Discussion about the Suspension List
Cute signature, for a day. Then should go away.Quote: HowManyKJ- I like the signature. Tru Dat.
Quote: IbeatyouracesAll this over a debate on "which count is better." Such silliness.
Out of morbid curiosity I ponied up $9 to join the subscriber's only section over at BJTF just to try to get a handle on what the hell was going on.
I didn't read everything (obviously, would have taken forever) but based on a quick perusal I agree with you. Sheesh.
Also out of morbid curiosity I found the "anti-semitic" site to which Norm has referred (it's not hard if you google the right keywords). Holy crap he isn't joking about the anti-semitic part.
Quote: AcesAndEightsAlso out of morbid curiosity I found the "anti-semitic" site to which Norm has referred (it's not hard if you google the right keywords). Holy crap he isn't joking about the anti-semitic part.
Yes very repulsively so. Not only anti-semetic, but extremely racist and homophobic views as well. For the most part it is two guys. There are (or were) some really strong AP's there or that did participate there until recently when it mostly went dormant.
I have posted there 3 dozen times over 9 years limiting my posts to blackjack related topics and ironically defending...you know who. Most recently last week when I said, his software contribution to the community, alone should make him a candidate to the BJ HoF.
I strongly condemn that sight and the hate that it spews, but it is interesting it was born from numerous AP's feuding with the same person.
Quote: QFIT”. I just want the attacks, now on four sites, to stop. I ignored the attacks here for five months. When it was clear ignoring them didn't work, I finally responded. He called that trolling. He can stop these attacks any time he wishes.
I play BJ at the El Cortez when in town and post about it
Now I have posted that I use a simple hi-lo count with a low 5 to 15 buck spread
Just playing for fun
If you posted back that I am using a dumb system. That's valid criticism.
If you posted that I was dumb for using that system, that is an insult. Not allowed here
So if somebody is criticizing a counting system, that is valid criticism that you must accept here.
It is not a attack
Quote: terapinedI play BJ at the El Cortez when in town and post about it
Now I have posted that I use a simple hi-lo count with a low 5 to 15 buck spread
Just playing for fun
If you posted back that I am using a dumb system. That's valid criticism.
If you posted that I was dumb for using that system, that is an insult. Not allowed here
So if somebody is criticizing a counting system, that is valid criticism that you must accept here.
It is not a attack
It sounds like you are actually believing his lies. I have NEVER said that HiLo is a dumb system. I have never said that ANY legit strategy is dumb. When I get phone calls for advice, which has occurred over 1,000 times, I usually advise HiLo or KO. Seriously, you have been lied to about me and about BJTF. It is the troublemaker that has posted over, and over, and over, that HiLo is "all that is needed". It's actually in his signature at BJTF. Yes, it is all that is needed in some circumstances. But, there are so many combinations of circumstances.
What I am talking about attacks are his six months, hundreds of posts, on four sites, that multiple people are defrauding new players by pretending to believe in higher level counts to scam them out of money. THAT is not a valid criticism. THAT is not just an insult. It is a scurrilous, actionable, slanderous lie.
Now, he may have finally tried to distance himself from the racist, anti-Semetic site that he has been posting to lately, and used as some sort of odd manner of claiming I was flawed because this bigoted site doesn't like me (surprise). Seriously, he tried to use the opinions of extreme white-supremacists against me. Guess why they were banned. But note, his signature now compares BJTF to CSM's and BJ 6:5. NOT the racist site to which he contributes.
Quote: IbeatyouracesThe way we played, I'll take a CSM over a shoe all day long.
The One2Six is beatable. Not easy, but highly profitable. Don't believe everything you read.
Quote: QFIT
Now, he may have finally tried to distance himself from the racist, anti-Semetic site that he has been posting to lately.
HOW DARE YOU try to paint me as a racist or anti-Semetic. Of all the low life dis-honest things you have done this is the lowest. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself.
First lets explain this site. This site started out as a sub category on Ken Smith's BJ site, attempting to keep all the garbage type political, conspiracy stuff separated from the BJ sections.
The first dozen or so posts I made there were at that time in 2010 when it was part of Ken Smith's site and were in one thread, a discussion on homosexuality in which I was defending the typical homophobic type rhetoric.
When Ken' site closed this site spun off into it's own site and expanded to include many hate topics. I chose not to participate for several years. Since 2014, I have participated with about a dozen BJ related posts. I did this because there were several knowledgeable, respected AP's that went there after being banned at your site and this was the only way to still interact with them.
During that time, I made several posts defending you and asking that they stop the hateful and vulgar comments directed at you. AT NO TIME did I EVER participate in any kind of racial, anti-Semetic or any other "hate rhetoric", and I am truly appalled that you would attempt to imply this. This is undeniably your sleaziest moment!
He attempted to put across the concept that legitimate APs were banned from BJTF for some reason without explaining that they were banned for racist posts from BJTF and from Ken's site, and sometimes other sites previously.
Quote: QFITThe One2Six is beatable. Not easy, but highly profitable. Don't believe everything you read.
It had nothing to do with the machine.
Quote: kewljMods?? Are we allowed to respond to each other or not? This person complained to wizard about "truce violations" and I was suspended. Do the rules apply both ways? I just want to understand the rules before I play the game.
I have no idea what's going on, but it is clear (IMO) that everything has gone way too far.
Neither of you are banned. You're probably quite pissed at me because you really had something you were about to say, and that's sort of why I felt it sort of prudent to stop it now. You are both men, ones who have their actual identity known to many people in the business.
Think about it.
Cool out for a minute. Again, neither of you are currently suspended. But I don't have the info to address this, so I need to stop it until I find someone who does.
In the meantime, I'd just say that while you have both presented very compelling cases, there is no jury to be found here to convict or acquit either or both of you.
Although, if you guys did want to hash out a strategy discussion with respect to the superiority of using one count vs. using another, or anything along those lines, that would make for some fantastic reading.
I hope you guys find a way to get along, you're both unquestionably brilliant BJ AP's.
Quote: Mission146I'd say the truce agreement is pretty well violated at this point ...
Sheeesh, ya think! I'm worn out
The stars aligned, the end is near.
Think quantities of canned green beans and a water filter ;-)
Seems to me that was his agenda, and reason for his return.
I will NEVER recommend his software again.
Quote: QFIT
Now, he may have finally tried to distance himself from the racist, anti-Semetic site that he has been posting to lately, and used as some sort of odd manner of claiming I was flawed because this bigoted site doesn't like me (surprise). Seriously, he tried to use the opinions of extreme white-supremacists against me. Guess why they were banned. But note, his signature now compares BJTF to CSM's and BJ 6:5. NOT the racist site to which he contributes.
I haven't seen posts like this since I was on
Gamblers Glen or John Patrick.
First, let me say that aside from their feud, I consider QFIT and kewlj very valuable members. I know QFIT hasn't posted much, but he is a huge name in blackjack mathematics and I'm proud to have him on the forum.
Second, in an interest to keep them both here peacefully I suggested the following truce, which they both agreed to.
Quote: truceWhat I suggest is a rule that (kewlj) and (QFIT) may not address each other nor anything that happened at any other forums. If you feel there was a violation, you may not respond in public, but may bring a complaint to me privately.
Both clearly violated that today. As punishment, QFIT shall get a three-day suspension and kewlj seven days, as a second offense.
I don't like all this racist and anti Semitic accusations going on here
Go trump!!!!!!! 2016
Yes, it was due. I assume you had the max bet out?...;-)Quote: rxwineAs a gambler's fallacy might suggest, the Discussion List has been pretty cold for awhile, guess it was due for some action.
I challenge you both to come back here and ignore each other when your suspensions are up, and be welcomed back into this forum. Let's move forward, huh? Thin skin just leads to melanoma.
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Unfortunately you can't answer this question for 7 days KJ, but how does one get run off several forums?
At some point you may need to ask yourself is it them, or is it me.
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Perhaps someone can provide me via PM with some links to some key posts that can shed some light on all this.
Hopefully you don't have to make an account to read posts.
PS. It seems AP Blackjackers be CRAZY.
I hope no one stopped breathing or anything...Quote: chickenmanCM shakes head, resumes his life...
ZIADYMF was a cute name, Hi Buzz.
DMSCR is back in blue, but quiet. Hope he's staying hydrated ;-)
1BB, I hope you are well, and smiling, in the sun.
Yesterday was a cat fight, hopefully quieter today.
Just 2F
KJ has always been a good poster with good information. He shares his experiences, his results, some things he does and how he does those things, etc. You can tell he cares about others, since he gives money to charities, helps at the homeless shelters, gives homeless people money (sometimes/frequently?), and is genuinely helpful on the forums. I don't think he's one of those ego-driven people, IMO, he's far from that. He's talked about having huge losing days, awful downswings, his family problems, and I'm sure other stuff. I think he actually cares about others, in a genuine way.
A while back, everything seemed pretty good on BJTF. But, over time, it seemed like there were a lot more posts talking about fancy strategies and count systems, and much fewer posts about stuff that is actually genuinely useful, like keeping a chip inventory, traveling with cash, hit & run vs burn-it-down vs milking the casino, ways to stay low on the radar by not being so obvious or how to camouflage to look more like a typical gambler, etc. Perhaps it's because that actual-useful-stuff (IMO) can't be talked about over and over. Ya can't keep having the same discussions about the best way to rat-hole chips, stop up a chip inventory, etc. Or maybe those discussions are being buried behind discussions of betting bins and 2-dimensional non-linear side-count index matrices and other stuff like that.
These new fancy strategy threads usually come down to some ridiculous claim -- like having a side-count (or a few side counts) will increase your EV by some huge amount. Add in a few comments about how game conditions are deteriorating and suddenly these "advanced counts are a requirement in today's game" [not verbatim quote], or "HiLo or other low level counts are bad" [not verbatim], or "no serious player uses HiLo or a low level count" [also not verbatim]. And of course, you have all this math and very confusing talk that "proves" HiLo is bad while HiOpt2 + 3 side counts is the best way to play. I think almost all serious APs know this is entirely misleading information.
Then they throw in something like -- if you add on one extra technique to your game, it may add 15%, and something else would add 5%, and something else may add 10%, and you get a compounding increase. They stand behind their claims, perhaps rightly so, until someone reminds them that's NOT how blackjack works (Norm said this) -- you can have 2 techniques added to your game but one won't have a compounding increase on the other, like learning all negative indices AND wonging out in negative counts -- wonging out negates the benefit of learning the negative counts...only way to know for sure is by simulation. Person agrees, simulation is the only way to know....and guess what -- they get right back to it, saying adding 15% and 5% and 10% has a compounding gain to EV!
KJ (or someone who has a similar approach to him) would respond by saying you don't need high level system or side-counts and to not be misled by the information above. Rather, all you need to learn is HiLo + Ill18, and as you progress, throw in some other tricks along the way when/if you can (track 2 tables at once, shuffle tracking, sequencing, hell - even ability to have a regular conversation while playing and not staring at the cards).
The high-level count guys respond by saying something stupid like, "You're saying all you gotta learn is HiLo and Ill18?" and completely ignore everything else about counting 2 tables, ST, etc. or the fact they probably can't keep an accurate count while keeping a conversation. After continued questioning, the high-level count guys finally say they support people to play whichever count they choose and say ST, counting multiple tables, sequencing, etc. is a good way to go, but end it off with "But KJ only said all you have to learn is HiLo + Ill18 [not anything about ST, sequencing, etc.]".
Fewer and fewer of the bigplayer and KJ types on BJTF have been posting, and much more of the Tthree and zenmasterflash have been posting. While the attacks/disagreements/opinions against Tthree & co. go seen and person gets suspended....the attacks/disagreements/opinions against KJ go unseen. Meanwhile, ridiculous posts saying how much an increase in EV or decrease in N0 & variance some super system has over another, is just told "that's not how it works", but allows such ridiculous posting to continue, because of non-censorship.
Not sure which 3 forums KJ got chased out of, unless you mean BJTF, WOV, and BJ21.....one of which you're the admin, one where you complained to the admin, and another where I can only guess you complained to an admin (the one I don't post on).
I think it comes down to this -- KJ cares deeply about blackjack and genuinely cares about people. He doesn't want people to go down some rabbit-hole where winning frequently and losing infrequently is strongly implied....when that's really not the case. There is no censorship when it comes down to verifying claims (like one system can get 5 times the EV [or 4x more] than a HiLo player using a similar count...I like this one because it always makes me laugh whenever I think about it...although there are plenty of other claims).
I don't know anything about any agendas or lack thereof (I don't think you necessarily have an agenda)....but I'm still really confused -- why allow such ridiculous claims to be posted on your site [BJTF]? Ya know the ones -- with very misleading information and broad assumptions. Not an issue of the count-debate (which count is better)...it's an issue of forum members posting misleading information, for reason unknown (except to perhaps boost their ego).
Quote: RSHow I've viewed this whole "ordeal" on mostly BJTF [most of it is not on WOV].....IMO...
KJ has always been a good poster with good information. He shares his experiences, his results, some things he does and how he does those things, etc. You can tell he cares about others, since he gives money to charities, helps at the homeless shelters, gives homeless people money (sometimes/frequently?), and is genuinely helpful on the forums. I don't think he's one of those ego-driven people, IMO, he's far from that. He's talked about having huge losing days, awful downswings, his family problems, and I'm sure other stuff. I think he actually cares about others, in a genuine way.
A while back, everything seemed pretty good on BJTF. But, over time, it seemed like there were a lot more posts talking about fancy strategies and count systems, and much fewer posts about stuff that is actually genuinely useful, like keeping a chip inventory, traveling with cash, hit & run vs burn-it-down vs milking the casino, ways to stay low on the radar by not being so obvious or how to camouflage to look more like a typical gambler, etc. Perhaps it's because that actual-useful-stuff (IMO) can't be talked about over and over. Ya can't keep having the same discussions about the best way to rat-hole chips, stop up a chip inventory, etc. Or maybe those discussions are being buried behind discussions of betting bins and 2-dimensional non-linear side-count index matrices and other stuff like that.
These new fancy strategy threads usually come down to some ridiculous claim -- like having a side-count (or a few side counts) will increase your EV by some huge amount. Add in a few comments about how game conditions are deteriorating and suddenly these "advanced counts are a requirement in today's game" [not verbatim quote], or "HiLo or other low level counts are bad" [not verbatim], or "no serious player uses HiLo or a low level count" [also not verbatim]. And of course, you have all this math and very confusing talk that "proves" HiLo is bad while HiOpt2 + 3 side counts is the best way to play. I think almost all serious APs know this is entirely misleading information.
Then they throw in something like -- if you add on one extra technique to your game, it may add 15%, and something else would add 5%, and something else may add 10%, and you get a compounding increase. They stand behind their claims, perhaps rightly so, until someone reminds them that's NOT how blackjack works (Norm said this) -- you can have 2 techniques added to your game but one won't have a compounding increase on the other, like learning all negative indices AND wonging out in negative counts -- wonging out negates the benefit of learning the negative counts...only way to know for sure is by simulation. Person agrees, simulation is the only way to know....and guess what -- they get right back to it, saying adding 15% and 5% and 10% has a compounding gain to EV!
KJ (or someone who has a similar approach to him) would respond by saying you don't need high level system or side-counts and to not be misled by the information above. Rather, all you need to learn is HiLo + Ill18, and as you progress, throw in some other tricks along the way when/if you can (track 2 tables at once, shuffle tracking, sequencing, hell - even ability to have a regular conversation while playing and not staring at the cards).
The high-level count guys respond by saying something stupid like, "You're saying all you gotta learn is HiLo and Ill18?" and completely ignore everything else about counting 2 tables, ST, etc. or the fact they probably can't keep an accurate count while keeping a conversation. After continued questioning, the high-level count guys finally say they support people to play whichever count they choose and say ST, counting multiple tables, sequencing, etc. is a good way to go, but end it off with "But KJ only said all you have to learn is HiLo + Ill18 [not anything about ST, sequencing, etc.]".
Fewer and fewer of the bigplayer and KJ types on BJTF have been posting, and much more of the Tthree and zenmasterflash have been posting. While the attacks/disagreements/opinions against Tthree & co. go seen and person gets suspended....the attacks/disagreements/opinions against KJ go unseen. Meanwhile, ridiculous posts saying how much an increase in EV or decrease in N0 & variance some super system has over another, is just told "that's not how it works", but allows such ridiculous posting to continue, because of non-censorship.
Not sure which 3 forums KJ got chased out of, unless you mean BJTF, WOV, and BJ21.....one of which you're the admin, one where you complained to the admin, and another where I can only guess you complained to an admin (the one I don't post on).
I think it comes down to this -- KJ cares deeply about blackjack and genuinely cares about people. He doesn't want people to go down some rabbit-hole where winning frequently and losing infrequently is strongly implied....when that's really not the case. There is no censorship when it comes down to verifying claims (like one system can get 5 times the EV [or 4x more] than a HiLo player using a similar count...I like this one because it always makes me laugh whenever I think about it...although there are plenty of other claims).
I don't know anything about any agendas or lack thereof (I don't think you necessarily have an agenda)....but I'm still really confused -- why allow such ridiculous claims to be posted on your site [BJTF]? Ya know the ones -- with very misleading information and broad assumptions. Not an issue of the count-debate (which count is better)...it's an issue of forum members posting misleading information, for reason unknown (except to perhaps boost their ego).
This is really well said, RS. Thank you for posting it. I have stood back from "taking sides" in fear of possibly undermining the Wizard's back stage negotiations, but you emphasize the part that seems most pertinent to me; that there is legitimate disagreement in this area and that it should be able to be discussed without parties taking the discussion personally.
THIS forum (not speaking for any others) does differentiate the vigorous debate of ideas from personal attacks, allowing the first and correcting for the second. That allowance includes NOT suspending people just because someone's offended by disagreement with ideas, opinions, or facts they present, and I'm often asked to make that differentiation. If anyone's going to be a member on this forum, they have to stand up to disagreement without taking umbrage (including me). That's just how it works.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/783/#post512243Quote: WizardNow that I think about it, things have been pretty civil around here lately. Thanks to the vast majority of you for your good behavior.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/784/#post512314Quote: beachbumbabsIf you ask me, it is. I'm thrilled there's been no reason to keep this thread active.
Well so much for that.
One of you two jinx it! Next time please shhhhhhh......... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zxx3_wOCoU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0
Quote: RSHow I've viewed this whole "ordeal" on mostly BJTF [most of it is not on WOV].....IMO...
Great post RS. Thank you for filling the rest of us in on the back story.
This whole this is much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned. It is no big secret that keeping a side count of aces or using a more robust count result in greater expected value. It is also harder and results in more errors keeping the count for most people. In other words, there is a trade off. No big secret there. What is so hard about letting everybody choose for themselves what count strategy to use and not be judgmental about those who choose something else.
If this all boils down to which count system is the best, then that is truly sad.
lol, the problem Mike is if you created a different named account on BJTF, and posted LITERALLY this paragraph you just said, you would get yelled at, "corrected", and shunned for your beliefs. This is what eventually happened to KJ when a couple other "prominent" members (RS talked about) found their voice and started doing to KJ when he mentioned the trade offs, etc.Quote: Wizard...This whole this is much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned. It is no big secret that keeping a side count of aces or using a more robust count result in greater expected value. It is also harder and results in more errors keeping the count for most people. In other words, there is a trade off. No big secret there. What is so hard about letting everybody choose for themselves what count strategy to use and not be judgmental about those who choose something else...
I guess I could go find my post, but I said almost the exact same thing verbatim and got the backlash of "OMG you didn't even think of the N0 or the SCORE do you even know the math??? My SIM shows a 5% increase, never mind that's only $1/hour difference for all the new mistakes I'm making with 3 side counts, IT'S FIVE PERCENT!" etc.
Quote: AxelWolf
PS. It seems AP Blackjackers be CRAZY.
Now the baccarat folks like myself don't feel so lonely no mo'! Well actually come to think of it anyone who regularly ventures into a casino and does well are not "normal." We all live a passionate and intense existence. Each and everyday we assault the common ground whenever we can. Doesn't have to be at some table. From he clothes we wear, the books we read and to the people in our lives, etc.... It is how it is. It is going to alienate lots of people. Piss people off.
This all teaches to live the life you want to live and not a life you supposed to live. You do things for yourself and not to impress anyone.
Not sure how you can compare the two
Quote: WizardQuote: RSHow I've viewed this whole "ordeal" on mostly BJTF [most of it is not on WOV].....IMO...
Great post RS. Thank you for filling the rest of us in on the back story.
This whole this is much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned. It is no big secret that keeping a side count of aces or using a more robust count result in greater expected value. It is also harder and results in more errors keeping the count for most people. In other words, there is a trade off. No big secret there. What is so hard about letting everybody choose for themselves what count strategy to use and not be judgmental about those who choose something else.
If this all boils down to which count system is the best, then that is truly sad.
That's not what it is, though.
Yes, keeping a side count of aces will get you more EV. No one is questioning that.
If you side count Aces, 7's, 9's, and 3's, your EV will be even greater! No one is questioning that (at least I'm not).
The problem is they continue to mislead people into thinking THAT is the way to play -- "the game has so long deteriorated into poorer rules and poor penetration, more heat, etc. so that you can no longer use HiLo or another similar count -- that you need an advanced count with more tags and side counts in order to win, just like all the professionals. And that no professionals use simple counts (ie: no one that makes money uses a simple count)."
It is NOT a count debate. Everyone agrees higher level counts would yield higher EV [all things being equal]. It is about people being misled and nothing being done about it.
Quote: Romeslol, the problem Mike is if you created a different named account on BJTF, and posted LITERALLY this paragraph you just said, you would get yelled at, "corrected", and shunned for your beliefs. This is what eventually happened to KJ when a couple other "prominent" members (RS talked about) found their voice and started doing to KJ when he mentioned the trade offs, etc.
I guess I could go find my post, but I said almost the exact same thing verbatim and got the backlash of "OMG you didn't even think of the N0 or the SCORE do you even know the math??? My SIM shows a 5% increase, never mind that's only $1/hour difference for all the new mistakes I'm making with 3 side counts, IT'S FIVE PERCENT!" etc.
Sitting at home all day running sims then posting about it and actually doing it in a casino are two different things also.
Quote: WizardofnothingAs trump would say HUUUUUGE difference between blackjack and bacc- blackjack is beatable bac is not - and to even remotely think that something that has been proven as not beatable is as bad as thinking martingale gives you an edge as well
Not sure how you can compare the two
Also as always you got things wrong. Again. *shakes head* *face palm* *blows huge fart* *makes a onigiri* Why yes 2Feathers it is just not about the curry anymore.
It is the lifestyle and the ways how life is approached by folks who try to grind out consistent coin at the casinos I am replying to and focus on in regards to Uncle Axie's comment. They don't think like the usual paper pushing corporate cubicle humping drones or that typical casino patron who plays for excitement.
As for any game in the casino if you are able to make things extremely boring, consistent and "predictable" there is a great chance you will probably do something pretty well out of it.
Quote: AxelWolfWhy talk about it at all?
Also spreading to much information (especially publicly) leads to more competition, and again it wises up casinos and darksiders.
The thinking of baccarat that is publicly out there is absolute crap anyways. I hope that remains so for the forseeable future. So no point of talking about it with the majority of the folks out there and definitely not worth it arguing and defending the game. If one can consistently win then great. The lifestyle would prove itself. As for bj if it wasn't for Thorpe to break ground all of you guys would still be in the dark and wouldn't be where you are now. As I have said before and will continue to stress is that I hope bac does not become like what is happening to bj. If Thorpe kept his mouth shut there wouldn't be that 6/5 CSM and other funky quantitative tactics to make bj so darn unplayable.
Quote: Wizardofnothing
Go trump!!!!!!! 2016
Yeah well that explains it. Trump is a punk. If it wasn't for Obama he wouldn't be where he is today. Plus he is just another puppet. Just some chess piece in the board game. He is put there for a reason.
Quote: WizardofnothingAs trump would say HUUUUUGE difference between blackjack and bacc- blackjack is beatable bac is not - and to even remotely think that something that has been proven as not beatable is as bad as thinking martingale gives you an edge as well
Not sure how you can compare the two
Phil Ivey would disagree with you. There is more to life than counting cards.
Onigiri? What's an Onigiri precious? Welcome back! I hope you stayed hydrated. I had hoped you'd come in laughing at your suspension. No more racial jokes, OK? Black lives do matter, just like every other color or shade thereof....but not more than every other color or shade thereof...Quote: DMSCRAlso as always you got things wrong. Again. *shakes head* *face palm* *blows huge fart* *makes a onigiri* Why yes 2Feathers it is just not about the curry anymore. .
I think you need to put a Team in place, what sort of percentage do you need? Our favorite uncle might need some competition, yes?
I didn't really type that did I?
Oh jhit!....;-)
Just 2F
<edit> I had to go look-up 'durian', did 'Onigiri' while I was at it, so ignore that question precious....;-)
Quote: TwoFeathersATLOnigiri? What's an Onigiri precious? Welcome back! I hope you stayed hydrated. I had hoped you'd come in laughing at your suspension. No more racial jokes, OK? Black lives do matter, just like every other color or shade thereof....but not more than every other color or shade thereof...
I think you need to put a Team in place, what sort of percentage do you need? Our favorite uncle might need some competition, yes?
I didn't really type that did I?
Oh jhit!....;-)
Just 2F
I didn't know I was banned until Sunday evening/Monday morning. Uhhhh what got me a three day all paid Wiz The Shack get away was not meant to be a racial joke in anyway. It was just something that just popped up in my headlines and I just used it in my post as a way to imply a silliness to what that OP was complaining about in his Cosmo complaint threat thread. Maybe I should of make fun of what is happening in South China Sea next time? Or how great negative interests rates are?
Put a team together? Yes I will call it Noble Team in honor of Planet Harvest before they glassed the place. I don't need any percentage. I will just live on love and Diablo 3 Paragon points. Uncle Axie does well all on his own. He don't need no competition. Well not from me. I don't think I can fall asleep at the table. Axie has a major one up on me for that one.
Onigiri is awesome. http://s3-media2.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/u9omwxDILOZf3jxIshaSOQ/o.jpg Discovered it over the weekend roaming Japan Creek Market. The Japanese approach to rice is such an art form!
Quote: DMSCRIf Thorpe kept his mouth shut there wouldn't be that 6/5 CSM and other funky quantitative tactics to make bj so darn unplayable.
People were already counting when Beat the Dealer came out. If Thorp didn't write about it, then it wouldn't have taken much longer for somebody else to do so.
Quote: WizardPeople were already counting when Beat the Dealer came out. If Thorp didn't write about it, then it wouldn't have taken much longer for somebody else to do so.
Thorp made it mainstream. Everyone had easy access to it. That is the issue. I am sure there are folks who figured it out but they kept things to themselves and did their thing and just disappear afterwards.
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It is like folks who found inefficiencies in the Markets. The moment everyone finds out it is rendered moot.
I was going to say the same thing.Quote: WizardPeople were already counting when Beat the Dealer came out. If Thorp didn't write about it, then it wouldn't have taken much longer for somebody else to do so.
Disregard DMSCR's inaccurate comment. He's just trying to make excuses why he can't/won't show proof his baccarat betting system works.
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I'm jealous I don't have a big enough imagination that allows me to delude myself in to thinking I can beat a -EV game by using some complicated guessing technique.
Quote: AxelWolfI was going to say the same thing.
Disregard DMSCR's inaccurate comment. He's just trying to make excuses why he can't/won't show proof his baccarat betting system works.
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I'm jealous I don't have a big enough imagination that allows me to delude myself in to thinking I can beat a -EV game by using some complicated guessing technique.
Quote: AxelWolfWhy talk about it at all?
Also spreading to much information (especially publicly) leads to more competition, and again it wises up casinos and darksiders.
You answered your question. Now why would I be stupid enough to show you or anyone anything? How is that going to help me? And what makes you think you are special? LOL. Plus what I have is not a system anyways. I guess like most folks you like to go cherry picking my comments. Guess like you have some homework to do where you have to look back at my past posts to find the answer. Most likely you wouldn't which I hope you don't. LOL.
Axie keep assuming what is already out there. Enjoy that kool aid. I need the status quo to be maintained and protected.
After looking at this https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/16307-ap-employment-opportunity/ I definitely don't have to show you anything. Since you like to jump into any baccarat discussion with your usual predictable two cents deep down you want a solution to this baccarat puzzle like many out there. Guess what. No one is going to offer you the Red Pill. Baccarat can become even more unwelcome and restrictive than bj if this game falls into bj public knowledge-like space.
Seems like what you and The Wiz do not understand is that Thorp opened the doors for other copy cats with the same level of high intelligence to outwardly publicly disclose weaknesses in the game. This same goes for Brunson when he published his Super System for poker. I am sure and not surprised there were other folks who did well "before" these guys. Yet they didn't do it for some sort of public recognition. They did it to line their own pockets and no more.
I'm surprised because baccarat seems very boring, but I guess that's why you guys come up with all this complicated guessing systems. You certainly have enough time with all the sitting out you guys normally do.Quote: DMSCRI don't think I can fall asleep at the table. Axie has a major one up on me for that one.!
To be fair I didn't fall asleep because It was boring, it was just the opposite, I had far to much excitement fot the day. I had been in the casino all day I hit something near the end but the paperwork was taking longer than expected.
In Blackjack Forum he received letters telling him to shut the .... up. Bottom line is if something is good it`s better not to discuss it in public. Some people are just looking for acknowledgement and recognition.
