What would the casino/ pitboss do in this situation?
I was playing one of my usual bet selections that called for a bet on player. I leaned over the sea of people to place my bet on player, after doing so one of the Asians did not want me betting player and took my bet off. I leaned over again and placed my bet back on player and told him not to touch my bet again. It remained on player and I won the hand.
If I hadnt seen the Asian bloke remove my bet and asked where my pay was at end of hand, I guess they would have looked at the video. Is it likely that the casino would have paid my bet or would I have had to take it up with the guy who removed the bet?
I cant imagine the casino would have paid the bet.
I have on occassions been asked by security and pitbosses to pay back a bet to dealer from a few hands ago that was incorrectly paid (mainly at blackjack) with no video proof offered.
I can't Imagine the casinos would make a habit of paying you. Sounds like someone could take advantage of this, even colluding. They might a few times if you're a good customer or the other guy is well known.Quote: Walkinshaw30tI was in a situation while playing baccarat recently, banker was winning by a ridiculous margin (around 15 player wins to 40 banker wins) and as expected all the asians were betting banker.
I was playing one of my usual bet selections that called for a bet on player. I leaned over the sea of people to place my bet on player, after doing so one of the Asians did not want me betting player and took my bet off. I leaned over again and placed my bet back on player and told him not to touch my bet again. It remained on player and I won the hand.
If I hadnt seen the Asian bloke remove my bet and asked where my pay was at end of hand, I guess they would have looked at the video. Is it likely that the casino would have paid my bet or would I have had to take it up with the guy who removed the bet?
I cant imagine the casino would have paid the bet.
I have on occassions been asked by security and pitbosses to pay back a bet to dealer from a few hands ago that was incorrectly paid (mainly at blackjack) with no video proof offered.
Quote: AxelWolfI can't Imagine the casinos would make a habit of paying you. Sounds like someone could take advantage of this, even colluding. They might a few times if you're a good customer or the other guy is well known.
Yeh possibly
If the bet was moved by the guy, and the player lost, would you want the casino to take those cheques?
Your beef is with the guy who removed your bet due to his illogical superstition.
Quote: sodawaterI don't think the casino would have paid the bet. They have to pay the winning bets on the layout. The bet wasn't on the layout when they dealt the hand. On self-service bets like baccarat, it's the player's job to make sure the bet is placed correctly. You did that when you noticed the guy moving your bet.
If the bet was moved by the guy, and the player lost, would you want the casino to take those cheques?
Your beef is with the guy who removed your bet due to his illogical superstition.
Yikes! I would want the dealer to say something like ' WHAT THE FRIG ARE YOU DOING TOUCHING HIS CHIPS!' Do it again and you are out of here! I'm sorry sir, I will replace your bet to its proper place before I deal the cards!
Quote: beachbumbabsI would expect the Asian to get reprimanded from the pit. Touching other people's bets? Wow. I'm sure we're much more sensitive to this in the states than other places, where it's common for people to play behind other's spots, but removing someone's bet...wow again. That's not even an acceptable joke.
Yeh it was pretty damn rude - I had never seen this happen before and would hope the player be booted if it was made known to dealer/ pit
Quote: bushmanThat is quite bold that a player touched your money. I don't know, but I think you handled it much better than I might have. You replaced your bet and told him not to touch your money again. I might have smacked his hand as soon as he touched my money. Along with asking him what he thought he was doing (not as nicely as I have just written.) Of course, then there would have been all kinds of chaos. That said, I can't believe the dealer(s) said nothing.
Haha yeh was lucky I was in a good mood 👊
I can understand the dealer missing it because the pit was chaos with people throwing their money on banker.
Being nice and friendly to the boss, dealers, etc. in general is helpful for those situations that show up in the future where something got messed up.
Quote: Walkinshaw30tI have on occassions been asked by security and pitbosses to pay back a bet to dealer from a few hands ago that was incorrectly paid (mainly at blackjack) with no video proof offered.
Here's what Bob Nersesian has to say about it.
Begin listening at 35:00 . In the future, this may be of some value if you find yourself in the situation again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-AgsmibTrE
Don't be so quick to give the money back.
Quote: Walkinshaw30tYeh it was pretty damn rude - I had never seen this happen before and would hope the player be booted if it was made known to dealer/ pit
Probably won't happen. They play favorites when it comes to high rollers. If these Baccarat players were betting black, then the only thing that surprises me is that they didn't make you leave. Happened to me twice.
Once was while passing the Baccarat alcove. One old guy was hitting banker after banker. So I got in on that action by putting a greenie on Banker. It won, and I let it ride. Hit another banker. That's when the old guy said: "He's stealing my luck". He was betting purple. The floor man came over, and made it a private table, and told me to get lost.
The second time was at the Desert Inn (LV, NV) where I and a friend were playing the Don't Pass, and doing very well. He was half drunk, and called out "C'mon seven!" after every point went up. A black chip player who was losing heavily on the Pass line (and making every sucker proposition, covering all the box numbers) complained, and we were backed off. We were red chip players.
The Golden Rule (He who has the gold makes the rules) very much applies.
Quote: ComplexEnigmaI thought touching another player's bet was a huge no no, even for big fish. The few times I've seen it, the people involved were sternly (albeit as nicely as a stern message can be delivered) warned not to do it again, and often times it was the player's wife/friend/whatever that was touching the chips. I'd have to think all hell would have broken loose if someone did what you described at the casino I go to, and my local casinos tend to be far less high strung than the Vegas/AC ones I've been to. I can see someone being told to find another table because they were messing with the high rollers' mojo; however I can't imagine the floor letting a player mess with another player's bets no matter the bank roll. In Washington at least the player has to be the last person to touch the bet in order for it to be a legal bet, so they get pretty cranky if someone other than the player messes with the bets.
Yes Ive got no doubt that the dealer or pit would have definately had a few words to say to him if they had noticed it.
It was very poor form to touch my bet, though I can kind of understand how he got carried away with all the excitement around the extreme banker dominance.
That cannot be the case with prop and place bets, among others.Quote: ComplexEnigmaIn Washington at least the player has to be the last person to touch the bet in order for it to be a legal bet, so they get pretty cranky if someone other than the player messes with the bets.
Quote: SanchoPanzaThat cannot be the case with prop and place bets, among others.
Craps and roulette aren't legal in Washington (outside of reservations) so this isn't an issue.
If he just moved it off if the betting radius because of superstition, I have no clue. But I would hope the casino would kick him off.
I love baccarat, but this is why I hate playing it, it seems to attract the most obnoxious superstitious people. I have never had anyone attempt this on me. But it is pretty "normal" for people to scream at me for "betting against them". Sometimes it gets super awkward especially at a table where everyone thinks like that... I have no clue why but baccarat is like a magnet for those kinds of people...
Quote: GandlerDid he take it off and try to steal it? If so he should have probably been arrested for thievery...
If he just moved it off if the betting radius because of superstition, I have no clue. But I would hope the casino would kick him off.
I love baccarat, but this is why I hate playing it, it seems to attract the most obnoxious superstitious people. I have never had anyone attempt this on me. But it is pretty "normal" for people to scream at me for "betting against them". Sometimes it gets super awkward especially at a table where everyone thinks like that... I have no clue why but baccarat is like a magnet for those kinds of people...
The superstition gets weird sometimes. I was playing craps once at a 5 dollar table and when the dice came to me I put a bet on the don't pass because I always seven out on my first roll. The guy next to me notices and starts screaming about how I'm messing up the flow of the dice. About half the other players put there money on the don't at this point and I roll. Immediate PSO. Probably the closest I've come to having someone attack me in a casino (mind you this is a 5 dollar table). I imagine the only reason he didn't was the security guard attracted by his original screaming.
