beachbumbabs
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October 28th, 2014 at 2:43:58 PM permalink
Hi, all!

My patent attorney (and many others on here) Rich Newman, has started his own firm as senior partner, still specializing in gaming patents. He is, in my opinion and experience, of the highest quality in work ethic, reliability, integrity, and honesty, and is the only guy I want to work with on future projects in that area. Any past work he did with any of us while with Howard and Howard is currently that firm's property (you are their client) unless you direct them otherwise with a statement he will provide on request. He is ethically and contractually constrained from announcements and soliciting prior clients to move but I am not, so I urge you to close the loop, contact him, and designate him if you want his continued services. His new contact information:

Richard Newman
365 Pilot Road, Suite D
Las Vegas, NV 89119

Phone: 917-543-2166

email: rich@newmanlawlv.com
PM on this forum: RichN

I will also be posting this in the Game Inventor's Corner: please excuse the duplicate posting in this case.
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October 28th, 2014 at 3:08:50 PM permalink
how is this not spam?

why did you make duplicate posts in two forums?

if anything, this belongs in the kiosk, not shouted out as an announcement in two forums.

this looks like an abuse of power to me.
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October 28th, 2014 at 3:22:54 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Hi, all!

My patent attorney (and many others on here) Rich Newman, has started his own firm as senior partner, still specializing in gaming patents. He is, in my opinion and experience, of the highest quality in work ethic, reliability, integrity, and honesty, and is the only guy I want to work with on future projects in that area. Any past work he did with any of us while with Howard and Howard is currently that firm's property (you are their client) unless you direct them otherwise with a statement he will provide on request. He is ethically and contractually constrained from announcements and soliciting prior clients to move but I am not, so I urge you to close the loop, contact him, and designate him if you want his continued services. His new contact information:

Richard Newman
365 Pilot Road, Suite D
Las Vegas, NV 89119

Phone: 917-543-2166

email: rich@newmanlawlv.com
PM on this forum: RichN

I will also be posting this in the Game Inventor's Corner: please excuse the duplicate posting in this case.



Have you no shame at all? This is a blatant and deliberate violation of Forum Rule 5.
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October 28th, 2014 at 3:31:09 PM permalink
Sorry Babs. I side with SodaWater and BB on this one.

On the other hand, I disagree with Soda's statement that t belongs in the kiosk. Game Inventor's Corner is the only place this should be.

Do yourself a favor and delete this duplicate.
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October 28th, 2014 at 4:01:43 PM permalink
Doesnt power allow abuses? Not just on this post, but in life in general? I am not saying this is an abuse, but what the hell does it hurt? The people complaining about this seem to be ones who complain about other issues on the forum. Here's a simple solution....start your own forum or BUY this one. People who complain about minor stuff like this are usually the ones who complain they are "victims" all the time. WAKE the hell up and realize the world isn't fair and you get out of it what you put into it. If Babs broke the rules, how the hell did it hurt YOU??? You want everything to be fair all the time and complain when someone has more than you. Yet you have no clue what they did to get ahead in life. And NO, I am not talking about Babs here, only people like YOU Soda and 1BB. I meet everyday complaining about the hand life has handed them. And I don't know either of you so if you are doing great in life, CONGRATS!!!! But then, why complain about something like this? Why does it bother you so much? And if the owners or the Wizard feels she or any of us abused the rules, they DEAL with it. As stated before, we are all GUESTS here and any of us can be shown the door at anytime. And if it is decided I am not welcome here after this post, I will live with it and not lose sleep. But what I wont do is question why someone has more than me, I will continue to look at ways to emulate those who do, instead of look for ways to bring them down. Boz!
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October 28th, 2014 at 4:05:37 PM permalink
Boz, you are complaining about people that complain?
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October 28th, 2014 at 4:10:00 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Doesnt power allow abuses? Not just on this post, but in life in general? I am not saying this is an abuse, but what the hell does it hurt? The people complaining about this seem to be ones who complain about other issues on the forum. Here's a simple solution....start your own forum or BUY this one. People who complain about minor stuff like this are usually the ones who complain they are "victims" all the time. WAKE the hell up and realize the world isn't fair and you get out of it what you put into it. If Babs broke the rules, how the hell did it hurt YOU??? You want everything to be fair all the time and complain when someone has more than you. Yet you have no clue what they did to get ahead in life. And NO, I am not talking about Babs here, only people like YOU Soda and 1BB. I meet everyday complaining about the hand life has handed them. And I don't know either of you so if you are doing great in life, CONGRATS!!!! But then, why complain about something like this? Why does it bother you so much? And if the owners or the Wizard feels she or any of us abused the rules, they DEAL with it. As stated before, we are all GUESTS here and any of us can be shown the door at anytime. And if it is decided I am not welcome here after this post, I will live with it and not lose sleep. But what I wont do is question why someone has more than me, I will continue to look at ways to emulate those who do, instead of look for ways to bring them down. Boz!



Well, Boz, since you say I have no clue why don't you clue me in? I'm all ears.

Mods, please don't suspend Boz for this post.
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October 28th, 2014 at 5:24:31 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Here's a simple solution....start your own forum or BUY this one.



So I can't complain about spam? Instead I have to start my own forum or buy this one? That makes a lot of sense. Does this extend to every area of life? If I buy a defective basketball, can I return it or do I have to buy a sporting goods store? Or a rubber company?

Quote: Boz

If Babs broke the rules, how the hell did it hurt YOU???



I read the spam. Do you like reading spam? Just because it doesn't directly hurt you? Would you continue reading a site that allowed spam?

Quote: Boz

But what I wont do is question why someone has more than me, I will continue to look at ways to emulate those who do, instead of look for ways to bring them down.



I wouldn't consider being a volunteer moderator on a relatively lightly read niche Web forum as "having more than me."

Babs's power is almost literally the smallest amount of power that can be abused. That's what makes it all the more pathetic.
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October 28th, 2014 at 5:26:34 PM permalink
Quote: 1BB



Mods, please don't suspend Boz for this post.



I don't think Boz should be suspended for his post, either.

I do think Babs should be immediately stripped of her moderator status and also suspended, maybe permanently.

People in power should be held to higher standards of the rules they enforce, even if it's just in meaningless chatter as in this site.

Babs knew the rules she was breaking; she even went as far as to cite them in her post. She didn't care. She was selfish and thought her spamming needs were more important than the rules she agreed to enforce.

Ban her.
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October 28th, 2014 at 5:48:13 PM permalink
You guys cannot be serious.
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October 28th, 2014 at 5:52:10 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Boz, you are complaining about people that complain?



Yes, Yes I am.

And NO, I didn't say anything that deserves a suspension, but I will put you in there with those who add little and complain about a lot on this forum. Now go spend those comps you talk about all the time. They are getting moldy.
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October 28th, 2014 at 6:01:32 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Yes, Yes I am.

And NO, I didn't say anything that deserves a suspension, but I will put you in there with those who add little and complain about a lot on this forum. Now go spend those comps you talk about all the time. They are getting moldy.



lol ok, since when did I say you deserve a suspension. I was just pointing out that you felt the need to complain about others that were complaining about something else. As always, if you feel I provide to substance to this forum then you always have the option to block me.

BTW I take your "I will put you in there with those who add little and complain about a lot " as a personal attack which it was.
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October 28th, 2014 at 6:23:09 PM permalink
As someone who has hired Richard as my patent attorney I am grateful Babs posted the announcement. I would not have known otherwise until I was notified by H and H that he was not there any longer. Who knows if my paperwork would have been continued by another attorney without my knowing it.

I intend to follow Richard so thanks Babs.

Perhaps it should be moved to Inventors Corner since that is where the inventors go but I would hardly call this spam. It is a useful post for those whose patent work is directly involved.
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October 28th, 2014 at 6:29:03 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz



Perhaps it should be moved to Inventors Corner since that is where the inventors go but I would hardly call this spam. It is a useful post for those whose patent work is directly involved.



First of all, it's in the forum announcements forum. Is it an announcement related to this forum? No, it's Babs's personal spam.

Second, it's an exact duplicate post. It says so in the post! Duplicate posts in two different forums are also not allowed. Doubly so for spamming purposes.
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October 28th, 2014 at 7:00:35 PM permalink
I know an amazing divorce attorney if anyone wants the info!
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October 28th, 2014 at 7:15:34 PM permalink
How is this Spam? It's relevant, useful info for many people on here.

Thanks babs.
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October 28th, 2014 at 7:27:43 PM permalink
Quote: ShineyShine

How is this Spam? It's relevant, useful info for many people on here.



Agreed!

I also concur with BBB that Rich is a great guy and every easy to do business with. I also think his friendly competitor Jon Muskin is good too.
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October 28th, 2014 at 7:27:59 PM permalink
Guys,

Really?
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October 28th, 2014 at 7:34:20 PM permalink
There is no measure by which I would even remotely consider this rising to the level of Spam, it's a post advertising the services of a gambling patent attorney on a gambling message board.

That said, Kiosk may have been a more appropriate sub-forum for the post as it states, "Plug your Las Vegas business interests here," but, at worst, I'd have moved the thread to the Kiosk. Wizard has already chimed in on this thread, so I would assume, he doesn't mind it being placed in announcements.
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October 28th, 2014 at 7:54:22 PM permalink
Someone announcing the news about a gambling attorney's move so that people using his service will know is..well, an announcement.

Is there some specificity to announcements? I think we all agree this is gambling related as he is a gambling attorney. Many people on this forum use him.

He is barred from making announcements himself. He is a member of this forum.

This is a valuable announcement to the forum.
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October 28th, 2014 at 8:02:41 PM permalink
So not a peep from Wizard or Mission on the blatant duplicate posting?
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October 28th, 2014 at 8:05:07 PM permalink
Looks like we all posted at the same time. Thanks, Wiz and Mission!

My point was not to "advertise" for Rich. Howard and Howard has put his balls in a vise, not telling any of us clients we've lost his services, when many if not most of us signed with them because it was his firm. Also, all his work product, contact lists, and other info from "his" clients is their property, so he couldn't contact any of us even if he wanted to make the ethical breach. But I happened to call him and found out MY services had changed even though I wasn't notified, and I've sent him at least a dozen people since I started working with him last year from new game designers here asking for a recommendation. We have current business, and it matters very much that they've parted ways, so I'm pretty unimpressed that they didn't tell me themselves since they're the only ones who could.

I didn't think of the Kiosk sub-forum, to be honest, though it would not have been appropriate IMO. He works nationwide and, I believe, does some international work as well, so it's not a Las Vegas business, though he's located there. There are people who only read the Game Inventor's Corner, and many other people who don't know it's there but are looking for someone like Rich but don't know how to find him, so Announcements seemed correct as well since it's obvious on the home page of the forum.

When it's all said and done, Rich has provided valuable counsel and advice to many people as a member on here over the years just out of goodwill and a genuine interest in the field. As has Jon Muskin, as the Wizard said; an equally solid member and patent attorney. Since Rich couldn't speak for himself, I did. That's all.
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October 28th, 2014 at 8:14:29 PM permalink
the mods must be clueless
these are the same people who permanently suspended harley on 3/19/13 for making duplicate posts


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October 28th, 2014 at 8:25:59 PM permalink
Quote: boccorat

the mods must be clueless
these are the same people who permanently suspended harley on 3/19/13 for making duplicate posts

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/13148-bad-dice-the-saga-continues/7/#post228376
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/13148-bad-dice-the-saga-continues/6/#post227578

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boccorat is banned for duplicate accounts and false signature of another member.
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October 28th, 2014 at 8:40:31 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

boccorat is banned for duplicate accounts and false signature of another member.



LOL

Amateur.
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October 29th, 2014 at 10:37:11 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Guys,

Really?



Yes really. Did you or did you not knowingly violate a forum rule? Once again you have put your fellow administrators in an awkward position just as you did when you defaced one of Doc's photos. I have no issue with Rich Newman or anyone else and I wouldn't have given this a second thought had it not been for the two posts. By the way, they are both still there.

Two administrators have posted in this thread and neither has supported your decision. With the exception of one poster who thinks it's perfectly okay to break forum rules, no one else has supported you. What they have done is sing the praises of Rich Newman and I'm perfectly fine with that.

In the interest of the transparency that you often cite, can you tell us if the Wizard is still the boss? Many still refer to him as such and would like to know what happens to "my house my rules" when the house gets sold.

Rich Newman is a great guy and I wish him the very best even though I don't know him and have never met him. How do I know that? I know that because DJTeddyBear said so a long time ago and that's good enough for me.

I'll end with this from last Sunday's Good Wife episode.

How you prevent a lawyer from drowning?

Shoot him before he hits the water.
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October 29th, 2014 at 10:39:36 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB



I'll end with this from last Sunday's Good Wife episode.

How you prevent a lawyer from drowning?

Shoot him before he hits the water.



My fav show at the moment
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October 29th, 2014 at 10:47:22 AM permalink
I did not deface Doc's photo. If you're going to push your petty vendetta against me, at least get your facts straight.

The Wizard is still the boss. In the words of Zuga, nothing has changed.

Do you really have nothing better to do with your time (and ours) than try to strew hate and discontent about side and made-up issues?
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October 29th, 2014 at 11:09:48 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I did not deface Doc's photo. If you're going to push your petty vendetta against me, at least get your facts straight.

The Wizard is still the boss. In the words of Zuga, nothing has changed.

Do you really have nothing better to do with your time (and ours) than try to strew hate and discontent about side and made-up issues?



Instead of answering my question you accuse me of trying to strew hate. Is that the best you can do? You may hate the fact that I called you on a violation but where is the hate that you accuse me of trying to strew? I think I may be insulted - again.

I have no vendetta against you, Barbara. I actually kind of like you but you broke the rules and I can't help wonder if you think you are above it all due to your position on this forum.

Why not try to fix this and remove one of the posts?
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October 29th, 2014 at 11:14:07 AM permalink
It is a joke that someone as irrational and emotional as BBB is a "moderator" of anything but her cats' feeding schedule.
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October 29th, 2014 at 11:22:19 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

I have no vendetta against you, Barbara.



As an outside observer with little to no knowledge of any previous beefs between the two of you, based on this thread it certainly seems like you have a HUGE vendetta.
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October 29th, 2014 at 11:23:37 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

So not a peep from Wizard or Mission on the blatant duplicate posting?



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October 29th, 2014 at 11:35:56 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

Instead of answering my question you accuse me of trying to strew hate. Is that the best you can do?

No, but it was a nice, tactful way of handling your post.

>>>I have no vendetta against you,
........ANYONE reading your posts would think that BBB's use of the term "petit vendetta" was spot on.

>>> Barbara
No. BeachBumBabs or BBB. Merely because she is using a moniker that suggests her name is Barbara, you do not reveal anything about a poster, particularly a female poster, that she has not publicly revealed.

>>> I actually kind of like you
We ALL do, but you seem to like "petit vendettas" more.

>>> I can't help wonder if you think you are above it all due to your position on this forum.
I can't think of any Green Inker who is better at her job.

>>>Why not try to fix this and remove one of the posts?
Seems more reasonable for you to abandon this petit vendetta...most of your posts are good quality and above all this.
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October 29th, 2014 at 11:37:55 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I sentence BBB to 39 lashes with a wet noodle.

As punishments go, that's fine.

But, since this thread has nothing about Rich other than the original post, and the other thread DOES have good info, let's burry the hatchet and just lock this thread.

If I was still a moderator, I would have done that when I posted on page 1...
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October 29th, 2014 at 11:40:15 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

As an outside observer with little to no knowledge of any previous beefs between the two of you, based on this thread it certainly seems like you have a HUGE vendetta.



You are certainly entitled to your opinion, some here still are, and I thank you for weighing in. Since when does pointing something out turn into a HUGE vendetta as you put it. Shall we all walk on egg shells?

Tell me, is it acceptable to you for an administrator to deliberately break the very rules that they enforce? Is attacking the messenger really the way to go? Do you believe in personal responsibility?
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October 29th, 2014 at 11:54:21 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

No, but it was a nice, tactful way of handling your post.

>>>I have no vendetta against you,
........ANYONE reading your posts would think that BBB's use of the term "petit vendetta" was spot on.

>>> Barbara
No. BeachBumBabs or BBB. Merely because she is using a moniker that suggests her name is Barbara, you do not reveal anything about a poster, particularly a female poster, that she has not publicly revealed.

>>> I actually kind of like you
We ALL do, but you seem to like "petit vendettas" more.

>>> I can't help wonder if you think you are above it all due to your position on this forum.
I can't think of any Green Inker who is better at her job.

>>>Why not try to fix this and remove one of the posts?
Seems more reasonable for you to abandon this petit vendetta...most of your posts are good quality and above all this.



FleaStiff, I'll add you to the list of those who would rather deflect than address what I originally brought up which was a rules violation. Do you have a comment on that?

If Barbara does not want to be called Barbara she can tell me so and I will stop immediately. I call her Barbara because I had a favorite aunt by that name and it makes me think of her.

I call her Barbara because the Wizard has called her that. Do you want to admonish him as well or just me?

Thanks for your input.
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October 29th, 2014 at 12:01:20 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

It is a joke that someone as irrational and emotional as BBB is a "moderator" of anything but her cats' feeding schedule.



Quote: 1BB

Instead of answering my question you accuse me of trying to strew hate. Is that the best you can do? You may hate the fact that I called you on a violation but where is the hate that you accuse me of trying to strew? I think I may be insulted - again.

I have no vendetta against you, Barbara. I actually kind of like you but you broke the rules and I can't help wonder if you think you are above it all due to your position on this forum.

Why not try to fix this and remove one of the posts?[/q



yeppers. harley get permanently banned on 3/19/13 for making duplicate posts
why do they ignore this?

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October 29th, 2014 at 12:32:57 PM permalink
I sure as hell don't care that Babs posted this once, twice, or three times a lady.

The Wizard has already chimed in and doesn't care, get over it.
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October 29th, 2014 at 12:57:11 PM permalink
Every time another post is made in this thread it takes away from the original intent which was to put in a good word for a forum member who is a good guy and who got a raw deal. Does anyone want to do that? I don't.

In deference to that I think the suggestion to close this thread is a good one. Close them both and there will be no need to continue circling the wagons. There's nothing to see here.

I will post this in three different threads so everyone will see it. Just kidding.
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October 29th, 2014 at 1:07:52 PM permalink
Close both threads? Nah. Just close this one.

But I'm interested in the "raw deal" Rich got. I just assumed he decided to become an independent. Note: please post your reply in the other thread:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/game-inventors/19961-rich-newman-patent-attorney-info/
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October 29th, 2014 at 7:06:52 PM permalink
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Two administrators have posted in this thread and neither has supported your decision.



Quote: Mission146

There is no measure by which I would even remotely consider this rising to the level of Spam, it's a post advertising the services of a gambling patent attorney on a gambling message board.



In other words, I wouldn't have banned anyone for this, I'd have just moved one thread to Kiosk and the other to Game Inventor's Corner, or maybe nuked one of the two threads and moved the other to Kiosk, but no way would I ban anyone for this.

Anyway, most seem to support Locking this thread, so that's what I'm doing.

I also support BBB's statement that Zuga said, "Nothing has changed," with respect to the Forums, inclusive to Wizard being in charge. Wizard is also Head of Content for Wizard branded sites and the Forum is nothing but content, so it stands to reason that he'd be in charge of the Forum pursuant to his position.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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