Has the forum format changed?
August 17th, 2023 at 6:36:07 PM
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When Wizard created this new thread
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/38462-laundering-cash-to-check-at-table-games/
I noticed that the page was scrolling down quite long. When I counted the number of posts before it went over to page 2, the count stood at 50.
Then I noticed that the original URL for my Check for Cash wager
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/356/#post895875
went to a dead link
When I looked for it manually, I found it, here
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/72/#post895875
meaning that sometime between Monday the 13th, and Wednesday the 16th, the formatting of this forum changed, to place, if I were to guess, something like 5X more posts per page.
A few days ago there were about 365 pages in that Adventures of MDawg II thread.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/
Now only 72. What happened?
Also the last page of the Adventures of MDawg I thread has changed, it used to be
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/642/#post830716
now it's
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/129/#post830716
What has happened here? Over 500 less pages? The first page of the Adventures of MDawg II thread
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/
used to link back to the last page of the Adventures of MDawg I thread. No longer, that URL link is dead.
Are there more posts per page? The whole forum might be messed up with dead internal links everywhere, and outside URLs coming from say Google might be messed up too. I was actually alerted to this a couple days ago too, when I googled an exact phrase and found it via Google for wizardofvegas, but when I clicked on the URL it came to nowhere near where that post was.
Now, I am used to Google's sending me to a page at WOV that is perhaps 1 page off from where the post should be, but fifty, a hundred pages off?
There's some strange shit going on here, Coleman.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/tables/38462-laundering-cash-to-check-at-table-games/
I noticed that the page was scrolling down quite long. When I counted the number of posts before it went over to page 2, the count stood at 50.
Then I noticed that the original URL for my Check for Cash wager
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/356/#post895875
went to a dead link
When I looked for it manually, I found it, here
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/72/#post895875
meaning that sometime between Monday the 13th, and Wednesday the 16th, the formatting of this forum changed, to place, if I were to guess, something like 5X more posts per page.
A few days ago there were about 365 pages in that Adventures of MDawg II thread.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/
Now only 72. What happened?
Also the last page of the Adventures of MDawg I thread has changed, it used to be
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/642/#post830716
now it's
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/129/#post830716
What has happened here? Over 500 less pages? The first page of the Adventures of MDawg II thread
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/36647-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/
used to link back to the last page of the Adventures of MDawg I thread. No longer, that URL link is dead.
Are there more posts per page? The whole forum might be messed up with dead internal links everywhere, and outside URLs coming from say Google might be messed up too. I was actually alerted to this a couple days ago too, when I googled an exact phrase and found it via Google for wizardofvegas, but when I clicked on the URL it came to nowhere near where that post was.
Now, I am used to Google's sending me to a page at WOV that is perhaps 1 page off from where the post should be, but fifty, a hundred pages off?
There's some strange shit going on here, Coleman.
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August 17th, 2023 at 6:38:57 PM
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i for some reason have seen that page you posted... didnt think anything of it because i think whatever i was looking at went to the correct link after i noticed... which makes zero sense but hey
August 17th, 2023 at 6:45:20 PM
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I'm tellin' ya' the whole format of the forum has changed. That is a bad thing. WOV's SEO is about to plummet in the toilet if not corrected.
I keep meticulous track of URLs of posts I care about, for example here is the post
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/35670-challenge-to-axelwolf-the-daddy-of-all-wagers/12/#post797552
about where I bet AxelWolf $500K over the validity of my Vegas WIN statements.
And here is where I bet him $250K over the validity of my stock trades
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/35670-challenge-to-axelwolf-the-daddy-of-all-wagers/#post796763
The first one is a dead link because the page number has changed. The second one, because it is on the first page of that thread, remains valid.
I guarantee if you go to the URL of any post as recorded from a week ago at the WOV forum, if that post was somewhere deep in a multi page thread, that URL has now changed, and is probably now a dead link.
I keep meticulous track of URLs of posts I care about, for example here is the post
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/35670-challenge-to-axelwolf-the-daddy-of-all-wagers/12/#post797552
about where I bet AxelWolf $500K over the validity of my Vegas WIN statements.
And here is where I bet him $250K over the validity of my stock trades
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/35670-challenge-to-axelwolf-the-daddy-of-all-wagers/#post796763
The first one is a dead link because the page number has changed. The second one, because it is on the first page of that thread, remains valid.
I guarantee if you go to the URL of any post as recorded from a week ago at the WOV forum, if that post was somewhere deep in a multi page thread, that URL has now changed, and is probably now a dead link.
Last edited by: MDawg on Aug 17, 2023
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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August 17th, 2023 at 6:57:08 PM
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That is very interesting that the (old) permalinks have become invalid.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 17th, 2023 at 7:02:13 PM
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Well my first fear was that mass pages of content had disappeared.
Anyway, am I right, have you changed the format of the forum such that there are many more posts per page? Otherwise, how to explain how the very long threads now have something like 5X less pages.
Whatever changed happened in the last few days.
Try a Google search of an exact phrase you have in your mind from a past post and see for yourself, see if Google sends you to the right URL.
Anyway, if you are going to leave it like this then there are a few URL changes I'd like made please so that the URLs on some of my posts don't go nowhere. Eventually, Google will catch up with your new URLs, so the external links will sort out. Over all though, a forum with a lot of dead internal links in it = bad SEO, and those internal links will remain dead forever.
Anyway, isn't sticking 50 posts per page, making WOV forum pages scroll down forever, so...1990s?
Anyway, am I right, have you changed the format of the forum such that there are many more posts per page? Otherwise, how to explain how the very long threads now have something like 5X less pages.
Whatever changed happened in the last few days.
Try a Google search of an exact phrase you have in your mind from a past post and see for yourself, see if Google sends you to the right URL.
Anyway, if you are going to leave it like this then there are a few URL changes I'd like made please so that the URLs on some of my posts don't go nowhere. Eventually, Google will catch up with your new URLs, so the external links will sort out. Over all though, a forum with a lot of dead internal links in it = bad SEO, and those internal links will remain dead forever.
Anyway, isn't sticking 50 posts per page, making WOV forum pages scroll down forever, so...1990s?
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August 17th, 2023 at 7:18:09 PM
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Quote: MDawg
Anyway, am I right, have you changed the format of the forum such that there are many more posts per page? Otherwise, how to explain how the very long threads now have something like 5X less pages.
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I made no such change.
Such a change appears to have been made.
I do see approximately 5 times more posts per page.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 17th, 2023 at 7:23:34 PM
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I think MDawg is just upset because he can't claim to have threads that are hundreds of pages long anymore.
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August 17th, 2023 at 7:25:15 PM
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Long webpages that scroll down forever are so 1990s.
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August 18th, 2023 at 1:25:57 AM
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I noticed on wizard of odds when playing smarty pants 5 the format is correct on Firefox. If I play it on Chrome the first letter is on line 1.... Other 4 letters on line 2
August 18th, 2023 at 4:30:50 AM
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Quote: MDawgLong webpages that scroll down forever are so 1990s.
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They are still a thing Facebook is endless like many others if anything people don’t want to stop scrolling if they don’t have to
August 18th, 2023 at 4:58:37 AM
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Hi all,
as you all saw, yes, we decided to increase number of posts from 10 to 50 and as for dead links, there is now functionality to redirect to the last page if page number is larger than the last page. For example https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/642/#post830716 will redirect to https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/129/#post830716
as you all saw, yes, we decided to increase number of posts from 10 to 50 and as for dead links, there is now functionality to redirect to the last page if page number is larger than the last page. For example https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/642/#post830716 will redirect to https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/129/#post830716
August 18th, 2023 at 5:26:19 AM
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So how is this expected to impact my Casino Chip of the Day index thread? Does it mean that there will no longer be a working index to guide people to the specific post that they are looking for? Seems like a very annoying idea to me.
August 18th, 2023 at 7:12:07 AM
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Any link that you created yourself (called "internal links"), if it linked to anything other than the first page of a WOV thread, especially a long thread, will now go to the wrong place, either to some random spot in the thread (if that page still exists) or to its last page.
This is part of what I was talking about when I mentioned that this forum is about as advanced as a vbulletin v.3 from twenty years ago, less so maybe, because forum software like vbulletin or XenForo would automatically update all internal links systemwide if for example URLs were all changed, such as to be SEO friendly.
Most forum owners would never do something like this because now almost all of the links that might be directing to this forum on the web that were created by people will now misdirect to the wrong place. Almost all of the backlinks that are out there now land in the wrong spot.
Google's indexing will eventually catch up though.
But any link created manually by a human that was directed at a specific post in a multi page thread will now land in the wrong spot, unless it was originally directed at a first page or last page post.
Quote: miroslavlavthere is now functionality to redirect to the last page if page number is larger than the last page. For example https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/642/#post830716 will redirect to https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/129/#post830716
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This is part of what I was talking about when I mentioned that this forum is about as advanced as a vbulletin v.3 from twenty years ago, less so maybe, because forum software like vbulletin or XenForo would automatically update all internal links systemwide if for example URLs were all changed, such as to be SEO friendly.
Most forum owners would never do something like this because now almost all of the links that might be directing to this forum on the web that were created by people will now misdirect to the wrong place. Almost all of the backlinks that are out there now land in the wrong spot.
Google's indexing will eventually catch up though.
But any link created manually by a human that was directed at a specific post in a multi page thread will now land in the wrong spot, unless it was originally directed at a first page or last page post.
Last edited by: MDawg on Aug 18, 2023
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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August 18th, 2023 at 7:50:38 AM
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Is there a way to make the update only current to new pages which would make both things work, old and new?
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August 19th, 2023 at 12:50:23 PM
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Quote: DocSo how is this expected to impact my Casino Chip of the Day index thread? Does it mean that there will no longer be a working index to guide people to the specific post that they are looking for? Seems like a very annoying idea to me.
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Well, I tried using the Casino Chip of the Day index thread to locate one of the chip posts, and (of course) the browser moved to the wrong page. The reported "functionality to redirect to the last page if page number is larger than the last page" is not useful at all for an index.
My impression is that to get the index working again, I would have to calculate the new page number and edit the link in each of the current 1,550 links in that index. That is exactly what I meant by this revision to the forum being a very annoying idea to me. It may just be enough to convince me to give up on the Chip of the Day thread and the index, after more than eleven years of keeping it rather up to date.
Another forum member suggested so me something to the effect that there may be a way to have the index thread calculate the new page number for each of the links (divide by five and round up), but even if that is the case, I don't understand this forum's setup well enough to implement such an update. I just feel that my efforts have now been tossed on the rubbish heap, perhaps just because someone wanted to see more posts on each page.
Maybe I'll just give up on this forum all together.
August 19th, 2023 at 8:35:54 PM
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There might be an easy fix and it’s all in the programming.
I noticed that when you inspect the link, the text url shows the original page number, and post number, but the live link shows the final page number as described.
However. If you copy the text url, remove the page number, and leave the post number, then the new url works.
At least it worked for a random old 2 page thread that used to be 8 pages.
Anyway, it’s something the programmers should look into.
I noticed that when you inspect the link, the text url shows the original page number, and post number, but the live link shows the final page number as described.
However. If you copy the text url, remove the page number, and leave the post number, then the new url works.
At least it worked for a random old 2 page thread that used to be 8 pages.
Anyway, it’s something the programmers should look into.
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August 20th, 2023 at 9:36:55 AM
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Removing the page number simply makes the link land on the first page first post of the thread.
As opposed to what MiroSlavlav already did, which is that if the page number indicated in the old URL is beyond the current ("new") number of pages of the thread,
it lands on the last page of the thread.
In either case, it will land on the wrong spot.
As far as manually created internal links, or backlinks created by web people pointing at specific WOV website content, it's a nightmare.
It will be interesting to see how long it takes Google to correct its search engine results. The internal search engine of this forum is abysmal, so when I want to find something I just use my memory to search for the exact phrase that I recall from the post I want to find, next to the words wizardofvegas and also maybe the screen name of the forum member.
For example
wizardofvegas mdawg "drew a four sided nine"
Gives two Google results, both going to the wrong page wrong post:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/129/
The actual post was April 2021, but the Google link currently lands on a November 2021 page of the thread.
How abysmal is the WizardofVegas search function?
Try to search for
mdawg "drew a four sided nine"
in the search engine here, you'll get ten results, not one correct (one close, but wrong), and then if you try to go to the next page of results the page number search advance link doesn't even do anything, doesn't work.
As opposed to what MiroSlavlav already did, which is that if the page number indicated in the old URL is beyond the current ("new") number of pages of the thread,
Quote: miroslavlavthere is now functionality to redirect to the last page if page number is larger than the last page. For example https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/642/#post830716 will redirect to https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/129/#post830716
it lands on the last page of the thread.
In either case, it will land on the wrong spot.
As far as manually created internal links, or backlinks created by web people pointing at specific WOV website content, it's a nightmare.
It will be interesting to see how long it takes Google to correct its search engine results. The internal search engine of this forum is abysmal, so when I want to find something I just use my memory to search for the exact phrase that I recall from the post I want to find, next to the words wizardofvegas and also maybe the screen name of the forum member.
For example
wizardofvegas mdawg "drew a four sided nine"
Gives two Google results, both going to the wrong page wrong post:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/129/
The actual post was April 2021, but the Google link currently lands on a November 2021 page of the thread.
How abysmal is the WizardofVegas search function?
Try to search for
mdawg "drew a four sided nine"
in the search engine here, you'll get ten results, not one correct (one close, but wrong), and then if you try to go to the next page of results the page number search advance link doesn't even do anything, doesn't work.
Last edited by: MDawg on Aug 20, 2023
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August 20th, 2023 at 10:23:27 AM
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I'm afraid that I have to concur that this was a disasterous change.Quote: MDawgThe internal search engine of this forum is abysmal, so when I want to find something I just use my memory to search for the exact phrase that I recall from the post I want to find, next to the words wizardofvegas and also maybe the screen name of the forum member.
For example
wizardofvegas mdawg "drew a four sided nine"
Gives two Google results, both going to the wrong page wrong post:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/129/
The actual post was April 2021, but the Google link currently lands on a November 2021 page of the thread.
How abysmal is the WizardofVegas search function?
Try to search for
mdawg "drew a four sided nine"
in the search engine here, you'll get ten results, not one correct (one close, but wrong), and then if you try to go to the next page of results the page number search advance link doesn't even do anything, doesn't work.
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The internal search here has always been worse than useless, so I'd go to google and do a site search. But now, if a site search gets a result, it links always to the wrong place. I.e. Google search has been made as bad as the internal site search.
Google will be chipping away trying to make sense of this and the longer it goes on, the more impossile it will be to roll back the change.
Miroslavlav..... Please roll it back and reconsider what the objective was and how better to fix it.
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August 20th, 2023 at 10:34:58 AM
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Due to the way the HTML links, forum pagination, and local anchors (the "#" and what follows) interoperate... no, updating some code on the server is likely not a viable fix.
To get it working again, a global search and replace on the database that contains the forum posts would likely be necessary.
Any such global rewrite of the database has to be clever enough to recognize at least three (and probably more) different common formats used for permalinks in threads, and do the right thing for each case, and more importantly not do the wrong thing in any case.
There are about 900,000 posts that would need checking; doing it by hand seems like a non-option.
As MDawg has noted, any offline permalinks would not be updated by this process, so if you've saved a link to a certain favorite post as a bookmark, you'll likely need to update that manually.
I have no idea if there are plans for such an overhaul. I am quite happy not to get sucked into ITIL/ITSM meetings, particularly if there is any risk of a Gantt chart appearing.
TLDR summary: fixing is nontrivial.
To get it working again, a global search and replace on the database that contains the forum posts would likely be necessary.
Any such global rewrite of the database has to be clever enough to recognize at least three (and probably more) different common formats used for permalinks in threads, and do the right thing for each case, and more importantly not do the wrong thing in any case.
There are about 900,000 posts that would need checking; doing it by hand seems like a non-option.
As MDawg has noted, any offline permalinks would not be updated by this process, so if you've saved a link to a certain favorite post as a bookmark, you'll likely need to update that manually.
I have no idea if there are plans for such an overhaul. I am quite happy not to get sucked into ITIL/ITSM meetings, particularly if there is any risk of a Gantt chart appearing.
TLDR summary: fixing is nontrivial.
May the cards fall in your favor.
August 20th, 2023 at 10:43:06 AM
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One thing I’ve noticed. If you end up at the top of a thread, you can mistakenly believe someone just posted that the Dunes was just imploded or a there’s a Frank Sinatra concert schedule it’s so old.
(Okay, slight exaggeration, but yeesh, so much scrolling also)
(Okay, slight exaggeration, but yeesh, so much scrolling also)
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August 20th, 2023 at 11:09:32 AM
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I blame it on A.I. The format's not broken. It's evolving.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 20th, 2023 at 12:44:30 PM
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The link will be correct if you divide the page number by 5 (rounding up)
For index pages like the casino chip, it should be easy or "easy" to to in Excel.
wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/8928-casino-chip-of-the-day/184/#post200658
would become:
wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/8928-casino-chip-of-the-day/37/#post200658
For index pages like the casino chip, it should be easy or "easy" to to in Excel.
wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/8928-casino-chip-of-the-day/184/#post200658
would become:
wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/8928-casino-chip-of-the-day/37/#post200658
August 20th, 2023 at 12:52:48 PM
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Quote: TorghattenThe link will be correct if you divide the page number by 5 (rounding up)
For index pages like the casino chip, it should be easy or "easy" to to in Excel.
wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/8928-casino-chip-of-the-day/184/#post200658
would become:
wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/8928-casino-chip-of-the-day/37/#post200658
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Even before this issue, if a post got deleted on a mid range page, it shafted links to posts on the periphery of all later pages.
tldr. It was always broken for long threads
What irritated me today was the absence of 'quote' on older pages.
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August 20th, 2023 at 1:00:13 PM
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If there is some way to not just correct this new issue, but also make the forum search work closer to what is found in other forums, and to make it so that we may change font, color, format, etc. and post URLs and youtube and so on without entering HTML tags, then trying to update this forum might be something. Otherwise, I'd just look into the possibility of trying to transfer all content to the latest vbulletin, and let them worry about constant updating.
But, it may not be possible to transfer this database to any standard forum software, so we may be stuck with what we have.
If we have, as discussed, only about a hundred active members, it probably isn't worth doing a whole lot to update anything, might be the way the owners look at it.
But, it may not be possible to transfer this database to any standard forum software, so we may be stuck with what we have.
If we have, as discussed, only about a hundred active members, it probably isn't worth doing a whole lot to update anything, might be the way the owners look at it.
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August 20th, 2023 at 1:58:48 PM
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It wasn’t broken. And someone decided to fix it. Now it’s broken. I hate having to scroll for decades to get back to the top.
August 21st, 2023 at 6:17:56 AM
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The work-around I found apparently only works sometimes.
I think it’s time to admit that this ‘fix’, that fixed nothing and created problems, needs to be unfixed.Quote: SOOPOOIt wasn’t broken. And someone decided to fix it. Now it IS broken.
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August 21st, 2023 at 6:28:54 AM
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I use Chrome and am unsure what the issue is. The site is the same today as last week or month.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 21st, 2023 at 2:35:05 PM
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The change is that there are now 50 posts per page of a topic. Formerly it was, I think, 10.Quote: billryanI use Chrome and am unsure what the issue is. The site is the same today as last week or month.
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That change means the links to specific posts no longer work.
That is a huge problem for all links, but particularly for Doc’s Chip of the Day threads.
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August 21st, 2023 at 5:16:47 PM
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Okay. I see the extended pages but have not noticed any problems. I hope they can resolve the issue if it is affecting things.
The older I get, the better I recall things that never happened
August 21st, 2023 at 10:19:05 PM
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Quote: rxwineOne thing I’ve noticed. If you end up at the top of a thread, you can mistakenly believe someone just posted that the Dunes was just imploded or a there’s a Frank Sinatra concert schedule it’s so old.
(Okay, slight exaggeration, but yeesh, so much scrolling also)
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Agreed. While I did think 10 posts per page was too few, I'm finding 50 posts per page to be too many. Maybe there's a sweet spot of 20 or 25.
Anyways, that's my opinion for what it's worth (somewhere between jack and squat I imagine).
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
August 22nd, 2023 at 1:10:25 PM
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Another thing that is askew now is the Suspension list.
Just looking at the most recent one
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/36338-discussion-iii-about-the-suspension-list/
I clicked on a few at random and of course they no longer go to the suspension worthy post. This is the equivalent of a court case record index no longer functioning.
Just looking at the most recent one
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/36338-discussion-iii-about-the-suspension-list/
I clicked on a few at random and of course they no longer go to the suspension worthy post. This is the equivalent of a court case record index no longer functioning.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
August 22nd, 2023 at 3:39:51 PM
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I actually don't hate it, I thought the post count per page was on the low side before. All links all being trashed though can be an issue.
August 26th, 2023 at 9:53:53 AM
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Just thought I would point out another change that I haven't seen mentioned. I'm noting this just in case someone is going to "unfix" the changes that have broken all of the links, and they might want to "unfix" this change also.
It used to be that when I clicked a link in the Recent Threads page, it took me not just to the right page in that thread, but it also apparently looked at my past-browsing record and took me to my first un-read post in the thread. Now, clicking on the name of the thread just takes me to the top of a page in that thread, and I have to scroll through the now-very-many posts that I have already read in order to search for what's new. Needlessly time consuming, compared to the way things used to work.
(Hope someone is working on getting this stuff working again.)
It used to be that when I clicked a link in the Recent Threads page, it took me not just to the right page in that thread, but it also apparently looked at my past-browsing record and took me to my first un-read post in the thread. Now, clicking on the name of the thread just takes me to the top of a page in that thread, and I have to scroll through the now-very-many posts that I have already read in order to search for what's new. Needlessly time consuming, compared to the way things used to work.
(Hope someone is working on getting this stuff working again.)
August 26th, 2023 at 10:00:17 AM
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Quote: DocJust thought I would point out another change that I haven't seen mentioned. I'm noting this just in case someone is going to "unfix" the changes that have broken all of the links, and they might want to "unfix" this change also.
It used to be that when I clicked a link in the Recent Threads page, it took me not just to the right page in that thread, but it also apparently looked at my past-browsing record and took me to my first un-read post in the thread. Now, clicking on the name of the thread just takes me to the top of a page in that thread, and I have to scroll through the now-very-many posts that I have already read in order to search for what's new. Needlessly time consuming, compared to the way things used to work.
(Hope someone is working on getting this stuff working again.)
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What's really fun is if you log in with your phone all you're doing now is scrolling and scrolling and scrolling endlessly.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
September 3rd, 2023 at 7:48:03 AM
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So now, after more than two weeks of this "new-format" failure, there are still thousands of broken links to posts. While moderators have indicated that they are following this issue, I don't think I have seen any commitment from any forum administrator that the problem will ever be fixed. Does the management of this forum really not recognize what a problem has been created? Can we expect ever to get it properly resolved?
September 12th, 2023 at 2:18:05 PM
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Miro, the technical wizard behind the Wizard sites has been working hard on this. He has fixed the links in Casino chip of the day index as well as the most recent suspension list. I do not know if he plans to keep making fixes on a post-by-post basis, which is very time consuming.
It is possible to fix the links your self. Let's look at an example from the 2020 suspension list. Look at rdw4potus' suspension on 5/9/20. It has the URL "/forum/info/rules/25231-discussion-ii-about-the-suspension-list/70/#post769073". Take the page number of 347, divide by 5 and round up, which gives you 70. Then substitute that for the 347 and it will take you to the right post.
Please note the system is trying to do the page adjustment for you, but it's not doing it right. You may click on the link, which in the above example takes you to page 85. Don't divide the 85 by 5, but the original number of 347. You can look at the URL of the original link, which you can do by hovering over "permalink." Divide that page number by 5 and round up.
It is possible to fix the links your self. Let's look at an example from the 2020 suspension list. Look at rdw4potus' suspension on 5/9/20. It has the URL "/forum/info/rules/25231-discussion-ii-about-the-suspension-list/70/#post769073". Take the page number of 347, divide by 5 and round up, which gives you 70. Then substitute that for the 347 and it will take you to the right post.
Please note the system is trying to do the page adjustment for you, but it's not doing it right. You may click on the link, which in the above example takes you to page 85. Don't divide the 85 by 5, but the original number of 347. You can look at the URL of the original link, which you can do by hovering over "permalink." Divide that page number by 5 and round up.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
September 12th, 2023 at 7:40:12 PM
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That, by itself, goes a long way into resolving the problem.Quote: WizardMiro, the technical wizard behind the Wizard sites has been working hard on this. He has fixed the links in Casino chip of the day index ...
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Sure, all those other links are problematic, as well as links on other websites that go directly to a post also no longer work. But just how often do they get used?
Chip of the day gets used a LOT!
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
September 12th, 2023 at 8:40:40 PM
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So here is my very sincere "THANK YOU!" to both the Wizard and Miro for making (or help in making) this happen. I was just too dang lazy to manually calculate and edit more than 1,500 posts in the CCotD index thread in order to make things right. I hope that Miro, as a technical wizard, knew how to automate the process of (1) calculating the revised page number and (2) making the 1,500+ necessary edits in the index thread.
Of course, while my frustration has been growing, I took other steps that made things not work out quite so straight forward as they might have. The forum has a relatively-new member with the user ID of Alpha1243. Apparently he is a big-time chip collector, and he has made a bunch of CCotD posts in the past month, basically bringing the thread back to life a bit. Since Alpha was going to the effort of posting and discussing these chips, I felt that I should be adding each of them to the thread index. Unfortunately, I added them with links using the page number in the new forum configuration, with all of them on thread pages 184 and 185. Then, when Miro made his (hopefully automated) edits/corrections to the index thread, the links all showed the calculated page numbers as 37. Ooops!
I think Robert Burns wrote the poem that includes a famous saying that "The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft agley." Anyway, I have now gone back and re-edited the 18 recent links that said page 37 to the correct page 184 or 185.
Thanks again!
Of course, while my frustration has been growing, I took other steps that made things not work out quite so straight forward as they might have. The forum has a relatively-new member with the user ID of Alpha1243. Apparently he is a big-time chip collector, and he has made a bunch of CCotD posts in the past month, basically bringing the thread back to life a bit. Since Alpha was going to the effort of posting and discussing these chips, I felt that I should be adding each of them to the thread index. Unfortunately, I added them with links using the page number in the new forum configuration, with all of them on thread pages 184 and 185. Then, when Miro made his (hopefully automated) edits/corrections to the index thread, the links all showed the calculated page numbers as 37. Ooops!
I think Robert Burns wrote the poem that includes a famous saying that "The best-laid schemes o' mice an' men gang aft agley." Anyway, I have now gone back and re-edited the 18 recent links that said page 37 to the correct page 184 or 185.
Thanks again!
September 15th, 2023 at 6:28:18 AM
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With regard to most broken links now being "fixed", I've got another follow-up question that may or may not be related.
In my August 26 post in this thread, I noted that (in the past) when I clicked on a link in the Recent Threads page, it took me not just to the right page but also to my first un-read post in that thread. (Very convenient.) However, at the time I made that post it was always taking me to the very first post on that page, meaning that I had to scroll down and search for the new info.
Well things have changed now, but it doesn't seem to be quite right. When I am reading the forum on my computer (an Apple running macOS 13.5.2) the links in the Recent Threads page seem to work just the way they used to. (Great!) However, when I am reading the forum on my iPhone (running iOS 16.6.1) it still takes me to the very first post on the page, so that I still have to search for the new info.
Can anyone tell me whether this discrepancy has something to do with not-yet-resolved issues in the forum's format/operations or something to do with my setup on my iPhone?
In my August 26 post in this thread, I noted that (in the past) when I clicked on a link in the Recent Threads page, it took me not just to the right page but also to my first un-read post in that thread. (Very convenient.) However, at the time I made that post it was always taking me to the very first post on that page, meaning that I had to scroll down and search for the new info.
Well things have changed now, but it doesn't seem to be quite right. When I am reading the forum on my computer (an Apple running macOS 13.5.2) the links in the Recent Threads page seem to work just the way they used to. (Great!) However, when I am reading the forum on my iPhone (running iOS 16.6.1) it still takes me to the very first post on the page, so that I still have to search for the new info.
Can anyone tell me whether this discrepancy has something to do with not-yet-resolved issues in the forum's format/operations or something to do with my setup on my iPhone?
September 15th, 2023 at 6:35:26 AM
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Clicking on a link in Recent Threads takes you to the first post of that thread. Been that way since the forum "update."
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https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 15th, 2023 at 6:46:12 AM
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No, at least not for everyone. I just went to the Recent Threads page (on my computer) and clicked on the link for this thread (which noted that you had posted a reply.) That link took me to this page with only my most-recent post and your most-recent post showing.
On the other hand, while entering this post on my computer, I went to the Recent Threads page on my iPhone and clicked the same link. It took me directly to your post, which is the way it is really supposed to work. I tried another link on the Recent Threads page, and that worked, too!
It's as if someone fixed the issue in the last few minutes! I definitely don't understand this stuff.
On the other hand, while entering this post on my computer, I went to the Recent Threads page on my iPhone and clicked the same link. It took me directly to your post, which is the way it is really supposed to work. I tried another link on the Recent Threads page, and that worked, too!
It's as if someone fixed the issue in the last few minutes! I definitely don't understand this stuff.
September 15th, 2023 at 6:54:21 AM
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I'm not an expert on this particular matter, but this sounds webcookie related.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 15th, 2023 at 8:06:35 AM
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On my iPhone I use one browser only, on my Macs I use multiple browsers including one that is set to delete all cookies and flash objects every time it is quit, and the behavior is conflicting.
With some threads I land somewhere other than the first page, with no real rime or reason I can discern. With my own thread I just landed on the last page!
I just tried the Casino Chip of the Day thread, and landed on page 168, somewhere in the middle of the page.
I tried the Adventures of MDawg II, and landed on the last page. Using my MacBook Pro. It wasn't that way yesterday. But Doc may be on to something, I just tried it with my MacBook Pro and landed on the last page. Then when I tried it with the iPhone I landed on the first page.
DOC, are you by any chance using a different browser on your iPhone than on your Mac? That may be the issue.
Another possibility is whether you click to go to the thread on the forum first page
https://wizardofvegas.com/forums/
or from here
https://wizardofvegas.com/recent/
For a minute there I also thought I was getting different results depending on whether logged in to the forum, but I'm not certain of that.
With some threads I land somewhere other than the first page, with no real rime or reason I can discern. With my own thread I just landed on the last page!
I just tried the Casino Chip of the Day thread, and landed on page 168, somewhere in the middle of the page.
I tried the Adventures of MDawg II, and landed on the last page. Using my MacBook Pro. It wasn't that way yesterday. But Doc may be on to something, I just tried it with my MacBook Pro and landed on the last page. Then when I tried it with the iPhone I landed on the first page.
DOC, are you by any chance using a different browser on your iPhone than on your Mac? That may be the issue.
Another possibility is whether you click to go to the thread on the forum first page
https://wizardofvegas.com/forums/
or from here
https://wizardofvegas.com/recent/
For a minute there I also thought I was getting different results depending on whether logged in to the forum, but I'm not certain of that.
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I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 15th, 2023 at 9:13:55 AM
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I use the Firefox browser on both my MacBook Air and my iPhone. It may not be the best choice for use on Apple products (don't really know), and I'm not sure how I got started using it. I think the reason I have stuck with it relates to my laziness -- I have bookmarks set up for usual destinations and don't want to have to set them up in another browser.
I certainly suspect that one would get different results when not logged into the forum. Specifically, if some forum links are trying to take you to the thread right at the first post that you haven't yet read, then you likely would need to be logged in (both your current session and when reading previously) for it to know which posts you have read and which you have not. I haven't paid any attention to what cookies WoV might be saving on my devices and what previous visits it might be keeping track of based on my logging into the forum. I think I am logged in on every visit.
I typically access the forum through the Recent Threads list, though I have a bookmark for the Casino Chip of the Day Index thread.
I certainly suspect that one would get different results when not logged into the forum. Specifically, if some forum links are trying to take you to the thread right at the first post that you haven't yet read, then you likely would need to be logged in (both your current session and when reading previously) for it to know which posts you have read and which you have not. I haven't paid any attention to what cookies WoV might be saving on my devices and what previous visits it might be keeping track of based on my logging into the forum. I think I am logged in on every visit.
I typically access the forum through the Recent Threads list, though I have a bookmark for the Casino Chip of the Day Index thread.
September 15th, 2023 at 9:31:48 AM
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All right I just tested it, logged in, Recent Threads clicking on The Adventures of MDawg II, goes to the last post of the thread.
Logged out, goes to the first post of the thread.
Same browser, same laptop.
So we're onto something there.
I don't believe this forum is anywhere near capable of detecting what the last post you read was, but being logged in does seem to direct you to a different fixed spot.
Maybe you could try the same thing on your iPhone logged in or out and let us know.
Logged out, goes to the first post of the thread.
Same browser, same laptop.
So we're onto something there.
I don't believe this forum is anywhere near capable of detecting what the last post you read was, but being logged in does seem to direct you to a different fixed spot.
Maybe you could try the same thing on your iPhone logged in or out and let us know.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 15th, 2023 at 9:39:10 AM
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From the
https://wizardofvegas.com/subscriptions
page, seems like it lands only on the first page of the thread.
https://wizardofvegas.com/subscriptions
page, seems like it lands only on the first page of the thread.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 15th, 2023 at 10:11:35 AM
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I don't believe this forum is anywhere near capable of detecting what the last post you read was, but being logged in does seem to direct you to a different fixed spot.
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Using chome on either a Windows desktop or my Android phone, when clicking on a link in the recent threads or in an e-mail to a subscribed thread I am always brought to first unread post in the selected thread. I am automatically logged in every time I access this site.
September 16th, 2023 at 9:41:27 AM
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It would seem that it either takes you to the first post of the thread (if not logged in) or the last (if logged in).
There are threads where I have never visited the thread at all, read nothing, and the behavior seems the same.
Also, if the thread is just one page long, it seems to take you to the top of the first page no matter what.
The whole thing's...unclear.
There are threads where I have never visited the thread at all, read nothing, and the behavior seems the same.
Also, if the thread is just one page long, it seems to take you to the top of the first page no matter what.
The whole thing's...unclear.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 16th, 2023 at 2:51:21 PM
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Quote: MDawgIt would seem that it either takes you to the first post of the thread (if not logged in) or the last (if logged in).
There are threads where I have never visited the thread at all, read nothing, and the behavior seems the same.
Also, if the thread is just one page long, it seems to take you to the top of the first page no matter what.
The whole thing's...unclear.
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I don't know what to tell you.
For me, when I click on a thread from the hot list, if I've read all the posts, it jumps to the end. (I believe via #postnnnnn anchor suffix.)
If there are new posts, it jumps to the first unread, I believe by the same mechanism.
I know we use different browser software on different hardware, so it could be behavioral idiosyncracies.
We may or may not both use the hot list.
May the cards fall in your favor.
September 16th, 2023 at 7:52:17 PM
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I don't think the primitive software on this forum is capable of knowing if someone has read or not read posts. What if I go to a given page of a thread - there are 50 posts on that page - just because I land on that page the software now assumes that I have read every post?
I don't think I have ever read every post on a page at this forum let alone in an entire thread, not even my own.
I think it's pretty much a lands on the first page or last page thing, with some unexpected variations where it lands somewhere in between.
I don't think I have ever read every post on a page at this forum let alone in an entire thread, not even my own.
I think it's pretty much a lands on the first page or last page thing, with some unexpected variations where it lands somewhere in between.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
