Discussion II about the Suspension List
Quote: FinsRuleSo he’s suspended for what most would define as trolling, but if you call him a troll, it’s a personal insult, right?
Ain’t the rules a fickle thing?
Quote: gamerfreakThe rules here are very straightforward. It’s not difficult to remain in good standing.
I’d say 90% of the bans are regular posters who know they crossed the line and expect the timeout.
Thank you!!! It is nice to get some rare support. I'd say the ratio of complaints to compliments of forum management is about 100 to 1.
Quote: PokerGrinderAin’t the rules a fickle thing?
Schrodinger's troll?
redactedQuote: beachbumbabsThere were, in fact, several mild personal insults in the Darkoz thread. And the mischief was deliberate, as EB said. He killed the one thread by hijack, and looked for another to disrupt, found it, was well on the way to another hijack. He's also quite aware of the quote format rules, but was mixing quotes, truncating, and misquoting. So I obliged him and gave him the time out. 7 Days was kind.
Quote: WizardThank you!!! It is nice to get some rare support. I'd say the ratio of complaints to compliments of forum management is about 100 to 1.
For what it's worth I think all of you do a great job. I imagine it's not too different from parenting a bunch of unruly toddlers at times, but hey, we try to play nice here.
Quote: WizardThank you!!! It is nice to get some rare support. I'd say the ratio of complaints to compliments of forum management is about 100 to 1.
It's your playground and you get to write and change the rules at will. And I would say that over nine years the forum has seen alot of phases. What has remained fairly consistent are the codes of conduct and I congratulate the owner and mods for that. Between face, OD, BBB and others, they have tried to keep a modicum of respect.
As for politics there are good conversations to be had with people who have open minds. This issue forum that is supposed to be about all things gambling and Las Vegas. The political threads garner visits and hits which is good for Google results and overall traffic.
What is common about the political threads is that they are inhabited by people who also contribute to other threads related to gambling. I suspect that if a bunch of people joined the forum just to post politics the threads might get shut down.
Quote: WizardThank you!!! It is nice to get some rare support. I'd say the ratio of complaints to compliments of forum management is about 100 to 1.
Add one more compliment to the list. That makes it 100 to 2
Quote: WizardThank you!!! It is nice to get some rare support. I'd say the ratio of complaints to compliments of forum management is about 100 to 1.
Have you been working out?
Your forum, your rules...
Quote: RonCI don't see EB's suspension as anything more than being tired of him staying close to the edge of the rules long enough to decide to use a cumulative approach to suspend him. We'll see where it goes from here because his posting style has been the same for a long time.
Your forum, your rules...
EB trolls and hijacks threads, I’m honestly surprised that he hasn’t been suspended earlier. Btw I didn’t request his suspension.
You demanded it.Quote: PokerGrinderEB trolls and hijacks threads, I’m honestly surprised that he hasn’t been suspended earlier. Btw I didn’t request his suspension.
Quote: NathanIn all fairness, Even Bob WAS going on a weird and belligerent Bender these last days, so he does deserve to be punished, but I don't think he deserves a 7 day suspension. I think a 3 day suspension would have been ideal.
Gotta give BillRyan props for avoiding the martingale. What is that, like 7 suspensions so far in the past year for him, with like 4 or 5 in the past 6 months? EvenBob wasn't slick enough to avoid the martingale.😉
Trolling + making random unsolicited and/or controversial comment........It is a forum, so I don't think unsolicited applies. As for controversial, aren't we all enlightened by opposing view points.
Thread hijacking in internet forum communication is the act of steering a discussion off-topic by discussing a subject entirely unrelated to the subject at hand.
I did not see that in recent posts by Evenbob He often went off on a tangent and others followed him . Are they not equally guilty ?
Just asking, thaty's all RIP EvenBob
Quote: jackmagic777As for controversial, aren't we all enlightened by opposing view points.
Enlightening opposing views would always be good. Were that we got lots of the enlightening part.
I can say no more without risking a ban.
Nothing has changed. Nothing ever will. Zero possibility. Such things are not subject to behavior modification in this way, ever. You are not going to significantly remold anyone on a web forum. Anyone. Ever. Does not happen.
From a few decades of my working life (which occurred "on a planet long ago & far away") involving several tens of thousands of examples I became & remain acutely (sometimes painfully) aware that even in MUCH more powerfully motivating settings than an obscure little anonymous web forum, it is extremely difficult for even very highly skilled professionals to succeed in doing such things with even a significant minority of cases. This is absolutely NOT how & where such a thing happens, for the few folks for whom anything like that ever happens.
So, you want this for another 8 years 21,000 times, or not. Pick one.
He clearly has some kind of disdain for darkoz which puzzled me.
Of course for some unknown reason he claimed as readibility he wordwrapped early. He's extremely conservative but basically parrots Conservative Radio and FoxNews.
The forum of course changes over time. When the forum was born there were alot of posts about last Vegas basics, games, and odds. We had years of debate of craps and Baccarat systems all debunked. Most of these have disappeared because the systems are debunked faster than people come advertising their system and the patience of explaining why a system can't work has disappeared.
Top contributers moved on, new ones joined, moderators slightly changed. The political forums have always been there.
Now there is basically a churning of new game designs, Vegas questions, Nathan, politics, and talk of advantage play.
Quote: ams288I think the people who don’t post over at DT don’t understand the relationship between EB and FrGamble. FrG is taking a voluntary 90 day hiatus from the internet and EB got bored and started posting/trolling over here more. The moderation is slightly more lenient over at DT so what may have gotten a warning over there ended up getting a ban here.
FrGamble is a Catholic priest and possesses the patience of a saint.
Quote: ams288I think the people who don’t post over at DT don’t understand the relationship between EB and FrGamble. FrG is taking a voluntary 90 day hiatus from the internet and EB got bored and started posting/trolling over here more. The moderation is slightly more lenient over at DT so what may have gotten a warning over there ended up getting a ban here.
Can we get FrGamble to start posting on DT within the next 6 days? What’s the buyout?
Quote: ams288I think the people who don’t post over at DT don’t understand the relationship between EB and FrGamble. FrG is taking a voluntary 90 day hiatus from the internet and EB got bored and started posting/trolling over here more.
I thought EB blocked FrG. FrG, surprisingly, seemed quite flummoxed and upset by it.
Quote: FishoutofwaterNathan, has anyone ever suggested you become a mod? I think you have the perfect demeanor for it. You are wise and insightful, shucks it probably pays more than your Hialeah freeplay.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/30444-choosing-a-new-mod/#post633639
Quote: FishoutofwaterNathan, has anyone ever suggested you become a mod? I think you have the perfect demeanor for it. You are wise and insightful, shucks it probably pays more than your Hialeah freeplay.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/30430-my-resignation-as-administrator/2/#post633004
Quote: FishoutofwaterNathan, has anyone ever suggested you become a mod? I think you have the perfect demeanor for it. You are wise and insightful, shucks it probably pays more than your Hialeah freeplay.
Thank you for your vote of confidence and for your compliments. :D But trust me, my Hialeah free play pays better than Moderator. ;) Hialeah free play is a guaranteed $17 a week. WOV Moderator pays $0. ;)
Quote: MintyWait, is he gone gone or just gone for a little while? Anyone know that country song What Kind of Gone? Otay be called something else. Him being gone permanently would be kind of surreal, so that's why I'm not understanding.
7 days is my understanding
Although since his return is not automated on this forum it might turn into a Bakers 7
Quote: FinsRuleSince he posts simply for his edification and not to engage in conversation, he’s probably at home writing responses right now on his computer for fun.
haha you know it. He will come back with 600 posts with comments to everything that he would normally. Probably has them bookmarked and ready to go.
I would bet his future suspensions follow the Martingale policy (guidance?) more closely than others.
He says that, he might believe that, but it is not true. He leaves when he doesn't get enough attention or is embarrassed.Quote: FinsRuleSince he posts simply for his edification and not to engage in conversation, he’s probably at home writing responses right now on his computer for fun.
But, I must admit that the recent suspension of EvenBob does improve the forum. What he did to DarkOz's history thread was particularly objectionable, IMO.
Just trying to be fair.
Quote: onenickelmiracleEvenbob should have to post pictures of himself in a bikini and a YouTube video. Enough is enough.
Great idea for his 25,000th
Quote: onenickelmiracleEvenbob should have to post pictures of himself in a bikini and a YouTube video. Enough is enough.
Why should we be further punished? ;)
Quote: FleaswatterIt really does not seem appropriate to criticize suspended members since they have no opportunity to defend themselves.
I wanted to say the same thing...
During the entire 9 days I was suspended during which EB and a few others trashed me and my thread
Alas one cant say anything during suspension
Quote: darkozI wanted to say the same thing...
During the entire 9 days I was suspended during which EB and a few others trashed me and my thread
Alas one cant say anything during suspension
Don't get suspended?
Quote: FleaswatterIt really does not seem appropriate to criticize suspended members since they have no opportunity to defend themselves.
I agree 100%. It is not gentlemanly to attack someone when they can't defend themselves. If you have something to say to someone, man up and do it to his/her face.
Life in the forum goes on, even during a suspension. We will chat; we will discuss. You might as well stand on the beach and hold your arms straight out and try to prevent the tide from coming in.
Quote: FleaswatterIt really does not seem appropriate to criticize suspended members since they have no opportunity to defend themselves.
Seems to me that people attack EB equally as much when he’s active as when he’s suspended.
Quote: WizardI agree 100%. It is not gentlemanly to attack someone when they can't defend themselves. If you have something to say to someone, man up and do it to his/her face.
Unless you mean in person, that would derail a lot of threads. Not that it doesn't already.
Quote: FleaswatterIt really does not seem appropriate to criticize suspended members since they have no opportunity to defend themselves.
In theory I agree with you, but specifically with Evenbob, he's had plenty of opportunity to defend himself in the past. Most of this has already been said to Evenbob directly, and he just posted that he doesn't care what people say to him.
I know I've personally called him out a couple times. He just ignores it, because half the time he's just trying to get a rise out of people and not have a serious discussion (at least in the political threads).
Quote: michael99000Seems to me that people attack EB equally as much when he’s active as when he’s suspended.
Seems to me there is an increase when he is on suspension. I guess it is a good way to tell who your enemies are by those who stab you in the back while you're gone.
Quote: gordonm888Most of us are just discussing EvenBob's suspension -which is hard to do without mentioning his trangressions -and that is the legitimate and sanctioned purpose of this thread.
The purpose of this thread wasn't to encourage bad-mouthing each other. However, I recognized that it happens whether I like it or not, so wanted to corral what I'll call the "complaint box" is a single thread. Before this thread, such complaining was all over the forum, hijacking otherwise good discussions.
Quote: WizardSeems to me there is an increase when he is on suspension. I guess it is a good way to tell who your enemies are by those who stab you in the back while you're gone.
Hey, this could be a great new angle for the site... challenge your enemies to some kind of casino face off. Like they do in those Hong Kong gambling movies.
Quote: WizardSeems to me there is an increase when he is on suspension. I guess it is a good way to tell who your enemies are by those who stab you in the back while you're gone.
You remember all the way back in 2013 or whenever he got suspended last? Or do you mean from DT? Either way, better memory than I.
Quote: onenickelmiracleHe says that, he might believe that, but it is not true. He leaves when he doesn't get enough attention or is embarrassed.
When Romney lost, that was about a 6 week break.
