Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: AZDuffmanIf we had more people with such self-control we might have a healthier society on many levels.
Gula (gluttony)
Fornicatio (fornication, lust)
Avaritia (avarice/greed/)
Superbia (hubris, pride)
Tristitia (sorrow/despair/despondency)
Ira (wrath)
Vanagloria (vainglory)
Acedia (sloth
Quote: WizardThat is largely the reason why I feel that calling a straight man gay is very insulting.
Have you considered therapy?
Quote: AZDuffmanGood for him! It takes a strong character to deny yourself pleasure when you feel what gives you pleasure is wrong.
If we had more people with such self-control we might have a healthier society on many levels.
Uh huh. Your implication is that it's wrong to be gay. Good job.
Quote: NareedI can assure you a phrase you'll never hear me utter except under duress is "lighten up."
That aside, maintaining that calling a straight man "gay" is an insult, implies there is something wrong with being gay. That's what I'm arguing.
That makes more a lot sense; I can be dense sometimes. :( And unfortunately, to a significant minority of Americans, they really do think there is something wrong with being gay. :(
Quote: IbeatyouracesHow the name for a bundle of sticks became a put down for a homosexual is beyond me.
Even British slang for a cigarette is a stretch to me. :)
Quote: AZDuffmanGood for him! It takes a strong character to deny yourself pleasure when you feel what gives you pleasure is wrong.
If we had more people with such self-control we might have a healthier society on many levels.
But being brainwashed by Christianity also has helped prevent him seeking companionship, which sounds like would make him happier? That's a good thing? But Jesus wants us to not enjoy our lives while on Earth, I suppose, huh?
Quote: AZDuffmanTo say that "stupid" can be interchanged with "gay" is a bit simplistic in its definition. To say it should be offensive to gays is to say blacks should be offended at the movie "Black Sunday," or any other use of the term "Black 'x'" in a negative way. The only reason to get offended at such a remark is to be waiting to be offended.
"Gay" in such a way is hard to nail down in a single sentence. But it can kind of be summed up as "standing out in a way that draws attention for bad and over the top reasons."
Get over it, and if you want to get upset for the term being used in a bad way, get mad at the gays who act over the top and in everyone's face in public as that is where it got started. The term has grown into a new usage.
No, that's not what I said. I am talking specifically about the phrase "that's so gay", which is used mostly as a negative connotation and is a substitution as the word "dumb", "stupid", or "wrong". The meanings of the word "gay" do not fit any of those. Therefore, "that's so gay" is offensive to gay people who take offense to the phrase (which I think would be most gay people as well as plenty of straight people).
I'm over it. I don't use the phrase as it's clearly offensive to some people. I don't get offended if someone tells me in a conversation that "it's so gay" because I don't care. But I wil try to explain to people on this forum on why the phrase is offensive to some.
Quote: tringlomaneThat makes more a lot sense; I can be dense sometimes. :(
It's around the density of lead to think I'd say "lighten up" ;)
Quote:And unfortunately, to a significant minority of Americans, they really do think there is something wrong with being gay. :(
We do really need to develop a cure for stupidity.
Quote: boymimboNo, that's not what I said. I am talking specifically about the phrase "that's so gay", which is used mostly as a negative connotation and is a substitution as the word "dumb", "stupid", or "wrong".
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Gay is something most people don't want to be,
so Gay used in a phrase has come to mean
something you find dopey or unattractive. Boys
use it because it deters anybody thinking they
might be gay.
Quote: boymimboUh huh. Your implication is that it's wrong to be gay. Good job.
Who said that, did you say that? I didn't say that!
I said he practiced self-control by not falling into the "if it feels good, DO IT!" mentality that more and more of our society has fallen into.
Though I will say I am not going to worry about "implications" about it given the outright hostility shown to religion by some of the homophiles on this board.
Quote: AZDuffmanGood for him! It takes a strong character to deny yourself pleasure when you feel what gives you pleasure is wrong.
If we had more people with such self-control we might have a healthier society on many levels.
A hornier society, anyway ...
Quote: MrVA hornier society, anyway ...
Is that why I often hear Catholic school girls are that way? lol I never experienced that personally though. :(
Quote: NareedQuote: WizardThat is largely the reason why I feel that calling a straight man gay is very insulting.
Have you considered therapy?
I'm sorry, Nareed, you can have the opinion that calling a straight man "gay" is not an insult because being "gay" is okay, but you aren't going to get many straight men to agree with you. If someone calls me "gay", I will be insulted. I don't even call people that I know are gay "gay" just to call them something--it has to be part of a discussion, not just something I throw out there every once in a while.
They are people, just like people that aren't "gay"...
The Wizard sees it as a bullying-type of insult--and it is his forum. He doesn't need therapy for feeling that way--it is pretty obvious he has figured out how to deal with things in his world. I see your comment as rude.
Quote: akahetla1For what its worth, I have met many of you with Tim in Vegas and according to Tim this website as well as other Wizard websites is nothing but a group of "homos & Jews" per Tim . This is what he told me & unfortunately I would tend to agree with him. I am not sure however what that says about Tim himself when he insults folks that he fraternizes with. He seen many of you in Vegas when he was with me and chose not to go to the many tables that you were all playing because as he put it he didnt want to play with a group of homos that dont know shit about gambling.
For what its worth ......
I'm thinking that there will be a nuclear option imposed shortly.
Why exactly are you here if you don't like the people here?
Last I checked I live in a free country. I payed for my freedoms & yours . You ?
Quote: RonCIf someone calls me "gay", I will be insulted.
Actually on my last Vegas trip, a drunk woman at a casino bar assumed I was gay because I was polite, listening to her, and showed empathy for her being the "other woman" in a complicated relationship, which was being tested that night. I definitely wasn't thrilled with her assumption, but she did apologize profusely when I casually mentioned my g/f was sleeping upstairs. It was the first time I had been clearly mistaken for a gay man, even though I am definitely not a "macho" guy by any means.
When I returned to the bar after she left, the bartenders and I agreed she was "nutty", but they also quickly admitted that they have seen a lot worse...lol
If I was single, I probably would have more obviously heterosexual toward her (i.e. I would have made moves, and I would have slept with her if she wanted to...haha).
Does that make calling one a prostitute any less offensive?
Quote: RonCQuote: NareedQuote: WizardThat is largely the reason why I feel that calling a straight man gay is very insulting.
Have you considered therapy?
I'm sorry, Nareed, you can have the opinion that calling a straight man "gay" is not an insult because being "gay" is okay, but you aren't going to get many straight men to agree with you. If someone calls me "gay", I will be insulted. I don't even call people that I know are gay "gay" just to call them something--it has to be part of a discussion, not just something I throw out there every once in a while.
It is both an insult and a taunt. But while we are on the subject, does anyone else find it amusing that to call "something" gay is some kind of an insult but if a straight man is called gay then he is supposed to not be bothered by it? At least that seems to be the implication in the last few pages of this thread.
Quote: akahetla1Oh dear !!! a nuclear option imposed ....... in your pants perhaps
Nice job!
Quote: akahetla1Last I checked I live in a free country. I payed for my freedoms & yours . You ?
You live in a free country (assuming you live in the US or another free nation) but your right to free speech, which is what you appear to be defending here, does not extend to this board. You already know that, I suspect, because you are familiar with the suspension process here.
I'd defend your right to free speech to the death in the public square, but here, well, it doesn't matter if you paid for our freedom or not. I put a pretty hefty group of years into defending our freedom, too, but that really is not relevant here for the purpose of how the rules are written or enforced.
I, too, think calling a straight man gay is insulting.Quote: NareedHave you considered therapy?Quote: WizardThat is largely the reason why I feel that calling a straight man gay is very insulting.
However, I think Nareed's response is even more insulting!
I'm on the fence on this one. The woman clearly was assigning stereotypes, which is not a good thing, but she quickly apologized for her error. If that had happened here, in a posting, she probably wouldn't even get a warning.Quote: tringlomaneActually on my last Vegas trip, a drunk woman at a casino bar assumed I was gay because I was polite, listening to her, and showed empathy for her being the "other woman" in a complicated relationship, which was being tested that night. I definitely wasn't thrilled with her assumption, but she did apologize profusely when I casually mentioned my g/f was sleeping upstairs.
Quote: DJTeddyBearI, too, think calling a straight man gay is insulting.Quote: NareedHave you considered therapy?Quote: WizardThat is largely the reason why I feel that calling a straight man gay is very insulting.
However, I think Nareed's response is even more insulting!
Yes, his response is akin to blaming the victim of a crime for it happening. Then telling the victim to get over it.
Quote: DJTeddyBear
I'm on the fence on this one. The woman clearly was assigning stereotypes, which is not a good thing, but she quickly apologized for her error. If that had happened here, in a posting, she probably wouldn't even get a warning.
Probably. She was definitely drunk and under distress. To me the most negative feeling I got from her assumption was, "if she thinks I'm gay, then she probably doesn't find me very attractive." :( Currently being in a relationship, it really didn't matter anyway, but I would rather seem attractive to others than not. And you know what they say about the word assume, "it makes an ass out of u and me".
Quote: tringlomaneProbably. She was definitely drunk and under distress. To me the most negative feeling I got from her assumption was, "if she thinks I'm gay, then she probably doesn't find me very attractive." :(
It might have been because you are in a relationship and not paying attention to her that she thought it. I still remember in a company training after just a day or two one girl in class picked the instructor for being gay. Myself and the two other guys at the table (this was in the bar after) just thought he was polite and soft-spoken. Later we learned she was 100% correct! When I discussed how she could know so fast one guy said, "she is attractive and knows when guys are not paying correct attention to her."
Or the woman you are talking about could have been a drunk nut-job, as the bartender said.
Years ago (and it was like 28 years ago) I was shooting a story in a Miami fashion design house, and I was very attracted to one of the designers working there. A really cute blond with an adorable figure -- but being a professional news reporter I kept doing my professional chores and didn't flirt. But she flirted with me.
Well, at the end of the shoot, when all was said and done, I walked over to her, asked if I could call her for a date, and we exchanged phone numbers.
On our first date -- it was a popular pizza joint on Biscayne Blvd in North Miami Beach (Mario the Baker -- is it still there?), she said she was talking to the boss (the owner of the company) about me during the shoot. She said she told him that she wanted to meet me. And he said to her "forget him. Well dressed. Good looking. He won't go out with you, he's gay."
Quote: FleaStiffI wonder when this thread will finally close.
The thread need not close; we should focus on the subject.
As for the Suspension List: What a grand Suspension List it is, indeed.
Quote: FleaStiffClose? I guess I should settle for its getting back on topic and staying there.
Its been on topic. Ahigh got banned for a Gay remark
and we've been discussing the Gay name calling issue.
That's pretty much on topic...
Here's the post I'm talking about:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/143/#post254391
Quote: DJTeddyBearAnd, not surprisingly, Nareed has been silent about my post where I called him out for suggesting that Mike needs therapy.
He probably just blocked you. If so welcome to the club.
interesting tell us more.Quote: EvenBobWhen I was in Jr High and High School in the
60's the word Gay wasn't even around yet.
And I never once heard the word fag or homo.
I went to a big school too. It just wasn't an
issue yet. Kids got beat up for being fat or
for being dorks, never for being Gay. I might
have heard queer, but didn't know what it meant.
I didn't even start hearing the F word till mid 60's.
Then its all I heard from then on. I used to see it
as grafitti in the 50's but was clueless as to what
it meant, if anything.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: DJTeddyBearAnd, not surprisingly, Nareed has been silent about my post where I called him out for suggesting that Mike needs therapy.
He probably just blocked you. If so welcome to the club.
This is part of the progression with her. We've seen it in threads from the "Hot Blonde Challenge"" to her recent "Good News!" bigot incident. There are attempts to bully you into accepting her position, PMs sent when she blocks PMs from other you (that should rate a suspension alone--and it did happen to me recently), and comments that are right on the line of being insults. Once you don't accept him/her for what he/she is or believes, you finally end up blocked.
Congratulations!!
The suggestion that the Wizard needs therapy because he didn't like being bullied and called names is ridiculous. Everyone doesn't need therapy--everyone takes the crap hand they are dealt and most can deal with it, as the Wizard has. He doesn't want to see people called offensive names. Therapy isn't the answer for everyone and I bet that the reaction on her side of the street would be different if you asked her if she had been to therapy for the way she acts.
P90 Your such a smart ass and I love it. I seem to laugh at 50% of your comments, if only I were gay I would ask you on a date.Quote: P90That point should, preferably, come after the question of "Is it a fallout or a windfall?"
Quote: Sabretom2Nareed may be covered in ash. Check travel alerts.
I haven't seen a speck of ash.
What's this about anyway?
Or you could google Mexico City volcano.
you can just try to pray the gay away. However I think that would be gay. Everybody seems oh so happy and gay talking about this topic. According to any thesaurus calling someone gay should be a brownie pointQuote: FleaStiffClose? I guess I should settle for its getting back on topic and staying there.
happy ,alert, animate, animated, blithe, blithesome, bouncy, brash, carefree, cheerful, cheery, chipper, chirpy, confident, convivial, devil-may-care, festive, forward, frivolous, frolicsome, fun-loving, gamesome, glad, gleeful, hilarious, insouciant, jocund, jolly, jovial, joyful, joyous, keen, lighthearted, lively, merry, mirthful, playful, pleasure-seeking, presuming, pushy, rollicking, self-assertive, sparkling, spirited, sportive, sprightly, sunny, vivacious, wild, zippy
Quote: boymimbo
I know that. The mountain is over a hundred miles away. Why would anyone be concerned about another minor event there and think I might be affected?
Quote: AxelWolfyou can just try to pray the gay away. However I think that would be gay. Everybody seems oh so happy and gay talking about this topic. According to any thesaurus calling someone gay should be a brownie point
happy ,alert, animate, animated, blithe, blithesome, bouncy, brash, carefree, cheerful, cheery, chipper, chirpy, confident, convivial, devil-may-care, festive, forward, frivolous, frolicsome, fun-loving, gamesome, glad, gleeful, hilarious, insouciant, jocund, jolly, jovial, joyful, joyous, keen, lighthearted, lively, merry, mirthful, playful, pleasure-seeking, presuming, pushy, rollicking, self-assertive, sparkling, spirited, sportive, sprightly, sunny, vivacious, wild, zippy
That part is great, but it glosses over this part of the thesaurus:
Main Entry: gay
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: homosexual
Synonyms: Sapphic, homoerotic, homophile, lesbian
Antonyms: heterosexual
Since "gay" became the widely-accepted term for homosexuals, it has become less acceptable for other uses to describe an individual. "Joyful" or "Gay" may be used to describe "Mary" but one could be interpreted to mean something totally different.
"Gay" just doesn't work as well now to describe a person with the attributes you listed...when someone says "that's so gay" they aren't talking "joyful"...
Quote: NareedI haven't seen a speck of ash.
What's this about anyway?
Numerous flights in and out of Mexico City have been changed due to volcanic ash.
Quote: NareedQuote: boymimbo
I know that. The mountain is over a hundred miles away. Why would anyone be concerned about another minor event there and think I might be affected?
I apologize for any concern I may have implied.
