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Supposedly this is part of what Don Jonhson did too with throwing in eye candy stand ins to take the "bad cards" out of the deck on his way to winning millions. Although - he claimed that the eye candy was also used to induce strategic misdeals from the dealers.
»Expected unwanted cards »Quote: MDawgOf course try to tell someone who has won BIG doing this, with a friend playing first base at table minimum and myself right behind him playing all the way to max, instructing the burn hand to take hits to get rid of expected unwanted cards, that there is no advantage to two hands...and you'll have a hard time convincing me.
Do you have crystal ball for that, or are you just delusional ?
MDawg, please, either take a blitz course in probabilities, or stop altogether polluting discussions between adults. Thank you.
There are at least a few differences between you and me:
1 - I actually gamble. You seem to stay at home and think about gambling a lot. Why you bother to post, is beyond me, I wouldn't waste my time posting and thinking deeply about a subject with which I had little or no connection. Still, if you want to spend your time enlightening us on statistics and such when no one is paying you and you'll apparently never use any of your theories in real practice, that is up to you.
2 - I know who I am. Do you? A secure well balanced person wouldn't need to be so impolite and puerile in his language and tone. If you have a point, it should carry on its own without the need for padding it with pejoratives.
3 - Did I mention #2?
Take care.
You don’t know who I am. I gamble rarely, precisely because I know the math.Quote: MDawgKubikulann,
If you have a point, it should carry on its own without the need for padding it with pejoratives .
Telling an imbecile she/he is an imbecile is not enough. The pleasure is to express it in a way that makes the rational people laugh.
But it also colours up the text when you tell a not so imbecile that he/she is one.
I argue politely with my equals.
I just make fun of those who don’t understand anyway.
It's not just that you are, as you put it, a "low roller," it's that your posts are a joke.
On the one hand you make posts about statistics, but according to your posts, your actual game play consists of wandering low-end casinos looking for €1 roulette. Why are you playing a no-win completely random game like roulette if you are so hell bent on playing only the advantage odds? You ask questions about how to count cards, but create threads about how you "Stop while ahead" after winning €100 at BJ and wonder if you did the right thing. Your gaming action conflicts with any of your high falutin' talk, and that you are so sensitive and insecure speaks miles about you too.
I've actually been to Hommerson and Scheveningen casinos in The Hague, so my experience is actually closer to your home, than anything you've experienced in my home country. Or you've experienced anywhere. Which is fine, as you've admitted you are even less than an "armchair player" you're merely an unemployed mathematician - who calculates the math but plays without even considering the math. ("roulette" and "stop while ahead" blackjack)
Anyway, if you'd asked politely, I would have explained that when playing a small hand and a large one, or having another player or players play in front of you in BJ, whether you direct the "burn" players in front of you take cards or not is not based on "knowing" what the coming card might be, but on the count and what cards have fallen previously especially in the sequence just prior with these data considered against what card or type of card is needed for the big player. Is it foolproof? Is anything in gambling? I'd elaborate further, but why? No matter what theory I expound or you expound you're still going to go back to playing roulette, a straight loser game, or blackjack without counting where your only strategy is "Stop while ahead." You're an exercise in contradictions.
Quote: kubikulannYou don’t know who I am. I gamble rarely, precisely because I know the math.
Telling an imbecile she/he is an imbecile is not enough. The pleasure is to express it in a way that makes the rational people laugh.
But it also colours up the text when you tell a not so imbecile that he/she is one.
I argue politely with my equals.
I just make fun of those who don’t understand anyway.
Kublikulan,
English is not your first language, so perhaps you don't understand some nuances. You're being quite rude, but I'll stop with a warning. Please resume your polite self.
Perhaps, yes.Quote: beachbumbabsKublikulan,
English is not your first language, so perhaps you don't understand some nuances. You're being quite rude, but I'll stop with a warning. Please resume your polite self.
Perhaps also I felt insulted by MDawg. I must lack nuance not only about words. I profoundly dislike that kind of [insert word that you don’t deem rude]. If he doesn’t like our posts, let him get back where he belongs and have discussion with his kind.
We French (speakers) are often referred to as rude. You point to an explanation: Perhaps it is a question of language. Perhaps we do not find it rude, after all. An American friend told me, in the USA when you are asked by someone « what do you think of my new outfit? » you are to answer « gorgeous! Magnificent! Allah Alhbar, you are so lovely! Etc. » He told me how surprised he was that here, we answer with frankness. That is not considered rude to say « This is not your type » or « this is ridiculous. »
If reading and listening to drivel leads me to the conclusion that the person I face is an imbecile (hypothetical, of course 🤔) , why should I pretend that he/she is not? Why should I not warn my fellows? Why should I endure more BS? Politeness is not an efficient strategy in this case, since I don’t need and don’t want to have more to do with the person. Better let him know in frank terms that he is unwanted.
In summary : you Americans prefer political correctness to truthfulness. We prefer frankness to hypocrisy.
(On the other hand, we judge your president to be an extremely rude (and stupid) person. Yet his supporters seem to see him as a True American. But they go berserk if somebody says f$!# or lets a breastfeeding be seen. Go figure.)
Quote: kubikulannPerhaps, yes.
Perhaps also I felt insulted by MDawg. I must lack nuance not only about words. I profoundly dislike that kind of [insert word that you don’t deem rude]. If he doesn’t like our posts, let him get back where he belongs and have discussion with his kind.
We French (speakers) are often referred to as rude. You point to an explanation: Perhaps it is a question of language. Perhaps we do not find it rude, after all. An American friend told me, in the USA when you are asked by someone « what do you think of my new outfit? » you are to answer « gorgeous! Magnificent! Allah Alhbar, you are so lovely! Etc. » He told me how surprised he was that here, we answer with frankness. That is not considered rude to say « This is not your type » or « this is ridiculous. »
If reading and listening to drivel leads me to the conclusion that the person I face is an imbecile (hypothetical, of course 🤔) , why should I pretend that he/she is not? Why should I not warn my fellows? Why should I endure more BS? Politeness is not an efficient strategy in this case, since I don’t need and don’t want to have more to do with the person. Better let him know in frank terms that he is unwanted.
In summary : you Americans prefer political correctness to truthfulness. We prefer frankness to hypocrisy.
(On the other hand, we judge your president to be an extremely rude (and stupid) person. Yet his supporters seem to see him as a True American. But they go berserk if somebody says f$!# or lets a breastfeeding be seen. Go figure.)
What I am going to say is, I prefer truthfulness. I'm not asking you to stop calling out nonsense if you see it. However, by the rules and guidelines of this forum, and it is sometimes a very fine line, you must confine yourself to critiquing the post or the system or the ridiculous content, not the person posting it.
Calling a post ludicrous, imbecilic, nonsense, or other descriptors is not a problem. Your truthful opinion, and even better, reasoned rebuttal, is very welcome.
Calling (or implying directly) a member an imbecile is a personal insult. Whether it's truthful or not, it's insulting to the member themselves, not to what they've written. Do not continue to address another member like that.
As I said, it's a fine line. But you seem quite intelligent, so I'm sure you can discern the difference.
And, this board is meant for minors as well as adults. Please don't write any more f-bombs.
Thanks very much.
Quote: MDawgKubikulann,
There are at least a few differences between you and me:
1 - I actually gamble. You seem to stay at home and think about gambling a lot. Why you bother to post, is beyond me, I wouldn't waste my time posting and thinking deeply about a subject with which I had little or no connection. Still, if you want to spend your time enlightening us on statistics and such when no one is paying you and you'll apparently never use any of your theories in real practice, that is up to you.
2 - I know who I am. Do you? A secure well balanced person wouldn't need to be so impolite and puerile in his language and tone. If you have a point, it should carry on its own without the need for padding it with pejoratives.
3 - Did I mention #2?
Take care.
A well balanced person would know when his act has worn thin ....
Thank >you<, BBB! for these wise and well put out words. I understand my mistake. (That is, not per se, but relative to the forum’s rules.) I must not say « you are unwanted here », I should rather say « your nonsense is unwanted ». Which, by the way, is what I actually mean.Quote: beachbumbabsCalling a post ludicrous, imbecilic, nonsense, or other descriptors is not a problem. Your truthful opinion, and even better, reasoned rebuttal, is very welcome.
Calling (or implying directly) a member an imbecile is a personal insult. Whether it's truthful or not, it's insulting to the member themselves, not to what they've written. Do not continue to address another member like that.
As I said, it's a fine line. But you seem quite intelligent, so I'm sure you can discern the difference.
And, this board is meant for minors as well as adults. Please don't write any more f-bombs.
Thanks very much.
As for your so-called f-bomb, it is a very weird concept from m’y European (or is it just French ?) point of view. Most of what we get to see about American culture is the movies. To us, it appears that f~§! is the most used word in US English… 😄 😉
Again, language. We have the words « impoli » (impolite) and « grossier ». That last has three English equivalents: gross, rude and foul. (Although gross also covers « vulgaire » and rude sometimes just means impoli.) You see, semantic borders are not identical. Consequently, we don’t make a difference between rude language and foul language. We don’t blot out foul words. F*&# is untranslatable because no French word conveys the horror that you semm to attach to its use. So we have come to say F*&# ourselves ; but it is part of low key swearing, like « putain! » or « merde! ». We don’t make a nervous diarrhea when it is read or heard. It doesn’t offend kids, they know better. Trust their intelligence, they can distinguish levels of language. They don’t need to be kept out of the real world.
In the UK, comedians for adult audiences freely use the f-word, and it can now be heard on TV after the watershed. Some films are now no longer edited for foul language; and some people, typically lower classes, also use swear words in their everyday conversations. The f-word will occasionally be quoted in upmarket newspapers; but mostly you will not see it in mainstream writing or on daytime TV/radio.
It seems reasonable for someone where English isn't a first language, as there are many weird things, that some of its subtleties are unknown. For a laugh how do you pronounce "Featherstonhaugh"? - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_in_English_with_counterintuitive_pronunciations
if I may call it such
does not become you,
my little brother.
Watch that, O Bill Ryan. Do watch that.
I was using the common (though not elegant) formula in French for deriding someone having a fit about something others consider benign: « faire un caca nerveux ». Caca is the generic term, used at home or with children for example. Not considered foul; . Should I have said « nervous poo » ? I don’t think the meaning would have been understood. 😋
Quote: kubikulannThank >you<, BBB! for these wise and well put out words. I understand my mistake. (That is, not per se, but relative to the forum’s rules.) I must not say « you are unwanted here », I should rather say « your nonsense is unwanted ». Which, by the way, is what I actually mean.
As for your so-called f-bomb, it is a very weird concept from m’y European (or is it just French ?) point of view. Most of what we get to see about American culture is the movies. To us, it appears that f~§! is the most used word in US English… 😄 😉
Again, language. We have the words « impoli » (impolite) and « grossier ». That last has three English equivalents: gross, rude and foul. (Although gross also covers « vulgaire » and rude sometimes just means impoli.) You see, semantic borders are not identical. Consequently, we don’t make a difference between rude language and foul language. We don’t blot out foul words. F*&# is untranslatable because no French word conveys the horror that you semm to attach to its use. So we have come to say F*&# ourselves ; but it is part of low key swearing, like « putain! » or « merde! ». We don’t make a nervous diarrhea when it is read or heard. It doesn’t offend kids, they know better. Trust their intelligence, they can distinguish levels of language. They don’t need to be kept out of the real world.
This type of discernment (our forum shorthand is "attack the post, not the poster") is best seen by example in our Rules of Decorum in our US House and Senate debates, with which you would of course not be familiar. The members there must address one another as "My Esteemed Colleague" or something similar, even if the next thing they say is totally dismissive of the other's position.
It's also addressed in some detail in Robert's Rules of Order, which is used by many civil organizations to maintain order at meetings and conferences.
What that line does here is keep the forum from being a cesspool of name-calling and trolling. People don't like being argued with or proven wrong, of course, but it allows things to stay somewhat civil during heated debate.
As to foul language, the forum shorthand is "keep it PG". Which is meaningless to you, as it's an American movie rating system that codifies our peculiar Puritan inconsistencies of language, violence, and sexual content into tiers. So I included it in my warning explanation rather than suspending you for it.
In general, PG language requires euphemisms for the bluntest curse words and sexual labels. It does not allow the showing of genitalia or sexual congress, the sounds of sexual intercourse, or graphic violence that involves a lot of blood and gore.
I prefer the French way of direct language, myself. And their honest portrayal of sexuality. I happen to think a lot of the reason Americans are so violent, unhappy, and confused about sex is that it is repressed and made equivalent to violence in our media and social interactions. But my personal opinion doesn't matter when enforcing the board's rules.
So, despite the foul language we export (which is designed to shock and titillate, and it still does here), please consult our wise but sadly, deceased critic George Carlin on which words are generally not PG. Here's a wiki entry on the words and a discussion about them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words
I would add to that list the words God, Goddamn, asshole, bitch, Jesus Christ, pussy, when used in a derogatory or profane context will probably result in unwanted moderator attention. In America, this is usually offensive language.
(And NO, guys, this is not an invitation to test out other words, nor meant to be an all-inclusive, or comprehensive list. The point is an attempt at consistent moderation across languages and social conventions. But you knew that, didn't you?) Sacre bleu! :)
Quote: kubikulannHow do you say ‘defecate’ in day-to-day language if you cannot use the word sh** ?
I was using the common (though not elegant) formula in French for someone having a fit about something others consider benign: « faire un caca nerveux ». Should I have said « nervous poo » ? I don’t think the meaning would have been understood. 😋
I'm about to be 61 and can't recall the last time I needed a word for defecation. I use the word bullshit a lot, especially given the utter mendacity of many trump supporters but have never sat around searching for words to describe bodily functions.
I mean, when at home, people probably don’t say « I go defecate. »Quote: billryanI'm about to be 61 and can't recall the last time I needed a word for defecation. I use the word bullshit a lot, especially given the utter mendacity of many trump supporters but have never sat around searching for words to describe bodily functions.
I imagine « I’m going to the bathroom » or « toilet » or « loo » is the most frequent, if like here.
But sometimes, and with children, you need to be more precise. My dictionary offers « to do a pooh ». Do you really say that?
Quote: kubikulannI mean, when at home, people probably don’t say « I go defecate. »
I imagine « I’m going to the bathroom » or « toilet » or « loo » is the most frequent, if like here.
But sometimes, and with children, you need to be more precise. My dictionary offers « to do a pooh ». Do you really say that?
Sadly, yes, toilet functions are almost always euphemisms. For a bowel movement, Do a pooh, Number 2, make a doodie, other toddler words. See also take a constitutional, visit the library, "I'll be gone a while" and a hundred others.
I'm going to try and split off the language conversation, though there's not a good transition, since it grew out of the blackjack discussion, but we're now almost completely derailed.
And, kubli, the way those posts came up, you will have missed my detailed response to you, above. Please scroll up.
Quote: kubikulannI mean, when at home, people probably don’t say « I go defecate. »
I imagine « I’m going to the bathroom » or « toilet » or « loo » is the most frequent, if like here.
But sometimes, and with children, you need to be more precise. My dictionary offers « to do a pooh ». Do you really say that?
Go potty [very common for addressing young kids, almost never used for adults]
Poop
Take a dump
Number 2 [Number 1 is urination.]
ETA: bouncing of Babs, my favorite euphemism for it is “I have to see a man about a horse.”
Quote: TigerWuI use poop, crap, and dump.
Crap is a good one but, for our French poster, generally considered vulgar or crude.
Quote: TigerWuI use poop, crap, and dump.
Really? When was the last time you used poop or "taking a dump" in an adult conversation?
Maybe I'm missing something.
Quote: billryanReally? When was the last time you used poop or "taking a dump" in an adult conversation?
Maybe I'm missing something.
This morning my wife asked me where I was going and I said: to take a dump.
Quote: billryanReally? When was the last time you used poop or "taking a dump" in an adult conversation?
Maybe I'm missing something.
Literally every single day.
Quote: beachbumbabsAnd, this board is meant for minors as well as adults. Please don't write any more f-bombs.
Should get rid of the “I certify I am at least 21 years of age” checkbox on the registration page if this is the case. I have to check that box every few days when I make new sock puppet accounts. 😁
Quote: MDawgOf course try to tell someone who has won BIG doing this, with a friend playing first base at table minimum and myself right behind him playing all the way to max, instructing the burn hand to take hits to get rid of expected unwanted cards, that there is no advantage to two hands...and you'll have a hard time convincing me.
What makes this so silly is that you are completely unable to explain any possible way your expectations of unwanted cards has any validity.
And telling us it must be true because you bet billions and won millions, while other people have never bet anything is about the weakest explanation anyone could ever come up with.
In England, it's less vulgar to say 'I'm going for a crap' than 'I'm going for a sh1t'*... Or 'taking a pee' is less vulgar than 'taking a p1ss' But then again, why would we announce what bodily function we are about to do? It's not that we need to update our facebook status page with such fine detail.Quote: kubikulannI mean, when at home, people probably don’t say « I go defecate. »
I imagine « I’m going to the bathroom » or « toilet » or « loo » is the most frequent, if like here.
But sometimes, and with children, you need to be more precise. My dictionary offers « to do a pooh ». Do you really say that?
*As a moderator here, I'd tend to obfuscate such mild expletives like 'sh1t' and 'p155' But I would be lenient if others did not do so, sparingly and in context.
I acknowledge what kubikulann says about mainland European attitudes being a little more blunt in use of expletives. Brit's are mid way between US and Mainland Europe on the prudishness scale.
For 'insults' I look to how our UK parliament uses acceptable parliamentary language. There it's unacceptable to say that a member of parliament is a liar or thief or any number of similar adjectives. One would simply say that 'I find the honorable member's statement to be hard to believe and suggest that he reviews his recent expenses claims which might have some errors.' I understand the French would be less subtle.
Quote: TomGWhat makes this so silly is that you are completely unable to explain any possible way your expectations of unwanted cards has any validity.
And telling us it must be true because you bet billions and won millions, while other people have never bet anything is about the weakest explanation anyone could ever come up with.
This times 1000!
I rarely use those words. I don't ever feel the need to mention anything other than the fact I or anyone else had to go to the bathroom. Like if someone says I had to take a dump. I'm thinking to myself, I really didn't need to know that. Keep it to yourself.Quote: billryanReally? When was the last time you used poop or "taking a dump" in an adult conversation?
Maybe I'm missing something.
I do you the F word and even worst at times. If a guy says he has to take a piss(in hapahearo's case, a sissy tinkle) that seems fine fine, But talking about taking a dump or whatever just seems strange and disgusting to me.
And I never want to ever hear a girl say anything stronger than potty.
Gotta make a pit stop.Quote: TigerWuI use poop, crap, and dump.
Is it true ‘crap’ is derived from the name of an inventor of toilets, named Thomas Crapper? Or is it just another false etymology ?Quote: unJonCrap is a good one but, for our French poster, generally considered vulgar or crude.
Quote: kubikulannIs it true ‘crap’ is derived from the name of an inventor of toilets, named Thomas Crapper? Or is it just another false etymology ?
False etymology.
False - there's an interesting website https://www.etymonline.com/ that has mucho info on most of the words we've been discussing.Quote: kubikulannIs it true ‘crap’ is derived from the name of an inventor of toilets, named Thomas Crapper? Or is it just another false etymology ?
A favourite in Belgium is « going where the King goes on foot ».Quote: FCBLComishI always liked "An urgent need for a haircut" which I got from Tom and Ray Magliozzi. Extra bonus points if you know who they are.
Quote: FCBLComishI always liked "An urgent need for a haircut" which I got from Tom and Ray Magliozzi. Extra bonus points if you know who they are.
Well, it's happened again. I wasted a perfectly good minute reading FCBL's post.
Please write out the bonus point question on the side of a 2019 FM Lowe WT and send it to...
Did you see that interview where Kellyanne Conway uttered:
« The wall! The wall!… You want to make it a four-letter word! »
Quote: AxelWolfI rarely use those words. I don't ever feel the need to mention anything other than the fact I or anyone else had to go to the bathroom. Like if someone says I had to take a dump. I'm thinking to myself, I really didn't need to know that. Keep it to yourself.
I do you the F word and even worst at times. If a guy says he has to take a piss(in hapahearo's case, a sissy tinkle) that seems fine fine, But talking about taking a dump or whatever just seems strange and disgusting to me.
And I never want to ever hear a girl say anything stronger than potty.
we all know girls dont crap.
I am very quiet about my bodily functions. I never announce it and I won't do it when people are around. Just a weird quirk of me.
BTW, speaking of the F word. I very rarely use it and if I do it is usually because I stubbed my toe on something and I say something like jgdfc, I have noticed that woman are much more likely to drop an F bomb around other people than men.
Quote: GWAE
BTW, speaking of the F word. I very rarely use it and if I do it is usually because I stubbed my toe on something and I say something like jgdfc, I have noticed that woman are much more likely to drop an F bomb around other people than men.
Then they wonder why they cannot get a good man. It is a total turn-off when a woman talks this way. Even guys in the mafia will consider a woman a whore if she talks that way. I told a younger guy my opinion of women using it, and while I will not repeat it in public here he both thought it was humorous but true.
Quote: AZDuffmanThen they wonder why they cannot get a good man. It is a total turn-off when a woman talks this way. Even guys in the mafia will consider a woman a whore if she talks that way. I told a younger guy my opinion of women using it, and while I will not repeat it in public here he both thought it was humorous but true.
Makes no difference to me one way or the other. Reminds me of high school girls making list of irrelevant things of why they won't date a guy.
Quote: rxwineMakes no difference to me one way or the other. Reminds me of high school girls making list of irrelevant things of why they won't date a guy.
Everyone has their standards. Mine is that I do not see the better women talking like that. And the better men I have met do not tolerate their women talking that way.
Take the Browns to the Superbowl.Quote: TigerWuI use poop, crap, and dump.
Quote: AZDuffmanAnd the better men I have met do not tolerate their women talking that way.
And they keep 'em in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, right?
Quote: TigerWuAnd they keep 'em in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, right?
Don't have to be barefoot and pregnant. Just don't talk like a whore.
why would you handicap your speaking ability by so much.Quote: GWAEwe all know girls dont crap.
I am very quiet about my bodily functions. I never announce it and I won't do it when people are around. Just a weird quirk of me.
BTW, speaking of the F word. I very rarely use it and if I do it is usually because I stubbed my toe on something and I say something like jgdfc, I have noticed that woman are much more likely to drop an F bomb around other people than men.
Warning this might be slightly offensive to some people.
Quote: AxelWolfwhy would you handicap your speaking ability by so much.
Because some people just enjoy being offended and clutching their pearls.
Ironic that some of the people in here complaining that the world is too "PC" are some of the very same people getting offended by cuss words.
Quote: TigerWuBecause some people just enjoy being offended and clutching their pearls.
Ironic that some of the people in here complaining that the world is too "PC" are some of the very same people getting offended by cuss words.
I never said that I was offended. I just prefer not to use the word. As for taking a deuce, I just prefer not to discuss that.
