Forum Rules 2.1 -- Effective 2/23/14
Quote: TomspurI agree with Raleigh......stop being so literal.
And, if you guys are really the adults you claim to be we wouldn't need these rules in the first place.
Be nice or go somewhere else! :) (I should have added "hey, hey" here but i fear we have flogged that one a little)
It is human nature to discuss things like this. I think that is a little silly to say, as it would be complete anarchy without rules: here, in the real world, anywhere. And as I do not see why these new rules are particularly necessary, I assume it is just some tweaking on the part of a dedicated forum perfectionist, akin to how seriously I take my counting.
Quote: SonuvabishThe film Major League II, was rated PG. It demonstrates that all curse words are inherently PG, except the F-word. It also implies that excessive usage of stronger words, like the S-word, may elevate the rating to PG-13. Are we using the Major League II standard? That might resolve the issue. A blanket prohibition on profanity, without further explanation, in my mind does mean no D-word. Now we have a Bible exception, which ironically allows the N-word if capitalized and only spelled with one g to refer to the same thing as the regular N-word.
Major League II is a standard?
Quote: WizardI appreciate all the feedback in the Is it time to change the Statler and Waldorf policy?. Although this position was not supported by majority vote, as part of the WoV Great Leap Forward, I am playing the dictator card and amending two of the forum rules as follows.
Rule 1: Absolutely no personal insults. If you disagree with another forum member, politely attack the writing, not the writer. (Amended 2/23/14 to not allow personal insults at all. The previous policy was more lenient.)
Rule 6: Keep it PG. No pornographic or violent images or text. Profanity is prohibited, especially the F word. (Amended 2/23/14 to not allow profanity at all. The previous policy was more lenient.)
I would also like to remind the forum that the same rules apply at Diversity Tomorrow, a ban at one site applies to both, and the same handle should be used at both sites.
Thank you.
I'm sad that I can't curse at all anymore. I enjoyed dropping the occasional F-bomb. For emphasis, only, of course!
But, I'll live. FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU--
Quote: boymimboMajor League II is a standard?
LOL
Quote: boymimboMajor League II is a standard?
In the name of the Taylor, Cerrano, and the Wild Thing, Amen
edited: a word
By drugs and alchohol and sex with women
But its when you do these things too much
That you've become an addict and must get back in touch
You can do it Its all up to you -mmmmmkay
With a little plan you can change your life tooo-day
You dont have to spend your life addicted to smack
Homeless on the streets giving handjobs for crack
Follow my plan and very soon you will see-eeyy, its easy mmkay
Step 1: Instead of a** say buns, like "kiss my buns" or "you're a buns hole"
Step 2: Instead of s*** say poo, as in "bull poo", "poo head" and this "poo is cold"
Step 3: With bit** drop the t because bich is latin for generosity
Step 4: Dont say fu*k any more because fu*k is the worst word that you can say
So just use the word mmmkay!
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mmmkay I'm not liking these restrictions. What kind of AP do you got Raleigh?
Quote: boymimbo...
mmmkay I'm not liking these restrictions. What kind of AP do you got Raleigh?
On this board, the collective brain trust makes me a follower, not a leader. Way more horsepower than I am usually around.
I gots nuttin.
Quote: WizardAll those words are acceptable, especially pisseth.
Bastard and whore are also in the Bible. As
well as dung, which was their word for s__t.
Quote: Mission146I believe you could use whore or bastard if you are not referring to a Member.
So calling someone a whore/bastard is out, but calling him
the son of a whore/bastard is OK? It's referring to his parents,
not to him.
Small cask used for liquids, butter, salt, and sometimes fish.
You may have to work a bit to use it more creatively.
I got a good firkin from the antique shop lady. A VERY good firkin! Yes, it was.
Quote: boymimbo"There are times when you get suckered in
By drugs and alchohol and sex with women
But its when you do these things too much
That you've become an addict and must get back in touch
You can do it Its all up to you -mmmmmkay
With a little plan you can change your life tooo-day
You dont have to spend your life addicted to smack
Homeless on the streets giving handjobs for crack
Follow my plan and very soon you will see-eeyy, its easy mmkay
Step 1: Instead of a** say buns, like "kiss my buns" or "you're a buns hole"
Step 2: Instead of s*** say poo, as in "bull poo", "poo head" and this "poo is cold"
Step 3: With bit** drop the t because bich is latin for generosity
Step 4: Dont say fu*k any more because fu*k is the worst word that you can say
So just use the word mmmkay!
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mmmkay I'm not liking these restrictions. What kind of AP do you got Raleigh?
No we shouldn't say fu*k, no we shouldn't say fu*k. Fu*k No:-)
Quote: soxfanDang, I figure that lotsa cats are gonna startin gettin the gavel around here, now, hey hey.
Calling me a cat is a personal insult, as I am more of a dog person. Ruling?
Quote: SonuvabishIt is human nature to discuss things like this. I think that is a little silly to say, as it would be complete anarchy without rules: here, in the real world, anywhere. And as I do not see why these new rules are particularly necessary, I assume it is just some tweaking on the part of a dedicated forum perfectionist, akin to how seriously I take my counting.
I should perhaps have re phrased. I'm not saying "no rules" but why the discussion of the rules at length and the perceived ambiguity of the rules?
My point was. We are here voluntarily, we do so because we want to be here not because we are forced to by some mundane, tractor beam like influence......
If you come here voluntarily, behave yourself and be respectful. If we abide by these simple rules, then there won't be the need for these rules or for the more drastic policing of such.
We shouldn't need moderators to help us be good people, otherwise you would have had a person walking right next to you all day, every day telling you what you can and cannot say. That isn't practical so why should it be here?
These are solely my opinions. I will always attempt to be on my best behavior here and also try never to insult anybody or even pick a fight.
If you want to fight we can arrange a meeting and we can beat the hell out of each other......That would be better than slinging poop at each other on a forum.
Quote: TomspurI should perhaps have re phrased. I'm not saying "no rules" but why the discussion of the rules at length and the perceived ambiguity of the rules?
Yeah I just don't get it why when a series of rules is presented is the first thing some people think how far exactly can I go. I mean why not comport your self as best as possible rather then seeing what the worst you can be is.
Quote: TomspurI should perhaps have re phrased. I'm not saying "no rules" but why the discussion of the rules at length and the perceived ambiguity of the rules?
My point was. We are here voluntarily, we do so because we want to be here not because we are forced to by some mundane, tractor beam like influence......
If you come here voluntarily, behave yourself and be respectful. If we abide by these simple rules, then there won't be the need for these rules or for the more drastic policing of such.
We shouldn't need moderators to help us be good people, otherwise you would have had a person walking right next to you all day, every day telling you what you can and cannot say. That isn't practical so why should it be here?
These are solely my opinions. I will always attempt to be on my best behavior here and also try never to insult anybody or even pick a fight.
If you want to fight we can arrange a meeting and we can beat the hell out of each other......That would be better than slinging poop at each other on a forum.
It's not much different than forming a new country. The Wizard started with a minimal idea of few rules, and more of freedom, now he's feeling the need of a more complex bureaucracy. Of course, he could just execute people more often as that is how some rulers do it. But we are probably reaching the balance of freedom vs security (or order vs chaos). Maybe he will go completely mad and nuke everything -- I've seen it happen, but kind of doubt it.
He's the King of his own domain.
Quote: TwirdmanYeah I just don't get it why when a series of rules is presented is the first thing some people think how far exactly can I go. I mean why not comport your self as best as possible rather then seeing what the worst you can be is.
I used to wonder the same thing, but I think I finally figured it out. This is just a big chess match. I believe some forum members see this as a way of matching wits with Wiz. It doesn't matter what the rule is about. Wiz could make a rule that there are no words to be used that start with F, and the first response would be, "Well what about phat?"
Quote: SonuvabishThe film Major League II, was rated PG. It demonstrates that all curse words are inherently PG, except the F-word.
Yep. Somehow "Sixteen Candles" got a PG rating, which is surprising considering the scene with the naked teenage girl taking a shower. "Airplane!" was also rated PG despite bouncing naked breasts, a fellatio scene, cocaine, cursewords, etc.
And yet "Lost In Translation" and "King's Speech" were rated R! Go figure.
Quote: boymimboMajor League II is a standard?
5% of the 4700 people in the global market who actually saw it, liked it.
and now that I can't say the "A" word, if one asked me what I did yesterday evening, I'd have to say
I fricked a loose moraled broad right in the poohole last night.
I will now also have to refer to my buddies bastard child as a frick trophy.
Moral high ground is where its at!
All in the name of casting lots....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZziBe7TX61U
Jacobellis v. Ohio - Supreme Court Justice Stewart - "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."
Come on guys. You've the got the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Ask an objective person whether it crosses the line, and the jury will be out.
I didn't read through all the posts regarding Juicyjennie and her spat with another member, but if that is what has prompted a revision to the rules here so be it.
Here's some food for thought. The strength of this forum is its membership retention and growth. It's partial mission is to create a safe environment to educate, openly debate, exchange ideas, and encourage wiser gambling. You don't achieve either through badgering, harassing, or taking cheap shots at members. And perhaps the Wizard can chime in on this if he agrees/disagrees.
Quote: 98ClubsAfter 8 pages I had a WTF moment. Denegration of others is a FUBAR proposition because it in the end attempts to denegrate both parties. The Denegrator is told to be Found Under a Car Kneeling, and the Denegratee is told to be located there also. Its a steaming dung-heap in August for all who peruse the opines, making a Black Hole out of the posting, and the forum. YOMD
This is from Yahoo translator, no? lol....reads like instructions on an IKEA made-in-china product. And as humorous; well-skirted.
My guideline under the new rules is sort of,
"If you wouldn't say it in front of, or show it to, Mike's seven year old daughter, it probably doesn't belong on here." Not exactly an adult standard, no, but perhaps a workable starting point. She doesn't have to understand what you said, but you don't have to cover her ears or apologize as an aside, either.
Denigrate, BTW; possibly derived from the same source as the N-word; paco would know if so.
Quote: beachbumbabsDenigrate, BTW; possibly derived from the same source as the N-word; paco would know if so.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=denigrate&searchmode=nl
How about that? Nonetheless, it is a perfectly acceptable word to use.
Quote: AsswhoopermcdaddyThe strength of this forum is its membership retention and growth. It's partial mission is to create a safe environment to educate, openly debate, exchange ideas, and encourage wiser gambling. You don't achieve either through badgering, harassing, or taking cheap shots at members. And perhaps the Wizard can chime in on this if he agrees/disagrees.
I absolutely agree!
Quote: TwirdmanYeah I just don't get it why when a series of rules is presented is the first thing some people think how far exactly can I go. I mean why not comport your self as best as possible rather then seeing what the worst you can be is.
Totally agree with this, as well as just about everything Tomspur has written in this thread.
Re: profanity, I am a mild offender. I've never wished to spew profanity here, but occasionally, I'd use it for emphasis. Most likely when I was very fired up, which usually happens when discussing the government of the People's Republic of NYS. But as someone who, in their personal life, uses "M'kay" about as often as most people use a comma, I still find it easy to communicate here politely and effectively. It's not hard, and I'm sure everyone can manage with little effort.
Concerning personal insults, I don't think I'm the only one who can see the difference between jive and a jab. TheCesspit questioning the intelligence of Leafs fans is in no way an insult, no matter how much one would like to twist the interpretation. It goes back to Asswhooper's "letter vs spirit of the law" statement. It is clear to see TheCesspit's intention, just as I find it easy to see the intention of those who like to test the limits. I don't think anyone has to worry about misinterpretations and a mass of undeserving bans as a result.
And lastly, concerning statute of limitations, I personally will not be going back through years of posts to address the failings of the past. I have an above average memory, read nearly everything here, and am well aware of posting histories. There is no need to rehash history. I further think that with the amount of mods plus the amount of cooperative members vs amount of posts, having to worry about being banned for something that happened "last month" is not a reasonable concern.
I have to giggle at the hyper analytical tendencies of this place. Every time there's a change, there's ten pages minimum of dissection and discussion. I love it =) But if anyone is feeling genuinely uncomfortable or worried, don't. Because...
Quote: GWAEFace, I think it is because people can not handle change.I have been in management my entire life and anytime we have a new policy there is anarchy. I only had to make a rule where lunches started 15 min later because it was interfering with one of our clients schedules. You would have thought I fired everyone.
Oh, I know. I'm not complaining, I find it fascinating. I love the psychology of things, and love watching this =)
But in case there are actual concerns underneath the common "fear of change", I just wanted to put that out there.
;)
Quote: Wizard
Rule 6: Keep it PG. No pornographic or violent images or text. Profanity is prohibited, especially the F word. (Amended 2/23/14 to not allow profanity at all. The previous policy was more lenient.)
I had decided on not chiming in on this but just changed my mind. I just meant to write a post in a different thread which would have contained profanity. Rather than paraphrasing, I chose not to post at all.
I am disappointed with Rule 6, because for me, it takes something away from this forum. I enjoy this place because I feel that there is a majority of rational, intelligent people here who can have an adult conversation. Profanity does not hurt anybody. It is the content and context that matters. Now I have to censor myself and think about what I can and cannot post. Is this word ok? Will this one get me suspended? That is something for network television and the **** that watch it. (There, it happened again.)
Censoring our vocabulary is beneath the level of discourse in this forum. Thanks for reading.
Quote: CanyoneroI had decided on not chiming in on this but just changed my mind. I just meant to write a post in a different thread which would have contained profanity. Rather than paraphrasing, I chose not to post at all.
I am disappointed with Rule 6, because for me, it takes something away from this forum. I enjoy this place because I feel that there is a majority of rational, intelligent people here who can have an adult conversation. Profanity does not hurt anybody. It is the content and context that matters. Now I have to censor myself and think about what I can and cannot post. Is this word ok? Will this one get me suspended? That is something for network television and the **** that watch it. (There, it happened again.)
Censoring our vocabulary is beneath the level of discourse in this forum. Thanks for reading.
I agree.
Quote: AcesAndEightsI agree.
As do I, except that restricting content would be worse.
For example b*tch is changed to girly...f**k is changed to darn... @ss is changed to fool.
I'm sure a few people on this forum also are aware of the forum I'm speaking of.
Quote: michael99000I post regularly on another forum that dealt with the profanity issue by having profane words automatically filtered and changed to "less profane" versions of those words. Needless to say it makes for some very funny posts.. Humor was not the intent of the system but I do believe it's better than allowing the curse to post and suspending the poster... The best is when a new member not aware of the filter posts a profanity ridden message and it comes out entirely pg.
For example b*tch is changed to girly...f**k is changed to darn... @ss is changed to fool.
I'm sure a few people on this forum also are aware of the forum I'm speaking of.
They used to do that stuff in chat rooms. Then we'd come up with profanity to circumvent the censors. How do you think sonuvabish was invented? Fa-Q
Quote: BuzzardDoesn't FU stand for Felix Unger ?
Quote: BozWiz, I like your updates and I wonder how you can decide between what belongs at DT and what belongs on here?
I have unofficially decided to continue some long standing threads on WOV but not start any new ones that are not directly related to gaming or math.
I did make some comments on the "Three Bitter Years" in China in 1959 as it has always fascinated me. However, I didn't start the thread.
Quote: CanyoneroI am disappointed with Rule 6, because for me, it takes something away from this forum. I enjoy this place because I feel that there is a majority of rational, intelligent people here who can have an adult conversation. Profanity does not hurt anybody. It is the content and context that matters. Now I have to censor myself and think about what I can and cannot post. Is this word ok? Will this one get me suspended? That is something for network television and the **** that watch it. (There, it happened again.)
Okay, let me try to put everybody at ease. I'm not going to go around looking to ban anybody for using any word that Mr. Rogers wouldn't say. In enforcing rule 6 I am going to not just consider the word(s) used but the context and overall standing of the member using such language.
In my opinion, the vast majority of profanity comes from problem threads and problem members. The rule is just giving me another weapon at my disposal.
Besides, I think it should be possible to have an intelligent discussion without profanity anyway.
Quote: CanyoneroI am disappointed with Rule 6, because for me, it takes something away from this forum. I enjoy this place because I feel that there is a majority of rational, intelligent people here who can have an adult conversation. Profanity does not hurt anybody. It is the content and context that matters. Now I have to censor myself and think about what I can and cannot post.
Quote: WizardBesides, I think it should be possible to have an intelligent discussion without profanity anyway.
At first, I thought "I agree with Canyonero". Then I wrote a post in which I used a (mild) profanity which I hid under *s and other special characters. And it got me thinking.
1) What's the difference if a word is prohibited but you still can use "f**k" or "@$$" or any form where everybody knows very well what you say? Does that really suppress the profanity?
2) I realized that the use of such a word is, in fact, a laziness of the mind. Being intelligent people, I think it would not be too burdensome for us to take a little time, each time we cursorily use a profanity, to refrain and find a better equivalent, still conveying our thought as well as our emotion.
It is, even, a welcome exercise. Try it!
Quote: kubikulannAt first, I thought "I agree with Canyonero". Then I wrote a post in which I used a (mild) profanity which I hid under *s and other special characters. And it got me thinking.
1) What's the difference if a word is prohibited but you still can use "f**k" or "@$$" or any form where everybody knows very well what you say? Does that really suppress the profanity?
2) I realized that the use of such a word is, in fact, a laziness of the mind. Being intelligent people, I think it would not be too burdensome for us to take a little time, each time we cursorily use a profanity, to refrain and find a better equivalent, still conveying our thought as well as our emotion.
It is, even, a welcome exercise. Try it!
I generally prefer not to swear. But I do not like to be forced not to, or read censored posts. I do not see any reason why an intelligent person can't swear, or that swearing is somehow unintelligent. Swearing is vulgar, not stupid. Many movies, often made by very intelligent people, would have horrible dialogue without profanity. But I feel a little bit better about the Wizard's explanation. Like a traffic cop, he does not have to give you a ticket. He can if he wants. Site is getting to the point where you are always technically violating at least one rule, just like in traffic...but if enforcement is selective, then it doesn't have to be terrible. Just hope he doesn't pull me over to warn me that I should use the right lane instead of the left, when he just wanted to check if I was high.
I am not saying they SHOULD. I say they CAN. So if the Wizard asks me to, I'll gladly do.
I will even venture to say that swearing is not always vulgar.
Quote: kubikulann1) What's the difference if a word is prohibited but you still can use "f**k" or "@$$" or any form where everybody knows very well what you say? Does that really suppress the profanity?
It at least shows some respect for the forum to hide a profane word with other characters. However, in my opinion, it doesn't totally absolve the user of using profanity. As with any rule infraction, I will also consider the context and overall standing of the member. Some are on thinner ice than others.
Quote: kubikulann
2) I realized that the use of such a word is, in fact, a laziness of the mind.
Hardly. The use of profanity can be an art form,
it can convey your true feelings better than
anything else sometimes. It's knowing how and
when to use it that's important. Banning it
completely is a shame, it cuts us off from a
wealth of vibrant expression.
List of films by number of uses
Film Year F**k" count Minutes Uses/minute
F**k—a documentary on the word 2005 857 93 9.21
The Wolf of Wall Street 2013 569 179 3.18
Summer of Sam 1999 435 142 3.06
Nil by Mouth 1997 428 128 3.34
Casino 1995 422 178 2.40
Alpha Dog 2007 367 118 3.11
End of Watch 2012 326 109 2.99
Twin Town 1997 318 99 3.21
Running Scared 2006 315 122 2.58
Martin Lawrence Live: Runteldat 2002 311 113 2.75
Goodfellas 1990 300 146 2.05
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_that_most_frequently_use_the_word_
