AxelWolf
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February 22nd, 2014 at 9:09:43 PM permalink
I think it is obvious what I want to know, What this is worth or what it adds. correction 5 left


answers to questions you might have:

I don't know what game we would play it on. I was just waiting until we played something with value anyways.

I don't have a complete understanding on how the Bingo bonus money decreases. I'm not sure if it goes down less playing higher denominations with 10 coins as apposed to 5 coins. So i was avoiding playing any hands on and lower bets.

perhaps someone like Drich might understand a bit more how the GB jackpot decreasing works

Lest assume we can play this on a 99 % game or better on $1-$5 denomination I think it decreases to 7k on .25

Never mind the nuances of the back up card unless that's a big factor (im sure its not) or crappy cash back or anything extra.

For anyone who dose not understand GB at all here it is however this dose not REALLY explain how the Bingo decreases. we could play a hand and tell you however the rate seems to change as you play.
Four-of-a-kind Bingo
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The object of Four-of-a-Kind Bingo is to hit all Four-of-a-Kind combinations within 2,000 hands to win up to $60,000 on Dollars, $15,000 on Quarters or $6,000 on Nickels.

When you log on to Gamblers Bonus, you will see your personal Four-of-a-Kind Bingo cards. The top Bingo card, indicated by the letter "P" is your Primary Bingo card. When you hit a natural Four-of-a-Kind, you´ll see an X mark off the corresponding number or letter on your Primary card.

You also have a Secondary card, indicated by the letter "S". The Secondary card is used to track duplicate Four-of-a-Kinds.

Once you hit your first Four-of-a-Kind, the machine begins to count the hands you play. Hit the twelve remaining Four-of-a-Kinds in any order within 2,000 or less hands and you’ll win the big jackpot!

Once you hit all 13 hands on your primary card, you win the cash value of your primary card.

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Once you hit your first Four-of-a-Kind, the machine begins to count the hands you play. Hit the twelve remaining Four-of-a-Kinds in any order within 2,000 or less hands and you’ll win the big jackpot!

Once you hit all 13 hands on your primary card, you win the cash value of your primary card.

Thank you guys in advance
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beachbumbabs
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February 23rd, 2014 at 4:58:46 PM permalink
I'm not a mathie (yet, anyway), so this is just my opinion.

The Wiz's calculator, which I finally got to load, says 4OAK on 9/6JOB happens on average 1 in 423 hands. No reason to think that frequency would change significantly on any other paytable. They only give you 2000 to do 13 of them, with no duplication, in order to win something. I would think that the 8 you already have (presumably within the 2000, unless it's a rolling total it keeps; are they dropping out the oldest hand, or is it 2000 or bust and start over?) was already improbably lucky, since you have at least 10 with 2 secondary markoffs. So I don't see how this can add a significant value to the game. Not that it's impossible, but that it's very unlikely given the 2000 limit and 13 unique hands needed that anyone will ever actually win this. Perhaps, if it is a rolling total, your second set of 4J - for example - would move up to the primary line if that was the first one you hit, and it would keep tracking your bonus climb?

Given that the bonus is proportionate to the coin played (assuming the 5c machine is 10 play and the others are 5 play to qualify for the bonus; if they're all 5 play = bonus qualifiers, then the nickels would be the best value), I would think the value of the play is equal across all platforms as a percentage. So you could play whatever level worked for your bankroll without leaving anything on the table, even though the absolute value of the bonus is 60K. OTOH, the top value of your cards seems to fully fund play either at the 5c or 25c maximum level, but be well below the $1 maximum pot, so that would indicate you should be playing quarters, because that's the highest awardable value that could be paid in full.
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AxiomOfChoice
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February 23rd, 2014 at 5:19:16 PM permalink
I understand neither what is being asked, nor Babs' answer. In other words, I'm completely lost.

If you just want to know how much the top card is worth -- how many more hands do you have to try to hit it? It is fairly straightforward to figure out the probability of hitting those 4 4OAK's in n hands for any n, if you don't make any strategy variations.

However, it may be worthwhile to change strategy somewhat at some point (similar to the way that you don't hold a 2nd high card with your A in DDB because AAAA is worth so much in that game) You are basically playing a game with a different paytable when you are down to your last 4OAK, and even before then there may be strategy changes.

(What game are you playing to try to hit this?)
Mission146
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February 23rd, 2014 at 5:20:59 PM permalink
I might just have a shortcut:

In 9/6 JoB, the probability of getting a 4OaK is 0.00236255, therefore, the probability of getting a specific 4OaK is: 0.00236255/13 = 0.00018173461

If you wanted to have a hand of Four Aces, then the probability of not getting it would be:

(1-0.00018173461) = 0.99981826539

In an individual hand.

The probability of NOT getting Four Aces in 2,000 consecutive hands is:

0.99981826539^2000 = 0.6952371619

Thus, the probability of getting a specific 4OaK at least once in 2000 hands would be 1-0.6952371619 = 0.3047628381

This is where I am just hoping my reasoning is correct:

We're going to say you need to accomplish that feat 12 times within 2000 hands (technically, 1,999) because I assume every 4OaK starts a new potential series of 2,000 hands.

(0.3047628381)^12 = 0.000000642013428 = 1/0.000000642013428 = 1 in 1557599.82017

One should also recall the above is the probability of that happening within a unique set of 2,000 hands assuming the first 4OaK counts as starting a new series).

In other words, you should effectively do this once every 1,557,600 FIRST hands which are constituted as being the first 4OaK in a potential series.

$60,000 is 60,000 dollars or 12,000 units.

$15,000 is 60,000 quarters or 12,000 units.

$6,000 is 120,000 nickels or 24,000 units.

12000 * 0.000000642013428 = 0.00770416113 units (bets)

24000 * 0.000000642013428 = 0.01540832227 units (bets)

In terms of dollars, it is worth roughly 5 * 0.00770416113 = 0.03852080565 or 3.85 cents every 2000 hands.

In terms of nickels, it is worth roughly (5 * 0.01540832227)/20 = 0.00385208056 or 0.385 cents every 2000 hands.

In other words, it's worthless.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
DRich
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February 23rd, 2014 at 5:22:32 PM permalink
I have not played much Gamblers Bonus lately but I believe the regression rate was the same for $1 and up.The largest one I ever hit was for just over $2000. As far as multiplay machines go, IGT machines only report the hand outcomes for the bottom hand in the SAS message. It really is just a legacy problem for the protocol because they only allowed 5 bytes for the outcome in the message. My company developed a four of a kind prize wheel that spins when you hit any designated 4k's and one of the biggest complaints we had was people hitting them on hands 2 through ten and not getting a spin on the wheel. There was just no way for us to electronically know what those hands were.
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