Discussion III about the Suspension List
August 19th, 2022 at 11:23:34 AM
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Quote: MrVQuote: OnceDearIf you want unrestricted freedom of speech, start your own forum
Ironically enough he already did, and what do you know, anonymous registration was just fine with him then..
I wonder what changed his mind between the birth of VCT and now?
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My suggestion was to put the free speech forum at the very bottom of the list, and not have to new posts rise to the top like they normally would. That way no one’s eyes would be injured by whatever they found annoying or offensive.
You’d have to actually go looking to get your feelings injured.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
August 19th, 2022 at 11:40:23 AM
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The only real issue with other forums is they don’t put a limit on the angry back and forth. 3 attack or defense posts each for each member, and you’re done for the day, or ban hammer. So it can’t turn into a long flaming thread.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
August 19th, 2022 at 11:46:02 AM
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Quote: rxwineThe only real issue with other forums is they don’t put a limit on the angry back and forth. 3 attack or defense posts each for each member, and you’re done for the day, or ban hammer. So it can’t turn into a long flaming thread.
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Three a day? When does the new day start?
Is that Eastern standard time or Pacific?
Or Casino time at 6am is a new day?
Or like Casinos you will just have to figure it out on your own?
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 19th, 2022 at 11:54:48 AM
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Quote: MrVQuote: OnceDearIf you want unrestricted freedom of speech, start your own forum
Ironically enough he already did, and what do you know, anonymous registration was just fine with him then..
I wonder what changed his mind between the birth of VCT and now?
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When I operated my forum I had hundreds of active members who were courteous to each othet.
When the rude jerks showed up and courtesy went out the window I decided to shut it down... but a certain person begged me not to so that he could preserve his posts.
I gave him the forum and today it's a sewer with maybe a dozen members who talk to each other.
Gone are the hundreds who used to participate.
August 19th, 2022 at 11:57:38 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: MrVQuote: OnceDearIf you want unrestricted freedom of speech, start your own forum
Ironically enough he already did, and what do you know, anonymous registration was just fine with him then..
I wonder what changed his mind between the birth of VCT and now?
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When I operated my forum I had hundreds of active members who were courteous to each othet.
When the rude jerks showed up and courtesy went out the window I decided to shut it down... but a certain person begged me not to so that he could preserve his posts.
I gave him the forum and today it's a sewer with maybe a dozen members who talk to each other.
Gone are the hundreds who used to participate.
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And that's what you are trying to convince Mike to do?
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 19th, 2022 at 11:59:27 AM
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Quote: rxwineQuote: MrVQuote: OnceDearIf you want unrestricted freedom of speech, start your own forum
Ironically enough he already did, and what do you know, anonymous registration was just fine with him then..
I wonder what changed his mind between the birth of VCT and now?
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My suggestion was to put the free speech forum at the very bottom of the list, and not have to new posts rise to the top like they normally would. That way no one’s eyes would be injured by whatever they found annoying or offensive.
You’d have to actually go looking to get your feelings injured.
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Unfortunately search engines won't know the difference between your bottom of the page free speech zone and the top of the page sincere zone.
If someone were to post "Bill Bills is a crook" in the free speech zone it would forever be on the web.
August 19th, 2022 at 12:10:40 PM
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Quote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: JohnzimboPaging Rob Singer.
Oh wait... that was a fake name
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Rob Singer is a pen name or a stage name. It is not a fake name meant to conceal a true identity.
He wrote books, published a website, and wrote a newspaper column under that name.
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Isn't that what a pen name or stage name does?
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Identities are valuable. Personal Data is valuable and likely to be abused. Why give them away.
I have no qualms using other pen names and complete alternative personae on other platforms and even in real life.
Do you think my drug dealer knows my real name? $;o) ? Do you think I use my real name on Mumsnet $;o) ?
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
August 19th, 2022 at 12:52:09 PM
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Quote: darkozQuote: rxwineThe only real issue with other forums is they don’t put a limit on the angry back and forth. 3 attack or defense posts each for each member, and you’re done for the day, or ban hammer. So it can’t turn into a long flaming thread.
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Three a day? When does the new day start?
Is that Eastern standard time or Pacific?
Or Casino time at 6am is a new day?
Or like Casinos you will just have to figure it out on your own?
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Just by the time of the first post to the time of the 3rd.
It's right there on your posts.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
August 19th, 2022 at 12:58:54 PM
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If I used my real name on the web, I'd have to remember things like not to mention when I'm going to be out of town or other hints to what I'm doing at certain times.
And if I want someone to know my name, I just tell them.
And if I want someone to know my name, I just tell them.
There's no secret. Just know what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
August 19th, 2022 at 1:18:07 PM
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Quote: rxwineIf I used my real name on the web, I'd have to remember things like not to mention when I'm going to be out of town or other hints to what I'm doing at certain times.
And if I want someone to know my name, I just tell them.
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Exactly. You never post when you're out of town.
Facebook users who post about leaving for vacation are advertising to every burglar in town.
August 19th, 2022 at 1:20:03 PM
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Maybe it is a question of having something to lose.
I keep money, guns, and drugs at home and I am certain at least one nefarious forum member might rise to the bait and attempt to rob me if my identity were known.
So yeah, I am anonymous due to fear: I wish the world weren't this way.
I keep money, guns, and drugs at home and I am certain at least one nefarious forum member might rise to the bait and attempt to rob me if my identity were known.
So yeah, I am anonymous due to fear: I wish the world weren't this way.
"What, me worry?"
August 19th, 2022 at 2:03:49 PM
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Quote: MrVMaybe it is a question of having something to lose.
I keep money, guns, and drugs at home and I am certain at least one nefarious forum member might rise to the bait and attempt to rob me if my identity were known.
So yeah, I am anonymous due to fear: I wish the world weren't this way.
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Let me guess!
When surrounded by your guns and drugs you just say, "What, me worry!"
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 19th, 2022 at 2:27:35 PM
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Quote: MrV
I keep money, guns, and drugs at home
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I often wondered why you stopped practicing law and didnt continue with an estate practice as many senior attorneys do.
Were you forced out of the legal profession because of the drugs?
August 19th, 2022 at 3:50:58 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonQuote: MrV
I keep money, guns, and drugs at home
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I often wondered why you stopped practicing law and didnt continue with an estate practice as many senior attorneys do.
Were you forced out of the legal profession because of the drugs?
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Why is there always an assumption that drugs must be illegal.
I carry drugs with me everywhere
Allopurinol for my Gout
Metformin for my Diabetes
Losartan for my high blood pressure
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 19th, 2022 at 3:58:42 PM
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Quote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: MrV
I keep money, guns, and drugs at home
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I often wondered why you stopped practicing law and didnt continue with an estate practice as many senior attorneys do.
Were you forced out of the legal profession because of the drugs?
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Why is there always an assumption that drugs must be illegal.
I carry drugs with me everywhere
Allopurinol for my Gout
Metformin for my Diabetes
Losartan for my high blood pressure
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I don't include my prescription drugs in discussions about protecting my money.
August 19th, 2022 at 4:07:21 PM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonI often wondered why you stopped practicing law and didnt continue with an estate practice as many senior attorneys do. Were you forced out of the legal profession because of the drugs?
Alan, I voluntarily retired.
While I have drafted many wills and probated many estates I've no desire to continue practicing in any capacity: forty years was enough.
Besides, to me it was just a job, not an identity; an interesting job and pretty profitable, but hey, I made my pile and no longer need to work.
Social Security helps, but my lifestyle and spending habits are such that I should have no worries about money even without it..
And no, I was not disbarred, nor did I resign in lieu; nor have I had any founded bar complaints.
"What, me worry?"
August 19th, 2022 at 4:31:07 PM
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MrV good to know you're okay.
I hope your recreational drug use is limited and controlled.
I hope your recreational drug use is limited and controlled.
August 19th, 2022 at 5:37:56 PM
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Warning: Posts about gout, diet, Mr. V's former law practice, etc. are all off-topic as this is a thread about rules, suspensions, etc. Please stop hijacking this thread guys.
Although I admit that the gout discussion was kinda interesting.
Although I admit that the gout discussion was kinda interesting.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
August 19th, 2022 at 6:42:54 PM
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This thread will be one year old in 3 days.
August 19th, 2022 at 9:44:47 PM
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The gout persisted, and the surgery was mostly successful.
Those looking for gout may find it here.
Those looking for gout may find it here.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 30th, 2022 at 11:53:42 PM
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Quote: MrVQuote: UP84Simple. Importing drama from other forums is suspendible behavior, and has been enforced before. On 6/10/22 a member was suspended for just such an offense. This example is particularly blatent.
Oh?
I just reviewed all twenty forum rules and I saw no such rule.
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This seemed a more suitable place to reply, rather than hijacking the original thread with a rules discussion.
There are more than twenty forum rules. (The "New Testament" adds to, but as far as I know does not entirely replace the "Old Testament". Scroll up.)
Imported drama does not currently seem to be explicitly listed as a rule violation.
Imported drama would generally seem to contradict one or more of Rules 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 11, 12, 16, 17, 19, 0 (unnumbered, just before 1), or JB.3 (spam).
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 31st, 2022 at 9:11:12 AM
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I assume Wizard is at Burning Man?
Anyway, when he returns he may sort out all of this with regards to AxelWolf. I request that the other Mods do nothing until then, which day by day AxelWolf is hanging himself further anyway with his tirade against MDawg.
Anyway, when he returns he may sort out all of this with regards to AxelWolf. I request that the other Mods do nothing until then, which day by day AxelWolf is hanging himself further anyway with his tirade against MDawg.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 31st, 2022 at 10:15:07 PM
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User ID FictionLover has been nuked as a sock of KewlJ
KewlJ was previously a 'resigned member' with the right to return.
He is now permanently nuked for creating this sock.
All of Fiction Lover's content has been removed. That entailed redacting the posts of members in good standing, where they had quoted that content.
KewlJ was previously a 'resigned member' with the right to return.
He is now permanently nuked for creating this sock.
All of Fiction Lover's content has been removed. That entailed redacting the posts of members in good standing, where they had quoted that content.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
August 31st, 2022 at 10:24:08 PM
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What a giant step down for Kewlj.
August 31st, 2022 at 10:27:59 PM
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It will save him from ever having to decide if he wants to post again.Quote: AlanMendelsonWhat a giant step down for Kewlj.
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Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 1st, 2022 at 3:48:15 AM
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Quote: OnceDearIt will save him from ever having to decide if he wants to post again.Quote: AlanMendelsonWhat a giant step down for Kewlj.
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Not even close to accurate. He will post again whenever he wants by making a new sock puppet.
September 1st, 2022 at 4:41:49 AM
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yet another person who could have come back but instead makes a sock and is now perma-banned.Quote: OnceDearUser ID FictionLover has been nuked as a sock of KewlJ
KewlJ was previously a 'resigned member' with the right to return.
He is now permanently nuked for creating this sock.
All of Fiction Lover's content has been removed. That entailed redacting the posts of members in good standing, where they had quoted that content.
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don't remember the other person?
Last edited by: 100xOdds on Sep 1, 2022
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
September 1st, 2022 at 4:50:15 AM
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Quote: 100xOddsyet another person who could have come back makes a sock and is now perma-banned.Quote: OnceDearUser ID FictionLover has been nuked as a sock of KewlJ
KewlJ was previously a 'resigned member' with the right to return.
He is now permanently nuked for creating this sock.
All of Fiction Lover's content has been removed. That entailed redacting the posts of members in good standing, where they had quoted that content.
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don't remember the other person?
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It can be hard to keep all the names straight.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 1st, 2022 at 11:43:20 AM
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Quote: AlanMendelsonWhat a giant step down for Kewlj.
He's made it clear he isn't happy with the "direction" (for lack of a better word) this forum has veered off towards over the past few years; regular forum members know exactly what and why.
I suspect he set the sock up expecting to be nuked.
"What, me worry?"
September 1st, 2022 at 2:34:30 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: 100xOddsyet another person who could have come back makes a sock and is now perma-banned.Quote: OnceDearUser ID FictionLover has been nuked as a sock of KewlJ
KewlJ was previously a 'resigned member' with the right to return.
He is now permanently nuked for creating this sock.
All of Fiction Lover's content has been removed. That entailed redacting the posts of members in good standing, where they had quoted that content.
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don't remember the other person?
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It can be hard to keep all the names straight.
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I think Monet?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
September 2nd, 2022 at 4:34:22 AM
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some low-life has tainted Moses obituary with grossly inappropriate posts on what is effectively a eulogy forum. The low-life posted with identities of kewlj and mdawg, though there is no reason to believe that it was those two people that posted there.Quote: MDawgI assume Wizard is at Burning Man?
Anyway, when he returns he may sort out all of this with regards to AxelWolf. I request that the other Mods do nothing until then, which day by day AxelWolf is hanging himself further anyway with his tirade against MDawg.
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AxelWolf brought it to our attention here and passed comment. Personally, I believe that Moses eulogy is of interest to us here.and does not constitute 'importing drama'. This has been discussed between the moderators here and we concur.
Wizard is away at the moment. Mdawg seems to be lobbying for him to deal with AxelWolf. He's also asking the other mods to not act....
Well fact is, we do not act where we do not see a reason to act. We see no reason to act in this instance. We are not delaying. We are not waiting for Wizards return.
If Wizard is a swayed to overRule us, that is his prerogative, but he has our opinions.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 2nd, 2022 at 8:06:20 AM
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I'm not the one who brought it up and posted the link here in the first place.Quote: OnceDearsome low-life has tainted Moses obituary with grossly inappropriate posts on what is effectively a eulogy forum. The low-life posted with identities of kewlj and mdawg, though there is no reason to believe that it was those two people that posted there.Quote: MDawgI assume Wizard is at Burning Man?
Anyway, when he returns he may sort out all of this with regards to AxelWolf. I request that the other Mods do nothing until then, which day by day AxelWolf is hanging himself further anyway with his tirade against MDawg.
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AxelWolf brought it to our attention here and passed comment. Personally, I believe that Moses eulogy is of interest to us here.and does not constitute 'importing drama'. This has been discussed between the moderators here and we concur.
Wizard is away at the moment. Mdawg seems to be lobbying for him to deal with AxelWolf. He's also asking the other mods to not act....
Well fact is, we do not act where we do not see a reason to act. We see no reason to act in this instance. We are not delaying. We are not waiting for Wizards return.
If Wizard is a swayed to overRule us, that is his prerogative, but he has our opinions.
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 2nd, 2022 at 9:00:51 AM
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Acknowledged. My post was in error on that point.Quote: AxelWolfI'm not the one who brought it up and posted the link here in the first place.
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There is currently no intention to suspend MDawg for importing drama, nor for Doxxing Moses.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 2nd, 2022 at 9:12:06 AM
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If AxelWolf would just READ before he posts, most of what he posts would make more sense. How are we supposed to know if he is trolling, being deliberately obtuse or just doesn't know what is going on when he makes these sorts of posts? OnceDear you knew what was going on and you're much less involved with these other forums than AxelWolf is.
Bringing Moses' obituary here wasn't the problem. Accusing me and a banned member of making negative posts on it was the problem, especially when it was instantly known by everyone else on the internet that the posts were made by an imposter.
Just for example a lightbulb just went off and AxelWolf posts about how Wizard must be at Burning Man? I posted about that days ago. If AxelWolf is reading my content that carelessly how is he even qualified to comment on it? I recall that he admitted once that he barely scans 1/3 of whatever is posted here. As such, no wonder he comes off with hypotheses that make no sense about what is or what isn't going on. The reason I don't always bother to comment on what AWolf has to say, is because it's obvious to me that he is reacting to something he barely read, or to events that everyone else already knows did not happen.
Bringing Moses' obituary here wasn't the problem. Accusing me and a banned member of making negative posts on it was the problem, especially when it was instantly known by everyone else on the internet that the posts were made by an imposter.
Just for example a lightbulb just went off and AxelWolf posts about how Wizard must be at Burning Man? I posted about that days ago. If AxelWolf is reading my content that carelessly how is he even qualified to comment on it? I recall that he admitted once that he barely scans 1/3 of whatever is posted here. As such, no wonder he comes off with hypotheses that make no sense about what is or what isn't going on. The reason I don't always bother to comment on what AWolf has to say, is because it's obvious to me that he is reacting to something he barely read, or to events that everyone else already knows did not happen.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 2nd, 2022 at 9:56:47 AM
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Quote: MDawg... OnceDear you knew what was going on and you're much less involved with these other forums than AxelWolf is.
... Accusing me and a banned member of making negative posts on it was the problem, especially when it was instantly known by everyone else on the internet that the posts were made by an imposter.
...
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That eulogy forum had at least two wholly inappropriate posts, from two user ID's on that forum. The user ID's were MDawg and KewlJ.. On that forum, in that context, in that namespace, those members were low-life scum. We can surely agree that?
That the forum SEEMS to allow duplicate user ID's is noteworthy and unfortunate.
MDawg and KewlJ on that forum may or may not be the Mdawg and KewlJ that we are familiar with. I see no evidence, either way. I SEEK no such evidence. We don't moderate that forum, and sad as it may be, that forum might not be moderated or policed by anyone. I don't know any rule anywhere that stops ANYone presenting themselves as MDawg or KewlJ. Maybe you guys can trademark your anonymous user ID's?
If anyone has issues with that eulogy forum, take it to the administrators there.
Not our problem. Not Wizard's problem when he returns
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 2nd, 2022 at 10:00:56 AM
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Quote: OnceDearNot our problem.
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That's the whole point and what UP84 was saying. AxelWolf should not have imported that drama about those posts here.
The obituary was not the problem, drawing attention to those imposter posts was.
And my point is that AWolf doesn't care, which is why he continues to bring up crap that happened or supposedly happened outside the WOV forum. Look how much time he is wasting by directing us to even discuss those imposter posts, or anything else that happened outside WOV.
A forum member DIED. Bringing that fact up to the forum is one thing, and then trying to make a spectacle of what someone posted on his obituary wall is another matter.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 2nd, 2022 at 10:37:02 AM
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Actually, I seem to find myself wasting spending time dealing with complaints and requests from MDawg.Quote: MDawgQuote: OnceDearNot our problem.
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That's the whole point and what UP84 was saying. AxelWolf should not have imported that drama about those posts here.
The obituary was not the problem, drawing attention to those imposter posts was.
And my point is that AWolf doesn't care, which is why he continues to bring up crap that happened or supposedly happened outside the WOV forum. Look how much time he is wasting by directing us to even discuss those imposter posts, or anything else that happened outside WOV.
A forum member DIED. Bringing that fact up to the forum is one thing, and then trying to make a spectacle of what someone posted on his obituary wall is another matter.
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I thank Mdawg for bringing issues to our attention ONCE. Discussion terminated.
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 18th, 2022 at 12:33:40 PM
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It's all right to insult a person who is not a WOV member (as long as the discussion doesn't get into religion or politics). This would include then, a nuked WOV member?
So, I may insult Steeven the blog spammer, at will? As well as his nuked brethren.
So, I may insult Steeven the blog spammer, at will? As well as his nuked brethren.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 18th, 2022 at 1:00:53 PM
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Quote: MDawgIt's all right to insult a person who is not a WOV member (as long as the discussion doesn't get into religion or politics). This would include then, a nuked WOV member?
So, I may insult Steeven the blog spammer, at will? As well as his nuked brethren.
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I believe the precedent is to not badmouth forum members who are unable to respond in kind, due to various reasons, including permanent or temporary ban.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 18th, 2022 at 3:17:59 PM
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The rule itself refers to not insulting forum members or their family members. Which is why, for example, we are able to insult outsiders who have never been forum members. Once a forum member is nuked he ceases to be a forum member and would not I believe be covered by this rule.
The policy is the no personal insults policy, where: If you disagree with another forum member, politely attack the writing, not the writer. This policy also applies to family members of forum members, but is considered a more severe infraction, especially female family members.
Someone was once insulting SlotGirl with a post and then it was pointed out that this was impermissible as she was a member "in good standing" even though she had not been online in years, so the "good standing" part definitely seems to be a condition precedent to the insult rule.
As far as that the suspended cannot speak during their suspensions, this has always been brought up in the context of that we should wait until the member returns, before we comment on his content or actions. A nuked member is never returning, so asking us to not insult him or comment on his past posts at WOV would be the same I think as asking us not to talk about him at all ever, and it is specifically allowed to quote anything a past nuked member has said at the forum - it is just not okay to import to the forum anything new a nuked member has said outside the WOV because If we ban somebody it means we don't want to hear from them any longer.
I think the logical conclusion is that permanently banned members become akin to non-forum members, with no rights or privileges to cause any member in good standing to be suspended for commentary directed at them, so long as it isn't a means to slip in anything new they might have said somewhere. To not allow insults against permanently banned members "because they are suspended" would lead to the absurd result of not being able to speak about or comment about permanently banned members, or their past WOV content, period.
The policy is the no personal insults policy, where: If you disagree with another forum member, politely attack the writing, not the writer. This policy also applies to family members of forum members, but is considered a more severe infraction, especially female family members.
Someone was once insulting SlotGirl with a post and then it was pointed out that this was impermissible as she was a member "in good standing" even though she had not been online in years, so the "good standing" part definitely seems to be a condition precedent to the insult rule.
As far as that the suspended cannot speak during their suspensions, this has always been brought up in the context of that we should wait until the member returns, before we comment on his content or actions. A nuked member is never returning, so asking us to not insult him or comment on his past posts at WOV would be the same I think as asking us not to talk about him at all ever, and it is specifically allowed to quote anything a past nuked member has said at the forum - it is just not okay to import to the forum anything new a nuked member has said outside the WOV because If we ban somebody it means we don't want to hear from them any longer.
I think the logical conclusion is that permanently banned members become akin to non-forum members, with no rights or privileges to cause any member in good standing to be suspended for commentary directed at them, so long as it isn't a means to slip in anything new they might have said somewhere. To not allow insults against permanently banned members "because they are suspended" would lead to the absurd result of not being able to speak about or comment about permanently banned members, or their past WOV content, period.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 18th, 2022 at 4:54:01 PM
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The error in your position is the assumption that Nuked always means forever. Besides, I don’t like the idea of someone being Nuked being carte blanche to say whatever a person wants about them.
Just my opinion, which is irrelevant, as I am a Member just like you are.
Just my opinion, which is irrelevant, as I am a Member just like you are.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
September 18th, 2022 at 5:32:14 PM
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Quote: DieterQuote: MDawgIt's all right to insult a person who is not a WOV member (as long as the discussion doesn't get into religion or politics). This would include then, a nuked WOV member?
So, I may insult Steeven the blog spammer, at will? As well as his nuked brethren.
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I believe the precedent is to not badmouth forum members who are unable to respond in kind, due to various reasons, including permanent or temporary ban.
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I find this precedent where Wizard is quoted on the subject of 'insult protection'
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/585/#post452218
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B79 is no longer a member so no longer has insult protection.
However, I cannot confirm that that reflects current policy. It may be, and I believe that it is so, that the change to the personal insults rule supersedes that.
We can maybe hold back from insulting ANYONE until Wizard comes back to remind us of the latest situation.
Rule 1 has the clear, complete and explicit sentence "Absolutely no personal insults."
Rule 12 also reminds us " Members are expected to act like ladies and gentlemen."
Psalm 25:16
Turn to me and be gracious to me, for I am lonely and afflicted.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool finds no satisfaction in trying to understand, for he would rather express his own opinion.
September 18th, 2022 at 5:45:33 PM
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If you really want to insult somome, then insult them. Don't be all worried about getting a meaningless suspension.
It's hard to believe someone living the high roller life and consistently taking the casinos down for hundreds of thousands would be worried about getting a suspension at WOV.
It's hard to believe someone living the high roller life and consistently taking the casinos down for hundreds of thousands would be worried about getting a suspension at WOV.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 18th, 2022 at 6:14:57 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfIf you really want to insult somome, then insult them. Don't be all worried about getting a meaningless suspension.
It's hard to believe someone living the high roller life and consistently taking the casinos down for hundreds of thousands would be worried about getting a suspension at WOV.
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And can't he insult carte blanche at that other forum? Or did they change their rules as well?
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 18th, 2022 at 6:22:11 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfIt's hard to believe someone living the high roller life and consistently taking the casinos down for hundreds of thousands would be worried about getting a suspension at WOV.
Do you seriously believe his claims?
I don't: his bloviated posts seem to be those of just another attention seeker.
Gotta wonder exactly what, if anything, he's got on the Wiz that seems to insulate him?
Could be the NDA.
I mean, who wouldn't be afraid of being sued for violating a NDA by someone who apparently will stop at nothing in pursuit of his agenda, whatever the hell it may be?
I blocked him long ago but as they say "A tiger doesn't change its stripes."
"What, me worry?"
September 18th, 2022 at 7:12:45 PM
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I have no I dea, I haven't really been reading or participating elsewhere as of late.Quote: darkozQuote: AxelWolfIf you really want to insult somome, then insult them. Don't be all worried about getting a meaningless suspension.
It's hard to believe someone living the high roller life and consistently taking the casinos down for hundreds of thousands would be worried about getting a suspension at WOV.
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And can't he insult carte blanche at that other forum? Or did they change their rules as well?
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 18th, 2022 at 7:15:05 PM
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Quote: OnceDear
Quote: Wizard
B79 is no longer a member so no longer has insult protection.
However, I cannot confirm that that reflects current policy. It may be, and I believe that it is so, that the change to the personal insults rule supersedes that.
We can maybe hold back from insulting ANYONE until Wizard comes back to remind us of the latest situation.
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No hurry, we may ask him.
The rule is not "absolutely no personal insults" because members insult non-members every now and then with impunity. That appears to be merely a heading to the rule, provided for ease of reference.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 18th, 2022 at 7:16:15 PM
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You darn well know I don't believe most of it. I may believe 20% of it. I have always maintained I believe there's something else going on.Quote: MrVQuote: AxelWolfIt's hard to believe someone living the high roller life and consistently taking the casinos down for hundreds of thousands would be worried about getting a suspension at WOV.
Do you seriously believe his claims?
I don't: his bloviated posts seem to be those of just another attention seeker.
Gotta wonder exactly what, if anything, he's got on the Wiz that seems to insulate him?
Could be the NDA.
I mean, who wouldn't be afraid of being sued for violating a NDA by someone who apparently will stop at nothing in pursuit of his agenda, whatever the hell it may be?
I blocked him long ago but as they say "A tiger doesn't change its stripes."
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 18th, 2022 at 7:20:36 PM
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Without rules there is of course, anarchy.
There is another rule the Wizard has repeated more than once, including lately.
There is another rule the Wizard has repeated more than once, including lately.
Quote: WizardLet me remind the forum that quoting from other forums is not allowed.
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Quote: WizardAs a reminder, quoting from other forums is against the rules here. If one does quote another forum member, please use the exact words and a link to the original post in this forum.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 18th, 2022 at 7:23:21 PM
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FYI there is ZERO chance Bob can correctly guess something random that normally has a 48% chance of hitting at an 80% success rate over 500 trials.Quote: MrV
Obviously, it's not literally a zero chance, but close enough, you get my point.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
