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January 4th, 2024 at 10:48:26 AM permalink
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Why is Redietz in red?
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He was nuked a few years back.
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January 4th, 2024 at 11:06:42 AM permalink
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Why is Redietz in red?
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He was nuked a few years back.
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I see. Thanks
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January 4th, 2024 at 3:02:30 PM permalink
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Why is Redietz in red?
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He was nuked a few years back.
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hm.. but No link to the offending post in the suspension list?

But here's Wiz's explanation of his nuke:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/36338-discussion-iii-about-the-suspension-list/10/#post828351

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The threat was made in another forum.
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January 4th, 2024 at 3:03:40 PM permalink
It was on another forum.
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January 4th, 2024 at 3:13:18 PM permalink
Starburger's name in Red. (https://wizardofvegas.com/member/starburger/ )

His last visit was June 21, 2022 but I can't find his name in the 2022 or 2023 suspension list?
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January 4th, 2024 at 3:47:20 PM permalink
Is today, look up people who were suspended long ago and figure out why, day?

😃

Starburger was nuked as a Tasha/Nathan sock.
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January 4th, 2024 at 4:20:15 PM permalink
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Is today, look up people who were suspended long ago and figure out why, day?

😃

Starburger was nuked as a Tasha/Nathan sock.
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Tasha/Nathan is still upset, angry dismayed, and still thinking daily about her nuke here.

She swears to be on the sock puppet wagon for a very long time now, however, there are a few accounts on here that I suspect are her. She is reading and she will deny it, but she's denied and denied and denied and denied many times in the past, only to later confess.
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January 4th, 2024 at 4:22:41 PM permalink
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Is today, look up people who were suspended long ago and figure out why, day?

😃

Starburger was nuked as a Tasha/Nathan sock.
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Tasha/Nathan is still upset, angry dismayed, and still thinking daily about her nuke here.

She swears to be on the sock puppet wagon for a very long time now, however, there are a few accounts on here that I suspect are her. She is reading and she will deny it, but she's denied and denied and denied and denied many times in the past, only to later confess.
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I swear that kind of thing is some sort of mental illness. Saw it back in the USENET days and the behaviors are still the same. Worse is to talk about a forum you were banned from on another forum. I cannot think of being a loser with no life that I would do that.
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January 4th, 2024 at 4:23:55 PM permalink
The "usual suspects" when we have sock puppets are Buzz, Boz, KewlJ, Tasha/Nathan, ExpectedValue/WizardofNothing. Did I miss anyone?

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January 4th, 2024 at 4:29:47 PM permalink
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The "usual suspects" when we have sock puppets are Buzz, Boz, KewlJ, Tasha/Nathan, ExpectedValue/WizardofNothing. Did I miss anyone?


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I don't think Boz does sock puppet accounts, at least not ones where you're just trying to make an account to participate on the Forum in secret.

I believe if he had something to say, you would clearly know it was him.
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January 4th, 2024 at 4:31:50 PM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

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Is today, look up people who were suspended long ago and figure out why, day?

😃

Starburger was nuked as a Tasha/Nathan sock.
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Tasha/Nathan is still upset, angry dismayed, and still thinking daily about her nuke here.

She swears to be on the sock puppet wagon for a very long time now, however, there are a few accounts on here that I suspect are her. She is reading and she will deny it, but she's denied and denied and denied and denied many times in the past, only to later confess.
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I swear that kind of thing is some sort of mental illness. Saw it back in the USENET days and the behaviors are still the same. Worse is to talk about a forum you were banned from on another forum. I cannot think of being a loser with no life that I would do that.
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I think it's been well-known for a long time that Tasha has a special condition. I believe it's some form of autism.
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January 4th, 2024 at 4:36:41 PM permalink
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The "usual suspects" when we have sock puppets are Buzz, Boz, KewlJ, Tasha/Nathan, ExpectedValue/WizardofNothing. Did I miss anyone?


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I don't think Boz does sock puppet accounts, at least not ones where you're just trying to make an account to participate on the Forum in secret.

I believe if he had something to say, you would clearly know it was him.
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Boz was nailed for a couple socks here 2021 - 2022.

And the "I only do it in a way where it's clear who I am" is a lame excuse some of them give, until they're caught for other sock puppets where they didn't make it clear.

The main issue is that someone has gotten so perturbed over something or other on an internet forum that he feels the need to make a guest appearance to comment on it, even long after he's no longer welcome. This sometimes goes hand in hand with making long dramatic goodbyes and then reappearing anyway.

Or feeling the need to let us know that he's leaving because of this or that reason instead of just leaving, or stopping posting.
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January 4th, 2024 at 5:00:41 PM permalink
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The "usual suspects" when we have sock puppets are Buzz, Boz, KewlJ, Tasha/Nathan, ExpectedValue/WizardofNothing. Did I miss anyone?


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I don't think Boz does sock puppet accounts, at least not ones where you're just trying to make an account to participate on the Forum in secret.

I believe if he had something to say, you would clearly know it was him.
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Boz was nailed for a couple socks here 2021 - 2022.

And the "I only do it in a way where it's clear who I am" is a lame excuse some of them give, until they're caught for other sock puppets where they didn't make it clear.

The main issue is that someone has gotten so perturbed over something or other on an internet forum that he feels the need to make a guest appearance to comment on it, even long after he's no longer welcome. This sometimes goes hand in hand with making long dramatic goodbyes and then reappearing anyway.

Or feeling the need to let us know that he's leaving because of this or that reason instead of just leaving, or stopping posting.
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He’s not making a long dramatic goodbye. He started a thread about his plays/techniques for online casino advantage play. You and DarkOz have hijacked the thread, in clear violation of forum rules. A respected senior member of the forum (me!) has politely requested for the two of you to stop, or at least move it to the MDawg thread. A mod has chimed in and taken no action. I’m mildly interested in your challenge, and will happily chime in, in an appropriate thread. (My money is on MDawg…)
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January 4th, 2024 at 5:05:10 PM permalink
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(My money is on MDawg…)
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Thanks!

What would the odds be? How much would I have to put down on MDawg to get back an even dollar?


P.S. The long dramatic goodbyes and then reappearing was more directed at KewlJ.
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January 4th, 2024 at 5:08:09 PM permalink
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The "usual suspects" when we have sock puppets are Buzz, Boz, KewlJ, Tasha/Nathan, ExpectedValue/WizardofNothing. Did I miss anyone?


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January 4th, 2024 at 5:15:19 PM permalink
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I think it's been well-known for a long time that Tasha has a special condition. I believe it's some form of autism.
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I would not say Nathan had some kind of autism. I think it was more an attention-seeking personality disorder. I'm no shrink, but based on the number of threads she started and the number of thumb-tacked posts she had to be the center of attention. If that is on the spectrum though please someone correct me there.
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January 4th, 2024 at 5:21:38 PM permalink
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He’s not making a long dramatic goodbye. He started a thread about his plays/techniques for online casino advantage play. You and DarkOz have hijacked the thread, in clear violation of forum rules.
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Wait what?! They're talking about banned members from years ago making sock accts.

How the heck did you misconstrue that to being Mental?!?
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January 4th, 2024 at 6:37:23 PM permalink
If someone on this forum posts (publicly) that a banned member, such as Nathan, has autism then it might be argued that this forum has some kind of obligation to allow her to return briefly for the purpose of defending herself.

For this reason we have a "policy" of not allowing defamatory comments to be posted about members who have been nuked. It is not exactly a rule. Rule #16 does address banned members and forbids posts that quote the public or private comments of banned members -but that's not the same thing as forbidding comments that banned members are mentally ill or autistic. But we do have a 'policy' that has been stated in the past several times that we do not allow posts that insult or defame banned members.

Perhaps we should consider amending either Rule #16 or #1. In the meantime, let me ask all of the adults in this conversation to refrain from making public comments of a personal nature about Nathan, based on a sense of fair play.
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January 4th, 2024 at 7:26:29 PM permalink
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He’s not making a long dramatic goodbye. He started a thread about his plays/techniques for online casino advantage play. You and DarkOz have hijacked the thread, in clear violation of forum rules. A respected senior member of the forum (me!) has politely requested for the two of you to stop, or at least move it to the MDawg thread. A mod has chimed in and taken no action. I’m mildly interested in your challenge, and will happily chime in, in an appropriate thread. (My money is on MDawg…)
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If you're talking about me chiming inaction, I will get to it. The "IRL" world takes priority. Trying to sort it out when I don't have time to boot a laptop is a bad idea.

Hoping to have deadlines cleared by 10am pacific time tomorrow. I won't be upset if some other capable individual deprives me of the honors.

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Hoping you can manage to read the interesting tidbits among the noise, -D
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January 4th, 2024 at 7:45:24 PM permalink
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He’s not making a long dramatic goodbye. He started a thread about his plays/techniques for online casino advantage play. You and DarkOz have hijacked the thread, in clear violation of forum rules. A respected senior member of the forum (me!) has politely requested for the two of you to stop, or at least move it to the MDawg thread. A mod has chimed in and taken no action. I’m mildly interested in your challenge, and will happily chime in, in an appropriate thread. (My money is on MDawg…)
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If you're talking about me chiming inaction, I will get to it. The "IRL" world takes priority. Trying to sort it out when I don't have time to boot a laptop is a bad idea.

Hoping to have deadlines cleared by 10am pacific time tomorrow. I won't be upset if some other capable individual deprives me of the honors.

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Hoping you can manage to read the interesting tidbits among the noise, -D
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Listen….. you are making the big bucks as a Greenie. No excuses tolerated. I suppose next you are going to tell us you had a medical condition like open heart surgery?

Teasing of course. Who would want your Green job?
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January 4th, 2024 at 9:13:23 PM permalink
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Who would want your Green job?



Nathan would.
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January 5th, 2024 at 12:42:31 AM permalink
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Quote: SOOPOO


He’s not making a long dramatic goodbye. He started a thread about his plays/techniques for online casino advantage play. You and DarkOz have hijacked the thread, in clear violation of forum rules. A respected senior member of the forum (me!) has politely requested for the two of you to stop, or at least move it to the MDawg thread. A mod has chimed in and taken no action. I’m mildly interested in your challenge, and will happily chime in, in an appropriate thread. (My money is on MDawg…)
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If you're talking about me chiming inaction, I will get to it. The "IRL" world takes priority. Trying to sort it out when I don't have time to boot a laptop is a bad idea.

Hoping to have deadlines cleared by 10am pacific time tomorrow. I won't be upset if some other capable individual deprives me of the honors.

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The brick walls are there for a reason. The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don’t want it badly enough. They’re there to stop the other people.


Hoping you can manage to read the interesting tidbits among the noise, -D
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Listen….. you are making the big bucks as a Greenie. No excuses tolerated. I suppose next you are going to tell us you had a medical condition like open heart surgery?

Teasing of course. Who would want your Green job?
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What??!?
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January 5th, 2024 at 5:49:31 AM permalink
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If someone on this forum posts (publicly) that a banned member, such as Nathan, has autism then it might be argued that this forum has some kind of obligation to allow her to return briefly for the purpose of defending herself.

For this reason we have a "policy" of not allowing defamatory comments to be posted about members who have been nuked. It is not exactly a rule. Rule #16 does address banned members and forbids posts that quote the public or private comments of banned members -but that's not the same thing as forbidding comments that banned members are mentally ill or autistic. But we do have a 'policy' that has been stated in the past several times that we do not allow posts that insult or defame banned members.

Perhaps we should consider amending either Rule #16 or #1. In the meantime, let me ask all of the adults in this conversation to refrain from making public comments of a personal nature about Nathan, based on a sense of fair play.
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I agree with GordonM888, here. It has been a long standing 'unofficial' policy to sort of limit discussion of prior (banned) forum members, unless you have something positive to say. There have been a few major exceptions to that over the years, for one reason or another; generally speaking, Nathan never really did anything to anyone, so there's no good reason to trash Nathan on this forum.

Rob Singer, for example, is probably a partial exception as he used to write a gambling column, so could be discussed in that context, one would think.

It's also somewhat widely known that Nathan isn't hard to find if you want to address Nathan directly; if anyone wishes to PM me, then I will tell you where she might be found.
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January 5th, 2024 at 8:57:11 AM permalink
My understanding is that the policy regarding what may and may not be said about banned members stems from Rule 16

Messages from banned members: Do not quote anything, neither public nor private, a banned member has said. If we ban somebody it means we don't want to hear from them any longer.

This applies to anything the member has to say after being nuked - "we don't want to hear from them any longer," which is why posts made by sock puppets of banned members should be deleted in their entirety. As policy too this discourages sock puppetry because the nuked realize that whatever they post here under sock cover will disappear anyway.

And then as far as discussing or disparaging a nuked member, we may discuss their actions and content they left behind. Just probably shouldn't discuss anything new they might have done outside of this forum, although I suppose that too gets to the "imported drama" guideline, which seems to have become more of a guideline than rule since the post January 2021 "more lax WOV moderation," and is enforced more if real trolling drama is created versus simple mention of outside events.

As far as insulting them, I suppose that is just a general policy of not insulting any past or present WOV member. But it doesn't mean you can't discuss whatever content they left behind or actions they made while WOV members in good standing, same way you may discuss the actions and content of any WOV member, so long as you don't insult them. To ban discussion of a nuked member entirely would lead to absurd results - nuked members created content here and we are free to discuss it according to the Wizard.
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January 5th, 2024 at 10:26:45 AM permalink
Made me think of those fancy suspension chairs you find on VERY adult sites :)
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January 5th, 2024 at 10:33:57 AM permalink
You'd need to be a particular brand of scum to pick on someone you think has autism. Nathan was annoying, but at least she had a built-in excuse. I suspect several members here would test on the spectrum if everyone's cards were on the table.
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January 5th, 2024 at 10:37:21 AM permalink
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You'd need to be a particular brand of scum to pick on someone you think has autism. Nathan was annoying, but at least she had a built-in excuse. I suspect several members here would test on the spectrum if everyone's cards were on the table.
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I am curious why some here think she was on the spectrum.
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January 5th, 2024 at 5:54:01 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

If someone on this forum posts (publicly) that a banned member, such as Nathan, has autism then it might be argued that this forum has some kind of obligation to allow her to return briefly for the purpose of defending herself.

For this reason we have a "policy" of not allowing defamatory comments to be posted about members who have been nuked. It is not exactly a rule. Rule #16 does address banned members and forbids posts that quote the public or private comments of banned members -but that's not the same thing as forbidding comments that banned members are mentally ill or autistic. But we do have a 'policy' that has been stated in the past several times that we do not allow posts that insult or defame banned members.

Perhaps we should consider amending either Rule #16 or #1. In the meantime, let me ask all of the adults in this conversation to refrain from making public comments of a personal nature about Nathan, based on a sense of fair play.
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For the record, I believe this subject has even been discussed here previously, the discussion may have even included her. I'm certain that even she has acknowledged that its a possibility that she is on the spectrum. If not here, perhaps elsewhere. I don't think it's any secret that she's special. For the record, my comment was not meant to be defamatory. I will let you know if she indicates that she is offended by our comments here.
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January 5th, 2024 at 6:10:49 PM permalink
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You'd need to be a particular brand of scum to pick on someone you think has autism. Nathan was annoying, but at least she had a built-in excuse. I suspect several members here would test on the spectrum if everyone's cards were on the table.
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I am curious why some here think she was on the spectrum.
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I don't know when or why I got that feeling I believe it had to do with the combination of post and other things. Perhaps it was one of the videos that she posted that cemented it for me.

I haven't listened to it, but I believe she did a radio interview with Dan Druff/Todd on the Poker Fraud Alert Show.
I don't know what was said, but some people were discussing some of the Oddball stuff, so perhaps that can give you some insight if you are interested at all.

I think I'd be willing to wager and give odds that she has an abnormal condition. I don't know where they draw the line at officially being on the Spectrum.
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January 5th, 2024 at 7:28:24 PM permalink
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I haven't listened to it, but I believe she did a radio interview with Dan Druff/Todd on the Poker Fraud Alert Show.
I don't know what was said, but some people were discussing some of the Oddball stuff, so perhaps that can give you some insight if you are interested at all.
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January 5th, 2024 at 7:50:05 PM permalink
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I feel like Im on a real life game of survivor.

In all honesty, I like to joke around, have fun, and be sarcastic, and I have had my share of suspensions, but issuing threats because of an online forum is way beyond the scope of things I'd ever do. Nothing here is that serious.
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One lovely member here called my HR Department where I worked once because I disagreed with him too much here. The HR Director and I had a good laugh together. There are some really strange people in this world.


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January 6th, 2024 at 2:42:17 AM permalink
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You'd need to be a particular brand of scum to pick on someone you think has autism. Nathan was annoying, but at least she had a built-in excuse. I suspect several members here would test on the spectrum if everyone's cards were on the table.
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I am curious why some here think she was on the spectrum.
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I don't know when or why I got that feeling I believe it had to do with the combination of post and other things. Perhaps it was one of the videos that she posted that cemented it for me.

I haven't listened to it, but I believe she did a radio interview with Dan Druff/Todd on the Poker Fraud Alert Show.
I don't know what was said, but some people were discussing some of the Oddball stuff, so perhaps that can give you some insight if you are interested at all.

I think I'd be willing to wager and give odds that she has an abnormal condition. I don't know where they draw the line at officially being on the Spectrum.
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I am surprised she was on any kind of show (no, don't bother with the link) as I do not remember her discussing much about gaming and that being one reason Wiz sent her over to DT. The main "condition" I saw was someone in over their head conversation wise and did not have the education and experience level of most of the group here. Her interests seemed different as well, which is why she started so many threads that nobody paid attention to.

I'm no expert but that is my take. Might be a condition of some sort, I just do not see autism there.
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January 6th, 2024 at 4:27:55 AM permalink
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One lovely member here called my HR Department where I worked once because I disagreed with him too much here. The HR Director and I had a good laugh together. There are some really strange people in this world.


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That is incredible. I am just shocked that anyone would care enough about what others write in this forum. I am also shocked when I hear that adult members here go complaining to management about posts. Who cares?
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January 6th, 2024 at 6:46:41 AM permalink
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One lovely member here called my HR Department where I worked once because I disagreed with him too much here. The HR Director and I had a good laugh together. There are some really strange people in this world.


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That is incredible. I am just shocked that anyone would care enough about what others write in this forum. I am also shocked when I hear that adult members here go complaining to management about posts. Who cares?
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Yep. At some point, you just have to stop arguing and let the other person be wrong.
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January 7th, 2024 at 4:48:11 AM permalink
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January 7th, 2024 at 2:19:17 PM permalink
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If someone on this forum posts (publicly) that a banned member, such as Nathan, has autism then it might be argued that this forum has some kind of obligation to allow her to return briefly for the purpose of defending herself.

For this reason we have a "policy" of not allowing defamatory comments to be posted about members who have been nuked. It is not exactly a rule. Rule #16 does address banned members and forbids posts that quote the public or private comments of banned members -but that's not the same thing as forbidding comments that banned members are mentally ill or autistic. But we do have a 'policy' that has been stated in the past several times that we do not allow posts that insult or defame banned members.

Perhaps we should consider amending either Rule #16 or #1. In the meantime, let me ask all of the adults in this conversation to refrain from making public comments of a personal nature about Nathan, based on a sense of fair play.
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The thing has happened! (And I don't mean a scoundrel backing out of an betrothal in a Henry James novel.) Tasha/Nathan has appointed me as her representative and requests the opportunity to defend or at least present herself at WOV, either directly or through a plenipotentiary.
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January 7th, 2024 at 6:02:17 PM permalink
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If someone on this forum posts (publicly) that a banned member, such as Nathan, has autism then it might be argued that this forum has some kind of obligation to allow her to return briefly for the purpose of defending herself.

For this reason we have a "policy" of not allowing defamatory comments to be posted about members who have been nuked. It is not exactly a rule. Rule #16 does address banned members and forbids posts that quote the public or private comments of banned members -but that's not the same thing as forbidding comments that banned members are mentally ill or autistic. But we do have a 'policy' that has been stated in the past several times that we do not allow posts that insult or defame banned members.

Perhaps we should consider amending either Rule #16 or #1. In the meantime, let me ask all of the adults in this conversation to refrain from making public comments of a personal nature about Nathan, based on a sense of fair play.
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The thing has happened! (And I don't mean a scoundrel backing out of an betrothal in a Henry James novel.) Tasha/Nathan has appointed me as her representative and requests the opportunity to defend or at least present herself at WOV, either directly or through a plenipotentiary.
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Isn't there some forum /Mike rule about not doing that?
Either way, it's probably a moot point, I can't imagine that it's going to continue as a hot topic.
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January 7th, 2024 at 6:08:33 PM permalink
You already talked here about things that happened outside WOV with Tasha/Nathan after she was nuked, what I have done is stated that she wishes to have input on what was said about her here in the past few days.

I don't know whether she is or should be allowed to speak or not, I am merely saying that she appointed me as her representative in this matter.
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January 7th, 2024 at 6:19:01 PM permalink
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You already talked here about things that happened outside WOV with Tasha/Nathan after she was nuked, what I have done is stated that she wishes to have input on what was said about her here in the past few days.

I don't know whether she is or should be allowed to speak or not, I am merely saying that she appointed me as her representative in this matter.
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I'm not sure if I relayed any messages from her, but it's certainly possible since I don't always care to follow the rules.
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January 7th, 2024 at 6:32:02 PM permalink
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I don't know whether she is or should be allowed to speak or not, I am merely saying that she appointed me as her representative in this matter.
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I think that would set a bad precedent. Don't get nuked and you can defend yourself all you want.

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January 7th, 2024 at 6:40:07 PM permalink
Let's leave it up to BBB to decide if a one time exception should be made. She bore the brunt of her antics and the nukeable offense if I recall correctly.
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January 7th, 2024 at 6:42:06 PM permalink
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You already talked here about things that happened outside WOV with Tasha/Nathan after she was nuked, what I have done is stated that she wishes to have input on what was said about her here in the past few days.

I don't know whether she is or should be allowed to speak or not, I am merely saying that she appointed me as her representative in this matter.
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And that's a violation of Mikes policy/rules.
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January 7th, 2024 at 7:48:32 PM permalink
How about actually reading all of what's written and not just a few words.

You (and a few others) said things of Tasha/Nathan here including things that had to do with her actions after leaving this forum.

She asked me to represent her in this matter, and to that end I responded to Gordo's musings here.

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If someone on this forum posts (publicly) that a banned member, such as Nathan, has autism then it might be argued that this forum has some kind of obligation to allow her to return briefly for the purpose of defending herself.
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Wizard is gone for a short while, I don't know if in his absence his mods have the authority to rule on this sort of thing. Obviously if it is allowed, it has to be allowed with forum admin consent.

We certainly have precedent where it has been allowed. There was a nuked member from whom Wizard relayed a post in the past.
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January 7th, 2024 at 7:51:02 PM permalink
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Let's leave it up to BBB to decide if a one time exception should be made.



Let's not.

Rule 16: "Messages from banned members: Do not quote anything, neither public nor private, a banned member has said. If we ban somebody it means we don't want to hear from them any longer."

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January 7th, 2024 at 8:00:45 PM permalink
lol why did you Thank rsactuary for his suggestion and then turn around and reject it?

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January 7th, 2024 at 8:40:09 PM permalink
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January 7th, 2024 at 9:03:13 PM permalink
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Let's leave it up to BBB to decide if a one time exception should be made.



Let's not.

Rule 16: "Messages from banned members: Do not quote anything, neither public nor private, a banned member has said. If we ban somebody it means we don't want to hear from them any longer."

The "moiuthpiece" or the "representative" of the damned be damned.
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Unless I hear a compelling reason from another mod, this is already my default position.

Wizard's Prerogative, should he choose to exercise it, would be a compelling reason.
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January 7th, 2024 at 9:11:38 PM permalink
In his well known article, Should Trees Have Standing?—Toward Legal Rights for Natural Objects, Professor Christopher Stone proposed that courts grant nonhuman entities standing as plaintiffs so their interests may be directly represented in court.


If trees may have standing, why not Nathan?
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January 7th, 2024 at 9:15:11 PM permalink
I've been away for a few days and have returned to see that many ignored my request to refrain from discussing Nathan and autism.

Regarding MDawg's statement that he is Nathan's representative:

MDawg:
1. Please make your statements and requests/ pleas to Wizard by PM. Wizard is gone for approximately one week; but simply "file your brief" with him on the Personal Message system.

2. If you continue to make public statements representing Nathan on this forum I will immediately suspend you for violation of Rule #16. Statements that represent Nathan should be made privately to Wizard, not publicly on this forum.

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Until Wizard returns, any member making any further posts containing statements about Nathan and the autistic spectrum or any defamatory statement about Nathan at all will be immediately suspended.
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January 7th, 2024 at 9:15:23 PM permalink
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If trees may have standing, why not Nathan?
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If a tree violated the forum rules regarding multiple accounts, I'm unaware of it.
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