Discussion about the Suspension List

Quote: beachbumbabs

Ahigh has been suspended, for 7 days, violation of Rule 4 with this post.

Without the approval of you know who?
Fines and reprimands could be issued later,
you know.

Really, so the acronym, Ship High In Transit, is cause for suspension? He should have used the word feces! Hopefully he has a few days to cool off and rethink his reasons for actually being here. He needs to, as Lyle Stuart once wrote; "Make money in the dark"

Quote: beachbumbabs

Ahigh has been suspended, for 7 days, violation of Rule 4 with this post.

Unfortunately a certain member has been allowed to badger Ahigh for years on this forum. Hopefully 1BB, the god of the injustice, will also speak out!

Quote: DeMango

Quote: beachbumbabs

Ahigh has been suspended, for 7 days, violation of Rule 4 with this post.

Unfortunately a certain member has been allowed to badger Ahigh for years

Badger? Really? It looks the opposite to me.
Could you link to some of these badgering
posts, I'm wondering if you even know
what badgering means.

Well Spike, I would say 18,000 posts have badgered quite a few of us!

Quote: DeMango

Well Spike, I would say 18,000 posts have badgered quite a few of us!

So you have nothing, just as I thought.
That was easy..

Quote: DeMango

Quote: beachbumbabs

Ahigh has been suspended, for 7 days, violation of Rule 4 with this post.

Unfortunately a certain member has been allowed to badger Ahigh for years on this forum. Hopefully 1BB, the god of the injustice, will also speak out!

I do have some thoughts on Mr. Hightower's suspension but I'll have to read the entire thread. CliffsNotes anyone?

In the meantime, a quick search of this forum has resulted in Zcore13's information in two places, one given by him and the other by a forum member not involved in the latest thread. In that one the member reveals Zcore13's first name, last initial, occupation and place of employment. That member was not suspended and the post is still there. I will not quote it in case Zcore13 wants to take steps to have it removed.

The question now becomes about privacy. When information is already posted is there still the expectation of privacy? Regardless, in cases like this I would like to see more than one administrator involved in the suspension to avoid the appearance of bias. I'm not saying there is any. Let me repeat. I'm not saying there is any so the number one cheerleader doesn't have to add his two cents worth.

These are two guys who just don't see eye to eye. Suspension of either is not the answer. Maybe lock them in a room together?

I think that AHigh's suspension was correct and reasonable based on the rules of the forum. He put someone's private info out there for everyone to see and did not appear to have permission. That is what the admin saw and that is what was acted on. Asking any admin to wait for a second opinion to avoid the appearance of bias seems to say that someone already believes there is bias. I don't think bias is a part of this decision and we've pretty much already learned and understand that different admins administer the rules according to their understanding of them and then calls get changed if a second admin disagrees.

This case should be looked at again based on the info that was already out there but it is unreasonable to expect an admin to do an investigation of possible previous revelations before acting on what happened in that thread. Perhaps the rule needs to be modified but I would still suspend first if the admin had no immediate recollection of the information being placed in public by the member and then investigate if someone pointed out that it had been. Privacy is more important that a day or two off for what turns out to be an unjust reason. It is just a forum you can't contribute to for a while, not a life event.

To help in that look at the offense, I would assume you have already sent all of the admins a note via PM stating your concerns about the issue and the links to the items you mentioned.

No, they don't see eye to eye. I have had spats with AHigh, but I value his membership here. That is not why he was suspended. He was suspended for violating a rule. It isn't up to the admins to solve their issues, just to moderate the forum. They'll have to lock themselves in the room together on their own!!

I mentioned an existing post with Zcore13's information it it. If someone were to quote that post would they be suspended? Would the person who originally posted the information a little over a year ago be retroactively suspended? It's obvious that he meant no harm but he did break a forum rule. Where do you draw the line? Human beings are naturally biased. That's why we have checks and balances in society. This is a perfect example of taking sides with both guys having their supporters and detractors.

Ahigh did not mine the internet looking for anyone's information. He got the information from this forum. Some would say that existing information, especially information that is over a year old, is fair game. After all, there was no attempt to redact it.

When in doubt suspend. That always solves the problem doesn't it?

Quote: 1BB

I mentioned an existing post with Zcore13's information it it. If someone were to quote that post would they be suspended? Would the person who originally posted the information a little over a year ago be retroactively suspended? It's obvious that he meant no harm but he did break a forum rule. Where do you draw the line? Human beings are naturally biased. That's why we have checks and balances in society. This is a perfect example of taking sides with both guys having their supporters and detractors.

Ahigh did not mine the internet looking for anyone's information. He got the information from this forum. Some would say that existing information, especially information that is over a year old, is fair game. After all, there was no attempt to redact it.

When in doubt suspend. That always solves the problem doesn't it?

Again, I posted a fair way to handle the issue. If the suspension is ruled as unfounded, that is fine. AHigh comes back and he missed a day or two of posting.

How is it taking "sides" when one "side" steps over a known boundary? The issue is not with the rule, it is more with what happens once the member has already shared their own info. I don't expect any admin to know that in advance about every single member nor is it reasonable to expect an investigation from volunteers on every issue.

Have you notified the admins via PM that you feel this is an unjustified suspension and linked the posts that make you think that? If the answer is no, why complain about it here?

Quote: 1BB

Ahigh did not mine the internet looking for anyone's information. He got the information from this forum.

Well, he does "mine the internet" for info on me. He mined the number of the HR Director of my employer and called him yesterday to complain that I am mean to him on this forum. Of course, nothing came of that, but it just shows you what he's all about.


ZCore13

How does that call even go? "Hi! I have a complaint about the non-illegal activities that one of your employees pursues in his personal time. He's mean to me! He says accurate but unkind things about me and my company and I don't like it so make it stop by taking away his company-provided coffee and putting him in withdrawal-headache time-out!"

Quote: RonC

Again, I posted a fair way to handle the issue. If the suspension is ruled as unfounded, that is fine. AHigh comes back and he missed a day or two of posting.

How is it taking "sides" when one "side" steps over a known boundary? The issue is not with the rule, it is more with what happens once the member has already shared their own info. I don't expect any admin to know that in advance about every single member nor is it reasonable to expect an investigation from volunteers on every issue.

Have you notified the admins via PM that you feel this is an unjustified suspension and linked the posts that make you think that? If the answer is no, why complain about it here?

A member requested that I comment on the latest suspension and I obliged. I stated only the facts while offering no opinion or criticism. I didn't even say what I would have done.

Taking sides was in reference to the long, ongoing feud between these two men, not the current suspension. Yes, people have taken sides many posts ago. I have not. Can you say the same, RonC? Should the person who posted the information I've referred to be be suspended? Yes or no? The rule was broken was it not?

RonC, please point out any facts that you think I may have misrepresented and please show me where I have complained. Just because I post and some don't like what I say doesn't automatically mean I'm complaining. That has long been a tactic here and it doesn't wash.

I have not nor will I ever PM an administrator. If I have something to say I'll say it to the entire forum. Brownie points are overrated. I'm not criticizing those who do. To each his own.

Quote: Zcore13

Well, he does "mine the internet" for info on me. He mined the number of the HR Director of my employer and called him yesterday to complain that I am mean to him on this forum. Of course, nothing came of that, but it just shows you what he's all about.


ZCore13

I get it. I really do. I can get your information in seconds from the previous posts on this very forum. How is someone else to be blamed for that?

Calling someone's employer is beyond bazaar and speaks volumes about a person who would do such a thing. Please tell me it was a misunderstanding because that's a tough one to swallow. What sets this apart from the usual internet nonsense is that both of you have identified yourselves as real people rather than "ghosts". That's unusual and refreshing.

You're okay, Zcore. If I'm ever in your area I may stop in and say hello. I won't tell you my real name but if you really wanted it, I may be in one of your "books" along with a much younger photo. Just don't post the photo here. You do not have my permission. :-)

Quote: 1BB

I get it. I really do. I can get your information in seconds from the previous posts on this very forum. How is someone else to be blamed for that?

Calling someone's employer is beyond bazaar and speaks volumes about a person who would do such a thing. Please tell me it was a misunderstanding because that's a tough one to swallow. What sets this apart from the usual internet nonsense is that both of you have identified yourselves as real people rather than "ghosts". That's unusual and refreshing.

You're okay, Zcore. If I'm ever in your area I may stop in and say hello. I won't tell you my real name but if you really wanted it, I may be in one of your "books" along with a much younger photo. Just don't post the photo here. You do not have my permission. :-)

I'd be happy to buy you a drink. I've had other just say they know me from WoV. I don't need or care about personal information if it's not offered up.

Not sure how calling someone's work regarding stuff that happens when you voluntarily post on a public forum could be a misunderstanding, but everyone's entitled to their own opinion on stuff.


ZCore13

Quote: 1BB

A member requested that I comment on the latest suspension and I obliged. I stated only the facts while offering no opinion or criticism. I didn't even say what I would have done.

...and I commented on your post. So what?

Quote: 1BB

Taking sides was in reference to the long, ongoing feud between these two men, not the current suspension. Yes, people have taken sides many posts ago. I have not. Can you say the same, RonC? Should the person who posted the information I've referred to be be suspended? Yes or no? The rule was broken was it not?

...I understand the potential issue of taking sides but the admin just did what admins do...saw an offense and made a suspension. I've already provided my opinion, including my opinion of what you--as the one that sees an injustice in it--should do and what the admins should do with the info you provided. No need to rehash my position, it has not changed.

Quote: 1BB

RonC, please point out any facts that you think I may have misrepresented and please show me where I have complained. Just because I post and some don't like what I say doesn't automatically mean I'm complaining. That has long been a tactic here and it doesn't wash.

I didn't say a word about you misrepresenting a fact. Yes, having something to say about every suspension does eventually give the impression to more than one of us that you are complaining. More so when you are willing to do nothing to fix the issue if it isn't in public. People who are just trying to fix things take the steps necessary, public or private, to do so. If you see an injustice, try to fix it. Since you won't post the links publicly and you have found them, simply send them to all the admins and ask them to consider reducing/rescinding the suspension and/or revising the rule to reflect information already posted publicly.

Quote: 1BB

I have not nor will I ever PM an administrator. If I have something to say I'll say it to the entire forum. Brownie points are overrated. I'm not criticizing those who do. To each his own.

Pointing out facts that someone may not know is not attempting to get "brownie points"...in my opinion, that is not the way to look at it. Setting something right is not done to get "brownie points", it is done to set something right.

Quote: Zcore13

Well, he does "mine the internet" for info on me. He mined the number of the HR Director of my employer and called him yesterday to complain that I am mean to him on this forum. Of course, nothing came of that, but it just shows you what he's all about.


ZCore13

If this is true (and I am not doubting it, but one party can offer no rebuttal at this point), it is time for someone to think about why they are here and possibly leave. Having an internet feud with someone is one issue; bringing it to the work place of the other person is another. If your HR person was a forum member it would be different.

If you ask people what they think of work you have done, be prepared to hear all the answers.

There are options for those who complain about my or anyone's participation in this thread. Ironically, the ones complaining about the ones complaining are the ones who complain the most.

The title of this thread is Discussion about the Suspension List. It has 666,501 views and 6,891 posts. It is by far the number one thread here. As long as it exists I will post. I will not be bullied into curtailing my participation because my opinions don't always align with the opinion of others. That's what accusations of complaining could be construed by some to be. Bullying. Imagine what the forum would be like if all 6,435 active members agreed on everything. How long would it last?

Here are some options for the real complainers. Don't read the thread. Block the thread. Block the person who dares to have an opinion different than yours. Finally, use that PM that some are so fond of and petition for the closure of this thread. Good luck with that. Maybe do something constructive like whine about every minuscule change in the forum because you're still mad that it got sold.

Quote: RonC

If this is true (and I am not doubting it, but one party can offer no rebuttal at this point), it is time for someone to think about why they are here and possibly leave. Having an internet feud with someone is one issue; bringing it to the work place of the other person is another. If your HR person was a forum member it would be different.

If you ask people what they think of work you have done, be prepared to hear all the answers.

As always, thanks for saving me a bunch of typing.

Quote: RonC

I think that AHigh's suspension was correct and reasonable based on the rules of the forum. He put someone's private info out there for everyone to see and did not appear to have permission. That is what the admin saw and that is what was acted on. Asking any admin to wait for a second opinion to avoid the appearance of bias seems to say that someone already believes there is bias. I don't think bias is a part of this decision and we've pretty much already learned and understand that different admins administer the rules according to their understanding of them and then calls get changed if a second admin disagrees.

This case should be looked at again based on the info that was already out there but it is unreasonable to expect an admin to do an investigation of possible previous revelations before acting on what happened in that thread. Perhaps the rule needs to be modified but I would still suspend first if the admin had no immediate recollection of the information being placed in public by the member and then investigate if someone pointed out that it had been. Privacy is more important that a day or two off for what turns out to be an unjust reason. It is just a forum you can't contribute to for a while, not a life event.

To help in that look at the offense, I would assume you have already sent all of the admins a note via PM stating your concerns about the issue and the links to the items you mentioned.

No, they don't see eye to eye. I have had spats with AHigh, but I value his membership here. That is not why he was suspended. He was suspended for violating a rule. It isn't up to the admins to solve their issues, just to moderate the forum. They'll have to lock themselves in the room together on their own!!

+1. Well said.

Quote: RonC

If you ask people what they think of work you have done, be prepared to hear all the answers.

Unfortunately I really don't think they want our opinions unless it's a praising one.

Quote: 1BB

I get it. I really do. I can get your information in seconds from the previous posts on this very forum. How is someone else to be blamed for that?

Easily. It was structured as a personal attack,
that was obvious. Then as more proof it was
an attack, it was followed up by a call to
Zcore's place of employment to 'turn him
in' for bothering Ahigh on a public forum.

I don't know if Bab's knew about the call,
but just posting someone's personal info
the way he did, it was obviously a personal
attack all on it's own. Did you think Ahigh
was doing Zcore a favor by posting it?

Quote: EvenBob

Easily. It was structured as a personal attack,
that was obvious. Then as more proof it was
an attack, it was followed up by a call to
Zcore's place of employment to 'turn him
in' for bothering Ahigh on a public forum.

I don't know if Bab's knew about the call,
but just posting someone's personal info
the way he did, it was obviously a personal
attack all on it's own. Did you think Ahigh
was doing Zcore a favor by posting it?

That's an interesting spin on Forum Rule 4. Are you saying that someone's personal information posted other than "the way he did it" would be acceptable? Is it okay as long as it's not structured as a personal attack? I don't see any distinction in the rule. Was it expressly stated that the information was to remain private, information that has been posted several times here without any suspension? If I saw you at Walmart stocking up on green beans and mentioned it here would I be in violation of the rule if you didn't tell me not to say anything?

No, I don't think it was a favor that information readily available on this forum, information that was never questioned until now, was re posted. Would I have done it? Not in a million years nor would I call someone's place of work. I find that particularly disturbing and look forward to the inevitable rebuttal.

If only...

Kentry is Suspended one week for violating the Keep it PG Rule:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/23890-slots-that-saved-your-ass/10/#post491291

I was going to wait until Kentry was entered on the suspension list before commenting because I thought that he surely must have done something far more serious to warrant a 7 day suspension than the relatively mild offense in the link provided, his first and only offense.

Let's take a trip down memory lane just for a couple of weeks.

Exoter175, our resident genius/AP, made several personal insults to some of the forum's most respected members and used the F word multiple times. The insults were never addressed. Penalty for multiple use of the F word - 3 day suspension.

Dean uses the words "jerk and "stupid". His penalty - a welcome to the forum and a polite warning.

Along comes Kentry who is maligned, insulted, disparaged and baited relentlessly within three minutes of his very first post. Administrators are urged to "drop the hammer". Beachbumbabs stood her ground refusing to give in to those demands citing the fact that Kentry did nothing wrong and broke no rules.

A few hours later we see Kentry's name in red for violating the keep it PG rule. It was one and only one offense, not the multiple offenses that we have seen in others. It appears that it may have been the F word but it was so well masked that I'm not sure. Whatever it was, he directed it at himself and no one else and it was about as harmless as could be. Through the harassment that he endured, harassment that he was allowed to endure, he never lashed out, took the bait or insulted or swore at anyone. He conducted himself properly at all times. For this mild, harmless first offense he is suspended for 7 days. If there's any evidence that Kentry is misrepresenting himself, let's see it now. I'm not saying it couldn't happen but as of now he is suspended for 7 days. Nice Martingale.

Let's recap.

Exoter - Multiple use of F word and personal insults - first group of offenses - 3 day suspension.

Dean - Use of "jerk" and "stupid" - first offense - polite warning.

I do not disagree with either of these actions.

Kentry - Possible use of the F word with the best masking I've ever seen and it was not directed at another member. First offense - 7 day suspension.

Since no evidence has been produced that Kentry is anything other than he has portrayed himself as, there is one more thing I want to say. Welcome to the forum, Kentry. Sorry you were treated that way.

The words "hall of shame" have never rung truer for me than they do right now. I'm sure we'll all sleep better tonight.

Quote: 1BB

Kentry - Possible use of the F word with the best masking I've ever seen and it was not directed at another member. First offense - 7 day suspension.

Since no evidence has been produced that Kentry is anything other than he has portrayed himself as, there is one more thing I want to say. Welcome to the forum, Kentry. Sorry you were treated that way.

The words "hall of shame" have never rung truer for me than they do right now. I'm sure we'll all sleep better tonight.

I'll sleep fine tonight. I continue to be bewildered about your obsession with the rules and who is or isn't suspended? This isn't life or death, it isn't a criminal sentence, it doesn't affect anyone's employment (when kept on the board), so who cares? It's an internet discussion board, and the mods have been charged with a set or rules/boundaries that they may interpret slightly differently (although I think for the most part, they don't stray too far from each other). And yes, some members will get more latitude, as they probably should. I think you missed the lesson that "life isn't fair".

By the way, if removing one letter from the F word is the "best masking" you've ever seen, then you haven't seen too many texts from teens, they use much more imagination.

Quote: MidwestAP

I'll sleep fine tonight. I continue to be bewildered about your obsession with the rules and who is or isn't suspended? This isn't life or death, it isn't a criminal sentence, it doesn't affect anyone's employment (when kept on the board), so who cares? It's an internet discussion board, and the mods have been charged with a set or rules/boundaries that they may interpret slightly differently (although I think for the most part, they don't stray too far from each other). And yes, some members will get more latitude, as they probably should. I think you missed the lesson that "life isn't fair".

By the way, if removing one letter from the F word is the "best masking" you've ever seen, then you haven't seen too many texts from teens, they use much more imagination.

You give me much to ponder, MidwestAP. I continue to be bewildered by your bewilderment. As you said, it's a discussion board. Since you said it, I know that you didn't miss that fact. It's also a discussion thread and I'm discussing. I'm sorry if that bewilders you. Would you like to talk about something else? Let's ask the owners of this site how they like new members being mistreated and driven away because some didn't like their posts. Do you like every post, MidwestAP? The Kentrys of the world could be the ones that click on the advertisers here and patronize them. That's the purpose of this site. It's a business, not our personal playground.

You don't know me. How dare you surmise that I don't know that life isn't fair. I see it every day, unlike many who choose to ignore it and do nothing about it.

I have given Kentry, as have other Admins, the benefit of the doubt with respect to nearly half of his posts as relates the possibility of Trolling. I suspect that many of his posts are less than sincere, but given my lack of objective proof, I have not taken any action in that regard.

As far as him being allegedly insulted, he has posted and others have given their opinions with respect to those posts. Were it to be suggested, for example, that I am Trolling in one post or another, I would not interpret that as an insult because it would pertain to something I wrote.

Finally, if I were to take Kentry at face value...then I would mirror the suggestion of others that he should talk to someone about the possibility that he has a gambling addiction. A professional. If it turns out that he does, indeed, have a gambling problem, then I would suggest that he should not post or follow a gambling Forum and should remove himself from anything gambling-related to the fullest possible extent. Actually, I think he'd do well to do that unless he can determine that he does NOT have a problem.

That's not to say that I would Nuke him for having a problem, if he wished to be Nuked for that reason, then he would have to ask.

To put it simply, if he is serious, then I am deeply concerned for his welfare. I believe he should take these seven days to contemplate whether or not spending more time reading about gambling is a healthy thing for him to do. In other words, I don't want to Suspend him for an absurd duration on a first offense...but by eliminating his participation a little longer than usual, I think it may help him.

Quote: 1BB

I was going to wait until Kentry was entered on the suspension list before commenting

This is as far as I read in your encyclopedia-like
post. All I want to know is, in your position of
unchosen, unofficial, unqualified critic of every
decision a mod makes, will you be levying
fines and sending out reprimands? Have you
found even one person here who cares about
what you have to say about somebody getting
banned. Big yawn...

Quote: EvenBob

This is as far as I read in your encyclopedia-like
post. All I want to know is, in your position of
unchosen, unofficial, unqualified critic of every
decision a mod makes, will you be levying
fines and sending out reprimands? Have you
found even one person here who cares about
what you have to say about somebody getting
banned. Big yawn...

There was no criticism. I was merely pointing out the facts. Now I understand. A 7 day suspension is going to save the guy a lifetime of misery by curing him of his alleged addiction.

Do tell us one of your great stories, EvenBob. No one would ever yawn at one of those. How about one about the bar this time?

Quote: 1BB

Anything else on your mind? How about texting teens? I don't think that's something that adults should be doing, in fact I find it creepy for lack of a better word. I don't think the parents of any teen would be comfortable with that.

Don't go there with that insinuation. I have teens, I monitor their texts when necessary. Enough said about that.

I never said you couldn't discuss this topic. Go ahead. You ask why I care? I care because in my opinion, you bring the board down. In my opinion, you try to taint the great job the mods do, thus creating unnecessary conflict that then takes away from the good and interesting information found here, including yours.

I also find it laughable to think you really care that the mods actions may take away advertiser clicks. I don't think you really care, you just use it as a way to defend your position. If Zuga or the owners really agreed with you, they could simply remove any of the mods of their responsibilities.

Quote: MidwestAP

Don't go there with that insinuation. I have teens, I monitor their texts when necessary. Enough said about that.

I never said you couldn't discuss this topic. Go ahead. You ask why I care? I care because in my opinion, you bring the board down. In my opinion, you try to taint the great job the mods do, thus creating unnecessary conflict that then takes away from the good and interesting information found here, including yours.

I also find it laughable to think yIou really care that the mods actions may take away advertiser clicks. I don't think you really care, you just use it as a way to defend your position. If Zuga or the owners really agreed with you, they could simply remove any of the mods of their responsibilities.

1. I made no insinuation about you, rather I voiced a general opinion on something that you brought up. If you want to drop it, consider it dropped.

2. I did not ask you why you care.

3. I was not referring to the actions of the mods, rather the actions of a few members who take it upon themselves to decide which posts and posters are worthy of their eyes. Sound familiar?

4. Laugh all you want. I very much want the new owners to succeed and I know they will, with or without this forum. I'm not one of the sour grapes crowd who can't deal with the fact that this site was sold.

Quote: MidwestAP

Don't go there with that insinuation. I have teens, I monitor their texts when necessary. Enough said about that.

I never said you couldn't discuss this topic. Go ahead. You ask why I care? I care because in my opinion, you bring the board down. In my opinion, you try to taint the great job the mods do, thus creating unnecessary conflict that then takes away from the good and interesting information found here, including yours.

I also find it laughable to think you really care that the mods actions may take away advertiser clicks. I don't think you really care, you just use it as a way to defend your position. If Zuga or the owners really agreed with you, they could simply remove any of the mods of their responsibilities.

I was just about to jump in on the side of 1BB's defense, but he beat me to it (I'm slow).
I have, as I feel sure 1BB remembers, given him a hard time once or twice.
Respect his motivations or not, know his motivations or not (which I think most here don't), I got to give a hand to 1BB for almost always remaining composed and articulate. Almost? Rare exception, the texting teens reference was beneath him, and I think he knows it. 1BB is not perfect after all, and neither are the moderators, and as long as it is discussed in the proper threads maybe we can all can accept today, and live for tomorrow. Not that anyone cares what I think.

Quote: TwoFeathersATL

I was just about to jump in on the side of 1BB's defense, but he beat me to it (I'm slow).
I have, as I feel sure 1BB remembers, given him a hard time once or twice.
Respect his motivations or not, know his motivations or not (which I think most here don't), I got to give a hand to 1BB for almost always remaining composed and articulate. Almost? Rare exception, the texting teens reference was beneath him, and I think he knows it. 1BB is not perfect after all, and neither are the moderators, and as long as it is discussed in the proper threads maybe we can all can accept today, and live for tomorrow. Not that anyone cares what I think.

Thanks for your input. I'm not looking for a fight over the internet nor am I looking to have my every post picked apart by the same few people. I'm not the one who brought up that reference that seems to bother you. Since it does, I'm going to delete it in an attempt of good faith. You and MidwestAP can feel free to do the same in your posts/quotes. Thanks again.

Quote: 1BB

I made no insinuation about you, rather I voiced a general opinion on something that you brought up. If you want to drop it, consider it dropped.

Quote: 1BB

Anything else on your mind? How about texting teens?

bold added for emphasis

You most certainly did. The implication is clear. What you insinuated was insulting, and I'd be happy to drop it, except you're still trying to defend it, and it just doesn't ring true. I brought up the point that teens are creative in their text spelling. I most certainly did not bring up the topic of adults texting teens, so to say I brought it up is a mischaracterization of my post.

Quote: 1BB

I did not ask you why you care.

Quote: 1BB

Your turn, MidwestAP. Why are you so concerned with my posts?

My mistake, you asked why I was concerned, not care. Excuse me for mixing up my words.

Quote: 1BB

Laugh all you want. I very much want the new owners to succeed and I know they will, with or without this forum. I'm not one of the sour grapes crowd who can't deal with the fact that this site was sold.

Nor am I. I don't think you'll find one post of mine that was critical of the site being sold. I think if the owners were concerned about the problems you claim persists on this site, they could do something about it.

Try as you might to spin it there was no insinuation whatsoever, just an opinion in general. Although I deleted it in good faith, it is still in your quote and it clearly shows no insult on my part. I doubt that anyone will buy your accusation. Just so everyone knows, the why are you concerned quote was made months ago when you last attacked my right to post. I did not ask that today. You're the one making accusations and quoting old posts of mine and I find that misleading and insulting. I'm sure you're out rallying the troops now so good luck with that. If there's nothing else I'll let you get back to reading all of my previous posts. See you next time I have an opinion that you don't like.

Yes, life isn't fair when someone has an opinion that differs from yours. How dare they.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Re: Profanity suspension:

I have been masking it where I've seen it from Exoter the past few weeks, but I've been off traveling a lot this month, and he's been here long enough to notice that most others mask their swears as requested, but has ignored that convention, as well as Rule 6, which he's had enough time to read. I've also received member complaints about the swearing. So I've given him a 3 day suspension for the collective offense.

A quick search finds some of those I haven't masked or read yet...

Progressives- min bet or max lines? - Slots - Gambling - Page 5 ..
1 day ago ... Exoter175 · Exoter175 ... Most people will absolutely shit themselves to find a $490.00 quick strike just sitting there, and will immediately play it

St Louis area casino info request - Western U.S. - Gambling outside ...
Oct 1, 2015 ... Exoter175 ... all of the roads and highways diverge into one another the closer you get to the river, and then you get to the shitty driving part lol.
wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling-outside-vegas/...us/.../5/

Guy claims to have invented a BJ betting system - Betting Systems ...
6 days ago ... Exoter175 ... Just curious, do you even know what you're talking about, or are you throwing shit at a wall in hopes that it sticks, again?
wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/...to.../9/

True test of your SRR - Dice Setting - Gambling - Page 10 - Forums ...
Oct 12, 2015 ... Exoter175 ... In terms of "bang for your buck" the STA/ATS is fucking awful, and no DI in the world should ever bet it if they are a true DI, ...
wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/dice-setting/23597.../10/

Guy claims to have invented a BJ betting system - Betting Systems ...
Oct 13, 2015 ... Quote: Exoter175. Maybe if you read my fucking post and decided to comprehend it, rather than refute a segment of its argument, you'd stop ...
wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/...to.../5/

Progressives- min bet or max lines? - Slots - Gambling - Page 5 ...
1 day ago ... Exoter175 ... games have a "holy fuck what just happened" variable programmed into them, to where the most improbable of all things happens ...
wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/23813...min-bet.../5/

And, of course,


Profanity and condescension do not demonstrate intelligence, contrary to your assertion earlier in this thread (the one quoted above). Ask any 4th grade dropout living on the street. Thanks in advance for your compliance.

Profanity and condescension do not take away from intelligence either, Babs, and if it is the intention of this forum to slap me on the wrist with a ban for 3 days for saying supposed "cuss" words, though words like Feces and Fornication would otherwise have been fine in their place, rather than the "slang" I used, and the countless condescension, underhanded insults, and outright obvious insults from MathExtremist and others go by without even the slightest bit of a warning, then you're going to watch this forum decay further than it has.

Now, I'm not saying you don't have a right to protect the integrity of the forum, Babs, but have you not noticed the amount of activity this forum has seen since I began posting here? Its like gone up in the 100's of percentile. If you constantly "Nazi Moderate" an internet forum, specifically one about a very specific niche, you'll often find that long time forum goers will slowly curtail as they feel their "freedom" to post a "down to earth" message is being constrained.

In fact, none of those quotes you posted, directly referenced my "slang" to a player, rather a situation. Posting "Effing lol" isn't targeted at the person, its being used to identify the amount of "LOL" being given, which at the time of that posting, was quite a bit. Beyond that, saying "holy feces" to an event occurring (specifically in a thread where there isn't an argument taking place) in real life isn't a "bad" thing, its a very common thing that many people express in real life.

If your plan is to run this forum in a very sterile, particle free environment where everyone wears white, you're essentially going to drive the interest of the forum out as people aren't allowed to express feelings, emotions, interest and the like. A forum without those things isn't an active forum.


I also do not require a rebuttal from you Babs, because I do understand your angle, and I also understand the fact that you probably take this moderating thing "too seriously" in regards to your interpretation of the forum rules, but instead weigh those interpretations against the precedents already set. I can't argue or fight you against that, that's your doing. I can merely caution you against doing such a thing.

Lastly, Babs, I'm going to make this very abundantly clear to you and the other Moderators and Owner/s of the forum. I'm not going censor my expressions of frustration on this forum or any other. I have not targeted a person with "foul language" in an argument, merely expressed with such language, my frustration at their comment. Its one thing to say "MathExtremist, you're an effing idiot", its another to say, "are you effing kidding me? Michigan fumbled the ball and let Michigan state beat them as time expired?". See the difference? One is absolutely offensive, the other is an expression of frustration that only forum nazis, old people with no sense of fun and enjoyment in life, and just flat out boring people would take offense to. That's your prerogative though. And I will apologize ahead of time if "effing" somehow is a forum rule violation. Merely just trying to "tone down" the language for you, while I put it into a situation so that you might see the difference between their intended usage, and that I haven't nor would I consciously intend to make a forum post using foul language to berate or belittle someone, though its obvious you read only MY posts from those threads, and not MathExtremists, and just looked the other way.

I would also like to point out that 7 posts out of nearly 200 in a small window, a window in which your forum has seen exponential amounts of activity on since my arrival, does not constitute this as being a real "issue" that needed addressing, especially when you take the quotes in their full context, which would trim down those citations to just a few, and even then, are only expressions of frustrations, rather than targeted against members themselves. Furthermore, I haven't had the time to read your rules, and like most forums, had assumed that all standard "forum rules" were applied here, and that they would be interpreted differently by different people as they always have. The only difference is that I've never had the slang forums of "feces" and "fornication" ever cause an issue with anyone, short of "Fornication thou" in a post. It should go without saying then, that I have absolutely no problem ceasing my posting on this forum should that continue, or should we not see "eye to eye" on a number of subjects, primarily that of you showing a bias towards MathExtremist by ignoring his offenses, and then making an offense yourself in this very post I've quoted, by remarking with condescension in the very last sentence to me, which kind of strikes irony in the heart of the matter, perhaps a bit hypocritical? Please refer to rule #1 and read that thread over again.

Do with my post what you will, but at least do me the courtesy of editing out every word of every post I've ever made on your forum, including the quotes by other members, should you decide to "suspend" me again, the last thing you guys need is a copyright situation on your forum without a clearly identified and posted ToS or License Agreement.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Dean,

I would like to welcome you to the forum, but I must caution you. We do not allow people to sign up specifically to attack another member, nor do we allow personal insults. You are perilously close to both in your first 2 posts (the 3rd is a duplicate), so this is a warning advising you of our rules. Thank you!

Also, I"m citing this quote to show an inconsistency in your moderation of the site, in a thread where the title has "ass" in it, which by your own forum rules is a violation, where posters are saying "ass" quite a bit, thus further breaking the forum rules.

Constructive criticism Babs.

Quote: Exoter175

Quote: beachbumbabs

Dean,

I would like to welcome you to the forum, but I must caution you. We do not allow people to sign up specifically to attack another member, nor do we allow personal insults. You are perilously close to both in your first 2 posts (the 3rd is a duplicate), so this is a warning advising you of our rules. Thank you!

Also, I"m citing this quote to show an inconsistency in your moderation of the site, in a thread where the title has "ass" in it, which by your own forum rules is a violation, where posters are saying "ass" quite a bit, thus further breaking the forum rules.

Constructive criticism Babs.

Actually it was Mikes site and Mikes Rules and he said he doesn't conciser ass offensive. There's zero reason not to edit the F word.

I don't think BBB wanted to suspend you but the constant use of the F word may of gotten PM complaints and your posts were probably flagged.

If people are complaining the mods may feel the need to take action.

Perhaps no one was complaining of whatever you feel was an insult from ME.



Do you read what you post?

Do you realize many people probably don't like you purely because almost everything you say is bragging, smug and seemingly ego driven? Some of you're long posts just keep saying some of the same stuff over and over.

That may lead to a short term membership here for you. Not because it's against the rules, but because of the possible baiting.

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: Exoter175

Quote: beachbumbabs

Dean,

I would like to welcome you to the forum, but I must caution you. We do not allow people to sign up specifically to attack another member, nor do we allow personal insults. You are perilously close to both in your first 2 posts (the 3rd is a duplicate), so this is a warning advising you of our rules. Thank you!

Also, I"m citing this quote to show an inconsistency in your moderation of the site, in a thread where the title has "ass" in it, which by your own forum rules is a violation, where posters are saying "ass" quite a bit, thus further breaking the forum rules.

Constructive criticism Babs.

Actually it was Mikes site and Mikes Rules and he said he doesn't conciser ass offensive. There's zero reason not to edit the F word.

I don't think BBB wanted to suspend you but the constant use of the F word may of gotten PM complaints and your posts were probably flagged.

If people are complaining the mods may feel the need to take action.

Perhaps no one was complaining of whatever you feel was an insult from ME.



Do you read what you post?

Do you realize many people probably don't like you purely because almost everything you say is bragging, smug and seemingly ego driven? Some of you're long posts just keep saying some of the same stuff over and over.

That may lead to a short term membership here for you. Not because it's against the rules, but because of the possible baiting.

BBB mentioned reading that thread with her finger on the button, it was pretty obvious what her intent was.

And yes, Axel, I read what I post, I thoughtfully write out what I post. I also realize its the internet, Axel, and its no place for a popularity contest. Do you think people like what MathExtremist posts when everything he writes is mug, ego driven, and seemingly bragging? Do you see the similarity there?

The issue, if there is one, is the fact that others' egos will not admit when they've made a mistake, and would rather turn things into a cyclical debate, thus your point about me having to say the same stuff over and over again, because I'm trying to pound it into ME's thick skull, where he made an error. Eventually, he's either trolling (a rule violation), insulting (a rule violation), and I'm expressing frustration over the matter, and over his ignorance. Does that make me a bad person? No. Do I care what I'm perceived to be? Absolutely not, and that might be the biggest difference between us here. I literally do not give a flying fornication how I'm perceived on a forum full of degenerate gamblers, false prophets, whack job mathematicians, and crooks looking for an angle. Its just the normal ebb and flow of the daily world, Axel, you of all people should know that. If we, specifically pertaining to our obvious Machine Hustling Experience, actually cared about what people thought of us, we wouldn't be in this line of work, and of course I'm going to carry an Ego, Axel, I make what some Doctors and Lawyers make around here, and I do it in the casino, where its taboo to think you can even "beat the house". It makes all of us Cocky, with very large egos, that doesn't detract from the fact that what I do, what I've done, and what I've said aren't right or accurate, so what's the matter with how I lay it out there?

At the end of the day, its a forum like any other, only we all share a common interest, and I'm here to correct and enlighten some of these folks who have the wrong idea, or the wrong information about stuff I happen to be an expert in, and like any good teacher, I wouldn't be doing my job if every child in the classroom loved me.

Quote: Exoter175

I'm trying to pound it into ME's thick skull, where he made an error. Eventually, he's either trolling (a rule violation), insulting (a rule violation), and I'm expressing frustration over the matter, and over his ignorance.
...
I literally do not give a flying fornication how I'm perceived on a forum full of degenerate gamblers, false prophets, whack job mathematicians, and crooks looking for an angle.

Insulting the entire forum is a good way to make friends...

Quote: MathExtremist

Insulting the entire forum is a good way to make friends...

I don't fall under any of those categories. Can I choose my own? How about "Evil Casino Management People"?


ZCore13

Quote: Exoter175

I literally do not give a flying fornication how I'm perceived on a forum full of degenerate gamblers, false prophets, whack job mathematicians, and crooks looking for an angle. Its just the normal ebb and flow of the daily world, Axel, you of all people should know that.

It does have comic-strip value. With the evil villain, none other than the unsuspecting LarryS, from the evil GG.

Oops, may I say evil here?

P.S. The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming, from Slot Land.

Quote: Zcore13

I don't fall under any of those categories. Can I choose my own? How about "Evil Casino Management People"?


ZCore13

I'd be inclined to join that category if it's an open invitation.

Quote: TheGrimReaper13

It does have comic-strip value. With the evil villain, none other than the unsuspecting LarryS, from the evil GG.

Oops, may I say evil here?

P.S. The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming, from Slot Land.

Yes, you can say evil but I'll bet a few people here wish you wouldn't mention LarryS. :-) The last thing we need here is another good debater.

Quote: MathExtremist

Insulting the entire forum is a good way to make friends...

Yeah, I don't foresee this ending well...

Quote: 1BB

when you last attacked my right to post.

Since you seem to also be good at tracking down old posts (something to do with Ahigh and Zcore, although I lost interest and didn't really care to try to decipher what was going on there), I challenge you to find one instance where I attacked your RIGHT to post. Just one.

No sir, I attacked the content of the posts. The constant criticism of the moderation, the never ending drama you stir up, and the borderline baiting you so closely approach. But not once, have I attacked your RIGHT to post.

Quote: MidwestAP

Since you seem to also be good at tracking down old posts (something to do with Ahigh and Zcore, although I lost interest and didn't really care to try to decipher what was going on there), I challenge you to find one instance where I attacked your RIGHT to post. Just one.

No sir, I attacked the content of the posts. The constant criticism of the moderation, the never ending drama you stir up, and the borderline baiting you so closely approach. But not once, have I attacked your RIGHT to post.

Are you still trying to drag this out? I think we all get it now. I have a right to post but you want to dictate what I discuss. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Sorry if things aren't as you feel they should be.

If continuing your vendetta is what you feel you must do, by all means continue. If insulting me will make you feel better, give it your best shot. I promise I won't go crying to the mods. They all know that I have a long standing request to not suspend anyone that insults me no matter how extreme. This goes back several years and so far my request has been honored. I'm an easy target so go ahead.

I'm responding to you because it's the polite thing to do however this has gone too far. Who's bringing down the forum now? I'll be happy to discuss another subject if you wish but I'm going to be the bigger man and end this for the better of the forum. Start a thread bashing me if you'd like. I'm sure that would be interesting for a few minutes.

Since this thread is about the suspension list, how about a comment on that? What do you think of Kentry's 7 day suspension and the reasons given? Why do you think his name has been left off the suspension list? Please be specific and say something other that life isn't always fair. Can you do that?

As always it's great to hear from you, MidwestAP. Your interest in me is appreciated.

Quote: MathExtremist

Insulting the entire forum is a good way to make friends...

Who said I was here to make friends?

Quote: Zcore13

I don't fall under any of those categories. Can I choose my own? How about "Evil Casino Management People"?


ZCore13

One could argue that you'd fall under "Crooks looking for an angle" if you're employed by the casino :P

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Yeah, I don't foresee this ending well...

Foresee what exactly?

Almost all of us fit into those descriptions whether we choose to believe it or not, if it offends you, oh well. The point of that comment, that ME and others are skewing from context, again, is that I don't care what you (the poster, not you you aces) think of me, or what you believe. Those things don't affect me, and don't have an influence on me, so making statements like "I don't foresee this ending well" when ME's looking at a sentence, rather than the message just goes to prove my point further.