Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: FaceIt would not be difficult, in theory, to do what you suggested and do so manually. Observe...
1. MC wants to post but is drunk. He hits "reply" and types one word - "Pending". He then hits "post", generating the post and saving the slot.
2. MC then goes to PM. "Recipient" is the mod of his choice, "Subject" is the thread he's posting in, and the "Body" would be the post he wants to create for the thread.
3. Once he's written the post in the PM, he sends the PM to the mod. He can choose how he wants this done. It can be an "all or nothing" where if it fails, it's erased with no further action. He could give the mod "censoring" permission to do away with what's not allowed but leave the post intact. He could give the mod editing permission to change stuff to fit the rules (changes denoted in bold, of course).
4. Once deemed acceptable, the mod "Edits" the post in which MC created that says only "Pending" and then copy/pastes in the clean and filtered post.
No money, no programing. Easy peasy.
Works for me.
So he would have to choose (while drunk) to follow steps, knowing what he really wants to say, during a moment he really wants to say it, might not get seen? Do you follow?Quote: FaceIt would not be difficult, in theory, to do what you suggested and do so manually. Observe...
1. MC wants to post but is drunk. He hits "reply" and types one word - "Pending". He then hits "post", generating the post and saving the slot.
2. MC then goes to PM. "Recipient" is the mod of his choice, "Subject" is the thread he's posting in, and the "Body" would be the post he wants to create for the thread.
3. Once he's written the post in the PM, he sends the PM to the mod. He can choose how he wants this done. It can be an "all or nothing" where if it fails, it's erased with no further action. He could give the mod "censoring" permission to do away with what's not allowed but leave the post intact. He could give the mod editing permission to change stuff to fit the rules (changes denoted in bold, of course).
4. Once deemed acceptable, the mod "Edits" the post in which MC created that says only "Pending" and then copy/pastes in the clean and filtered post.
No money, no programing. Easy peasy.
If hes drunk and he wants to say something he's not going to go thought steps to avoid posting something he wants to say. If that's the case he just wouldn't say it.
Face, your not working are you? And you are already use to the cold. :)
Quote: WizardI oppose this. As you wrote, I believe in personal responsibility and owning your own posts. Maintaining a civil level of decorum takes a back seat to freedom of speech and equal treatment.
My advice to Mickey is to find a less moderated forum for his drunken musings and save the sober ones for here.
The Wiz is right. I must accept responsiblity for my own actions. But, hey mods, if you see a drunk mickeycrimm post then delete it before he see's it. It would be greatly appreciated. While the cat is away the mice will play, or something like that. Just please delete my drunken posts.
Quote: AxelWolfSo he would have to choose (while drunk) to follow steps, knowing what he really wants to say, during a moment he really wants to say it, might not get seen? Do you follow?
MC said he had something similar at another site. I just offered a way for him to have it here. It might not work, he might not want it, but I try to provide options when I can. This is one.
Quote: petroglyphMaybe somebody could go up to Big Sky country and give Mickey drinking lessons?
Face, your not working are you? And you are already use to the cold. :)
Ha! I haven't had a drop since BVI. I don't think that's a lesson I'd be fit to give.
But I do plan on returning. Beautiful country. Maybe MC will take care of himself long enough for me to get there and tip a glass or 10.
Quote: FaceIt would not be difficult, in theory, to do what you suggested and do so manually. Observe...
1. MC wants to post but is drunk. He hits "reply" and types one word - "Pending". He then hits "post", generating the post and saving the slot.
2. MC then goes to PM. "Recipient" is the mod of his choice, "Subject" is the thread he's posting in, and the "Body" would be the post he wants to create for the thread.
3. Once he's written the post in the PM, he sends the PM to the mod. He can choose how he wants this done. It can be an "all or nothing" where if it fails, it's erased with no further action. He could give the mod "censoring" permission to do away with what's not allowed but leave the post intact. He could give the mod editing permission to change stuff to fit the rules (changes denoted in bold, of course).
4. Once deemed acceptable, the mod "Edits" the post in which MC created that says only "Pending" and then copy/pastes in the clean and filtered post.
No money, no programing. Easy peasy.
Drunk assholes don't think like that, Face. Its to much confusion. A drunk only thinks about one thing, getting his satisfaction.
Quote: petroglyphMaybe somebody could go up to Big Sky country and give Mickey drinking lessons?
I think that's "take drinking lessons from Mickey". Most people would learn more about drinking from Mickey than he would learn from them.
Quote: Zcore13I have an answer. MC needs to be responsible for his own posts and being drunk is not an excuse. It's not an excuse when you drive, it's not an excuse if you commit a crime and it shouldn't be an excuse when you break the rules of a forum. He's not a child. He needs to be responsible for his own actions, not have people deleting posts for him and babying him.
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What do you do with a member who has been suspended seven times in 15 months? Why, special treatment of course. Special treatment has already been admitted to by one administrator even though the Wizard is against it. "There have been times when mickey's been the beneficiary of strategic deletions of obviously drunk posts". Now, special treatment has been proposed to monitor his posts to avoid suspension number 8. What about personal responsibility? What about everyone else? What about banned members? Maybe they were drunk when they got suspended. Children learn at an early age not to say the dog ate my homework. Adults know better.
Officer, I'm sorry I crossed the center line and wiped out that family but I was drunk. Can I have a ride home?
Your honor, I didn't mean to urinate in the public square at high noon but I was drunk. Can we forget about it?
I know I shoplifted that expensive item but I was drunk. I'll just put it back and be on my way.
Yes, I touched that woman but I was drunk. She shouldn't have sat next to me on the bus.
Does anyone remember the desperate efforts to keep Buzz here? Have we learned nothing from that fiasco? Let the chips fall where they may. No special treatment.
To his credit, mickeycrimm was not the one who brought this up. He is making an effort to better himself and I applaud him for that but he needs tough love not special treatment.
Quote: AxelWolfObviously i was joking about sending it to RS however you could send it to a charity.
WTF! I thought you were serious.
We can still make that option available, though. I'm all for it!
Quote: 1BBWhat do you do with a member who has been suspended seven times in 15 months? Why, special treatment of course. Special treatment has already been admitted to by one administrator even though the Wizard is against it. "There have been times when mickey's been the beneficiary of strategic deletions of obviously drunk posts". Now, special treatment has been proposed to monitor his posts to avoid suspension number 8. What about personal responsibility? What about everyone else? What about banned members? Maybe they were drunk when they got suspended. Children learn at an early age not to say the dog ate my homework. Adults know better.
Officer, I'm sorry I crossed the center line and wiped out that family but I was drunk. Can I have a ride home?
Your honor, I didn't mean to urinate in the public square at high noon but I was drunk. Can we forget about it?
I know I shoplifted that expensive item but I was drunk. I'll just put it back and be on my way.
Yes, I touched that woman but I was drunk. She shouldn't have sat next to me on the bus.
Does anyone remember the desperate efforts to keep Buzz here? Have we learned nothing from that fiasco? Let the chips fall where they may. No special treatment.
To his credit, mickeycrimm was not the one who brought this up. He is making an effort to better himself and I applaud him for that but he needs tough love not special treatment.
Yup. 1BB is right, as always. He's a smart dude.
I enjoy Mickeys posts, drunk or otherwise. And wouldn't be insulted if he went on a drunken rampage against me. I'd be entertained.
Did anyone think Mickey was going to break Mike Shackleford's sternum if he ever came up to Montana to horn in on his plays?
Quote: 1BBWhat do you do with a member who has been suspended seven times in 15 months? Why, special treatment of course. Special treatment has already been admitted to by one administrator even though the Wizard is against it. "There have been times when mickey's been the beneficiary of strategic deletions of obviously drunk posts". Now, special treatment has been proposed to monitor his posts to avoid suspension number 8. What about personal responsibility? What about everyone else? What about banned members? Maybe they were drunk when they got suspended. Children learn at an early age not to say the dog ate my homework. Adults know better.
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Does anyone remember the desperate efforts to keep Buzz here? Have we learned nothing from that fiasco? Let the chips fall where they may. No special treatment.
To his credit, mickeycrimm was not the one who brought this up. He is making an effort to better himself and I applaud him for that but he needs tough love not special treatment.
Pretty hypocritical statements coming from the guy who asks for more special treatment for members than anyone. By far. Reference any number of your arguments/protests/postings about members not deserving in some way whatever happened as a result of irresponsible postings, less or more; all your perception, not "the truth".
Mickeycrimm is the one who asked for some kind of moderation mechanism short of having to leave the site ahead of a nuke. I and other people are asking the mods, specifically Mike, if there is a possible solution. Your reshaping events and intents to fit your agenda is unwelcome.
Quote: 1BBWhat do you do with a member who has been suspended seven times in 15 months? Why, special treatment of course .....
In the world I live in, people who add value above and beyond the norm, receive special treatment all the time. LeBron James can be late for a team meeting and little to nothing is going to happen to him, but try that if you're at the end of the bench. A high roller gets special treatment because he is adding value (translate $$) to the casino. Hot women get special treatment all the time.
So, I'm not sure why you want to rant so bad about Mickey (or Buzz) getting special treatment (be it a longer suspension leash or the suggestion of moderated posts). The only thing I can come up with is that you wanted, once again, to make another thinly veiled attack on BBB. I'm not sure where the animosity originated, but the repetitive attacks are childish and unwelcome as far as I'm concerned.
MC adds a ton of knowledge to this site, making us all smarter if you choose to dig into his machine play analysis. Additionally his experiences and stories are highly entertaining, so for him and those like him, I'm glad the mods use common sense and discretion in doling out punishment.
Quote: DieterI think that's "take drinking lessons from Mickey". Most people would learn more about drinking from Mickey than he would learn from them.
Sounds good. I used to be a professional drinker myself. It takes years of training and a whole lot of money.
You may already know this but performed properly and good caloric burn, the amount one can consume in one session is unbelievable to the novices. I have seen incredible amounts consumed, and that was without marching powder.Add that and the amounts are nearly endless.
I was taught early to pace myself and not "switch horses", stay away from the sweet drinks and fortified wine and there was no upper limit. I remember back in my drinking prime that some weeks, I would only eat 3 times. Food was a "buzz kill". As long as you eat and stay out of trouble [sans cirrhosis] you will be ok. Until your not. It is a lifestyle.
It seems anymore professional drinkers are almost a lost art. Ted Kennedy was legendary as was Minn. fats. Like everything else in life there is a bell curve to our abilities.
I absolutely take no offense to any of MC's posts. I don't really think anyone is, who's business this ain't? Why the faux offense act? We are all here on a gambling website and there are those that take offense at vulgarity or drunken behavior, puhlease. Again other than the owners who have reason to keep it clean ish.
Quote: MidwestAPIn the world I live in, people who add value above and beyond the norm, receive special treatment all the time. LeBron James can be late for a team meeting and little to nothing is going to happen to him, but try that if you're at the end of the bench. A high roller gets special treatment because he is adding value (translate $$) to the casino. Hot women get special treatment all the time.
So, I'm not sure why you want to rant so bad about Mickey (or Buzz) getting special treatment (be it a longer suspension leash or the suggestion of moderated posts). The only thing I can come up with is that you wanted, once again, to make another thinly veiled attack on BBB. I'm not sure where the animosity originated, but the repetitive attacks are childish and unwelcome as far as I'm concerned.
MC adds a ton of knowledge to this site, making us all smarter if you choose to dig into his machine play analysis. Additionally his experiences and stories are highly entertaining, so for him and those like him, I'm glad the mods use common sense and discretion in doling out punishment.
Oh somebody's ranting all right but it's not me. At least I didn't get called slimey this time. That might have hurt my feelings.
Keep circling the wagons. You're doing fine.
RS stands for Rob Singer. I'm referring to you as WS from now on. Do you know what that stands for?Quote: RSWTF! I thought you were serious.
We can still make that option available, though. I'm all for it!
You didn't get the coalition invite, Anti-BBB ?Quote: MidwestAPThe only thing I can come up with is that you wanted, once again, to make another thinly veiled attack on BBB. I'm not sure where the animosity originated, .
Ill send that right over.
It's only $19.95 to join.
Quote: AxelWolfId just make it -EV for him to make drunken posts. Anytime he gets suspended, make him pay $10 per day. Then send the money to Rob Singer, I have a feeling he might be more careful.
There is no way I could live with Rob Singer spending my money. That would straighten me right up. LOL.
At least with Mickey's post you know there was no conscious malicious intent
Quote: RaleighCrapsI would much rather read a drunk MC posting with cussing and malicious threats, then read a post with another member getting away with a snarky post that stays just under the suspension line.
At least with Mickey's post you know there was no conscious malicious intent
My post was about personal responsibility. No insults, no name calling. Welcome to the pigpile!
I thought of that however I think a few members would porously bait you to grow the pool.Quote: mickeycrimmI'll agree to the $10 a day fine. Perhaps I could send the money to the Wiz and he can throw it into one of the gambling pools on WoV.
Quote: MidwestAP
So, I'm not sure why you want to rant so bad about Mickey (or Buzz) getting special treatment (be it a longer suspension leash or the suggestion of moderated posts). The only thing I can come up with is that you wanted, once again, to make another thinly veiled attack on BBB. I'm not sure where the animosity originated, but the repetitive attacks are childish and unwelcome as far as I'm concerned.
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I would guess the majority of 1BB's posts are of this nature. Just remove the words 'thinly veiled' and I agree with you.
Quote: 1BBMy post was about personal responsibility. No insults, no name calling. Welcome to the pigpile!
Sorry 1BB if you felt my post was a snipe aimed at you. It was not.
And besides, I count you as one of the members who usually adds value, so while I don't understand your extreme interest in the suspensions, I also consider it none of my business, and am happy to read your other posts. It was only a coincidence that my post here came shortly after yours.
Quote: AxelWolfI thought of that however I think a few members would porously bait you to grow the pool.
I'll walk that tightrope to insure that the money goes to WoV'ers.
Quote: MidwestAPIn the world I live in, people who add value above and beyond the norm, receive special treatment all the time. LeBron James can be late for a team meeting and little to nothing is going to happen to him, but try that if you're at the end of the bench. A high roller gets special treatment because he is adding value (translate $$) to the casino. Hot women get special treatment all the time.
So, I'm not sure why you want to rant so bad about Mickey (or Buzz) getting special treatment (be it a longer suspension leash or the suggestion of moderated posts). The only thing I can come up with is that you wanted, once again, to make another thinly veiled attack on BBB. I'm not sure where the animosity originated, but the repetitive attacks are childish and unwelcome as far as I'm concerned.
MC adds a ton of knowledge to this site, making us all smarter if you choose to dig into his machine play analysis. Additionally his experiences and stories are highly entertaining, so for him and those like him, I'm glad the mods use common sense and discretion in doling out punishment.
GREAT Post!
Quote: mickeycrimmI'll agree to the $10 a day fine. Perhaps I could send the money to the Wiz and he can throw it into one of the gambling pools on WoV.
I think I should amend this statement to a $10 per day fine to a maximum of $300, money to go into WoV money pools. Not tHat the mods would do it, but I don't want anyone to start thinking six months to juice up a WoV money pool. I don't mind you AP'ing. Just don't try to AP my ass.LOL.
Quote: mickeycrimmI think I should amend this statement to a $10 per day fine to a maximum of $300
per suspension, or total?
Quote: Dieterper suspension, or total?
Maximum $300 per offense.
But I must say, I am surprised at your situation. Discipline is the single most important trait of a successful AP, which you obviously are. You can't carry that discipline over into other areas, such as refraining from posting drunk?
Probably not when he's drunk it's like a split personality. It's like Jekyll and Hyde. The decision probably has to be drink or don't drink. I have a feeling it will happen less because he's had enough warnings but sure enough one to many and the beast might get the better of him.Quote: kewljAlthough I am currently participating less, I still read the site every day. You are one of my favorite posters/members, mickeycrimm. Your posts are both informative and entertaining (even your drunk posts...lol). I hope you don't go any where.
But I must say, I am surprised at your situation. Discipline is the single most important trait of a successful AP, which you obviously are. You can't carry that discipline over into other areas, such as refraining from posting drunk?
Quote: kewljYou can't carry that discipline over into other areas, such as refraining from posting drunk?
Well, if he can't, he's in good company. Plenty of people with skills, talents, or exceptional abilities in one area, have some great failing in other areas of their life.
Often harmful, but makes a good biography anyway.
Quote: SOOPOOI would guess the majority of 1BB's posts are of this nature. Just remove the words 'thinly veiled' and I agree with you.
I guess when you don't have the facts guessing can be used. I trust you don't guess in the operating room, doctor. Majority indeed.
Quote: kewljAlthough I am currently participating less, I still read the site every day. You are one of my favorite posters/members, mickeycrimm. Your posts are both informative and entertaining (even your drunk posts...lol). I hope you don't go any where.
But I must say, I am surprised at your situation. Discipline is the single most important trait of a successful AP, which you obviously are. You can't carry that discipline over into other areas, such as refraining from posting drunk?
Thanks, kewlj. I think I'm going to stick around. I have money on the line now so I'm thinking that should do the trick.
My booze habit has been very destructive in my gambling career. I never touch the stuff when I'm gambling/working. I'm able to compartmentalize it. But it's been very destructive in another sense. This is not big headed braggadocio. Its just something I know about myself. If I hadn't spent to much time drinking I know full well I would have out ran Bob Dancer in the video poker world. Thats how destructive my booze habit has been.
He quits all the time.Quote: bigfoot66Mickey it is none of my business but I am curious why you don't quit drinking, something I did about a year ago because I felt that it was making my life emptier.
Quote: kewljAlthough I am currently participating less, I still read the site every day. You are one of my favorite posters/members, mickeycrimm. Your posts are both informative and entertaining (even your drunk posts...lol). I hope you don't go any where.
But I must say, I am surprised at your situation. Discipline is the single most important trait of a successful AP, which you obviously are. You can't carry that discipline over into other areas, such as refraining from posting drunk?
Kewlj, in another thread you said you would not be opposed to meeting me. If you and your partner ever decide to do it, then put that vehicle on I-15 and keep driving north until you get to Great Falks, Montana. You won't find a man living in a mansion on the hill. I invest alk my money in cash. LOL. Out of professional courtesy I will give you and your partner a quick clinic on how to pick off enough money to pay for your vacation if you care to put in a couple of days on the machines. The offer is conditional that you don't move to Montana or spend more than a couple of weeks a year here.
It would be very nice to have an eyewitness such as yourself to inform cynical WoV'ers like kerkebet that Mickey Crimm is the real deal.
kind of enabling program in place where he was
going to be fined for saying inappropriate stuff.
I like MC. I love his stories. And I can dig it when he puts his hard-ass hat on. But I really don't like his outbursts and lack of self control. Especially in cases like this, where it was completely unwarranted and not even on topic.
Quote: FaceHe did. I don't know what became of that chat, as I wasn't participating in the payment option discussion. If my integrity was for sale, I'd still be employed. I offered a PM editing proposal, but he said he was unable to do that.
I like MC. I love his stories. And I can dig it when he puts his hard-ass hat on. But I really don't like his outbursts and lack of self control. Especially in cases like this, where it was completely unwarranted and not even on topic.
If he got suspended how come it's not showing on the list?
Quote: GreasyjohnIf he got suspended how come it's not showing on the list?
I haven't put it there. Today's been a trying day and I don't want to take it out on people here. Since this is no 3-day offense, I felt there was no hurry and sentencing could wait until I'm a little more clear headed.
This is number 8. People have been nuked for less.
It, again, is profanity and insult related. Profanity in general is one thing. Insults of a certain nature are another. But this was the written equivalent of jumping on someone's chest with both feet. It was bad, man. I am at a loss for how to even react, because it is so far beyond anything I've dealt with here.
And it was unwarranted. I needn't explain further. I'm sure the light of day gives complete understanding.
But the thing that really, really bugs me is your self-censorship. You know not to drink and work. You know enough to censor certain words. I can only come to the conclusion that this is less about self control and more about willful self destruction.
I dig you, man. Your hard ass demeanor, the stories of your life, your knowledge of gaming, all of it is a welcome addition here that I personally enjoy. But it doesn't make up for the damage. Despite that you are a valued member, there are other valued members you harm by being exposed to your rants, and they deserve respect as well.
I truly believe your apologies upon your returns have been sincere, and that might be the one reason I've considered allowing you your ninth life.
Mickey, it is not my intention to talk down to you like a child. It makes me uncomfortable as hell to talk like this. But I need you to understand that we can't allow that stuff anymore, so I wrote this as a plea for understanding so you don't get trounced for good. You might be a bad ass but you're not an animal. You have self control. Exercise it, please.
30 days. Last chance.
And as for recent news with this thread...looks decently clean, except for mickey. Ugh. Mickey is an awesome contributor when he is sober...but when he's not, who knows what will come out. :( If he was just an average poster, he would have probably been banned by now under the current rules. Now I myself have mostly desensitized myself to mickey's rants because I know the tone will significantly shift in those posts, but they are still inappropriate. But as another banned poster said numerous times, "Mike's house; Mike's rules." And Mike is still the major moderator of this forum, and also one of the strictest, imo. I definitely try to keep myself on good behavior here, even though I am currently nice and toasty. :)
This also was my 4400th post with 4 threads technically started...haha
Quote: EvenBobMickey got suspended? I thought there was some kind of enabling program in place where he was going to be fined for saying inappropriate stuff.
I believe the purpose of that "enabling program" was to increase the sting of the suspension by adding a fine to the jail time.
St. Paddy's day parade tomorrow, which ill be marching I'm.
Talk about a non surprising turn of events.
There's so much more I want to sat, but ill hold my tongue until more sobering times.
But he adds value to the site. He's just being himself. It's the alcohol talking. Hogwash. What happened to personal responsibility that is conveniently ignored by some here?
I guess everyone adds value to the site for someone. Half of the banned members on the Suspension List add value to me and none of them made racist comments. JerryLogan had value, Varmenti, LarryS, Ken. These guys are banned but racism is dealt with by an almost apologetic slap on the wrist.
Every person visiting this site will now have to see the horrible, ugly words that will be here for eternity. How very sad. Of course, they could mysteriously disappear, it wouldn't be the first time. Perhaps someone should document this hate just in case.
But hey, it was the booze talking. Oh yeah, the dog ate my homework.
A drunk mouth spews what a sober mouth doesn't have the guts to.
Quote: Dalex64In the same paragraph, you complain that the ugly words will be here forever, and they might mysteriously dissappear. It seems like no matter what the forum management does, or might do, you are against it. With such great philosophical differences, I would turn around what you said about referring people to this forum, and say that I would no longer reccomend this forum to you.
It seems that you're the one complaining while trying to steer away from the real issue which is racism. Are you for racism, Dalex64? If so, I'm sure you can find some sites suited to that. Thanks for your recommendation.
I've made a couple of other posts this morning. Feel free to make recommendations on those as well.
