Is It Time For It Not To Be Okay?
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We've all heard the arguments for one group of people being able to use this word and another not being able to--is it time to work at putting ALL use of this word off-limits? No laws, no rules, just not acceptable...
Quote: RonCWe've all heard the arguments for one group of people being able to use this word and another not being able to--is it time to work at putting ALL use of this word off-limits? No laws, no rules, just not acceptable...
Yes, that seems like it would be a small but good step in the right direction. I'm not sure a good "double-standard" exists. But I am also in favor of cutting Andrew Harrison a break.
The old saying "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" comes to mind. I think police and fire departments should be fully racially integrated with qualified applicants. AND if someone thinks being a police officer is so easy, shouldn't they be willing to apply and try before they make a career of second-guessing ?
Quote: RonCNo laws, no rules, just not acceptable...
The problem involves written/spoken language, itself. When you don't have to insult a person in one way to insult in a hundred different "unwritten" ways.
The truth or lack of in something just "rings loud and clear" with things such as music, proofs without words, carpentry, humor; and perhaps the "shorthand" of a few words which might directly accompany. The harmony of the "all" which Einstein experienced as religion. Aristotle's "doing one thing well does everything well". It won't work if you're not experiencing and then expressing something arduously but simply genuine in the first place. Wrong musical notes are just wrong, without a lot of introspection or searching.
The problem lay elsewhere. Language is forever trying to right itself. It is cheap by all forms. The stuff of lawyers, politicians, and dare I say... .
Quote: RonCAfter what I am sure was a frustrating end to the chance for a perfect season, Andrew Harrison used "The Word" when saying something about a Wisconsin player. He thought he covered his mouth enough that the microphones would not pick it up, but it did get picked up and reported.
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/04/05/kentucky-reviewing-postgame-comments-made-by-andrew-harrison/
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12621890/kentucky-wildcats-reviewing-andrew-harrison-postgame-comments
We've all heard the arguments for one group of people being able to use this word and another not being able to--is it time to work at putting ALL use of this word off-limits? No laws, no rules, just not acceptable...
Many blacks that say they are offended by the n-word freely refer to people as "bitch". The terms are equally offensive and it's a double standard. And the main reason, in my opinion, that many blacks say they don't like the use of the n-word is because they like the fact that not wanting it used pertains to whites while they can still use it.
Quote: GreasyjohnThe n-word freely refer to people as "bitch". The terms are equally offensive and it's a double standard. And the main reason, in my opinion, that many blacks say they don't like the use of the n-word is because they like the fact that not wanting it used pertains to whites while they can still use it.
Enough already.
Quote: KerkebetEnough already.
Two sentences, and you make a statement like I've gone on and on. No rebuttal, you've just heard "enough already". Okay.
It isn't the word; it is the lack of respect for everyone. People that have respect--not fake "props" respect--don't need to use these kind of words to speak.
Don't be dogging on the word bitch. It's a versatile word with many different meanings, even positive at times.Quote: GreasyjohnMany blacks that say they are offended by the n-word freely refer to people as "bitch". The terms are equally offensive and it's a double standard. And the main reason, in my opinion, that many blacks say they don't like the use of the n-word is because they like the fact that not wanting it used pertains to whites while they can still use it.
Examples
It's a totally bitchin' word.
Don't be a little bitch.
He/shes my bitch.
Lifes a bitch.
Man, Thats a bitch!
perfect bitches.
What's up bitches? (used as a greeting)
I love all you bitches
I love that bitch
sonofabitch that's awesome
girls refer to their best friends as their bitches.
Some women to wear its badge of honor "She one bad ass bitch"
Quote: AxelWolfDon't be dogging on the word bitch. It's a versatile word with many different meanings, even positive at times.
Examples
It's a totally bitchin' word.
Don't be a little bitch.
He/shes my bitch.
Lifes a bitch.
Man, Thats a bitch!
perfect bitches.
What's up bitches? (used as a greeting)
I love all you bitches
I love that bitch
sonofabitch that's awesome
girls refer to their best friends as their bitches.
Some women to wear its badge of honor "She one bad ass bitch"
I was referring to its usage as in, "What are you going to do about it, bitch?" Fighting, provoking words.
Don't get all bitchy :)Quote: GreasyjohnI was referring to its usage as in, "What are you going to do about it, bitch?" Fighting, provoking words.
Quote: JohnnyQAND if someone thinks being a police officer is so easy, shouldn't they be willing to apply and try before they make a career of second-guessing ?
Surely, you can't be saying that we are not supposed to critique police officers unless we are willing to be police officers ourselves? And every occupation is fair game for second guessing - politicians, nuclear plant operators, movie actors, doctors and surgeons, etc. There is no way that police officers should expect some mystical immunity from criticism. Frankly, I think there are a small percentage of policemen who are cowardly bullies. There is no reason why I shouldn't feel free to say so.
Quote: gordonm888Surely, you can't be saying that we are not supposed to critique police officers unless we are willing to be police officers ourselves? And every occupation is fair game for second guessing - politicians, nuclear plant operators, movie actors, doctors and surgeons, etc.
No, I am saying that trying to understand how difficult their job is should be taken into account.
Quote:There is no way that police officers should expect some mystical immunity from criticism. Frankly, I think there are a small percentage of policemen who are cowardly bullies.
I'm sure there are. A small percentage. Which means a large percentage is not.
Quote:There is no reason why I shouldn't feel free to say so.
Agreed. Rioting and burning the city, not so much.
I also said, as far as "that" word being unacceptable across the board:
(Because he's a kid, because he didn't have any hateful intent, because in his culture the word is probably used more commonly and not in a hateful way - - but I don't know exactly how he meant it. We'd have to ask him. Or the University of Kentucky would have to ask him).Quote: JohnnyQYes, that seems like it would be a small but good step in the right direction. I'm not sure a good "double-standard" exists. But I am also in favor of cutting Andrew Harrison a break.
Quote: KeyserInner city language has regressed to the point that most of them can only communicate using broken phrases and primitive hand gestures.
I used to get guys in the back of my
cab and they talked in broken profane
statements and grunts. I guess they
knew what was being said, but I'm
betting half the time they didn't. Talking
takes energy, why expend it if you don't
have to. A grunt will suffice.
Quote: RonCAfter what I am sure was a frustrating end to the chance for a perfect season, Andrew Harrison used "The Word" when saying something about a Wisconsin player. He thought he covered his mouth enough that the microphones would not pick it up, but it did get picked up and reported.
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/04/05/kentucky-reviewing-postgame-comments-made-by-andrew-harrison/
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12621890/kentucky-wildcats-reviewing-andrew-harrison-postgame-comments
We've all heard the arguments for one group of people being able to use this word and another not being able to--is it time to work at putting ALL use of this word off-limits? No laws, no rules, just not acceptable...
I wonder if that "word" was used during the Resorts World brawl?
ON WISCONSIN!
Quote: KerkebetEnough already.
I just noticed something odd. You misquoted me. My first line said, "Many blacks that say they are offended by the n-word freely refer to people as "bitch." When you misquoted me you started your quote by eliminating the first eight words. So my quote looks like, "The n-word freely refer to people as "bitch." In other words, you're misquoting me as saying, "The nigg**s freely refer to people as "bitch."
I noticed when you first misquoted me that you omitted the first part of the sentence, but I didn't notice how this totally changes my meaning. How can you explain your misquoting me like this? If you did it maliciously your misquoting of me can easily be proven wrong because my original quote is there. And you didn't just omit the first eight words, you started your quote by capitalizing the word "The" which was not capitalized in my quote because it was mid-sentence. How can you justify this as a mistake?
Quote: GreasyjohnMany blacks that say they are offended by the n-word freely refer to people as "bitch". The terms are equally offensive and it's a double standard. And the main reason, in my opinion, that many blacks say they don't like the use of the n-word is because they like the fact that not wanting it used pertains to whites while they can still use it.
This is my original quote that Kerkebet misquoted.
Quote: RonCAfter what I am sure was a frustrating end to the chance for a perfect season, Andrew Harrison used "The Word" when saying something about a Wisconsin player. He thought he covered his mouth enough that the microphones would not pick it up, but it did get picked up and reported.
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/04/05/kentucky-reviewing-postgame-comments-made-by-andrew-harrison/
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12621890/kentucky-wildcats-reviewing-andrew-harrison-postgame-comments
We've all heard the arguments for one group of people being able to use this word and another not being able to--is it time to work at putting ALL use of this word off-limits? No laws, no rules, just not acceptable...
People should be 100% free to make racist comments and slurs. Its free speech.
That being said a private institution (sports league) has a right to set their own rules and punishments to players and employees.
But "putting all use of this word off-limits" is absurd, and totally non enforceable.
Though I do understand what you mean by double standard. Where I am currently working we have a few African-Americans who use that word in almost every sentence, and nobody stops them or says anything. Likewise once a Hispanic man used, it once in passing, and once a white man used it, once in passing (neither person directed it at anyone).
Who do you think got in trouble: The black men who used it (and still continue to) in almost every sentence, or the white man and the Hispanic man who have used it once accidentally?
(Hint: Its not the black men).
Quote: GandlerPeople should be 100% free to make racist comments and slurs. Its free speech.
That being said a private institution (sports league) has a right to set their own rules and punishments to players and employees.
But "putting all use of this word off-limits" is absurd, and totally non enforceable.
Though I do understand what you mean by double standard. Where I am currently working we have a few African-Americans who use that word in almost every sentence, and nobody stops them or says anything. Likewise once a Hispanic man used, it once in passing, and once a white man used it, once in passing (neither person directed it at anyone).
Who do you think got in trouble: The black men who used it (and still continue to) in almost every sentence, or the white man and the Hispanic man who have used it once accidentally?
(Hint: Its not the black men).
I didn't say anything about restricting free speech. I said that there should not be laws passed. I only said that I think it should be stopped by making use of the word unacceptable. Granted, I don't know how that is done and I also know it will never go away completely but if the word were less accepted in any form of use, it would be a better thing.
Quote: Gabes22I am of the mind that no speech should be restricted.
Some should.
For example, speech which threatens to harm another is deemed criminal, as would be yelling "FIRE!" in a packed movie theater.
As with many things: where do you draw the line?
He also said it to a Wisconsin player. Anything said about the state of Wisconsin should be considered fair game and too kind IMO. Is Wisconsin a state or just a territory where alcoholics are sent off to? And Bo Ryan seriously looks like a serial killer.
Quote: GandlerThough I do understand what you mean by double standard. Where I am currently working we have a few African-Americans who use that word in almost every sentence, and nobody stops them or says anything. Likewise once a Hispanic man used, it once in passing, and once a white man used it, once in passing (neither person directed it at anyone).
Who do you think got in trouble: The black men who used it (and still continue to) in almost every sentence, or the white man and the Hispanic man who have used it once accidentally?
(Hint: Its not the black men).
Words can be offensive in one context and not in another.
A perfect example is when you hear a voice you don't recognize saying something really inappropriate behind your back or someone gives you shove from behind, you turn around and see it's a good buddy.
Does that mean that you can now accept that sentence or words from strangers in the same way? Does that mean you now belong to a racial, ethnic, or gender group, because they feel like they can use that word amongst themselves as they are all on equal footing whether its race culture, ethnicity or whatever.
B9 (a previous poster) once argued that "pig" must be acceptable to police because he found a police organization that purposely used it in their organization.
Try it out on the street to a cop and see how it goes over.
Quote: rxwineWords can be offensive in one context and not in another.
A perfect example is when you hear a voice you don't recognize saying something really inappropriate behind your back or someone gives you shove from behind, you turn around and see it's a good buddy.
Does that mean that you can now accept that sentence or words from strangers in the same way? Does that mean you now belong to a racial, ethnic, or gender group, because they feel like they can use that word amongst themselves as they are all on equal footing whether its race culture, ethnicity or whatever.
B9 (a previous poster) once argued that "pig" must be acceptable to police because he found a police organization that purposely used it in their organization.
Try it out on the street to a cop and see how it goes over.
True. But, if I call myself and my friends "cracker" or some similar slur in every reference to each other and then report somebody else for jokingly saying cracker (probably because they subconsciously had it in their head because I constantly called myself it), would you find that hypocritical?
if you get offended by somebody using a term, then wouldn't it make sense to not use it to refer to yourself?
Quote: GandlerTrue. But, if I call myself and my friends "cracker" or some similar slur in every reference to each other and then report somebody else for jokingly saying cracker (probably because they subconsciously had it in their head because I constantly called myself it), would you find that hypocritical?
if you get offended by somebody using a term, then wouldn't it make sense to not use it to refer to yourself?
I understand the argument. I'm not saying it is as it should be, but it is what happens.
Ever hear someone call their brother "punk" in a jestful way?
The word is the same, but are you a family member, a close friend, the next door neighbor, a stranger yelling it at someone in the next car you don't know?
It's still "punk" but the context could start a fistfight or even a shootout if the conversation escalates in the roadway depending on the relationship or non-relationship, and what you have or don't have in common with the other person.
Black people are allowed to use the word. White people who use the word are racist.
Black people saying that n word takes away some of its power from those who use the word with racist intent.
Whenever I see a thread full of white guys complaining about black people using the n word it always reads to me like, "Why are *THEY* allowed to say something that I can't!?"
Get over it.
Quote: aceofspadesWhere's Rev. Al?
Tawana Brawley's house?
Quote: 1BBTawana Brawley's house?
LOLOLOL aware
Quote: aceofspadesLOLOLOL aware
I heard he won't return Tawana's phone calls. He's in the middle of negotiations with the families of Parker Rice and Levi Pettit.
Quote: GreasyjohnI heard he won't return Tawana's phone calls. He's in the middle of negotiations with the families of Parker Rice and Levi Pettit.
Amazing how he can be trusted at all, by anyone
Did he ever fulfill the verdict in the Steve Pagones case?Quote: GreasyjohnI heard he won't return Tawana's phone calls. He's in the middle of negotiations with the families of Parker Rice and Levi Pettit.
Quote: SanchoPanzaDid he ever fulfill the verdict in the Steve Pagones case?
I have no idea. And, of course, his being in negotiations is pure sarcasm.
