Wanted -- Moderators
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57 members have voted
Quote: Mission146OD is already a Mod, why would he need a vote?
Ironic...isn't it?
Quote: coachbellyIronic...isn't it?
The most overused word in the language.
Why are you bothering me, anyway? You've served your purpose here, no reason to address me in this thread. Do you have any comments on who should be a new mod?
Obviously, I would be BMOAT, unfortunately, I look terrible in green and so ill stick with the cool blue color tones.Quote: OnceDear
Read Wizard's post again...If you have applied, that might be your answer. What is it recruiters say? "Previous applicants need not reapply"
Quote: Mission146You've served your purpose here
Not necessarily for your exclusive benefit, but I'm facilitating the conversation by explaining some of the subtleties found within,
Sure he said that, but then take a look at it closer.Quote: coachbellyHe's voting for OD.
OnceDear said, so, by my interpretation, EvenBob is saying that Mission does not have enough honesty, frankness, fairness or impartiality.......
Then Bob said, that's exactly what I was saying. Bob basically doubled down on the original insult, and WMOAT does nothing.
Quote: AxelWolfSure he said that, but then take a look at it closer.
OnceDear said, so, by my interpretation, EvenBob is saying that Mission does not have enough honesty, frankness, fairness or impartiality.......
Then Bob said, that's exactly what I was saying. Bob basically doubled down on the original insult, and WMOAT does nothing.
The target of the insult asked him not to. Perhaps Mission has accepted Jesus Christ as his personal lord and savior and is turning the other cheek. God works in mysterious ways and who are we to question her?
Quote: billryanThe target of the insult asked him not to. Perhaps Mission has accepted Jesus Christ as his personal lord and savior and is turning the other cheek. God works in mysterious ways and who are we to question her?
No, I didn't. I specifically asked for action to be taken against EB for trolling, personal insult and harassment.
OD said no, explained why and gave EB a soft warning.
EB then quoted part of that post and said some more stuff, so I am complaining about EB on the grounds of Trolling again.
Quote: MrVYes, the mind boggles.
Dog catcher, maybe, but not moderator.
You certain you didn't mean Dawg catcher?
Marcus Clark
Real Person; AKA MarcusClark66
Professional Casino Security Expert
Certified Company Firearms Instructor
Certified Gaming Regulations Interpreter for Corporate Applications
Tic-Tac-Toe Expert (Real Competitive Versions) & Mastering Chess
Honorary & Official #1 Fan of the MDawg Adventures Club
Mastering Cracking it. Bit-by-Bit, Piece-by-Piece Crediting Forum Members
Baccarat Winning Session Record: 7 out of 7 & 1 out of 1 Mini Session
Quote: Mission146There is definitely a rule against discussion of religion. I'd recommend anyone take that over to DT and EB will join you in three days and me in a week.
Pass over (get it?) the chocolate covered matzoh! This is getting interesting.
Quote: billryanThe target of the insult asked him not to. Perhaps Mission has accepted Jesus Christ as his personal lord and savior and is turning the other cheek.
LOL! Now that's funny.
I concur. A clever use of the quote of me to deliver his trolling repetition. I should have suspected something when he gave me his vote.Quote: Mission146No, I didn't. I specifically asked for action to be taken against EB for trolling, personal insult and harassment.
OD said no, explained why and gave EB a soft warning.
EB then quoted part of that post and said some more stuff, so I am complaining about EB on the grounds of Trolling again.
I must express some surprise that Mission is so upset by anything that EvenBob could post. But clearly he is upset.
EvenBob has had his share of 'warnings' for borderline infringement of the rules, so I'm going to round up this time with a short suspension. 3 Days this time. I considered the marty to 7, but I'm going with 3.
I'd hate for EB to be bored; I don't know what he went and got himself banned at DT for. Perhaps I might PM him the name of somewhere else where he can hang out with some friends over the next three days, although, I'm not sure he'd want to talk to me there.
In any event, I am most enthusiastic about his return after his three day ban for Trolling is completed. I almost always enjoy the back and forth that the two of us have.
Quote: Before: Marcusclark66I agree Mission, stop the trolls and accept any savior that might come along.
Marcus Clark
Real Person; AKA MarcusClark66
Professional Casino Security Expert
Certified Company Firearms Instructor
Certified Gaming Regulations Interpreter for Corporate Applications
Tic-Tac-Toe Expert (Real Competitive Versions) & Mastering Chess
Honorary & Official #1 Fan of the MDawg Adventures Club
Mastering Cracking it. Bit-by-Bit, Piece-by-Piece Crediting Forum Members
Baccarat Winning Session Record: 7 out of 7 & 1 out of 1 Mini Session
Quote: After: Marcusclark66I agree Mission, stop the trolls and accept any savior that might come along.
There. Isn't that so much easier to read?
I understand how MarcusClark might like to inject his personality a little, and there's no explicit rule about having sigs within posts. But this is over the top.
MarcusClark66. Desist from padding out your posts in this way. There is a perfectly serviceable signature feature. You already use it.
Rules 5 and 7 cover this, in my interpretation.
No penalty for now, but persist with this kind of sig and I'll consider it trolling.
Quote: OnceDearThere. Isn't that so much easier to read?
I understand how MarcusClark might like to inject his personality a little, and there's no explicit rule about having sigs within posts. But this is over the top.
MarcusClark66. Desist from padding out your posts in this way. There is a perfectly serviceable signature feature. You already use it.
Rules 5 and 7 cover this, in my interpretation.
No penalty for now, but persist with this kind of sig and I'll consider it trolling.
Okay, i agree as Mission already talked to me by pm about this! I will fix it now.
Marcus Clark
Real Person; AKA MarcusClark66
As though your name isn't already automatically and prominently listed next to your post.Quote: Marcusclark66Okay, i agree as Mission already talked to me by pm about this! I will fix it now.
Marcus Clark
Real Person; AKA MarcusClark66
C'mon Mr Clark.... One little shove and you can fit your sig where it belongs. Humour us eh?Quote: MichaelBluejayAs though your name isn't already automatically and prominently listed next to your post.
Like Michael said your name is already automatically and prominently listed next to your post.
Quote: Marcusclark66Okay, i agree as Mission already talked to me by pm about this! I will fix it now.
Marcus Clark
Real Person; AKA MarcusClark66
I'm sorry, Marcusclark. I'd have let you have the full tag lines once per page. I thought that they were somewhat funny, provided they didn't take up a ridiculous amount of space. I'd sometimes even read them to see if you added any new items.
Quote: OnceDear
So, by my interpretation, EvenBob is saying that Mission does not have enough 𝙝𝙤𝙣𝙚𝙨𝙩𝙮
Quote: EvenBobWow, that's exactly what I was saying. Good job.
how pathetic
a member who has made all sorts of false claims about beating roulette talking about someone else's honesty
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Quote: lilredroosterhow pathetic
a member who has made all sorts of false claims about beating roulette talking about someone else's honesty
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In general, it would be tough to disagree. I certainly haven't been honest in everything I have done in life 100% of the time. I always Administrated the Forum in a way that I at least considered honest when I did that.
EvenBob's entire objection is about our relationship to each other as regular Members. I'd probably recuse myself from taking any action detrimental to EvenBob, because it's no secret that we're not BFFs.
Quote: OnceDearC'mon Mr Clark.... One little shove and you can fit your sig where it belongs. Humour us eh?
Like Michael said your name is already automatically and prominently listed next to your post.
Okay?
I’m sad. I really enjoy your schtick.Quote: Marcusclark66Okay?
one of the members here when they're feeling good - having a very good day - licking their chops
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Quote: lilredroosterhow pathetic
a member who has made all sorts of false claims about beating roulette talking about someone else's honesty
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Saying that someone "has made all sorts of false claims" is calling EvenBob a liar, and a personal insult.
Quote: MDawgSaying that someone "has made all sorts of false claims" is calling EvenBob a liar, and a personal insult.
Some of the specific claims could be considered logically/mathematically invalid; I'm sure that's what was meant.
Unfortunately, this is why I wouldn't have been able to nominate you. 75% of active membership would be banned in the first twenty minutes. JK
If it's light enough...and I mean really light...try to let the first one go---see how the person it was directed at responds.
Quote: OnceDearI concur. A clever use of the quote of me to deliver his trolling repetition. I should have suspected something when he gave me his vote.
I must express some surprise that Mission is so upset by anything that EvenBob could post. But clearly he is upset.
EvenBob has had his share of 'warnings' for borderline infringement of the rules, so I'm going to round up this time with a short suspension. 3 Days this time. I considered the marty to 7, but I'm going with 3.
I was surprised that Mission146 turned on EvenBob so quickly, or at all, too. EvenBob did repeat whatever it was that he wanted to say a few times, but not excessively.
I recall Mission146 going back and forth with other members far more times than a few in a debate. Yes, by the end of such debates I could tell that Mission146 was testy. If he can't engage without getting testy, then maybe it is best that he decided not to become a mod.
But in the field of candidates who have shown interest, I can't think of too many who would be better than Mission146.
Quote: WizardMission is the only even half-way qualified person to show any interest.
Look at some Supreme Court decisions---probably half of the country would accuse half (or more) of the Justices of getting it wrong and half of the country the other half of the justices. You can't be right all the time. I'd hope that the standard for a niche gambling message board would be lower than that of a Supreme Court Justice, but if not, maybe I should go try to be one of those.
The members who jump right in with "it's impossible" combined with all their snide remarks, obviously not neutral, in my opinion not qualified to be moderators.
Moderator as far as handing down suspensions has to do it based on the rules, not opinion as to whether likes, dislikes, agrees with or disagrees with the content.
Quote: MDawgThe way I look at it, for example in debates over whether MDawg or EvenBob could be winning, you've handed it to us that yes, it's possible. That shows neutrality.
The members who jump right in with "it's impossible" combined with all their snide remarks, obviously not neutral, in my opinion not qualified to be moderators.
Moderator as far as handing down suspensions has to do it based on the rules, not opinion as to whether likes, dislikes, agrees with or disagrees with the content.
Agree fully with last paragraph.
Quote: MrVYes, the mind boggles.
Dog catcher, maybe, but not moderator.
Personal insult (of Marcusclark66). Three days.
Quote: Mission146Thanks for saying so…my main disagreement is that I’d be a good mod for DT. My political positions are very controversial, so I’d only make a good mod there if I stopped posting.
Also, thanks for all the kind words! You said Cash App, right? JK
Well, there is probably nobody who disagrees with you more than me (we are about as opposite as its possible to be), and debate frequently (more so on DT). And, I still think you are a genuine person with principles (which even if I disagree with I can respect).
So the fact that I disagree with just about every (political) position that you hold and still think you are the best choice should say a lot (at least in my view).
Its being able to separate your member cover from your moderator cover. And, you seem great at that. I think the fact that you are getting so many endorsements from such a wide demographic of members (who rarely agree on anything) should demonstrate that to you.
As for Cash App, I honestly do not know what that is (I am guessing it is a Paypal type program), but I think many members would be willing to donate a few dollars to a fund to help crowd source a moderator (I know its a joke, but it could be a plausible incentive).
I truly hope you change your view on withdrawing your name from the running (after finally catching up on the thread at least within a few pages). Because you are the perfect candidate for multiple reasons (they have been stated by countless others so I will not waste space by restating them). Most objections to you (in my view) are baseless and based on personal feelings, from my read through of the thread (my view, I could be wrong, and that is not meant as an insult at any member who has objections).
The one other tangible option that I could think of (that would make most people happy or at least most people not unhappy), is a moderator (or group) with no connection to the forum at all. Bringing on a third party service to arbitrate complaints and enforce rules based on the published rules of the site, this would eliminate any allegations of bias. Of course this would probably not be free (unless you find an attorney or professional content moderator with way too much free time who wants to get involved in a casino forum for whatever reason, even if just resume experience).
Occasionally, a reader sends me a question that I don't know the answer to, and I always send them here.
Quote: Gandler
The one other tangible option that I could think of (that would make most people happy or at least most people not unhappy), is a moderator (or group) with no connection to the forum at all. Bringing on a third party service to arbitrate complaints and enforce rules based on the published rules of the site, this would eliminate any allegations of bias.
There is a reason that many communities want their peace officers to be members of the community.
An unaffiliated person or service who only searches new posts for swear words and looks at flagged posts will not have a useful understanding of the zeitgeist, and would likely be grossly inappropriate in sentencing.
Tough on crime! Tough on crime!Quote: DieterThere is a reason that many communities want their peace officers to be members of the community.
An unaffiliated person or service who only searches new posts for swear words and looks at flagged posts will not have a useful understanding of the zeitgeist, and would likely be grossly inappropriate in sentencing.
Quote: Gandler
The one other tangible option that I could think of (that would make most people happy or at least most people not unhappy), is a moderator (or group) with no connection to the forum at all. Bringing on a third party service to arbitrate complaints and enforce rules based on the published rules of the site, this would eliminate any allegations of bias. Of course this would probably not be free (unless you find an attorney or professional content moderator with way too much free time who wants to get involved in a casino forum for whatever reason, even if just resume experience).
The Wizard has been having a hard enough time finding people willing to be unpaid moderators even among the people who are already in the forum and who care about it's well-being. Finding forum outsiders who are willing to be unpaid moderators sounds like it would be impractical.
Quote: DieterThere is a reason that many communities want their peace officers to be members of the community.
An unaffiliated person or service who only searches new posts for swear words and looks at flagged posts will not have a useful understanding of the zeitgeist, and would likely be grossly inappropriate in sentencing.
I actually do not agree with that analogy at all. It would be getting too political for here. But, very generally when it comes to local enforcement, its better that people do not live local.
Nobody is going to give a speeding ticket to their buddy (which in a small town is everyone). Local politicians (City Council, Commissioners, Mayor, etc...) are meant to fill this role (be an advocate for locals), people that actually make people unhappy everyday on the ground (giving tickets, telling people what they do not want to hear, collecting taxes, seizing property, etc....), its often better (and safer), for them to live in another town and commute in.... There is a reason that historically when there are allegations of corruption in small towns (even if unfounded), people demand that the FBI or State Agencies come in to restore balance and do an impartial investigation... The phrase "Good Old Boy System" did not originate out of an ether.
I could go on, but this is probably already bordering on too political , especially in a thread about forum rules and mods, so I will end my analogy and examples there.
A third party mod would only have what power the site grants them (including suspension term guidelines, number of days for various offenses, the "martingale effect" for repeat offenses, etc....) , so punishments could only be grossly inappropriate if they were designed by the site to be so.
Social media sites like Facebook and Twitter (and probably every other social media site) have massive teams of "Content Moderators" that have no connection to any individual or group page, but their only job is to respond to "flags" (I am sure in some cases they do random post scans, I would guess if nothing is going on) and see if the post violates a rule and then take the action (which is usually documented to the offending party as to what rule their post violated and how it violated it). This is about as detached from the community as can be (they have no relation to the group of friends in the discussion or no relation to the page or company if on some kind of organization page). I am not saying this is an ideal solution, but it works for such sites (for the record such sites I do not like and am not a part of, but its still a legitimate example).
Quote: gordonm888The Wizard has been having a hard enough time finding people willing to be unpaid moderators even among the people who are already in the forum and who care about it's well-being. Finding forum outsiders who are willing to be unpaid moderators sounds like it would be impractical.
I agree, its a total longshot, unless you find somebody trying to boost their resume or gain experience (such as somebody who aspires to be a future content moderator or even an arbitrator etc....), finding somebody (or group) to volunteer would be a challenge. I was just throwing it out there. But, it would be one way that nobody on any side of the forum could accuse of bias or favoritism etc...
Quote: GandlerI actually do not agree with that analogy at all.
You make fair points.
I personally think that the politics of this forum are fair game for discussion here.
The sites you mention, like Facebook, do use outside moderation. A common complaint I hear when people return from "Facebook Jail" is that they were "just" sassing their friends, the sass got flagged by a passerby, and they got trouble for "Community Guidelines". When they asked what guidelines they violated, a form letter like "Your post violated Community Guidelines." came back, and they're sidelined until the timer goes off.
Let's hope the FBI don't need to be brought here for any reason. That's usually a bad day.
Quote: DieterYou make fair points.
I personally think that the politics of this forum are fair game for discussion here.
The sites you mention, like Facebook, do use outside moderation. A common complaint I hear when people return from "Facebook Jail" is that they were "just" sassing their friends, the sass got flagged by a passerby, and they got trouble for "Community Guidelines". When they asked what guidelines they violated, a form letter like "Your post violated Community Guidelines." came back, and they're sidelined until the timer goes off.
Let's hope the FBI don't need to be brought here for any reason. That's usually a bad day.
I fully agree, there are massive downsides. There is no one perfect answer (probably the closest thing to a perfect answer would be the candidates mentioned above). The advantage that this site has over Facebook, however, is it is smaller and has clearly defined rules (unlike thousands of pages that vary based on the country a post may be visible in on social media sites, this site is based on Nevada law in addition to its clearly stated rules), and when somebody is actioned (for lack of a better word), the green team is always very transparent (suspension list, listing the violation and linking to the exact post(s) that were the cause).
With the exception of blatant spambots, nobody "disappears" from this site (or even gets a short suspension) with no reasoning behind it. I see no reason an external mod could not keep this tradition going (if anything perhaps streamline it to allow regular mods/admins to focus on larger endeavors and other improvements).
Quote: MDawgYes I was wondering why one of the poll choices wasn't
How about MDawg?
the way he seems to pop up in some of these polls lately.
So Mission146 is out? Is anyone left for consideration? If not, then this thread is going to be about burning rubber so why not revise the poll.
Quote: MDawgSo Mission146 is out? Is anyone left for consideration? If not, then this thread is going to be about burning rubber so why not revise the poll.
Two new names will be announced shortly, probably tomorrow.
It sort of was once ( and maybe more than once) When a moderator reported one of those counterfeit selling spammers. We had to leave the post up a few days as evidence. I don't think it came to anything.Quote: DieterLet's hope the FBI don't need to be brought here for any reason. That's usually a bad day.
Quote: WizardTwo new names will be announced shortly, probably tomorrow.
These two candidates have my support 100% to become full green Moderators!
So…who are they? The only thing I know is that neither one of them is me.
Quote: OnceDearIt sort of was once ( and maybe more than once) When a moderator reported one of those counterfeit selling spammers. We had to leave the post up a few days as evidence. I don't think it came to anything.
Sounds like several bad days to me.
Quote: MDawg
The members who jump right in with "it's impossible" combined with all their snide remarks
what kind of response from members do you think is appropriate after you've claimed 50 or whatever straight winning sessions
how about if we ask for your autograph............would that seem about right to you?
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Quote: MDawgThe way I look at it, for example in debates over whether MDawg or EvenBob could be winning,
this is what EB said about you:
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Quote: EvenBobYou're losing me here. If you sit down expecting to win,
knowing you're going to win, why would you get excited?
𝙔𝙤𝙪 𝙟𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙡𝙤𝙨𝙩 𝙝𝙖𝙡𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙘𝙧𝙚𝙙𝙞𝙗𝙞𝙡𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙝𝙖𝙙 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙢𝙚 𝙬𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙨𝙩𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙢𝙚𝙣𝙩. I never get excited, why would I. Why would you.
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