Discussion about the Suspension List
Substitute "That's so Ibeatyouraces" to mean, "that's so idiotic". You offended? I would be.
Get it? (Oh, that's so boymimbo!)
Quote: SOOPOOIt seems to me if you consider homosexuality an acceptable activity, and an acceptable lifestyle, then referring to someone as gay should also be acceptable.
Just because it's acceptable doesn't mean it's deemed as good as the other option.
Driving a Hyundai Accent is also an acceptable activity and acceptable lifestyle.
Quote: P90Just because it's acceptable doesn't mean it's deemed as good as the other option.
Driving a Hyundai Accent is also an acceptable activity and acceptable lifestyle.
Yeah, and if having a cheap reliable automobile that's decent with gas is just as good as a BMW as long as it suits the primary goal of getting from point A to B without having to take public transportation.
Gay people think not only that it's acceptable, but it's much better than the other option.
Actually, scratch that. I know a gay man who is celibate because he can't reconcile his Christian beliefs with being gay, so he remains unhappily single (but is at rest with Christ).
Quote: NareedStraight women suck at impregnating their partners. And I don't think their partners would be too keen on the idea, either.
BTW did you miss the entire XX Century?
What is your point in making this obtuse post?
I am stating, affirmatively, that the only true "meaning of life" is to reproduce, i.e. to have your DNA used to create a new offspring.
It is one thing that sentient and nonsentient life forms have in common.
I look at my having sired a son as allowing me to live on through him, and then through his offspring, for eternity: it is the closest we can come to Life After Death.
I correctly, so far as I know, make the point that gay men and gay women cannot accomplish this act of creation with one another.
Your flippant comments lead me to conclude that you cannot counter the argument cogently.
Keep your ad hominem comments coming, Nareed: I can always use a good laugh.
Quote: IbeatyouracesMakes no sense to me. So if you or anyone called me gay, I'd say yes I'm "happy." Some words DO have different meanings.
There you go. I went to two casinos this morning and had a gay time taking money from both of them.
That happens to be one of the main tenets of John Patrick's craps game. Maybe AHigh has become a convert.Quote: EvenBobHis new strategy seems to be hitting a bunch of casinos and winning very small amounts. He thinks he going to trick the game by sneaking in and sneaking out with a tiny win. Doesn't work. If you don't have the edge it makes no difference how long your sessions are, the result is always the same in the end.
Quote: boymimboYeah, and if having a cheap reliable automobile that's decent with gas is just as good as a BMW as long as it suits the primary goal of getting from point A to B without having to take public transportation.
You see, you just had to explain it.
Rule of thumb: If you have to explain it, it's not cool.
Quote: boymimboGay people think not only that it's acceptable, but it's much better than the other option.
But if gay people think something, doesn't that make it gay?
"This a man's world." to a woman.
But "man" is not an insult.
A slur is something that it can only be used by the group it refers too, if they want too. Because it is so inflammatory, one of the few contexts where everyone is on equal footing if they are both are subject to that slur.
But notice I said possibly. "A woman's world" may not be insulting because it doesn't have a long history of discrimination associated with it.
But insults and slurs have context. The bottom of the shoe has more insulting value in the Middle East for instance.
If you can't determine whether something is an insult, speak at your own risk.
All of this. In my opinion.<--------
** exception to slurs in context of discussion about slurs. But still misuse and misunderstanding occur. For instance: niggardly was a word before the n word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22
Quote: IbeatyouracesWell if they don't understand the difference, not my problem.
Exactly.
Quote: boymimboI think ZCore was attacking Ahigh's "machado" - the challenge to meet "mano a mano" with something that I felt was light hearted.
Ever notice Ahigh does that all the time? Challenges
people to meet him face to face, in person, so they
can 'discuss' their differences. From the pics I've
seen of Ahigh, he's a pretty big dude. Tall and husky
looking. Its like he wants to use physical intimidation
is all these challenges to meet him in person.
Quote: MrVI am stating, affirmatively, that the only true "meaning of life" is to reproduce, i.e. to have your DNA used to create a new offspring.
The biological meaning of life at least. Philosophically, we can create meaning out of other things. Personally, I think life has the meaning you choose to give it.
Quote: MrVI am stating, affirmatively, that the only true "meaning of life" is to reproduce, i.e. to have your DNA used to create a new offspring.
Without any of the advanced reproductive aids available today, anyone, gay or straight alike, can manage this feat you allege, wrongly, can only be performed by breeders.
Oh, and my earlier comment was in no way an ad hominem argument. But this one comes close: "You pride yourself on an ability in which any barbarian is your equal and any jackass immeasurably your superior."
Quote: thecesspitThe biological meaning of life at least. Philosophically, we can create meaning out of other things. Personally, I think life has the meaning you choose to give it.
Apparently MrV does not know any gay man can have his sperm used to impregnate a willing surrogate, or that a lesbian can become pregnant from donor sperm. So if that's his litmus test for a nebulous "meaning" of life, his own standard trips him up and kicks him while he's down.
Quote: boymimboNo. You SAID "That's go gay" implies that "that's so stupid". Therefore gay = stupid. That's why some in the gay commuity have a problem with that phrase.
You have to quote posts to make it clear who you're responding to.
Even so, let's take a scenario. Imagine a man in fishnet stockings suspended on a leather harness, and another man in leather standing behind him, rocking the first man forward on it. As the first man flies forward, he thrusts into a third man, bent over a table, and as he rocks back, his back door lands on the second man's shaft with all his body's momentum.
Would you call it stupid? After all, it's quite inventive.
But would you call it gay?
Quote: NareedOh, and my earlier comment was in no way an ad hominem argument. But this one comes close: "You pride yourself on an ability in which any barbarian is your equal and any jackass immeasurably your superior."
Oops! Sorry: bonus points for identifying the source of the quotation. Either primary or secondary.
Quote: P90You have to quote posts to make it clear who you're responding to.
Even so, let's take a scenario. Imagine a man in fishnet stockings suspended on a leather harness, and another man in leather rocking the first man forward, to then have his rectum land on the second man's shaft with all his body's momentum.
Would you call it stupid? It's quite inventive.
But would you call it gay?
Hoo aww. They do that in straight porn too.
The act of two men doing that is, by definition, gay sex.
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Nareed, to your point, you can't combine the DNA of two gay people to create an offspring. You can surrogate and you can implant but the fact is that the child born will never be the product of a gay couple. It will be only be one of them. The only way to get absolutely as close to the same DNA is to use the sister or brother's DNA (opposite sex). Perhaps one day it will be possible to insert the DNA of one's seed into the opposite sex's sperm / egg.
Quote: boymimboNareed, to your point, you can't combine the DNA of two gay people to create an offspring. You can surrogate and you can implant but the fact is that the child born will never be the product of a gay couple. It will be only be one of them. The only way to get absolutely as close to the same DNA is to use the sister or brother's DNA (opposite sex). Perhaps one day it will be possible to insert the DNA of one's seed into the opposite sex's sperm / egg.
And do you know how many straight couples find themselves in that exact situation? Not to mention how many resort to adoption.
Quote: boymimboThe act of two men doing that is, by definition, gay sex.
So it's gay, but it's not stupid.
Quote: boymimboWhenever I watch a taped show on KTLA I inevitably see Mendelson selling something which drags me back into this forum. Sigh.
Thanks for watching. Have you signed up for my email list? :-)
I think it's unfortunate that Ahigh couldnt continue here and discuss things in a responsible and mature way. He had some good ideas but he needed to separate his ego from the actual debates. His personal feelings got in the way of the discussions. If he didn't have to be "right" every time we all could have benefitted.
.Quote: P90So it's gay, but it's not stupid
Well, yeah. However, that is not the context of "that's so gay".
Quote: AlanMendelsonHis personal feelings got in the way of the discussions. If he didn't have to be "right" every time we all could have benefitted.
Ahigh was a one man show. All bluster and ego with
nothing to back it up. You actually need the skill you
brag about, just saying you have it doesn't make it so.
The problem is that rather than continuing the trials, he went to the casino and was being brash about making small wins which turned off some members. Things derailed quickly.
I told him that he should just bet the hard 8s if he shows a true bias. According to my math he was hitting the hard 8 on 116 of 1,001 results. The player advantage is (116 x 9 - (1001-116))/1001 = 15.89% if he replicates the home roll at the casino. Instead he played crapless and bet the P/L instead.
Quote: NareedWithout any of the advanced reproductive aids available today, anyone, gay or straight alike, can manage this feat you allege, wrongly, can only be performed by breeders.
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B.S., Nareed!
I double dog dare you to show me how two gay men, or two gay women, can create a child using ONLY their own DNA.
That was my original point, which you chose to ignore, all in service of your obvious "gay agenda."Quote:Oh, and my earlier comment was in no way an ad hominem argument. But this one comes close: "You pride yourself on an ability in which any barbarian is your equal and any jackass immeasurably your superior."
A telling quote sourced from John Randolph, a vitriolic person known to be impotent.
Your comment "BTW did you miss the entire XX Century?" certainly was ad hominem, albeit as flames go, it was, how shall I say this: somewhat flaccid and detumescent."What, me worry?"
Quote: WizardThe claim that Zcore13 is gay is a personal insult.
Ponder this: "That's a disgusting Chrsitian attitude on your part. Also Irish and Chinese, to boot. You should be ashamed of uttering such heterosexual nonsense. You even sound Jewish."
Are there any insults in there?
I don't see any. But if I'd used words like "mick," "chink," "breeder," "kike," etc, then you'd have a point.
Quote: Nareed
Are there any insults in there? I don't see any.
If I went into a bar and called a guy Gay to his
face, if I knew he was or not, I'd expect to get
hit in the face more times than not.
If its not an insult, why is that do you suppose..
Quote: NareedPonder this: "That's a disgusting Chrsitian attitude on your part. Also Irish and Chinese, to boot. You should be ashamed of uttering such heterosexual nonsense. You even sound Jewish."
Are there any insults in there?
I don't see any. But if I'd used words like "mick," "chink," "breeder," "kike," etc, then you'd have a point.
I think all could be considered an insult to some degree. Unfortunately none of us knows how our words will be "taken" by someone else.
Years ago, I, Alan Mendelson, a nice Jewish boy who had a Bar Mitzvah and has two children who each had a Bar Mitzvah and a Bas Mitzvah, was accused of being anti semitic. And, a complaint was filed against me at the TV station where I worked. Why? Because of a joke I made on the air in which I said "I have a heart bigger than a bagel." The comment offended a Jewish viewer who considered it anti-semitic.
After he filed his complaint with the station, I phoned him and I had a long discussion with him, and I learned something very basic from that discussion: different people take different words to mean different things. And there is just no getting around that.
The bottom line is that it is very difficult when speaking in public or on TV or radio or on an Internet forum not to offend someone when you say something that is not strictly "mainstream." Be ready for someone to be offended and then be ready to say that you are sorry that you offended someone -- and learn from it.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI think all could be considered an insult to some degree. Unfortunately none of us knows how our words will be "taken" by someone else.
Yes, but this is not a bout how someone took what, but about site policy regarding personal insults. Geez! You almost sound Mexican!
There. Do you feel insulted? And if you do, should I be suspended?
Quote: AlanMendelsonIf he didn't have to be "right" every time we all could have benefitted.
Ahigh isn't the only member with this "issue" here either, imo. People being hard-headed typically makes this forum (or any other forum) just spin its wheels. People like to be right, sure, but it's not an absolute requirement every time.
Quote: NareedYes, but this is not a bout how someone took what, but about site policy regarding personal insults. Geez! You almost sound Mexican!
There. Do you feel insulted? And if you do, should I be suspended?
What are you arguing for, Nareed? I would consider being called "God lover" or even "God liver" an insult.
Though, on the other hand, I don't care about it enough to actually complain.
(by arguing for, I mean what is it you're trying to achieve, not why are you arguing)
Quote: rxwineWhat are you arguing for, Nareed? I would consider being called "God lover" or even "God liver" an insult.
Though, on the other hand, I don't care about it enough to actually complain.
(by arguing for, I mean what is it you're trying to achieve, not why are you arguing)
Probably that people just generally need to lighten up a bit. And when I read "God liver" at first, I first thought that was referring to the liver you eat...lol
Quote: tringlomaneProbably that people just generally need to lighten up a bit.
I can assure you a phrase you'll never hear me utter except under duress is "lighten up."
That aside, maintaining that calling a straight man "gay" is an insult, implies there is something wrong with being gay. That's what I'm arguing.
Geek = very deep into an obscure subject, at the expense of social life
Nerd = good at something IRL-valued or taught at school/college, at the expense of social life
Dork = lacks a social life and doesn't seem to be good in any way
Basically the bad side of a nerd/geek without the redeeming qualities.
Quote: Nareedcalling a straight man "gay" is an insult, implies there is something wrong with being gay.
Obviously the straight man believes there is something wrong with being called "gay."
Were I called "gay," I'd take it as an insult as well.
Ah, I suppose only the gays wouldn't take offense.
HTFU. Get some man-on-man and immunize yourself against butthurt from peoples of an internet doubting your heterosexuality.
Underhand throwing was usually considered weak.
But nowadays there are female softball pitchers that could knock you unconscious with an underhand softball throw.
I'm just sayin'.
There are words that are probably considered over the line without question. There are insults that are just as over the line. But eventually you get to words and phrases that are more debatable.
Quote: boymimboActually, he had the skill. According to his stats, he had the preponderance to throw whatever was up on his dice [4-4]. The odds of a random shooter repeating this was 0.46% (181 of 3,279 rolls). For me the three sigma significance and the sample size was large enough.
The problem is that rather than continuing the trials, he went to the casino and was being brash about making small wins which turned off some members. Things derailed quickly.
I told him that he should just bet the hard 8s if he shows a true bias. According to my math he was hitting the hard 8 on 116 of 1,001 results. The player advantage is (116 x 9 - (1001-116))/1001 = 15.89% if he replicates the home roll at the casino. Instead he played crapless and bet the P/L instead.
His "skill" is self proclaimed. The statistics from his house are not reliable. A good chuck of the rolls (prior to his show) were not taped. Then when he started to tape them I saw on more than one occasion that he didn't remember if he had tallied his last roll. Mistakes like that cause bad results. The true test is real life trials and when he plays in real casinos he loses more than he wins and he gets asked to leave (not because he's winning) more than anyone I've ever heard of.
ZCore13
That is largely the reason why I feel that calling a straight man gay is very insulting. Even if it is just implied, like in the post that got Zcore suspended, it is going to be met with punishment on my site. This is something I feel strongly about and do not expect me to reverse that policy. You can suggest I'm another religion all you want. It is not the same thing.
Quote: WizardWhen I was a kid I was the frequent victim of bullying. The physical beatings often came with being called gay or a fag. It is not easy for me to talk about it, so let's leave it at that.
That is largely the reason why I feel that calling a straight man gay is very insulting. Even if it is just implied, like in the post that got Zcore suspended, it is going to be met with punishment on my site. This is something I feel strongly about and do not expect me to reverse that policy. You can suggest I'm another religion all you want. It is not the same thing.
I really wasn't implying that in my post, but you took it that way and it's your site and I never complained because of that. I was just trying to defuse the situation of him telling me to come there to see him in person. You did what you thought was best and I have the option of visiting your site or not. I choose to continue visiting. It's not that big of a deal. People turn minor issues into world events sometimes when there is no need at all.
ZCore13
Quote: WizardWhen I was a kid I was the frequent victim of bullying. The physical beatings often came with being called gay or a fag. It is not easy for me to talk about it, so let's leave it at that.
If you are open to admit it and even talk about it in the open, even in this much detail, the bullies have failed miserably at their job.
For instance, I'm not talking about crossing the line; ever.
Quote: WizardWhen I was a kid I was the frequent victim of bullying. The physical beatings often came with being called gay or a fag. .
When I was in Jr High and High School in the
60's the word Gay wasn't even around yet.
And I never once heard the word fag or homo.
I went to a big school too. It just wasn't an
issue yet. Kids got beat up for being fat or
for being dorks, never for being Gay. I might
have heard queer, but didn't know what it meant.
I didn't even start hearing the F word till mid 60's.
Then its all I heard from then on. I used to see it
as grafitti in the 50's but was clueless as to what
it meant, if anything.
Quote: boymimboNo. You SAID "That's go gay" implies that "that's so stupid". Therefore gay = stupid. That's why some in the gay commuity have a problem with that phrase.
To say that "stupid" can be interchanged with "gay" is a bit simplistic in its definition. To say it should be offensive to gays is to say blacks should be offended at the movie "Black Sunday," or any other use of the term "Black 'x'" in a negative way. The only reason to get offended at such a remark is to be waiting to be offended.
"Gay" in such a way is hard to nail down in a single sentence. But it can kind of be summed up as "standing out in a way that draws attention for bad and over the top reasons."
Get over it, and if you want to get upset for the term being used in a bad way, get mad at the gays who act over the top and in everyone's face in public as that is where it got started. The term has grown into a new usage.
Quote: boymimbo
Actually, scratch that. I know a gay man who is celibate because he can't reconcile his Christian beliefs with being gay, so he remains unhappily single (but is at rest with Christ).
Good for him! It takes a strong character to deny yourself pleasure when you feel what gives you pleasure is wrong.
If we had more people with such self-control we might have a healthier society on many levels.
