Discussion II about the Suspension List
Quote: JoemanI'm pretty sure that they can edit/remove any non-mod posts. I'd imagine they could suspend accounts as well.
They could also Edit/Remove the posts of other Mods, but they wouldn't be Secret Mods for very much longer if they did that.
Quote: gamerfreakMy understanding has always been that they are there to help clean up spam posts, but otherwise don’t want to be identified as a mod.
To narrow it down, I took a few screenshots a year or two ago when I noticed some spam posts getting nuked, yet no mods were online. I think I know who one is, but didn’t really bother investigating much.
If it was mostly Spam threads disappearing, it was probably me.
ADDED: I'm not really a, 'Secret Mod,' though because I freely admit that I have the ability to edit/delete posts. But, that's the only thing I do aside from banning spammers. You could straight cuss someone out and I would take no action and also not PM a Moderator about it because it is none of my business or concern. I also can edit articles, which most other mods could not do...and that's even if they knew WHERE you go to do that...which they probably don't. There was no easy way to strip me of the ability to edit/delete posts without also stripping me of the ability to edit articles. But, there are some things that Greenies can do (seeing IP addresses is one example) that I can no longer do.
Who is serin2 ? Is this from long ago or from the last four months.
He seemed polite enough but did seem to know his way around the forum too well.
You might know him better as serin. Booted for joining and immediately dissing the moderation here. I suspected he was a sock even then. There are others in my cross hairs with similar characteristics.Quote: MDawg
Who is serin2 ? Is this from long ago or from the last four months.
He seemed polite enough but did seem to know his way around the forum too well.
Quote: gordonm888What does a secret moderator do? Just alert a non-secret moderator when there is a problem? I mean, that's kind of bogus, isn't it?
I think I have asked this same question when this was brought up before.
I don’t see the point because all posts are public.
I guess maybe secret mods can "sting" people trying to sell some kind of system or player card via PM? But even that is a stretch....
Quote: billryanI don't have a problem with secret mods, and I enjoy Missions posts, but when someone resigns as a mod after a very public discussion and is made a secret moderator, the whole process stinks.
I mentioned in the thread where I resigned that I'd still have edit privileges, I'm pretty sure.
It would, but that hasn't happened!Quote: billryan... when someone resigns as a mod after a very public discussion and is made a secret moderator, the whole process stinks.
As mission has explained, he retains certain mod powers because it's technically difficult to remove them while he retains the powers to create and edit articles, something that he did/does on a paid basis.
I'm not aware of Mission using any moderator priv's since he resigned that roll. I've not even known him to PM any other mod with concerns about any post or member.
Quote: OnceDearIt would, but that hasn't happened!
As mission has explained, he retains certain mod powers because it's technically difficult to remove them while he retains the powers to create and edit articles, something that he did/does on a paid basis.
I'm not aware of Mission using any moderator priv's since he resigned that roll. I've not even known him to PM any other mod with concerns about any post or member.
That's correct, and I'm pretty sure I mentioned it more than once before. The only Moderator privilege I use is that I delete blatant spam and ban the spammer simply because there is no reason to let Spam stay up. I sometimes don't even do that because I don't notice it all, due to not reading every thread.
But, if there are six threads on the Recent Threads list all created by the same new user and they are all Spamming, I should hope that nobody would take exception to my deleting those. Honestly, if it was just one and the thread title didn't interest me, I probably wouldn't notice it.
Quote: billryanSo there are Secret Administrators as well as Secret Mods?
???
What would the difference be? Everything is called an Administrator, "Moderator," is just the term used by most websites. They're interchangeable.
Basically, the site has Administrators (Green), Secret Administrators (blue and do Moderation) and then me who has moderator capabilities and does not use them except for article-related stuff and to delete spam.
I assure you, I actually wanted all of my Moderation powers stripped EXCEPT for articles, but there's no easy way to do that. That being the case, there's no logical reason why I shouldn't delete a group of Spam threads and delete the Spammer, if I happen to see them. I can stop Nuking Spam if you really want me to.
I don't even know what that means. There are moderators who are described in some places as 'administrator', whose Id shows as green.Quote: billryanSo there are Secret Administrators as well as Secret Mods?
I understand that there MAY BE different ranks of administrators who MAY have greater permissions such as promoting members to admins, There are some techy guys with zod only knows what privs: They will be able to access servers through terminal windows.
There's Mission146 who has certain editing priv's and doesnt show as green and there are a small number of secret mods, who have enhanced privs but show as blue.
And there are members. The most important role of all $:o)
Oh. And there are non-members and ex-members.
So, it would be a less than a minute process turned into probably a day or more. That is why it was important that I keep article editing permissions. I also wouldn't have to copy/paste anything, because I can make the edit directly on the backdoor page.
I'm pretty certain he was a victim the way con artists do to use unsuspecting accomplices.
And the public discussion over why he resigned had to do with me so I feel in this case my opinion is stronger
Quote: darkozLet it be said I have no problem with Mission as a mod or secret mod.
I'm pretty certain he was a victim the way con artists do to use unsuspecting accomplices.
And the public discussion over why he resigned had to do with me so I feel in this case my opinion is stronger
Thanks for saying so, but I'm neither a mod or a secret mod. If I were a secret mod, then I'm doing a really terrible job at it. In any event, if BillRyan or anyone has a problem with me deleting blatant spam posts and banning the spammer, then I'll stop doing it. It honestly makes no difference to me whether I do it or not, just trying to keep the Recent Threads list tidy.
Quote: JoemanI'm pretty sure that they can edit/remove any non-mod posts. I'd imagine they could suspend accounts as well.
They can do all the same things a full moderator can do. They only difference is their forum name is in blue.
Quote: Mission146Another thing, which some people might consider obvious: Were I a Secret Administrator, I would not post that I have moderation abilities.
You were the one who brought up Secret Administrators.
Quote: Mission146Thanks for saying so, but I'm neither a mod or a secret mod. If I were a secret mod, then I'm doing a really terrible job at it. In any event, if BillRyan or anyone has a problem with me deleting blatant spam posts and banning the spammer, then I'll stop doing it. It honestly makes no difference to me whether I do it or not, just trying to keep the Recent Threads list tidy.
I don't like the fact that there are secret moderators, or administrators, or prize patrol participants. Mike does, and it's his bat and ball.
Mission was one of my favorite moderators, but I think he did the right thing by resigning.
Quote: billryanYou were the one who brought up Secret Administrators.
No, I didn't. Someone asked why there are Secret Administrators and I answered it to the best of my knowledge.
Quote: billryanI don't like the fact that there are secret moderators, or administrators, or prize patrol participants. Mike does, and it's his bat and ball.
Mission was one of my favorite moderators, but I think he did the right thing by resigning.
Thanks for saying so! In any case, I wouldn't even think of me as a Secret Admin if I were you. I literally do nothing Administratively and have no input except to delete spam. Just yesterday, someone posted the same question in seven or eight different threads and I did nothing about it. I even answered him in one of the threads just to be cute.
Quote: Mission146No, I didn't. Someone asked why there are Secret Administrators and I answered it to the best of my knowledge.
Not really. We were discussing Secret Mods and you referenced Secret Mods several times and then said you were not a Secret Administrator. You later clarified they were interchangeable terms, but your original post made it seem like a different layer of bureaucracy .
1. Secret moderators are not only allowed to lie about being one, they are expected to.
2. That purpose of that position is mostly a stepping stone to being a full green moderator. However, some have never asked for that promotion. Greens are held to a higher standard and I think some secret mods don't want to be held to it.
Quote: billryanNot really. We were discussing Secret Mods and you referenced Secret Mods several times and then said you were not a Secret Administrator. You later clarified they were interchangeable terms, but your original post made it seem like a different layer of bureaucracy .
I fail to see how that constitutes, “Bringing it up,” when my original presence in this thread was to answer the question of why there are Secret Administrators, but whatever you like.
In fact, the ONLY reason that I brought up the moderation abilities that I retained is BECAUSE it seemed proper to disclose them (again) if I’m even going to be talking about Secret Admins. IOW, I brought it up specifically because I’m doing the exact opposite of trying to hide it.
Mission, please don't alter what you do because one member objects to it. Remember that in any large group there will almost always be people who are very negative and critical about almost everything & everyone around them. Just consider such negative people to be part of "life's rich pageant," and move forward with confidence that almost everyone else respects you greatly.
Quote: gordonm888Just want to voice strong support for Mission in whatever role he wants to play.
Mission, please don't alter what you do because one member objects to it. Remember that in any large group there will almost always be people who are very negative and critical about almost everything & everyone around them. Just consider such negative people to be part of "life's rich pageant," and move forward with confidence that almost everyone else respects you greatly.
Thanks for the support!
I’m not really worried about it, as to the rest. If even one person objects to me deleting spam, then I’ll stop doing it. I’m not doing it for my sake, so it doesn’t really matter to me whether I do it or not. Thanks again for your kind words!
Quote: Mission146If even one person objects to me deleting spam, then I’ll stop doing it. I’m not doing it for my sake, so it doesn’t really matter to me whether I do it or not. Thanks again for your kind words!
THIS is what I don't get about you! If 99 out of 100 members are HAPPY you still delete spam, but one fringe jerk doesn't want you to clear the junk, why would you let the the one jerk prevent you from helping out the entire forum? If I were in your shoes I would do what was best for the forum, unless Wiz or BBB or OD told me not to. At a minimum, before I stopped doing the noble work that you have been thanklessly doing, I'd ask a greenie if they wanted me to stop.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/5288-suspension-list/#post71165
Maybe not so lenient next time.
I thought you were going to say that he's Serin. Seems that most everyone is, these days.
To say that no one in the WOV Forum is as good at combination math as he is - without even having a sense of who is who in this forum - is regrettable. (I am picking my words carefully, so that I don't insult UsPaperGames and get banned myself!)
I guess you have not been paying attention to some of the other BS'ers on the forum🤐 .Quote: gordonm888USPaperGames' posts are the most arrogant posts I have ever seen in this forum.
This is how he behaves after I refrained from martingaling his 2nd offence to 7 days.
14 days rather than the usual 7 for abusing my leniency. Next similar infraction likely to be a nuke.
Even this one might be increased to nuke if other mods object.
Quote: OnceDearUSPapergames suspension refreshed and extended to 14 days for coming back as a sock 'MadMath' and using that sock to rant.
This is how he behaves after I refrained from martingaling his 2nd offence to 7 days.
14 days rather than the usual 7 for abusing my leniency. Next similar infraction likely to be a nuke.
Even this one might be increased to nuke if other mods object.
Multiple accounts should automatically be a nuke.
We don’t need more Nathans stinking the place up.
Thanks for your feedback.Quote: ams288Multiple accounts should automatically be a nuke.
We don’t need more Nathans stinking the place up.
I certainly agree with the 2nd sentence.
Still, it was only three days. He could have said whatever he had to say after three days. Three days is nothing. I was gone four months and after about a month I stopped even viewing this forum for any reason.
Quote: MDawgHe didn't try to hide his identity though.
Still, it was only three days. He could have said whatever he had to say after three days. Three days is nothing. I was gone four months and after about a month I stopped even viewing this forum for any reason.
Not to call you out but you stopped viewing this forum and magically knew the exact day your suspension was lifted?
It's not always precise especially after 4 months when the mods are more forgetful.
Something tells me you were checking at least every day in July.
Go ahead you can tell us. I admit to doing the same when I get suspended
As I've also mentioned, there's really no need to even read this forum if not participating in it. Those other sites I was participating in give a decent play by play summary in their "WOV threads." You know this - you've been on the other sites too.
Quote: MDawgNo I put it on my calendar long ago. 🤓 About a week before, the Wizard and I emailed each other and shot the breeze a bit.
As I've also mentioned, there's really no need to even read this forum if not participating in it. Those other sites I was participating in give a decent play by play summary in their "WOV threads." You know this - you've been on the other sites too.
Okay fair enough.
I do admit to checking my status though when suspended. Nothing wrong with it imo.
As for WOV summaries like...
"Dark is a piece of *#$&&". He just claimed he did xyz play which is total BS(spelled out naturally)"
And "Hey I see KJ post on WOV now, he is such a (insert male rooster name here)"
If you count that as daily WOV summaries then you are about right
(No offense to KJ intended but I do see they talk about him and me mostly.)
Quote: MDawg
As I've also mentioned, there's really no need to even read this forum if not participating in it.
Sadly. that seems to be becoming true. There used to be a lot of good posts that could educate people about gambling and AP. It seems this forum has become a lot more social with very little gambling discussions anymore.
Quote: MDawgO.
I thought you were going to say that he's Serin. Seems that most everyone is, these days.
who is Serin?
the suspension list doesnt list him
Quote: DRichSadly. that seems to be becoming true. There used to be a lot of good posts that could educate people about gambling and AP. It seems this forum has become a lot more social with very little gambling discussions anymore.
When someone posts really informative AP info (like myself) they get excoriated
Tell, main participants - you each get two more posts to argue, so make them good, because any more after that, you get an automatic 7 days ban.
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It's an idea, so I'll think about it. But sometimes, threads drift off topic and it's difficult and can be harsh to impose penalties for what is little more than conversational drift, Main participants in a topic violation are not always clearly defined. I prefer not to suspend for such events if they can be steered back. Indeed, I prefer not to suspend, period. Less is more.Quote: rxwinea Suggestion for handling off topic violations, particularly when they're gambling related.
Tell, main participants - you each get two more posts to argue, so make them good, because any more after that, you get an automatic 7 days ban.
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In that case, you should give me all your money.Quote: OnceDear. Less is more.
Wouldn't want to ruin your life!Quote: AxelWolfIn that case, you should give me all your money.
I do owe you a beer for introducing me to the Z-snap.
Quote: Mission146Does anybody know why BillRyan was banned? I looked at a few of his recent posts and nothing jumped out at me.
I saw a few insults imo thrown by him this last week.
That might be it
