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April 25th, 2019 at 6:24:25 PM permalink
Palms was pretty hot for a while there in the early 2000s, the same way the Hard Rock was pretty hot before it. Then both cooled, and the Hard Rock is in the process of being converted to a Branson "Virgin" casino
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/las-vegas-casinos/hard-rock/30135-hard-rock-soon-to-be-virgin-las-vegas/3/#post709316

The Palms beyond cooled. Got to the point where the crowd there was sketchy, and no one respectable gambled there. They took out their high limit pit. This all happened during the fifteen years or so that I quit gambling, so I didn't really care or keep track of the Palms' status. During that period we went to Vegas still frequently but only as a tourist and not to play a nickel.

Now that I started playing again last year, a friend of mine who went to the private opening of Palms' new club Kaos, said that the place seems to be really happening again. I read that Station Casinos put $620M into the place. (By way of comparison, Branson is putting $150M into the Hard Rock Vegas.)

Long story short I got hold of a host at Palms and opened a line there. It's not a small line, but it's not a whale level line either. This line would be too big for the, say, Palace Station, but my new Palms host says that Palms is ready once again for real action. Before I applied for the line she stated that they have the midi-Bacc tables where may touch the cards. Has anyone actually played there recently? How many midi-Bacc tables do they have?

She also assured that they have 3:2 BJ. Anyone know how many decks, what the rules are, so we may calculate the house advantage? Anyone gamble at the "new" Palms yet?

Would like to find out as much as possible before booking a stay. Otherwise, will just swing by next time we're staying at Cosmo or Encore to figure it out, but these days since I don't play super hard I generally play only where I am staying, one resort at a time.
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April 25th, 2019 at 8:20:28 PM permalink
Why'd you fall off the wagon?
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April 25th, 2019 at 9:19:23 PM permalink
Is the wagon the fifteen years or so that I didn't gamble, or the years that I did? :-)

I did well during both periods. Just...different, is all.
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April 26th, 2019 at 12:13:13 AM permalink
Palms being "stationized" made it worse. They got rid of all the gift card promotions which were awesome. It seems to me that as the years went on it got steadily worse. When I first moved to town the FPDW area was still a thing, and they ran some bingo card promotion which wasn't great but at least they had something. I think the Maloof dude really tried to make it a good gamble but I guess he lost control of the property and the new people didn't care to carry on his tradition.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone at the HL table games area ever, but then again I don't go during peak hours. Last time I was there I think some dude requested $5k in front money at the roulette tables. AFAIK midi bac was $25 min? I just remember that it's really easy to get food comps at Palms.
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April 26th, 2019 at 12:37:35 AM permalink
I like when dj talked about the food comps.
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April 26th, 2019 at 8:25:08 AM permalink
Thanks.

The high limit area was closed for a period of time, and the Palms website verbiage refers to its being "re-opened" is this the "new" high limit room you refer to? From the pictures online all I see are slots in this "new" high limit room, but you mentioned table games.

Yes the Maloofs went bust and had to sell nearly everything they owned just to pay debt service, and eventually sold even the small amount in the Palms they retained so they have been all the way out of the Palms for a while now. I think the height of the Palms was over by 2007, when the Girls Next Door episode was filmed there. After it went downhill and no big players were there I wondered occasionally who was booking their large suites in the Fantasy Tower.

Yes my host said that the min. at midi Bacc is $25. which is fine I play $100. midi tables at Cosmo and Encore.

Last time we stayed there was 2009 I believe it was, we got a free suite because of a host who was a friend; I did not gamble. It was still busy but already on its way down.

One thing I guess I will find out is if a line at Palms translates to a line you may access at all Station Casinos (not that I would want to gamble at any Station casino other than the Palms but just wondering). In the old days it wasn't like that, even when Steve Wynn owned all the currently MGM properties my lines at Golden Nugget, T.I. and Bellagio were all separate. These days all my lines are at independent properties so I haven't been able to test that out.
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April 26th, 2019 at 8:40:36 AM permalink
Quick side-question.... does "midi-baccarat" always mean hands on, regardless of casino? And is it just basic touching/picking up, or are you allowed to bend and mangle them like in Macau?
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April 26th, 2019 at 9:48:50 AM permalink
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Quick side-question.... does "midi-baccarat" always mean hands on, regardless of casino? And is it just basic touching/picking up, or are you allowed to bend and mangle them like in Macau?



"Always" is a tough call. In my experience, the answer is yes. The cards are going into a garbage bin after playing once. So people can bend, stab, rip, whatever.
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April 26th, 2019 at 9:50:19 AM permalink
That is an excellent question. Yes, at midi or grand Bacc (which grand Bacc. is getting very rare, saw it at Caesar's in March 2019, while walking through the last time I was there, they don't seem to have grand Bacc. at Wynn/Encore/Cosmo even the special limit players in the back rooms at Wynn/Encore I saw playing at midi tables only), but anyway - yes, midi Bacc. means you may touch the cards.

There is currently one table at Cosmo that appears to alternate between being designated a mini (may not touch the cards) and midi. The table looks the same on the outside, its designation just depends on the day and shift.

BACK THEN:
As far as HOW FAR you are able to go with the "touching," in the old days in Vegas and Tahoe when I played fifteen years or so ago, they allowed most everything except tearing the cards in half (which, some people even did that, and it depended on the pit boss if he was going to step in to stop that action or not), but in general, you could bend, poke holes in (looking for the dots), crumple, whatever the cards.

The general rule back then in Vegas and Tahoe was that as long as the card was still readable to the crew and camera, you could do whatever.

Back then on one big hand my buddy who was with me and I had a pre-designated shtick routine where I already knew what I had and then tore the corner off the card and handed it to my friend, he put it in his mouth, and said, "Mmm, tastes like a nine." At that point the pit boss stepped in and said, "Okay! that's enough." but it was as much about how he was tired of that I'd been winning ceaselessly for close to two weeks on that trip, as about tearing off a piece of the card.

Another time in Tahoe the pit boss told me I could touch the cards but asked me not to bend them so that they could put them back in for another round of play, because there was another set of players at the table whom she said, "Don't want to wait" for brand new cards on each shuffle. I was by far the bigger player at the table that day, but I accommodated them. Nowadays most casinos don't pitch cards even in BJ, so this would never be allowed, they'd be too worried a player might notch or somehow mark the Bacc. cards.

NOW:
Bending, mangling, crumpling, all that is still allowed. Nowadays, there are some pit bosses who won't allow you to poke holes in the cards, but they are in the minority. The one pit boss I asked WHY he cared about poking holes claimed that the pen used to poke might go through and poke/damage the table felt, so after that I'd always put the playing card over my score cards before poking so that the pen coming through would hit, at worst, the score card and not the table felt. (A couple of pit bosses that I mentioned to WHY I was doing it that way, came back and told me "I don't care where you poke the cards" so obviously it is a personal pit boss pet peeve and not corporate policy as to whether poking is allowed or not.)

In Bacc. what we players are looking for first as we bend up the cards, are the "sides" (no sides (ace, 2, 3) - two sides (4, 5) - three sides (6, 7, 8) - four sides (9, 10) - and then of course a "line" means face card meaning a 10), and then afterwards the "dots" to determine which of the sided cards it is. When I play I first look quickly to see what combination I have, and if it is a combination of sides that may not possibly add up to 8 or 9 (or at least, 6 or 7), such as say - a two sided card and a three sided card, meaning that at best I have two cards that add up to 3 - then I don't waste time looking much further. As far as poking - I poke holes only if I have two four sided cards, to see if at least one of them has that dot in the middle, meaning then that my hand is at least an 8.

Some players will sit there forever carefully bending up the side and top to figure out that they have two face cards, or some other worthless hand. (i.e. some players will take a long time to look carefully at both cards no matter what they add up to.) I recall one player from a long time ago who would get this look on his face like he was about to perform some heroic feet and then lift his elbows way up at an angle (looking a little like a seated Karate Kid about to perform the crane) before he dove into the cards. When he was "opening" the cards, and my buddy would ask me what I thought he had, I'd say, "I don't know, but I do know that whatever it is, it's going to be dramatic."

Many Asian players are superstitious and think that the way they look, and their blowing away dots or announcing that there must be a dot, actually affect the outcome of the hand. Other players just do it because it is fun and prolongs the mystery of the hand's final outcome.

Last time I was at Encore I watched a special limits high roller in the back room open both sides, Bank and Player, they simply allowed him in deference to his high credit line and high bets to open all cards at his own private table.*** On request, occasionally, in the regular casino the pit boss will allow a player to open both sides too, if no one is betting the opposite side.

For me, I touch/bend/poke the cards because it gives me a better "feel" somehow for how the shoe is progressing. (Each win or loss seems more deliberate when you yourself experience the unfolding of the hand, side and dot by dot.) I like to play at a table where I am the one opening the cards, which nowadays I am not always the big player at the table (the largest bet gets to open that side, Bank or Player) but lately a lot of the players who have gotten to know me are convinced that I am "lucky" and allow me to open the cards for them, or, I just play alone at my own table. My experience is that there are two kinds of Baccarat shoes, random ones and shoes that tend to follow a certain pattern. The random shoes there is no real way to win on, but the pattern shoes for whatever reason follow some sort of discernible pattern, at least for a while, and if you are betting right on them, you will win, or at least I have won, pretty consistently.
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April 26th, 2019 at 10:20:10 AM permalink
Next time I play I'll turn the cards over so the dealer and camera can see them, then set one on fire and use it to light a cigarette.
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