Quote: TwoFeathersATLHi BABBs. You sound like you know much more about the Union movement and Union organization than I do. It's really only come up in my life a couple of times. I was conflicted, I sought some universal truth, I needed help I didn't find.Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: 100xOddsQuote: ChesterDog
Here's a link.
good job strikers.
im sure they learned their lesson.
what the hell was the Union thinking?!
Icahn is at least in the top 5, if not the biggest union buster of the past 40 years. This has all been kabuki theater.
This is all out of the playbook he helped write.
Screw your employees by negotiated cuts to stay open.
Screw them again thru bankruptcy court with involuntary cuts.
Yet again by promising a cash infusion that never comes, leaving a deteriorated mess.
And again by not offering parity in the area.
Take years to do all this to your employees, leading them on with garbage promises and false hopes.
Then oh my, they walk. What took them so long? He wanted them to walk 2 years ago , and they were too stubborn to go. But finally, they do, and now it's all their fault.
All out of the book. I'll try and find the title if anyone's interested. It's a nasty book. But then, he's a nasty guy.
I finally settled on a couple points, just with myself.
- if you get a Union as an organization you prolly deserve one you dumb ahole. Now trying to be smart after the fact? Good luck with that.
- gov't employees should not be allowed to unionize, period. Don't like that? Work in the private sector.
I hung with the sector control FAA strikers back in 1980 (?) in Miami.
Good dudes, bad choices.
Treat your employees right, they will not feel a need to unionize.
Treat your employees wrong, they unionize and both sides lose, yes both sides.
In a competitive free capitalist marketplace there is simply not room for the 'costs' of a union while you attempt to remain competitive in the marketplace. The company will die, the industry may die.
Put unions in government workers?
You finish the thought. Finish it any way that floats your boat.
You got no boat?
The part where unions and I part ways are in protecting bad employees. Which is why I never did the labor side. I'd tell them they'd screwed up and we'd protect their rights during the process, but not protect them from the rightful repercussions of their actions.
So I did the other stuff. Training, equipment, requirements, procedures, lobbying Congress, safety rep, natl liaison. I refused to get on a desk and scream at a manager for doing their job. Which I saw others do many times.
But, yeah. I spent a lot of time working for my union. The parts I believed in, like collective bargaining and fair process.
This is how you bust unions. Close down, then reopen later under a new name with new employees. Nothing new here.
I thought the Detroit way was just to get a government taxpayer funded bailout?
That was an extremely depressing property the past few years. 2/3 of the storefronts dark, ridiculously oversized check-in for their current crowds, someone like me getting a suite (that was in terrible shape), the place definitely showed its age. I would have loved to see it in its hayday.
I had 2 conventions at ShowBoat right next door in 1997, could call it the heyday. It was busy but nothing in AC was impressive after I had seen Vegas.
AC really cannot be saved.
Should they close, any predictions to which casino gets the majority of Taj's 17mil monthly win?
Is Bally's still across the Boardwalk?
The Borgata, Harrah's, and Golden nugget are on the Bay, which is a about 10 minute drive from the boardwalk.
Closing in October from a confirmed source
Wanted to close earlier but have to give the workers 60 days by law. You know, protect those who walked out and left the owner with little choice.