MathExtremist
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August 27th, 2013 at 10:50:58 AM permalink
If I understand correctly, the "flag" button increments a point counter on a particular post, and if a post's flag point count is high enough it is deleted. A person's "flagging points" are related to their membership tenure such that it takes around two long-term members to flag-delete a post but more shorter-term members. Administrators can flag-delete posts immediately.

If so, I recommend modifying the flag button for a person's own posts to say "delete" and implementing conditional logic where if a user flags their own post, their flagging points are always sufficient to delete their own post.

That would eliminate the need to edit duplicate or erroneous posts with the text "delete" or what have you.

Edit: I just realized there isn't a self-flag feature, so I amend my request to simply "add a delete button for your own posts" that reuses the flag functionality behind the scenes.
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tringlomane
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August 27th, 2013 at 11:54:14 AM permalink
Yeah, if it isn't a ton of effort, I definitely second this. Deleting your own posts is occasionally a useful function.
DJTeddyBear
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August 27th, 2013 at 12:15:14 PM permalink
Yeah, admins can delete with one click.

And that is another problem. I'm sure that when I was an admin, I deleted at least two posts by mistake.

If this is implemented, please add a verification step.
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August 27th, 2013 at 12:16:52 PM permalink
Crap. Double click.

I can use that delete function right now...
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Doc
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August 27th, 2013 at 12:19:23 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Deleting your own posts is occasionally a useful function.



Definitely. And, as in craps, timing is everything.
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August 27th, 2013 at 1:19:59 PM permalink
I appreciate you bringing up the flag function. I meant to look up just how that works, because I came upon a strange post last night in the general forum...a brand new member posted a couple paragraphs full of links for multi-dvd set buying. I hit "flag" and....nothing. Post disappeared, couldn't find it again, had no idea what I'd accomplished. So it must disappear for me, and it's something that pops a note to one or more admins but doesn't delete the post? I'm not sure it even deserved a flag but it looked like spam to me. I thought I'd get a chance to attach a follow-up request to it or something, but that must be implied in the flag. Am I understanding how it works and using it correctly?
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Mission146
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August 27th, 2013 at 1:20:32 PM permalink
You guys will have to convince the Wizard, in fact, on the Philosophy Board I used to Moderate, we made it impossible to Edit one's own post in any way after 72 hours.
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August 27th, 2013 at 1:27:21 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I appreciate you bringing up the flag function. I meant to look up just how that works, because I came upon a strange post last night in the general forum...a brand new member posted a couple paragraphs full of links for multi-dvd set buying.



I also flagged that post. I figured others would too eventually.

I sometimes go look at earlier posts of the same member (if there are any) though even if it looks like spam, just to see if they've made any posts other than spam- like stuff.
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August 27th, 2013 at 1:29:35 PM permalink
Welp, I've asked about flagging blogs before. A lot of crap shows up there and I'm not referring to dice.
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August 27th, 2013 at 1:49:47 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

... we made it impossible to Edit one's own post in any way after 72 hours.


That would really be a problem for places like post #1 of the Casino Chip of the Day thread, where I maintain a directory of the hundreds of chips that have been discussed.
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August 27th, 2013 at 3:21:10 PM permalink
Quote: Doc

That would really be a problem for places like post #1 of the Casino Chip of the Day thread, where I maintain a directory of the hundreds of chips that have been discussed.



I don't know what the functionality of it here is, but we can exclude individual Members from the Rule, even in individual Sub-Forums. You have to specify a bunch of specific permissions, or something that sounds like that which I don't understand, but I guess it's easy enough.
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August 27th, 2013 at 3:23:59 PM permalink
I think allowing someone to delete their own posts allows them to post something very negative or against the rules and then after someone (or the person they intended it for) sees it, they can just delete it.

The editing just by itself sometimes even causes issues. Ahigh (and I'm sure others) was famous for writing a post and then sometime later (I think it can even be done after replies have been made" adding to it or changing it. He did it all the time.

I'd love to see a "thumbs up" or "good post" button for individual posts much more than a delete button. There have been tons of posts worthy of a "thumbs up" within a thread that may not be all that great. We have some really fabulous posters here that deserve some credit for great input and insight.

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Mission146
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August 27th, 2013 at 4:07:33 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I think allowing someone to delete their own posts allows them to post something very negative or against the rules and then after someone (or the person they intended it for) sees it, they can just delete it.



There's that problem, and there's also the problem of thread continuity. The former problem is obvious, but the thread continuity problem is someone deciding they don't want to be a Member anymore, and using the Edit to de facto delete all of their posts. It screws up the threads, obviously.

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The editing just by itself sometimes even causes issues. Ahigh (and I'm sure others) was famous for writing a post and then sometime later (I think it can even be done after replies have been made" adding to it or changing it. He did it all the time.



Exactly, and that was what caused the 72-hour rule to come into existence.

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I'd love to see a "thumbs up" or "good post" button for individual posts much more than a delete button. There have been tons of posts worthy of a "thumbs up" within a thread that may not be all that great. We have some really fabulous posters here that deserve some credit for great input and insight.

ZCore13



I agree with that, but the credit comes from the inherent respect that they will receive from other Members. Their posts will be read, and responded to in a generally intelligent, insightful and respectable way. It is to that extent that message boards are often for individual Members what individual Members make of them. The quality of your posts will be reflected in the quality of responses you get.
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AZDuffman
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August 27th, 2013 at 6:33:07 PM permalink
Not to pile on the suggestions, but perhaps the ability to delete for a short period? Most of the folks here would want to mainly delete the accidental duplicate posts that can happen. Some mortgage software I have used allowed editing for a few minutes only after posting in case you had an "ooopsie" moment.

We can edit, so that much is cool. Or we can just use the convention of editing it to "duplicate, please flag or delete."
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August 27th, 2013 at 6:59:36 PM permalink
I think 72 hours on the edit rule is far too long too. I like a 24 hour limit.
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August 27th, 2013 at 7:05:47 PM permalink
I like 2 minutes. I hate when people edit information after someone comments on it and then the comment seems stupid or irrelevant.

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August 27th, 2013 at 7:12:28 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Ahigh (and I'm sure others) was famous for writing a post and then sometime later (I think it can even be done after replies have been made" adding to it or changing it. He did it all the time..


The funniest time was when Ahigh accused another member of wanting his wife. lol

Of course, he quickly deleted that post. ;)
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August 27th, 2013 at 8:45:30 PM permalink
I edit all the time to finish run-on sentences and dangling participles. I wouldn't edit after a reply. And definitely not to change context after the fact. If what I post is wrong and I'm called out, I have to live with it. I if needed find the correct information.

As for deleting posts, communities like this depend on posts by members and can be a bad thing. The only other reason to delete is when you are cleaning up the mess and putting away your toys. For the site owner he may own all the information posted if it was in the TOS and won't want people to delete posts.

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August 28th, 2013 at 7:58:01 AM permalink
I was frustrated once when someone made a post in an existing thread, I replied, then later the post that I responded to was deleted. So, instead of having the humility to accept a mistake and publicly own up to it, he deleted the post.

For double posts, maybe the site could recognize them and ignore the second post.
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August 28th, 2013 at 9:32:33 AM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

I was frustrated once when someone made a post in an existing thread, I replied, then later the post that I responded to was deleted. So, instead of having the humility to accept a mistake and publicly own up to it, he deleted the post.

For double posts, maybe the site could recognize them and ignore the second post.



I haven't double posted in some time but when I did I simply added please flag to the extra post. It worked then but will it now? We used to have a clear understanding of the flagging process but we don't anymore. The administrators now choose to keep it secret.
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August 29th, 2013 at 4:52:31 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

I haven't double posted in some time but when I did I simply added please flag to the extra post. It worked then but will it now? We used to have a clear understanding of the flagging process but we don't anymore. The administrators now choose to keep it secret.



I don't even think that I get them, perhaps only Wizard does. I pretty much read every thread, though, and usually delete double posts if someone Edits the second and puts, "Duplicate post," or something to that effect.
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