Discussion about the Suspension List
I was razing 1BB. It had nothing to do with you, other than you just happen to be the person doing the banning. I would've made that joke no matter who suspended JyBrd.Quote: beachbumbabssoxfan was banned for cause, but no rule currently in effect specifically applied, though I thought there was one. So I reversed myself reluctantly in the absence of a hate speech rule. However, as Face reminded me, the Wizard had made a statement about no longer supporting that type of posting, so once I found the Wizard's quote, I applied my original ruling. "You think" incorrectly about the "many" suspensions on soxfan. He has had 2 previous bans, both a year and a half ago.
JyBrd has been a member over 5 years, had a ban over a year ago, and 2 bans over 3 years ago. However, in this case he broke a rule in posting only to attack other members, and to add insult to injury, misquoted GreasyJohn, turning the meaning of what GJ said into something completely opposite. I am giving him this one warning/ban to cease; there will be no Martingale for JyBrd on this if he continues once he returns.
You, yourself are trolling this thread with the way you are baiting both me and 1BB on this, in this and a couple previous related posts. Warning, AxelWolf.
I think you're overreacting to me, because others are always calling into question your decisions. It seems you're always on the defense especially from a few members. I said many times I think you do a fine job (for a girl :) << see that's a joke.
I'm not sure what you're thinking,saying that I'm baiting or trolling. I'm not even sure exactly what trolling is. I assumed it was: someone who is continually scanning threads with the intentions to post controversial , unpopular opinions that are mean spirited, just to piss people off for fun. For example: if there was a dog lovers forum and someone said, "I hate dogs so much, I kick them for kix."
that comment was made because I didn't see just as trolling, I seen something worst. JyBrd0403 comment was meant to shame people and call members and the forum heavily racists. Sorry for wondering why that's just a 3 dayer. As you can see I said something to that affect before you replied to my post.Quote: AxelWolf3 days for JyBrd0403 within 30 minutes for .....Trolling?
Quote: AxelWolfI'd consider it more than trolling.
I have seen people called out for trolling because they keep talking about the same thing. That seems more like flooding or something to me.
Baiting I assumed meant someone who is Intentionally trying to anger someone in order to provoke them to go off on you.
I had to go back and look at my posts in this thread to see where this was coming from, because it was not my intention and it's certainly an untrue stretch of the imagination. Perhaps I have made a few jokes but nothing to the extent of baiting or trolling.Quote: beachbumbabsyou are baiting both me and 1BB on this, in this and a couple previous related posts
There seemed to be some animosity between a few members and the administration here, concerning suspensions( You in particular) it's not just me that's noticed.
Quote: MidwestAP
The only thing I can come up with is that you wanted, once again, to make another thinly veiled attack on BBB. I'm not sure where the animosity originated.
If I see something I think is fair/unfair, hypocritical, biased/unbiased, interesting or amiss. Am I not allowed to point it out or give my opinion???
If anything I was trying to quell the situation by having everybody put their cards on the table. Especially after seeing this....
I assumed that more than just a random idea. I asked him straight up if he had someone in mind while he was coming up with that. How is that baiting or trolling asking someone to put their cards on the table?Quote: 1BBSince you opened the door, how about a few more?
Most biased to least biased.
Most helpful to least helpful.
Most likely to hold a grudge to least likely.
Feel free to add your own.
How about a poll type thread where the members can evaluate the administrators, say, once a year? How about holding elections where the members can vote for administrators? Potential candidates could run campaigns and tell us why they would make a good administrator.
Do away with secret administrators. In my opinion, they are not needed. We are all adults here. This is not high school or grade school.
If you're somehow implying I was trying to pit/bait you and 1BB against each other, looking at this post I have no clue why you would think that.
Quote: AxelWolfIt's possibility his pet peeve, let him have it. Everybody has something that annoys them.
Its to my understanding he is opposed to the suspension list because its a form of public shaming and childish. I get the feeling he has the attitude.... by god if we have to have it, make it fair and do it right.
I have a feeling he thinks there's a bias on the forum. Perhaps he wants everything to be 100% fair and everybody to be treated equal.
I think that's impossible considering all the mods and members involved. I can't imagine all the mods read every post and know the history of each member.
I believe there's different considerations when a suspension is due and each situation is different, that's life and it isn't always fair. This is just an internet forum so there's no need for it to be perfect since it has little effect on ones life.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm not even sure exactly what trolling is.
.
Sadly, nobody does. Most people think
it's talking about subjects they don't
like. I posted a math question last
week and because it's hard, I was
accused of trolling by several people.
So don't feel bad, being accused of
trolling is like being accused of nothing
at all.
Quote: beachbumbabsIt is possible that Kerkebet simply misunderstood what you wrote; if so, I expect an apology from him very soon. In the absence of one, I will assume he meant to misquote and thereby defame you, and will take action. I am providing some time for that to happen.
I let Gj know, whether he knew it or not, that he had equated or directly linked the two suspect words of the quote, "The n-word freely refer to people as 'bitch'." Like, eg, calling stupid calls the person also lazy. He went on then to note both words offensive in an attempt to argue or mediate some double standard of racism, the latter of which in my opinion, ought not be dignified at all except to say, "Enough already." It's not enough to not be racist, or to not perceive oneself as such. Don't "throw fuel on the fire". Certainly, I bore no intend to literally or semantically confuse the reader in said misquote. I am guilty of not second guessing myself about what I still hold to be the salient aspect of the text in question.
In the grand scheme of things, there is no matter or concern of racism. Einstein even remarked that a mouse has as much consciousness as a human, at least as far as it so counts. As much as electrons and protons, eg, aren't entirely inorganic, it would be quite difficult to make a case which sticks for them being sexual. Yet from such, sexuality appears in us. Conversely, we aren't entirely organic. Perhaps, the reason for the "oil and water" stuff we experience as racism. Which can't then be rationalized away.
It's like "falling to sleep" at night. You have to look the other way or think about something else, and allow for other forces to take hold. Not strange or unfamiliar forces, but of the focuses or habits developed throughout the day. Working around yourself, so to speak.
Beyond fostering good habits when you are most awake or best able to function over a period of time, sometimes a "sleeping pill" might still be indicated. The latter, the equivalent of simple moderation of the supposedly "offending" text, until the poster "catches on". Regarding the good habits, then encourage posters to keep it gambling related.
Personally, I take nothing off the table because the "theory of everything" must be one of those things. I had hoped to reflect on and come back on a couple of the threads from last week, but this incident caught me off guard. (I now understand how straightness "lets go" or roundness goes straight only when charge can no longer differentiate negative from positive - beyond the simplistic geometric impossibility of a circle that big or small - and that the "bootstrap" isn't the correct model for the "paradox but not" two-envelopes problem. I have thought of the missing or other related paradox or whatever to help flesh that out; and might by the end of the day or week be able to put it in an add-on there but with a bit more information.)
Quote: MrVCheckmate!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49k1EQdoMeU
Quote: KerkebetI let Gj know, whether he knew it or not, that he had equated or directly linked the two suspect words of the quote, "The n-word freely refer to people as 'bitch'." Like, eg, calling stupid calls the person also lazy. He went on then to note both words offensive in an attempt to argue or mediate some double standard of racism, the latter of which in my opinion, ought not be dignified at all except to say, "Enough already." It's not enough to not be racist, or to not perceive oneself as such. Don't "throw fuel on the fire". Certainly, I bore no intend to literally or semantically confuse the reader in said misquote. I am guilty of not second guessing myself about what I still hold to be the salient aspect of the text in question.
In the grand scheme of things, there is no matter or concern of racism. Einstein even remarked that a mouse has as much consciousness as a human, at least as far as it so counts. As much as electrons and protons, eg, aren't entirely inorganic, it would be quite difficult to make a case which sticks for them being sexual. Yet from such, sexuality appears in us. Conversely, we aren't entirely organic. Perhaps, the reason for the "oil and water" stuff we experience as racism. Which can't then be rationalized away.
It's like "falling to sleep" at night. You have to look the other way or think about something else, and allow for other forces to take hold. Not strange or unfamiliar forces, but of the focuses or habits developed throughout the day. Working around yourself, so to speak.
Beyond fostering good habits when you are most awake or best able to function over a period of time, sometimes a "sleeping pill" might still be indicated. The latter, the equivalent of simple moderation of the supposedly "offending" text, until the poster "catches on". Regarding the good habits, then encourage posters to keep it gambling related.
Personally, I take nothing off the table because the "theory of everything" must be one of those things. I had hoped to reflect on and come back on a couple of the threads from last week, but this incident caught me off guard. (I now understand how straightness "lets go" or roundness goes straight only when charge can no longer differentiate negative from positive - beyond the simplistic geometric impossibility of a circle that big or small - and that the "bootstrap" isn't the correct model for the "paradox but not" two-envelopes problem. I have thought of the missing or other related paradox or whatever to help flesh that out; and might by the end of the day or week be able to put it in an add-on there but with a bit more information.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49k1EQdoMeU
Kerkebet,
The line that I said in my post, and the line that you changed it into are two completely different ideas. You had no right to misquote me and then make negative assumptions about me because of changes YOU made. You can't just take two words out of a sentence, and out of context, and deduce the subliminal interpretations and motivations of someone else.
(For those that don't know, I started a post in the "Is it not time for it not to be okay?" thread by saying, "Many blacks that say they are offended by the n-word freely refer to people as "bitch." Kerkebet rewrote my sentence to read, "The n-word freely refer to people as "bitch.")
And now instead of acknowledging your transgression you write at length about your philosophy on life.
You use not my quote, but your misquote in the first sentence of your rebuttal above, and then you imply that because two words "n-word" and "bitch" are in the same sentence that any negative usage and utterance by me in any context is likely.
Your defense is laughable, and your actions libelous.
Quote: AxelWolfI was razing 1BB. It had nothing to do with you, other than you just happen to be the person doing the banning. I would've made that joke no matter who suspended JyBrd.
I think you're overreacting to me, because others are always calling into question your decisions. It seems you're always on the defense especially from a few members. I said many times I think you do a fine job (for a girl :) << see that's a joke.
I'm not sure what you're thinking,saying that I'm baiting or trolling. I'm not even sure exactly what trolling is. I assumed it was: someone who is continually scanning threads with the intentions to post controversial , unpopular opinions that are mean spirited, just to piss people off for fun. For example: if there was a dog lovers forum and someone said, "I hate dogs so much, I kick them for kix."
that comment was made because I didn't see just as trolling, I seen something worst. JyBrd0403 comment was meant to shame people and call members and the forum heavily racists. Sorry for wondering why that's just a 3 dayer. As you can see I said something to that affect before you replied to my post.
I have seen people called out for trolling because they keep talking about the same thing. That seems more like flooding or something to me.
Baiting I assumed meant someone who is Intentionally trying to anger someone in order to provoke them to go off on you.
I had to go back and look at my posts in this thread to see where this was coming from, because it was not my intention and it's certainly an untrue stretch of the imagination. Perhaps I have made a few jokes but nothing to the extent of baiting or trolling.
There seemed to be some animosity between a few members and the administration here, concerning suspensions( You in particular) it's not just me that's noticed.
Quote: MidwestAP
The only thing I can come up with is that you wanted, once again, to make another thinly veiled attack on BBB. I'm not sure where the animosity originated.
If I see something I think is fair/unfair, hypocritical, biased/unbiased, interesting or amiss. Am I not allowed to point it out or give my opinion???
If anything I was trying to quell the situation by having everybody put their cards on the table. Especially after seeing this....
I assumed that more than just a random idea. I asked him straight up if he had someone in mind while he was coming up with that. How is that baiting or trolling asking someone to put their cards on the table?
If you're somehow implying I was trying to pit/bait you and 1BB against each other, looking at this post I have no clue why you would think that.
AxelWolf,
I agree; I overreacted to what you posted. I know you better than that, and assumed you were giving me crap as a friend, but for me it hit me wrong, in the wrong place and wrong time based on the larger discussion here. I apologize.
Quote: thecesspitI would have assumed you'd give JyByrd 2.9999... (recurring) days of a ban.
This gets my vote as best post of the month. Thanks for the laugh, cess.
Quote: KerkebetI let Gj know, whether he knew it or not, that he had equated or directly linked the two suspect words of the quote, "The n-word freely refer to people as 'bitch'." Like, eg, calling stupid calls the person also lazy. He went on then to note both words offensive in an attempt to argue or mediate some double standard of racism, the latter of which in my opinion, ought not be dignified at all except to say, "Enough already." It's not enough to not be racist, or to not perceive oneself as such. Don't "throw fuel on the fire". Certainly, I bore no intend to literally or semantically confuse the reader in said misquote. I am guilty of not second guessing myself about what I still hold to be the salient aspect of the text in question.
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IMO, there is still a difference of opinion in what GJ said between GJ and Kerk, but I think it is a failure more of the method of communication (writing being approximately 14% effective compared to in-person conversation) than either party. GJ has made it very clear what he said/meant by what he said; Kerk has stated he had no malicious intent to misquote GJ in pointing out the semantics he read into GJ's statement he quoted.
I think this is as settled as it's likely to get, and am willing to move on from this aspect of the situation. I would appreciate both parties' effort to do the same.
Quote: beachbumbabsIMO, there is still a difference of opinion in what GJ said between GJ and Kerk, but I think it is a failure more of the method of communication (writing being approximately 14% effective compared to in-person conversation) than either party. GJ has made it very clear what he said/meant by what he said; Kerk has stated he had no malicious intent to misquote GJ in pointing out the semantics he read into GJ's statement he quoted.
I think this is as settled as it's likely to get, and am willing to move on from this aspect of the situation. I would appreciate both parties' effort to do the same.
BBB,
I don't know if you read what I had to say about Kerkebet's rebuttal that you've partially quoted. His misquoting me created an entirely different meaning to my message, and it was deliberate, offensive and libelous. If you did read what I said and still feel it's best to move on I'll agree to do so. I've made my feelings known.
Quote: GreasyjohnBBB,
I don't know if you read what I had to say about Kerkebet's rebuttal that you've partially quoted. His misquoting me created an entirely different meaning to my message, and it was deliberate, offensive and libelous. If you did read what I said and still feel it's best to move on I'll agree to do so. I've made my feelings known.
I did see it, GJ; that's why I contend both that you have made your true feelings abundantly clear (here and in several other posts across at least 3 threads), and he is not going to change his semantic interpretation of what he thinks you said. I certainly don't expect you to agree you were correctly represented.
I also see where he says he's guilty of not double-checking his own understanding of what he read. And I do not think he would have misunderstood you had you two had the conversation face-to-face, which is why I think the real problem is in the transmission/reception, not the intent on either party's part.
I appreciate you offering to move on, and if you are willing to do so, I think it's the best course of action.
and "your actions libelous."
That's twice you've said he's libeled you.
I see no libel.
Move on, nothing to see here.
Quote: MrV"it was deliberate, offensive and libelous. . . I've made my feelings known."
and "your actions libelous."
That's twice you've said he's libeled you.
I see no libel.
Move on, nothing to see here.
Libel: A published false statement that is damaging to a persons reputation.
I think what happened meets the definition.
If you or anyone else feels differently, I'm not interested in debating the issue. No offense.
You are on an anonymous message board.
He owes an apology, certainly.
Thanks It's absolutely all good, I respect the apology. I have had to do it myself more than once.Quote: beachbumbabsAxelWolf,
I agree; I overreacted to what you posted. I know you better than that, and assumed you were giving me crap as a friend, but for me it hit me wrong, in the wrong place and wrong time based on the larger discussion here. I apologize.
I have no doubt all this racial talk is a moderators nightmare and a stressful situation.
I can understand how you might have thought I was adding fuel to a fire with all the BS going on.
It's obvious you're only trying to do a good job as a UNPAID moderator and you take the job seriously. As the only female moderator on a predominately all male forum, you seem to catch a ton of heat and every decision gets heavily scrutinized. It Seems like a no win situation and a thankless job.
Quote: EvenBobSadly, nobody does. Most people think
it's talking about subjects they don't
like. I posted a math question last
week and because it's hard, I was
accused of trolling by several people.
So don't feel bad, being accused of
trolling is like being accused of nothing
at all.
Online/internet Trolling- "make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them."
Basically if you post something with the intention of offending or not even offending but causing a negative social response it can be considered trolling.
I have issue with that definition because by that logic many posts are trolling. For example people who post on the betting system section and say "betting systems are foolish" can be considered trolling since they know it will surely evoke a negative response.
Likewise people who post on the religious section and say "God Believers are idiots" can be considered trolls.
However, both of these instances of trolling are in my mind acceptable because you are making people emotional and forcing them to think about their beliefs not to mention you are stating reality.
Posting burning Korans on Facebook can be considered trolling, but it forces people to think about foolish beliefs.
Posting gun statistics can be considered trolling, because you know it will upset anti-gun people.
Sometimes "trolling" is a great way to wake people up. Usually the people who get offended by trolling are those with irrational beliefs.
However, likewise, trolling can be horrible, for example harassing people online by spamming inappropriate pictures of them etc... Or falsely accusing people of being KKK members racist, etc... This is "negative trolling".
When people on message boards say "we ban people for trolling" are usually referring to this. Because otherwise they would have to ban the majority of their board.
On this site there are many posts (perhaps the majority) that can be considered trolling, but the fact that they are "troll posts" are good because it effectively makes a point.
Greasyjohn, I can see that you were highly insulted and I'm certainly not going to tell you to suck it up and get over it. Can you look at the big picture and see JyBrd's passion in his loathing of racism. Can you consider that the intent wasn't there and that he may have inadvertently jumped the gun when he insulted you? I can tell you from experience that it's no fun to be the recipient of insults, especially when they continue unchecked. I don't think JyBrd's punishment should match or exceed that of the person who made the vile, hateful, racist comments that we should really be talking about. Do you? These comments were just as bad as the previous guy's were, minus the sock full of rocks.
I'd like to thank all who offered me support and encouragement over the past weekend. I had no idea that so many shared my views. Many felt that I was being unfairly targeted for expressing my thoughts here. Some said I was being trolled or baited, others said I was treated harshly. It's okay. What's fair is fair. I realize that some will fiercely defend this site no matter what just as JyBrd has stood up to racism. As always, you've got to pick your battles.
Quote: 1BBThank you, JyBrd, for standing up to racism. Obviously you abhor it as much as I do and as much as every decent human being should. In your frustration you made a mistake and that has taken the focus away from the real offense here. You may have gone off half cocked and that tells me that the intent wasn't there to insult anyone and that it was exacerbated by a third person. Now it seems that you could be facing as much or more punishment than the person who posted the racist comments. Whatever you do, don't apologize for standing up to racism.
Greasyjohn, I can see that you were highly insulted and I'm certainly not going to tell you to suck it up and get over it. Can you look at the big picture and see JyBrd's passion in his loathing of racism. Can you consider that the intent wasn't there and that he may have inadvertently jumped the gun when he insulted you? I can tell you from experience that it's no fun to be the recipient of insults, especially when they continue unchecked. I don't think JyBrd's punishment should match or exceed that of the person who made the vile, hateful, racist comments that we should really be talking about. Do you? These comments were just as bad as the previous guy's were, minus the sock full of rocks.
I'd like to thank all who offered me support and encouragement over the past weekend. I had no idea that so many shared my views. Many felt that I was being unfairly targeted for expressing my thoughts here. Some said I was being trolled or baited, others said I was treated harshly. It's okay. What's fair is fair. I realize that some will fiercely defend this site no matter what just as JyBrd has stood up to racism. As always, you've got to pick your battles.
If he wanted to stand up to racism he should have made a general thread stating his views. Instead he made a thread targeting a handful of individuals and accusing them of being a member of a terror and extremist organization. And, using selected snippets of quotes to back up his views.... I'm not sure how this can be defended.
Quote: GandlerIf he wanted to stand up to racism he should have made a general thread stating his views. Instead he made a thread targeting a handful of individuals and accusing them of being a member of a terror and extremist organization. And, using selected snippets of quotes to back up his views.... I'm not sure how this can be defended.
I don't disagree, Gandler. I wasn't defending him, merely offering an alternative explanation. He was obviously upset about yet more racism on this site. I'm not making excuses and I could be way off on this. If so, I will eat crow at the appropriate time. I was also trying to point out, without making light of the insult, how quickly things have shifted away from the bigger problem.
Quote: WizardLet me say that I take misquotation seriously. However, I also like to listen to both sides. When JyBrd gets back I will be expecting an explanation and/or apology for the misquotation in question. Depending on the response, appropriate action will be taken, with time already served duly noted.
JyBrd used the misquotation which was wrong, but he's not the one who originally did the misquoting. What about the person that actually made the misquote and set the whole problem in motion?
Quote: GreasyjohnJyBrd used the misquotation which was wrong, but he's not the one who originally did the misquoting. What about the person that actually made the misquote and set the whole problem in motion?
Absolutely and let me say again that I'm not making light of any of this.
Quote: 1BBThank you, JyBrd, for standing up to racism. Obviously you abhor it as much as I do and as much as every decent human being should. In your frustration you made a mistake and that has taken the focus away from the real offense here. You may have gone off half cocked and that tells me that the intent wasn't there to insult anyone and that it was exacerbated by a third person. Now it seems that you could be facing as much or more punishment than the person who posted the racist comments. Whatever you do, don't apologize for standing up to racism.
Greasyjohn, I can see that you were highly insulted and I'm certainly not going to tell you to suck it up and get over it. Can you look at the big picture and see JyBrd's passion in his loathing of racism. Can you consider that the intent wasn't there and that he may have inadvertently jumped the gun when he insulted you? I can tell you from experience that it's no fun to be the recipient of insults, especially when they continue unchecked. I don't think JyBrd's punishment should match or exceed that of the person who made the vile, hateful, racist comments that we should really be talking about. Do you? These comments were just as bad as the previous guy's were, minus the sock full of rocks.
I'd like to thank all who offered me support and encouragement over the past weekend. I had no idea that so many shared my views. Many felt that I was being unfairly targeted for expressing my thoughts here. Some said I was being trolled or baited, others said I was treated harshly. It's okay. What's fair is fair. I realize that some will fiercely defend this site no matter what just as JyBrd has stood up to racism. As always, you've got to pick your battles.
1BB,
Yes, I can see the bigger picture, but where did JyBrd come off with saying that I tried to change my post? His actions were reckless, and if done ITRW could have been dangerous. In a sense, he's no better than the racists he abhors. The vast, vast majority of people that on the surface appear to be racist only really find fault with a group or culture in general.
I don't want to open up a can of worms, but say that someone is tired of the high rates of crime in black neighborhoods, doesn't like the direction of black culture in the past 25+ years with its heavy influence on the negative aspects of rap culture, is tired of the government spending to rebuild black neighborhoods ravaged with crime, neglect and rioting, tired of the Sharptons and the Jacksons that seem to find white racism at the heart of almost all white/black conformations.
If a white person who is impatient with these things I've mentioned, and through his frustration says something crude and thoughtless, is it much different than what JyBrd did?
Quote: Greasyjohnis tired of the government spending to rebuild black neighborhoods ravaged with crime, neglect and rioting
From a city planning perspective, this is usually seen as the least cost move. Those neighborhoods are usually close to the city's center and it's cheaper to re-build the inner ring than it is to add infrastructure to support additional sprawl.
Quote: GreasyjohnJyBrd used the misquotation which was wrong, but he's not the one who originally did the misquoting. What about the person that actually made the misquote and set the whole problem in motion?
If you're going to be JyBrd's defense council, can you give me an link to the original quote and misquote?
Quote: WizardIf you're going to be JyBrd's defense council, can you give me an link to the original quote and misquote?
Quote: GreasyjohnMany blacks that say thery are offended by the n-word freely refer to people as "bitch". The terms are equally offensive and it's a double standard. And the main reason, in my opinion, that many blacks say they don't like the use of the n-word is because they like the fact that not wanting it used pertains to whites while they can still use it.
Then Kerkebet reposted my quote but left out the first eight words, so it read:
Quote: GreasyjohnThe n-word freely refer to people as "bitch". The terms are equally offensive and it's a double standard. And the main reason, in my opinion, that many blacks say they don't like the use of the n-word is because they like the fact that not wanting it used pertains to whites while they can still use it.
This can be seen directly on the "Is it time for it not to be okay?" thread on the first page.
Quote: WizardIf you're going to be JyBrd's defense council, can you give me an link to the original quote and misquote?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/21589-is-it-time-for-it-not-to-be-okay/#post446248
You will see Kerkebet's misquoting me directly below my post I've given you a link to.
(Sorry for sending this twice, but I wasn't sure how to send a link to a post.)
Quote: Greasyjohnhttps://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/21589-is-it-time-for-it-not-to-be-okay/#post446248
You will see Kerkebet's misquoting me directly below my post I've given you a link to.
Thank you. As you noted two posts above, K chopped off the first eight words of your post. I might add he capitalized the T in "the" instead of using dots, which would have correctly implied some context came before.
Okay, at this point I'd like to give K a chance to say a word in his own defense before sentencing.
Quote: WizardThank you. As you noted two posts above, K chopped off the first eight words of your post. I might add he capitalized the T in "the" instead of using dots, which would have correctly implied some context came before.
Okay, at this point I'd like to give K a chance to say a word in his own defense before sentencing.
He already did.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/566/#post446517
Quote: EvenBob... I posted a math question last
week and because it's hard, I was
accused of trolling by several people.
No you didn't. No it wasn't. Yes you were.
Quote: GreasyjohnHe already did.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/566/#post446517
LOL @ Kerkebet/garnabby jones. Looks like Greasyjohn is not going to let things slide.
On another note the hey hey soxfan got banned. What???? Haven't been around for a good while. Looks like there is some catching up to do on my part. UPDATE: Okay. He doesn't like folks with a year long tan and openly stated his opinion. He could of posted better youtube links to support his view. The Foxwoods brawl would fit things nicely compared to the two he used.
Quote: MrVYou've no damages, even if it were libelous.
You are on an anonymous message board.
He owes an apology, certainly.
He owes me one, but he doesn't think so.
Being able to recover damages isn't a prerequisite to a statement being libelous (I don't think).
And even though this is a message board, in my opinion, that's to a large degree irrelevant. Whether I'm using a nickname or handle, I'm still me. If I used my real name would it then be libel?
Hundreds of people can read the quote, supposedly by me, where the message was completely changed by someone else and not know it. These readers would then have a negative opinion of me because of the machinations of the person that misquoted me.
Quote: DMSCRLOL @ Kerkebet/garnabby jones. Looks like Greasyjohn is not going to let things slide.
On another note the hey hey soxfan got banned. What???? Haven't been around for a good while. Looks like there is some catching up to do on my part. UPDATE: Okay. He doesn't like folks with a year long tan and openly stated his opinion. He could of posted better youtube links to support his view. The Foxwoods brawl would fit things nicely compared to the two he used.
Welcome back, I was hoping you would chime in one the last banning. I couldn't figure out who they were and I knew you would know. You have a keen sense for that.
eta, it wasn't a banning that I wanted you to solve. It was a new member that was causing a bunch of problems. never ended up banned.
If garnabby is banned because of his previous ban then that would make sense. If he is banned because of this minor whatever even though there is a devious intent then I think that would be kind of silly. Hey I am not the board owner so if the powers that be wanna lay the axe be my guest. My bank account is still the same. LOL.
Quote: GreasyjohnAnd even though this is a message board, in my opinion, that's to a large degree irrelevant. Whether I'm using a nickname or handle, I'm still me. If I used my real name would it then be libel?
Your hypothetical claim for libel would certainly be stronger if your actual name was known to the public.
The libel must damage "your" reputation.
Typically damages are proven by showing people no longer patronize your business due to the libel, or they avoid / shun you because of it.
The cases I've seen seem to involve an anonymous poster on a message board libeling someone whose actual name is known and identified.
All you have is a handle; that isn't really "you."
How would you prove damage to "your" reputation, if your actual name was not known?
But I confess I've not researched this issue: there could be some similar cases out there, but at this point I think the claim must fail due to inability to prove damage to "your" actual reputation because of the defamatory statement.
Were you to file a lawsuit as "Greasyjohn," and if by some miracle win a judgment, how would you cash a check made payable to "Greasyjohn?"
Were I the guy that made the statement I'd apologize and withdraw from the board: who needs to fear getting sued?
Quote: MrVYour hypothetical claim for libel would certainly be stronger if your actual name was known to the public.
The libel must damage "your" reputation.
Typically damages are proven by showing people no longer patronize your business due to the libel, or they avoid / shun you because of it.
The cases I've seen seem to involve an anonymous poster on a message board libeling someone whose actual name is known and identified.
All you have is a handle; that isn't really "you."
How would you prove damage to "your" reputation, if your actual name was not known?
But I confess I've not researched this issue: there could be some similar cases out there, but at this point I think the claim must fail due to inability to prove damage to "your" actual reputation because of the defamatory statement.
Were you to file a lawsuit as "Greasyjohn," and if by some miracle win a judgment, how would you cash a check made payable to "Greasyjohn?"
Were I the guy that made the statement I'd apologize and withdraw from the board: who needs to fear getting sued?
I said I was libeled only in that negative statements that I did not make were attributed to me. I'm not going to sue anybody.
But if the check was big enough I'd legally change my name to Greasyjohn. j/k
(And for all of you that think my "real" first name is John, it isn't.)
As a reminder, when quoting part of a sentence, please use the ... notation to make it clear that you're quoting mid-sentence.
Quote: WizardAfter much discussion, the mods have collectively decided to give Kerkebet three days for misquoting GreasyJohn.
As a reminder, when quoting part of a sentence, please use the ... notation to make it clear that you're quoting mid-sentence.
YAAAAY!!!! garnabby still gets to stick around. Talk about dodging that bullet.
Quote: MrVI prefer to parse/edit quoted material both in the interest of brevity and to focus context.
As do I. But it doesn't seem unreasonable to use ellipses or otherwise acknowledge it's an excerpt. I kind of like where folks use <snip> sometimes.
Quote: Greasyjohn..........when you first answer mine. ...........not being sequential.
I hope I don't get banned for this! Hope I am doing this correctly.
Once I get the go ahead Greasyjohn your questions of the universe will be answered in a timely manner.
Hmmm.... there it goes.
Hmmmm after some catching up, Feb/Mar were very quiet and tranquil months. Not many got to put on cold storage to sit things out. Then April comes along then bammmm! The bannings start come raining down again. As usual egalite who is now juano/ManofBac shows up on his usual rants and this time at BBB. More drawdowns and tilts at the baccarat tables for the labby strings binary table idiot savant again I see.
Quote: WizardAfter much discussion, the mods have collectively decided to give Kerkebet three days for misquoting GreasyJohn.
As a reminder, when quoting part of a sentence, please use the ... notation to make it clear that you're quoting mid-sentence.
I think there is an important distinction that should be made: People should not be allowed to quote others starting mid-sentence, or mid-thought, or change punctuation, and espically when by doing so they completely change the message, ellipsis or not.
For example, suppose someone was writing an article about a philosopher who was thought, by some, to be anti-Semitic, and the philosopher said, "Einstein and other great thinkers have made great contributions to the sciences. I compliment them. So there, you can't quote me as saying 'I hate Jews! The world doesn't need these people.'..."
Then someone misquotes the philosopher by starting off mid-sentence and writes: This philosopher said, "...I hate Jews! The world doesn't need these people..."
This is effectively what happened to me, and it is wrong and indefensible.
Quote: DMSCR...when you first answer mine. ...not being sequential.
Hmmm.... there it goes.
Hmmmm after some catching up, Feb/Mar were very quiet and tranquil months. Not many got to put on cold storage to sit things out. Then April comes along then bammmm! The bannings start come raining down again. As usual egalite who is now juano/ManofBac shows up on his usual rants and this time at BBB. More drawdowns and tilts at the baccarat tables for the labby strings binary table savant again I see.
I hope your occupation isn't writing auto repair manuals.
Quote: RaleighCrapsAlmost right. I believe the correct usage is only 3 periods?
...when you first answer mine
Not sure how you handle the skipped text in the middle though. Is it 3 after and 3 before the next text, so 6 in a row?
You'll have to make your best guess, then leap.
What does it matter to you?Quote: DMSCRThe garn/Kerkebet probably doesn't even know he is banned given the short sentence.
You mention you've been away for a while, on your reappearance you are blowing members up left right and centre, the count now is about +4, what gives? Frustrated? Do you covert a role here, or maybe just cultural thing?
Quote: tomlaWhat does it matter to you?
You mention you've been away for a while, on your reappearance you are blowing members up left right and centre, the count now is about +4, what gives? Frustrated? Do you covert a role here, or maybe just cultural thing?
And for that I blame you. I guess soxfan doesn't want to play with you anymore. Or is it that egalite banned you from his site once again and you are finding other channels to express your anger? LOL. Okay you are more than welcome to pick on me. Not to forget what you did with making up all those Egalite IDs back in the days of BF. That was ingenius! And yet I got blamed for that too. I feel like Kenny of South Park. The ball/piano always end up dropping on yours truly.
As for the garn he had it coming and why does that matter to you? Also the other folks being banned has nothing to do with me. Your buddy soxfan shot himself then set himself on fire while drinking a whole gallon of bleach. Your other buddy egalite is not welcome in here and as usual coming back under an umpteenth nick to rant to relieve himself from another soul crushing baccarat drawdown. As for others they are spammers it seems.
Me popping up again was purely all coincidence. No I was not lurking behind the scenes as you most probably think. All that Kerkebet/soxfan nonsense is going to take place if I show up or not. I am taking a three day break from the Strip and my local casino because I am killing some time and protecting the profits/keeping my psychology in check from being over confident where things can blow up in my face and erase three weeks of hard work.
Plus since your appearance in here you have been directing yourself towards EvenBob/Spike. That needs to stop. Only Klingon Jamaican half breeds like myself are allowed to do that. You don't get that right and privilege because of your alignment with that racist soxfan.
Cultural thing? Why does everything have to be all ethnic? We Indian folks are not as vindictive like a white guy like you.
