Why do dealers cut single and double decks 50 % and is there any casinos in vegas that don't.

Does the dealers get a advantage.

The house edge gives the casino the advantage over all but a few good card counters. Those 50% cuts are to thwart said counters and most would not play with that poor penetration. The ones that try usually find that the betting spread required to beat that game won't be tolerated and either move on or get backed off.

Deeper pen can be found in Vegas but must be tempered by things like rules and table limits that you can afford. Obviously you shouldn't play 6:5 even with great pen.

Don't play at the Boyd casinos. They cut off 1 deck and you can't double after split. Stations is better.

50% pen on double deck is beatable, you just need a spread that's going to catch some attention, so you can't stick around as long.

1-6 spread can beat a DD game that's deeply dealt. Move to a 50% cut and now you're spread has to be more like 1-8 or 1-10, and a 1-10 spread will get you noticed right quick at most DD games.

It's a cat and mouse world, and I effin' love every second of it. But it's not paying my bills so I can afford to have some more fun :).

IMO, with a 50% pen on DD (rule dependent) you need at least a 1 to 16 spread to get a 0.8% advantage.

Casinos who cut off half the deck in DD are stupid and are losing MUCH more money on time and motion issues. A good Surveillance dept. will catch the counters, why don't they just deal the game and let AcesAndEights make some money :)

It seems again to me casinos jumping the gun and making silly decisions without actually thinking it through.

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IMO, with a 50% pen on DD (rule dependent) you need at least a 1 to 16 spread to get a 0.8% advantage.

Casinos who cut off half the deck in DD are stupid and are losing MUCH more money on time and motion issues. A good Surveillance dept. will catch the counters, why don't they just deal the game and let AcesAndEights make some money :)

It seems again to me casinos jumping the gun and making silly decisions without actually thinking it through.

Funny, the experts were unanimous in saying the same thing to the casino operators at the G2E symposium; they're wasting a huge amount of money shuffling while protecting against things that aren't happening even close to the frequency the operators think. The operators were very quiet and seemed mostly unresponsive. I think you're stuck with low pen for some time to come.

Yes they are. They believe that card counters are the biggest threats to casinos since the invention of the light wand. THere are countless other ways to deal with card counters which does not initially rely on taking out half the deck on a DD game.

Sometimes I think these casino VP's get on a "kick" and don't think the entire situation through. On the other hand I believe they are all under pressure to perform and therefore make bad decisions based on inferior information.

Oh well, to each his own!

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Yes they are. They believe that card counters are the biggest threats to casinos since the invention of the light wand. THere are countless other ways to deal with card counters which does not initially rely on taking out half the deck on a DD game.

Sometimes I think these casino VP's get on a "kick" and don't think the entire situation through. On the other hand I believe they are all under pressure to perform and therefore make bad decisions based on inferior information.

Oh well, to each his own!

Some are starting to get it albeit slowly. Deeper penetration results in more hands dealt and more hands dealt means more profit for the casino. It really is that simple. Here in New England, where only shoe games are offered, two of the three casinos have deep pen. They also use ASMs to further increase the hands per hour.

They must feel that they're worth it considering the fees that they command. Twin River even has an ASM in their high limit area.

When are you going to wake up, Mohegan Sun?

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Funny, the experts were unanimous in saying the same thing to the casino operators at the G2E symposium; they're wasting a huge amount of money shuffling while protecting against things that aren't happening even close to the frequency the operators think. The operators were very quiet and seemed mostly unresponsive. I think you're stuck with low pen for some time to come.

Reminds me of the Moneyball "math geeks" front office vs. "old-school" managers and scouts.