the review, link below*, I understand that this originated in San Francisco. Is the problem that San Franciscans have the inside track to get tickets?

btw the review author, who has attended in the past, is contemptuous of the idea that the event has been world-changing.

*the review is behind a paywall unfortunately

https://www.wsj.com/articles/radical-ritual-review-believing-in-burning-man-11566510188

The tl:dr on the thread is that a bunch of us (9 or so) jumped thru all the burning man hoops for a couple months of deadlines, and on the day tix were made available, the 3rd party vendor screwed it up in a major way. Registered applicants got jerked around for hours, but people who went on site incognito or via non-standard OS were able to buy immediately and repeatedly.

The event sold out within about an hour, but supposedly we were in a queue. That never updated from the stroke of 12 noon (except blarney filled platitudes) while other people went around the queue via side tunnels after the start time, and bought out the tickets we were waiting for.

You had to assume (imo) that it could be a processing issue, and that your assigned queue spot was held for you to purchase the tickets you were in line for, and the server knew you were in line, or it would have informed you there were no more tickets. But no, you were immediately in limbo and never served or counted instead. Not knowing that, you had to wait to either get to the processing screen or be notified the tickets were gone. Neither happened.

After about 2 hours, those of us in the queue were just bounced out (backward) to the queue sign-in page with no further explanation, when they reset the server. No notice the event was sold out or other info.

It was a total abrogation of both their process and supposed principles, but other than a vague apology they never did anything else about it. So that event can bite me - they lost me completely for wasting my time. The only people they served were the scalpers.

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August 24th, 2019 at 9:58:38 AM permalink

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It was a total abrogation of both their process and supposed principles, but other than a vague apology they never did anything else about it. So that event can bite me - they lost me completely for wasting my time. The only people they served were the scalpers.

The scalpers are viewed by them as their customers just as the post office views their customers to be the bulk mailers.

The side doors, tunnels and strange operating systems were not just lucky whims of the scalpers.

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August 24th, 2019 at 10:13:22 AM permalink

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It was a total abrogation of both their process and supposed principles, but other than a vague apology they never did anything else about it. So that event can bite me - they lost me completely for wasting my time. The only people they served were the scalpers.

So... like every single concert or sporting event since Ticketmaster's inception? lol

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August 24th, 2019 at 10:52:51 AM permalink

Quote: Face
So... like every single concert or sporting event since Ticketmaster's inception? lol

The point particular to Burning Man was they made all kinds of a fuss about having a ridiculously convoluted application process for tickets before you were "allowed" to buy them. You had to plow through and agree a purity vow (including not scalping your tickets), give them a bunch of personal information on a profile with a lot of mandatory entries, read about their purpose, and take a friggin test. You had to hit application windows twice in the months before you were in the pool for ticket eligibility. And, after all that, while only allowing 2 tickets per person to an event without seating or even walls, they effed over everybody who went to the trouble of playing their exclusive little game.

Screw those full-of-themselves hypocrites.

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August 24th, 2019 at 4:11:24 PM permalink

They should make burning man free so it�s more equitable and fair. Those who are rich should subsidize the costs and make donations.

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August 24th, 2019 at 5:53:43 PM permalink

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They should make burning man free so it�s more equitable and fair. Those who are rich should subsidize the costs and make donations.

Poor people have common sense enough not to want to spend their vacation breathing dust in the middle of nowhere.

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August 25th, 2019 at 3:05:09 AM permalink

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Poor people have common sense enough not to want to spend their vacation breathing dust in the middle of nowhere.

they prefer to spend it here...

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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August 25th, 2019 at 3:59:04 AM permalink

As everyone knows, largely because of that fiasco with the online ticket sale, I didn't go this year.

However, I did help drive an RV from Vegas to Reno. A friend going rented one in RV and asked for my help driving it to Reno, where another burner would join and they would continue the rest of the way.

Before and after BM, Reno is full of burners, so it gave me a bit of a BM contact high. On my flight home yesterday, the Reno airport was full of images of BM art. People with BM had a big table set up to help burners with questions and the Burner Express.

Next year I plan to give going another shot. I mentioned this before, but I have a friend with a big modern luxury trailer and pick-up capable of towing it, which he said he would rent to me at a reasonable cost. I'm looking for a group of about six, including me. If anyone is interested, I'm forming a list now. No obligation, just an "I'm interested Wiz" list. Anyone care to join?

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August 25th, 2019 at 4:25:34 AM permalink

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Anyone care to join?

I would, but I understand it's a great week to visit San Francisco instead.

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August 25th, 2019 at 5:47:14 AM permalink

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Anyone care to join?

You don't have enough money to pay me! The overwhelming dust bowl is NOT an attraction. I think you can get one of my doctor friends to go again. But the rest have come to their senses.........

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August 25th, 2019 at 6:42:36 AM permalink

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You don't have enough money to pay me! The overwhelming dust bowl is NOT an attraction. I think you can get one of my doctor friends to go again. But the rest have come to their senses.........

I think about 80% of the population would just hate BM, and I would put you squarely in the group. Maybe the topless women would give you some satisfaction, however.

In case anyone is interested: Burning Man forecast: Dust storms, 100-degree temps and lightning all possible.

I can testify that Nevada has been running hot the last couple weeks.

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August 25th, 2019 at 6:50:42 AM permalink

I've been to a few events where many woman chose to go topless, and the lasting impressions usually are not of the girls you wished were topless but instead the memories are of seeing things no one should see.

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August 25th, 2019 at 6:51:49 AM permalink

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they prefer to spend it here...

You are confusing work conditions with vacations.

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August 25th, 2019 at 9:44:09 AM permalink

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I've been to a few events where many woman chose to go topless, and the lasting impressions usually are not of the girls you wished were topless but instead the memories are of seeing things no one should see.

Women probably say the same thing of us.

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August 25th, 2019 at 7:38:19 PM permalink

I'm at least trying to feel the Burn through the media. Here are some stories thus far:

Man arrested at Burning Man site charged with sexual assault

NDOT: Highway 34 reopened, could take 'some time' for traffic to clear

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August 25th, 2019 at 8:18:48 PM permalink

I believe a person needs to be somewhat happy being the subject of sadistic behavior in order to attend the burn.

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August 26th, 2019 at 4:22:51 AM permalink

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...event without seating or even walls...

Technically there is a trash fence...

https://journal.burningman.org/2016/05/black-rock-city/leaving-no-trace/the-origin-story-of-the-brc-trash-fence/

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August 26th, 2019 at 5:07:27 AM permalink

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Technically there is a trash fence...

I went out there. I thought it was meant as a boundary. On the other side are police vehicles. I think they are there to catch intercept people trying to sneak in without paying and maybe prevent people from straying too far away and perhaps dying from the elements.

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August 26th, 2019 at 9:44:54 AM permalink

If you drive up in a Winnebago and say there are six people inside, does anyone check for extra bodies? What's security like at the entrances? Is it mostly volunteers?

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August 26th, 2019 at 1:27:17 PM permalink

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If you drive up in a Winnebago and say there are six people inside, does anyone check for extra bodies? What's security like at the entrances? Is it mostly volunteers?

They probably have everyone exit and then do a cabin search for stowaways and contraband. Hipsters don't trust each other. Especially when it comes to getting paid.

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August 26th, 2019 at 3:35:37 PM permalink

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If you drive up in a Winnebago and say there are six people inside, does anyone check for extra bodies? What's security like at the entrances? Is it mostly volunteers?

They are very serious about stowaways. When I arrived last year in an SUV they looked carefully through all the windows. I imagine they do search RV's. I'll ask when my friend who took one there this year gets back. I have heard if they find one, they seize everybody's ticket in the vehicle and send them away.

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August 26th, 2019 at 5:16:09 PM permalink

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They are very serious about stowaways. When I arrived last year in an SUV they looked carefully through all the windows. I imagine they do search RV's. I'll ask when my friend who took one there this year gets back. I have heard if they find one, they seize everybody's ticket in the vehicle and send them away.

We should hire their team at the boarder.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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