Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: AxelWolfLosing Buzz is definitely a sizable loss.
The guys who begins with B. Such trouble makers. Could never let things go.
Quote: rdw4potusLOL! Come on now...the 76ers exist!
When the Sixers roll off 3 Championships between 2016-2021, you will be saying "I knew they were doing the right thing...Hinkie is a genius, etc".
Quote: BozWhen the Sixers roll off 3 Championships between 2016-2021, you will be saying "I knew they were doing the right thing...Hinkie is a genius, etc".
Forever changing the meaning of "that's a little hink(ie)".
Quote: AxelWolfBuzz probably wouldn't play online. I don't think Mickey would pass up a good opportunity online. There are good online opportunities all the time. It's part Research and part treasure hunt and It's not always obvious. The Wizard just posted about a very good opportunity (unfortunately it ended soon afterwards) It was over 1% not including points, bonuses etc etc.
I believe the new owners probably get a nice flat fee for anyone who makes a casino account and deposits plus a commission for any losses the players have.Ussully afilliate programs have a tier effect. The more players you have the higher the percentage they offer you.
Buzz may not have been a potential add clicker however guys like him are what helps keep the site popular so it's a loss for the site. In the grand scheme of things its a drop in the bucket. That's the nice thing about owning your own business and being successful. You can squash the bugs that are annoying you. I'm not suggesting Buzz is a Bug im suggesting he was bugging Zman.
I'm certain Buzz didn't want to get nuked. I believe he is interested in game development. Lot's of good contacts and advice here. He probably figured he would push his suspension limit till the last second and then back off. He seems to love living on the forum edge.
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So Buzz probably needed sometime off. He's too old to get into a bar fight or hit somebody just for the hell of it.
But he is still an alright guy. Were he still, on this site he would probably ask for Zuga's address and mail him a hat !
His email add buzzpaff@gmail.com if he owes anybody money.
What a coincidence, newbie is the alter egoQuote: charlesOr it could be Buzz is having a bad year. Happens, you know. Several people here not having the best of times. I know for a fact that Buzz's medical coverage via AT&T just took a big time hit. And selling dvds and cds on Amazon in downhill spiral as well. But that's nothing compared to watching Josie fade away. Depression setting back in, Lost her best friend, her brother Joseph. Josie up most nights on luminosity as short term memory loss rears it's ugly head.
So Buzz probably needed sometime off. He's too old to get into a bar fight or hit somebody just for the hell of it.
But he is still an alright guy. Were he still, on this site he would probably ask for Zuga's address and mail him a hat !
His email add buzzpaff@gmail.com if he owes anybody money.
Quote: charlesOr it could be Buzz is having a bad year. Happens, you know. Several people here not having the best of times. I know for a fact that Buzz's medical coverage via AT&T just took a big time hit. And selling dvds and cds on Amazon in downhill spiral as well. But that's nothing compared to watching Josie fade away. Depression setting back in, Lost her best friend, her brother Joseph. Josie up most nights on luminosity as short term memory loss rears it's ugly head.
So Buzz probably needed sometime off. He's too old to get into a bar fight or hit somebody just for the hell of it.
But he is still an alright guy. Were he still, on this site he would probably ask for Zuga's address and mail him a hat !
His email add buzzpaff@gmail.com if he owes anybody money.
Hi Charles. I knew it wouldn't be long. It's interesting that you know so much about Buzz. You and he even share first names.
Buzz left his email in his profile along with a phone number and a mailing address. Did you forget?
No one is questioning whether he is an all right guy but even all right guys must abide by the rules. Was he surprised by his banning? Do you think he was treated unfairly?
Quote: charlesOr it could be Buzz is having a bad year. Happens, you know. Several people here not having the best of times. I know for a fact that Buzz's medical coverage via AT&T just took a big time hit. And selling dvds and cds on Amazon in downhill spiral as well. But that's nothing compared to watching Josie fade away. Depression setting back in, Lost her best friend, her brother Joseph. Josie up most nights on luminosity as short term memory loss rears it's ugly head.
So Buzz probably needed sometime off. He's too old to get into a bar fight or hit somebody just for the hell of it.
But he is still an alright guy. Were he still, on this site he would probably ask for Zuga's address and mail him a hat !
His email add buzzpaff@gmail.com if he owes anybody money.
I think that speaks to the caliber of the guy.
His main concern is if he owes anybody money, where most would be trying to escape any personal debt. They don't make many guys like that anymore.
Quote: 1BBIt is my understanding that suspended forum members can receive PMs but not send them. Is this also true of permanently banned members? It is also my understanding that permanently banned members are welcome at WOV events. Are they also allowed to participate in football pools, eating contests and the like?
Effectively, there's no difference in functionality between being banned and suspended because the former is just to be suspended permanently. Secondly, banned Members can show up at Forum events, all of which are held in public venues.
Quote: 1BBHi Charles. I knew it wouldn't be long. It's interesting that you know so much about Buzz. You and he even share first names.
Buzz left his email in his profile along with a phone number and a mailing address. Did you forget?
No one is questioning whether he is an all right guy but even all right guys must abide by the rules. Was he surprised by his banning? Do you think he was treated unfairly?
I am sure Buzz told this person to join and send a message. Nothing against the rules on that, as far as I know. I am sure someone looked to see if it was the same IP address. Yea, I know they can be changed. But like someone else said, Buzz is a standup guy who would pay any debts he owed. His being gone is a loss to the forum, IMO. And yes, you also are entitled to yours.
Quote: 1BBWhat a great thread this is! It is soon to become the top thread of the forum. Wow! Maybe Buzz will be back. Never say never.
Come over to DT, He may make an appearance there after 30 days.
The Wiz did make it clear that if de does come back there, no discussion allowed by him discussing being nuked here.
I love hearing all the old Baltimore stories, I grew up in Baltimore also :-)
They can receive messages but not read them as I understand. I think they are supposed to be able to read them but can't.Quote: 1BBIt is my understanding that suspended forum members can receive PMs but not send them. Is this also true of permanently banned members? It is also my understanding that permanently banned members are welcome at WOV events. Are they also allowed to participate in football pools, eating contests and the like?
Have you seen any of John Waters' flicks, especially the early ones, all of then shot in or near Baltimore?
Quote: MrVI love hearing all the old Baltimore stories, I grew up in Baltimore also :-)
Have you seen any of John Waters' flicks, especially the early ones, all of then shot in or near Baltimore?
Haven't seen any of the early John Waters flicks.
I am aware of them but his stuff is really out there :-)
Prefer Barry Levinson, another Baltimore native.
Here's a funny scene with John Waters in Homicide where he gets to insult NYC :-)
He's a prisoner arriving in Baltimore with a NYC cop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9XT_I1t5aA
Quote: BozI am sure Buzz told this person to join and send a message. Nothing against the rules on that, as far as I know. I am sure someone looked to see if it was the same IP address. Yea, I know they can be changed. But like someone else said, Buzz is a standup guy who would pay any debts he owed. His being gone is a loss to the forum, IMO. And yes, you also are entitled to yours.
It's very clear that "Charles" joined to send a message. What's not as clear is the actual message that was intended. Buzz could have asked someone who was already a member to deliver any message that he felt was needed.
A recurring theme here is that Buzz is a standup guy and no one has disputed or taken exception to that. This isn't about that. This is about his posts and subsequent banning.
What are your thoughts on this, Boz? Do you think Buzz was treated unfairly? Should standup guys be able to flaunt the rules? How would you have handled it? What would you say to RonC who got 7 days for a first offense for offering what could be argued as a legitimate opinion and not an insult at all?
But can he discuss Zuga there?Quote: terapinedCome over to DT, He may make an appearance there after 30 days.
The Wiz did make it clear that if de does come back there, no discussion allowed by him discussing being nuked here.
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Quote: AxelWolfBut can he discuss Zuga there?
Here is the Wiz's quote from DT regarding Buzz.
As you can see, B9 was let back in over there, but you know B9, just had to get the last word in :-)
Quote: WizardIt is still the policy that a ban on WoV applies here as well. I was nice and made an exception for B9 but he blew it in his first day back.
I like Buzz but it would should disrespect to Zuga and the new owners of WoV to let Buzz come here and complain about his banning. Had Buzz showed proper respect to the new owners he would never had any problems in the first place.
After a 30-day cooling period I may consider letting Buzz post here under the condition that he can't discuss any people or events that led to his banning on WoV.
ZCore13
Quote: terapinedHere is the Wiz's quote from DT regarding Buzz.
As you can see, B9 was let back in over there, but you know B9, just had to get the last word in :-)
I still couldn't believe that. I thought B9's boot was a little much considering what some others had posted. But back a day and booted. Some people just want to get booted and go out with a bang. I both see it and shake my head at the same time.
It's just an internet forum. There's no prize at the end.
Quote: Zcore13There is a forum topic here that basically says anything goes and will not be moderated. Couldn't Buzz (When he was here) or anyone post their thoughts, criticisms, conspiracy theories or insults of anyone in that section??ZCore13
Interesting question, one which will require a "test case," I fear.
While I haven't looked, I suspect most if not all of the busted posters were not posting on the "Free Speech" forum when they immolated.
But in the end I believe the same conduct rules apply; it is only the subject matter that wide latitude is given to.
Quote:Posts in this forum will not be busted, as long as they don't violate Nevada state law or Federal law.
We need a little interpretation from the boss or a change to the posted rule.
ZCore13
Quote: 1BBIt's very clear that "Charles" joined to send a message. What's not as clear is the actual message that was intended. Buzz could have asked someone who was already a member to deliver any message that he felt was needed.
A recurring theme here is that Buzz is a standup guy and no one has disputed or taken exception to that. This isn't about that. This is about his posts and subsequent banning.
What are your thoughts on this, Boz? Do you think Buzz was treated unfairly? Should standup guys be able to flaunt the rules? How would you have handled it? What would you say to RonC who got 7 days for a first offense for offering what could be argued as a legitimate opinion and not an insult at all?
You own the site, you make the rules. Buzz knew he was playing with fire and got banned. I would never disagree with such a decision made by Zuga or anyone else who owns a site. My point was that I hope Buzz is doing OK and that we get updates about him because I liked him and enjoyed his posts. I didn't always agree with them, but he added something to the forum. As for other regular posters who didn't like his posts, its easy to ignore them or block them.
I am been suspended multiple times and always knew it would be coming. Its not hard to know when you are pushing the line. It's just sometimes you feel better when you do it and a break isn't always a bad thing.
Some people may rub me the wrong way but unless they are getting to personal it doesn't bother me. I agree, If you dislike what someone is saying ignore,block or argue. No need to let it ruin your day. Some people get way to emotional over dumb crap. 80% of the people I dislike usually get suspended and nuked anyway.Quote: BozAs for other regular posters who didn't like his posts, its easy to ignore them or block them.
There's many people I disagree with on just about everything they concoct but I didn't dislike them, I even find it humorous at times, sometimes I just pity them.
Not sure why some people disliked Buzz, I haven't seen anything to horrible. I must have some political threads blocked, like the gun loophole rant or anything about Obama.
Since WoV and DT are no longer connected, duplicate threads should no longer be a violation…right?
Quote: aceofspadesQuestion:
Since WoV and DT are no longer connected, duplicate threads should no longer be a violation…right?
Sounds right. DT isn't exactly breaking any records reeling in new members. When Buzz gets back there he can throw up a quick 6000 posts.
Quote: 1BBSounds right. DT isn't exactly breaking any records reeling in new members. When Buzz gets back there he can throw up a quick 6000 posts.
My opinion is that DT and the sites that were sold should function totally independently. Sure, you can have a rule not allowing overly nasty protestation of a suspension crossing forums, but I think we all know that some of the suspensions and lengths SHOULD be subject to a bit of back and forth.
...of course, the boss folks can do whatever they want...
I just went to DT and read the latest two blogs. They were by someone proclaiming to be a web cam model who was kind enough to provide a link to Hustler lingerie. Thought provoking stuff.
(Independent owners of each)
Quote: aceofspadesit should be viewed as posting on two entirely distinct websites
(Independent owners of each)
I disagree, for now. Mike is still leading the admin on this site, and the new owners have said that the rules remain in place. You're welcome to lobby for a change, but there has been no change made. So it's not different, and it's not undecided; it's status quo, which was quite clear both before the sale and in statements by all parties after the sale was announced.
Quote: beachbumbabsI disagree, for now. Mike is still leading the admin on this site, and the new owners have said that the rules remain in place. You're welcome to lobby for a change, but there has been no change made. So it's not different, and it's not undecided; it's status quo, which was quite clear both before the sale and in statements by all parties after the sale was announced.
Can we hear from the actual owner?
Quote: beachbumbabsI disagree, for now. Mike is still leading the admin on this site, and the new owners have said that the rules remain in place. You're welcome to lobby for a change, but there has been no change made. So it's not different, and it's not undecided; it's status quo, which was quite clear both before the sale and in statements by all parties after the sale was announced.
What exactly is status quo here other than the same administrators? Are you saying that the new owners of this site have a say on the DT site? If someone is suspended on DT, why should there be double jeopardy here? If I join Mission's philosophy site and get suspended there, should I be suspended here as well? None of these sites are connected.
Quote: 1BBWhat exactly is status quo here other than the same administrators? Are you saying that the new owners of this site have a say on the DT site? If someone is suspended on DT, why should there be double jeopardy here? If I join Mission's philosophy site and get suspended there, should I be suspended here as well? None of these sites are connected.
In the words of Arthur Fonzarelli: "Exactamundo!"
So a monopoly existed before (which was fine) but then the site is sold and the monopoly still exists?
Quote: aceofspadesCan we hear from the actual owner?
Asked and answered, counselor:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/19582-sale-of-wizard-of-odds-vegas-websites/24/#post397901
Quote: Zuga
Q: Gandler But, my question, I skimmed through this thread and I don't think any of the new owners or current admins addressed this: What are the rules now? Since DT is owned by a different person than this site, I assume the (in my opinion: silly rule since there are plenty of appropriate off topic areas) that non gambling topics were not permitted no longer applied here?
A: The rules are the same as they were before the purchase.
Mike had said the same thing about the relationship between this site and DT not changing somewhere, but I haven't found the quote yet; might be earlier in this thread.
Hope you didn't mean to be quite as rude and dismissive as you sounded here, Ace. I wasn't pulling an opinion out of my hind end, I was quoting what I have been told and what has been publicly published. It could change yet today for all I know, but up until this minute, what I said is what has been determined and how we are administering the sites.
Quote: beachbumbabsAsked and answered, counselor:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/19582-sale-of-wizard-of-odds-vegas-websites/24/#post397901
Mike had said the same thing about the relationship between this site and DT not changing somewhere, but I haven't found the quote yet; might be earlier in this thread.
Hope you didn't mean to be quite as rude and dismissive as you sounded here, Ace. I wasn't pulling an opinion out of my hind end, I was quoting what I have been told and what has been publicly published. It could change yet today for all I know, but up until this minute, what I said is what has been determined and how we are administering the sites.
This does not make any sense to have one owner of a website controlling content on another website they do not own
Are you calling me rude and dismissive…?
Quote: 1BBI certainly don't want to slight any of our wonderful administrators but is it accurate to say that the Wizard is still the leading admin here?
My understanding is, that Mike is still the leading Admin on here, certainly outranking the three of us other forum mods. Zuga is probably equal, and might have veto power even over Mike, but if so, it's not apparent in how things are operating. Zuga has his own forum on LCB, larger than this one, and at least so far, has largely left the moderation of this one to us. JB has his own orders and authority, both before and after the sale, and is/was not particularly in the content decision tree.
Quote: aceofspadesThis does not make any sense to have one owner of a website controlling content on another website they do not own
Are you calling me rude and dismissive…?
I said that your post sounded rude and dismissive, and I hoped that was not your intent.
The two parties have a contract, which I haven't read (rightly so), but both parties made it clear in the course of what they have released about the terms that Mike is employed to continue to provide content and administration to all the Wizard sites for the next 3 years. Whether he's operating as an independent contractor to that firm, an employee, or some other entity, he retained administration and content authority. And, as you know, he retained the DT site and at least one other one. So, while you can make a case for him to change what's happening, the rules have not changed.
Quote: 1BBI certainly don't want to slight any of our wonderful administrators but is it accurate to say that the Wizard is still the leading admin here?
That's the way I see it. Obviously he was when he owned it. I also assumed Mission would be above me as he was here first, but posts by both he and Wiz after our implementation stated that Mish, Babs, and I were equal.
After the sale, I thought I remember seeing that Wiz was still sort of the "leader". Whether I actually read that or if that was something I just interpreted, it is regardless how I feel. Of course, I've talked to someone just to have Babs ban them, and I've banned people just to have Mish alleviate it, so I'm obviously not bent on individual authorities. Whatever the hierarchy is, it doesn't affect me much if at all.
I guess what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter to me. If anyone, blue or green, instructed me to do something, I'd likely do it provided I believe in it. If I didn't, I'd likely question it, whether it was a guy who just joined or Zuga himself. I'm in no way trying to shame you, but I am curious - why does it matter? Perhaps if I knew, I could better answer the question.
I'm also curious as to what it is Ace doesn't like the sound of. Zuga owns, Wiz leads, the rest of us volunteer. What the problem is?
Quote: FaceI'm also curious as to what it is Ace doesn't like the sound of. Zuga owns, Wiz leads, the rest of us volunteer. What the problem is?
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For example — If I decided to post a gambling issue on the "casual corner" of DT, I would likely be suspended (even though the DT rules say nothing regarding this) as posting a gambling story on DT would likely be viewed as affecting the Wizard's relationship with the owner's of this site. However, what if I never joined this site and only went to DT? This is where the lines are blurred…
If they were truly independent owners, one should be able to post the exact same thing on both sites. There is no "Chinese wall" — the sites still operate co-dependently as gambling cannot go on DT.
Quote: FaceThat's the way I see it. Obviously he was when he owned it. I also assumed Mission would be above me as he was here first, but posts by both he and Wiz after our implementation stated that Mish, Babs, and I were equal.
After the sale, I thought I remember seeing that Wiz was still sort of the "leader". Whether I actually read that or if that was something I just interpreted, it is regardless how I feel. Of course, I've talked to someone just to have Babs ban them, and I've banned people just to have Mish alleviate it, so I'm obviously not bent on individual authorities. Whatever the hierarchy is, it doesn't affect me much if at all.
I guess what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter to me. If anyone, blue or green, instructed me to do something, I'd likely do it provided I believe in it. If I didn't, I'd likely question it, whether it was a guy who just joined or Zuga himself. I'm in no way trying to shame you, but I am curious - why does it matter? Perhaps if I knew, I could better answer the question.
I'm also curious as to what it is Ace doesn't like the sound of. Zuga owns, Wiz leads, the rest of us volunteer. What the problem is?
^^^^^This. Well said, Face.
I'm not looking to have an argument about this, just to give information where it's asked for, and to stop what appears to be something that's not an issue from spooling itself into one. I also don't understand what it is that gives Ace or anyone else in the conversation unease.
Quote:I also don't understand what it is that gives Ace or anyone else in the conversation unease.
He's just "thinking like a lawyer."
No, that's not oxymoronic.
Quote: aceofspadesblurred lines
Gotcha. So then I have to ask - what causes this concern?
I know I personally wrote about gambling on DT. I didn't do so because I though I was above reproach, I did so because it was a hockey thread. I was talking hockey; going to the casino just happened to be a part of the trip. I didn't then and I don't think now that I violated anything, because no one has ever struck me as a rigid authoritarian that would see what I did as a violation.
Even here, I warn many new members about the rules pertaining to language, I remind guys about links and advertising, I try to quell conversations that drift off topic and into personal attacks. You've been here through many arguments about "off-topic", I think the prevailing trend is to take it to DT. Yet you write about your dog, you write about nipples, and I haven't said a word. If I did find it a problem and had to say a word, I'd say "Ace, buddy, kill the (violation)", and we'd continue on.
I guess that's why I am asking "why". I don't understand the concern because it seems to me that everything is cool and calm.
Can I start the same exact thread on DT and WOV?
If I'm banned here, can I post there?
They are two independent sites now. Same admins but different owners. Seems like they should operate as truly independent.
