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Tiltpoul
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May 7th, 2012 at 3:30:32 PM permalink
The question for the poll is:

" Should new members be required to read both the 10 Commandments of Gambling and the page Betting Systems from the Wizard of Odds page?"

I love reading articles on various gambling topics. However, much like the spam problem, it seems like we're getting a lot of first time posters who believe there are ways to game the system through a betting technique. Debates on the issue are often fruitless or repeat the same information, which basically reiterates the information found on the webpage. I would love to see a quiz that requires new members to pass the basic information before being approved.

This may sound silly, and maybe it is. But I posted recently on a roulette betting system question here. Not to pick on this particular thread, the information is going to yield the same result... an eventual loss. I also note that this poster is brand new to the forum, joining today, and both posts are in this particular topic.

Am I the only one on here who gets tired of this? Maybe the math people enjoy crunching the numbers, and I just need to skip over the threads. However, to me, this problem is getting rampant and kind of like those ccs and fresh dumps.

Feel free to comment... If you vote other, PLEASE give a reason.
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DJTeddyBear
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May 7th, 2012 at 3:50:43 PM permalink
Other.

Yes - It should be required reading.

No - Nobody reads anything before clicking the "I agree" button.
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Tiltpoul
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May 7th, 2012 at 3:54:52 PM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Other.

Yes - It should be required reading.

No - Nobody reads anything before clicking the "I agree" button.



I know, I actually thought of that. I figure new posters will continue to post about a system they are sure will win in the long run. However, if it gets one person who maybe thinks they have a system to think otherwise, then it will help. It could also be a way to prevent spam, and if somebody get 100% on a possible quiz (which I only addressed in my post, not as part of the question) they would be allowed to make more than 10 posts.

Of course, I'm sure a spammer could get around that, so maybe that's not such a great idea... at least the quiz part.
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May 7th, 2012 at 3:56:31 PM permalink
They should be required to read the Forum Rules and demonstrate that they have done so, perhaps by answering a few questions.
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FinsRule
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May 7th, 2012 at 3:59:20 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul



...and I just need to skip over the threads...



That's my vote.
thecesspit
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May 7th, 2012 at 4:08:33 PM permalink
The Betting Systems sub-forum can be nasty. I like it there most of the time, as I enjoy the simple maths of most systems presented. Some people seem too quick to jump in on another new poster discovering that they have a perfect system. Everyone has to learn somehow.
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May 7th, 2012 at 4:18:02 PM permalink
Agreed. If someone is asking a genuine question, why not let them be helped? I don't like the idea of limiting membership to make this an exclusive club.
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May 7th, 2012 at 4:23:33 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul

and I just need to skip over the threads.


or, you could just create multiple threads on why you won't skip over threads that irk you. For example, I won't be returning to this thread since the answer to your question is so simple.

Bob, what say you?
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May 7th, 2012 at 4:42:27 PM permalink
The answer is... "Absolutely Not!" As long as there is a betting systems section, those who dont enjoy that type of discussion can avoid it. Why would anyone possibly care about what they don't have to read about?
rainman
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May 7th, 2012 at 5:50:31 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

The answer is... "Absolutely Not!" As long as there is a betting systems section, those who dont enjoy that type of discussion can avoid it. Why would anyone possibly care about what they don't have to read about?



We have a winner ladies and gents its soopoo. The problem isnt someone asking a redundant question. That happens every where all day every day. You can choose not to reply. YOU can also choose to skip the thread.There will always be people coming here who dont know or havnt heard yet.
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May 7th, 2012 at 6:18:23 PM permalink
Quote: Tiltpoul


Am I the only one on here who gets tired of this? Maybe the math people enjoy crunching the numbers, and I just need to skip over the threads. However, to me, this problem is getting rampant and kind of like those ccs and fresh dumps.

Feel free to comment... If you vote other, PLEASE give a reason.


As long as they post in the Betting System Forum they are fine with me.

At least in the Recent Threads pages one can see what Topic the thread was posted in.
Easy to not read any of them.

Maybe that can be added to the Forums/Recent Thread area, but I think JB already said there is not much room for that.

The Wizard has given all betting system posters a safe place to ask their questions.
And at least they get some better answers (from some math) here and not just "It does not work in the long run".
Eventually I think that will slow to a crawl, since they can read what others have posted before.
Doc
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May 7th, 2012 at 6:29:00 PM permalink
Quote: guido111

And at least they get some better answers (from some math) here and not just "It does not work in the long run".


Would you consider it reasonable for the first response to the I've-got-a-system-nobody-thought-of-before post to be, "Have you thoroughly read and understood ________?", where the blank points them to info on why betting systems never work? If they claim they understand that stuff, then the conversation can jump to, "Exactly why doesn't that stuff apply to your systsm?", before struggling to do all of the math for yet another almost identical system. Then, the detailed math should only be needed in a very few cases. Of course, the Wizard has already pointed out that such system believers are almost never convinced by the math anyway until their wallets are severely damaged.
Tiltpoul
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May 7th, 2012 at 6:38:44 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

Would you consider it reasonable for the first response to the I've-got-a-system-nobody-thought-of-before post to be, "Have you thoroughly read and understood ________?", where the blank points them to info on why betting systems never work? If they claim they understand that stuff, then the conversation can jump to, "Exactly why doesn't that stuff apply to your systsm?", before struggling to do all of the math for yet another almost identical system. Then, the detailed math should only be needed in a very few cases. Of course, the Wizard has already pointed out that such system believers are almost never convinced by the math anyway until their wallets are severely damaged.



Thanks Doc!

Furthermore, the Wizard has already stated that he wouldn't accept emails about a systems and verifying the math for it. I know this is a forum for many walks of life, but to me, a discussion that ALWAYS ends in the same answer really isn't a discussion.

I also note that those who are highly critical of this don't point out that I said anything about getting rid of the betting systems threads. IN FACT, it's quite the opposite. New members should have the right to post on what they want. How many of them bother to read anything from Wizard of Odds (which is most likely their portal to this page) before jumping on? That's my question. If they read some material FIRST, then they can be more informed before making a post like that.

Many of the ones who are being critical have already said they aren't coming back to check on this thread. Those people, like those with betting systems, don't want a discussion; they want an answer that supports their cause. I think there are two sides to this debate, and what may seem like a "simple answer" to some might actually have some meat behind it if you just stop to think about what it would mean for the quality of threads.

And as I also stated in my original post, I might be silly for thinking this... I welcome the comments.
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July 7th, 2013 at 1:45:17 PM permalink
I don't want to single anyone out but there really should be a way to get new members to read the Forum Rules.
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July 7th, 2013 at 8:42:47 PM permalink
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July 7th, 2013 at 9:59:05 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

How about a quiz?



I think this would be the only feasible option, but it does seem a bit cheesy at the same time. But then again, the Wizard always made you answer a basic math problem before submitting a question to him. I submitted 3 in the past I think. Two he answered, and one he didn't (for a good reason...no one else out there would care).
Ibeatyouraces
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July 7th, 2013 at 10:06:07 PM permalink
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July 7th, 2013 at 10:36:41 PM permalink
My last email to the Wizard was in 2009, which was a clarification about one of his articles, it looks like. So definitely was forced to answer a math question then for sure.

And my last question was this:

At a 10-handed table of Texas Hold'em, if the flop has ranks X, Y, and Z, what is the probability all three players have a set at a 10-handed table (ans: 1 in 64,740)? A couple of years later, it happened to me at a 6-max table on PokerStars (at 6-max 1 in 388,439 given X, Y, Z flop or 1 in 468,996 given any flop type)...lol I had the top set and held. :)
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July 8th, 2013 at 3:21:38 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

At a 10-handed table of Texas Hold'em, if the flop has ranks X, Y, and Z, what is the probability all three players have a set at a 10-handed table (ans: 1 in 64,740)? A couple of years later, it happened to me at a 6-max table on PokerStars (at 6-max 1 in 388,439 given X, Y, Z flop or 1 in 468,996 given any flop type)...lol I had the top set and held. :)



this happens even in live casinos.

Here's my favorite story.

Im under the gun with AA at a $200 buy in cash game. BB is $5. I raise to $25 pre flop.

Next player (I will call him Player X) re-raises to $50. Next two players both call.
Button and the blinds fold, I reraise to $100.
Player X goes all in for about $225.
Next two players also go all in for less.
I have AA so obviously I am going to call (I was the big stack so I had some chips left).

Before the dealer can put down the flop, Player X shows me his hand and says, "can you beat this?" He holds up KK.

I say "yes" and I flash my AA.

The other two players each turn over AK.

I'm looking at a $900 pot and saying "it's all mine."

The river made a 7 high straight. Four way chop.

Did I tell you about the shooter who rolled 18 yos at Caesars?
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July 8th, 2013 at 6:29:41 AM permalink
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KB1
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July 9th, 2013 at 5:55:09 PM permalink
Greetings,I just signed up to the site.
I have been watching yall go at each other for about 1.5 years now.
When I saw this post I knew it was finally time to sign up.
I have probably read almost everything on this site.
The first time I went to the craps table I didn't buy-in and start playing,I watched the action first.
I enjoy reading yall's stories and have quite a few of my own.
I mainly play in MS and IL.

Look forward to mixing it up with everyone.
Thanks to The Wiz, I love your work,great job man and keep it up.

KB1
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July 9th, 2013 at 8:21:58 PM permalink
It is the nature of a forum.
You have people who have been on the forum forever, and have seem most every topic discussed ad nauseum.
You have new people join who probably should search for their topic, but rarely do. (I try to when I join a new forum, but many times it takes DAYS to find a thread that fits your question. Asking a new question is easier, and lazier).

Finally, let's face it, there are only so many new questions you can really ask about casino gambling. I love craps, but I haven't really seen any new new topics about craps in a couple of years..... other than the bias dice which of course, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I say let the noobs ask their repeat questions, or bring on their winning systems. If no one answers them, so be it. But, on this board, they will get an answer, even if it is someone pointing them to the old thread. I say, if this bothers you, use the thread block option. My $.02 , that and a glass of water gets you ??
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