Sands expanding into Florida
March 7th, 2011 at 10:44:56 PM
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Sands is now in talks about a major casino in Miami, while at the same time they are talking about Japan.
March 7th, 2011 at 11:57:31 PM
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Actually the proposed legislation is FIVE major casinos in the state pursuant to local option votes. Obviously the first one will be the Miami area where the votes are already favorable and demand is strongest. Its a "casino is only ten percent of the project" proposal, so its really a mandated mega-resort with hotel, convention space, cinema, shopping, parks, marina, etc.
The Seminole Tribe's bankers had wanted a zone of exclusivity around each of their then major casinos but I don't think they ever got it; so there is no such zone around Tampa or around Hollywood, FL.
If anyone on the board is interested ... the application fee is a fifty million dollar deposit, but its refundable if you are not selected.
The Seminole Tribe's bankers had wanted a zone of exclusivity around each of their then major casinos but I don't think they ever got it; so there is no such zone around Tampa or around Hollywood, FL.
If anyone on the board is interested ... the application fee is a fifty million dollar deposit, but its refundable if you are not selected.
March 8th, 2011 at 4:47:11 AM
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This may take 10 years to happen
March 8th, 2011 at 4:58:11 AM
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Or more. I think its simply a matter of Florida being too good a market to have all the gamblers there flying off to Biloxi, Tunica, Atlantic City or Las Vegas. There is a some Day Boat activity in Florida, but it is not impressive. There are ofcourse the various Seminole casinos and they are often full. If you listen to the dealers they are full of fleas and stiffs. That may well be the case but casinos don't quite care as much about their dealers as they pretend to.Quote: JIMMYFOCKERThis may take 10 years to happen
Its a market and its like any other market. It will eventually be tapped.
March 8th, 2011 at 5:10:30 AM
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I make the 600 or 900 mile drive or 90 minute flight to the real casinos in Mississippi. Seminoles got the corner on the market and their lousy odds plus lack of craps and other negatives send me down the road.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
March 8th, 2011 at 6:05:22 AM
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>I make the 600 or 900 mile drive or 90 minute flight to the real casinos in Mississippi.
Ah,,, I love that term "real casinos". The Seminole Tribe probably doesn't particularly love that term, but that is exactly their problem!
>Seminoles got the corner on the market
Yeah, a monopoly is rarely innovative. Why should the Seminoles try harder? Why should they try to get it right? Why should they offer comps? Or even get mailings out on time? They have no competition and they run their "casinos" with full knowledge that they have no competition.
>and their lousy odds
Yeah. Scattering a few half naked dealers around the place doesn't make up for lousy odds.
> plus lack of craps
For me that is the worst. They do have poker rooms but even the race tracks seem to have better poker rooms now.
>and other negatives send me down the road.
Its you and all those others who "go down the road" with their bankrolls that the Governor wants to be taxed in Florida rather than taxed "down the road". So the idea is to have resort hotel rooms, golf courses, marinas, movie theaters, convention centers and zillions of whatever else they can think of constructed in the state of Florida so as to keep you from going to Mississippi whether it be by plane or by car. After all, alot of New Yorkers winter in Florida and why should Florida not get some of that gambling money also.
Ah,,, I love that term "real casinos". The Seminole Tribe probably doesn't particularly love that term, but that is exactly their problem!
>Seminoles got the corner on the market
Yeah, a monopoly is rarely innovative. Why should the Seminoles try harder? Why should they try to get it right? Why should they offer comps? Or even get mailings out on time? They have no competition and they run their "casinos" with full knowledge that they have no competition.
>and their lousy odds
Yeah. Scattering a few half naked dealers around the place doesn't make up for lousy odds.
> plus lack of craps
For me that is the worst. They do have poker rooms but even the race tracks seem to have better poker rooms now.
>and other negatives send me down the road.
Its you and all those others who "go down the road" with their bankrolls that the Governor wants to be taxed in Florida rather than taxed "down the road". So the idea is to have resort hotel rooms, golf courses, marinas, movie theaters, convention centers and zillions of whatever else they can think of constructed in the state of Florida so as to keep you from going to Mississippi whether it be by plane or by car. After all, alot of New Yorkers winter in Florida and why should Florida not get some of that gambling money also.
March 8th, 2011 at 5:20:51 PM
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A casino at DisneyWorld could be a good fit. Not a great deal for AP's, but a good fit for the vacationing crowd.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
March 9th, 2011 at 3:56:38 AM
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Quote: AyecarumbaA casino at DisneyWorld could be a good fit. Not a great deal for AP's, but a good fit for the vacationing crowd.
No it wouldn't.
Except for to and from the airport, many DisneyWorld visitors never get off of Disney property.
A casino NEAR Disney may work, until you consider that most DisneyWorld visitors don't even rent a car.
And don't even suggest a casino IN DisneyWorld. If they don't put casinos on their cruise line, they sure as hell ain't gonna put them on their property.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
March 9th, 2011 at 4:00:17 AM
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All true. The biggest enemy of casinos in Florida is Disney.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
March 9th, 2011 at 6:19:12 AM
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Quote: DeMangoAll true. The biggest enemy of casinos in Florida is Disney.
That's for sure.
Casinos are magnets. Now you can say they are magnets for evil or for good but there is no question they are magnets.
And no one who operates a family resort really wants a casino absorbing the money that would otherwise get spent on rides, restaurants and similar items. Casinos siphon off the money and the time available to spend it.
March 9th, 2011 at 6:35:45 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffThat's for sure.
Casinos are magnets. Now you can say they are magnets for evil or for good but there is no question they are magnets.
And no one who operates a family resort really wants a casino absorbing the money that would otherwise get spent on rides, restaurants and similar items. Casinos siphon off the money and the time available to spend it.
That's not it at all. If that WERE thier motivation, Disney would have casinos on their cruise line.
As money hungry as they are, Disney is still about wholesome family values.
I invented a few casino games. Info:
http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ —————————————————————————————————————
Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
March 9th, 2011 at 7:09:12 AM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearA casino NEAR Disney may work, until you consider that most DisneyWorld visitors don't even rent a car.
Really? The only times I've ever rented a car on vacation was in Orlando. Of course I didn't stay at a Disney property. Anyway, that's why complimentary shuttles were invented.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
March 9th, 2011 at 7:25:37 AM
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you can't be sure. They say it is good for restaurants to be in a neighborhood with other restaurants. The double draw might work.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
March 9th, 2011 at 3:29:44 PM
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Florida is considering commercial casinos in both Orlando and Tampa (as well as Miami and Jacksonville).
March 9th, 2011 at 3:42:09 PM
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Governor Scott refused to accept Federal funding saying the project is too expensive. Since technically this is not a veto of the enabling legislation, merely a refusal of the governor to accept and spend funds on the project, the matter is going to be winding up in court eventually.
June 21st, 2011 at 1:10:29 PM
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Quote: pacomartinSands is now in talks about a major casino in Miami, while at the same time they are talking about Japan.
PLEASE NOTE: This is a news release based upon a real estate parcel having been designated even though the law does not presently allow a casino to be operated in Miami.
newsrelease:worldpropertychannel.com... also Miami Herald.
Genting Group, one of the world's largest international casino developers, has signed a contract with Miami-based Arquitectonica to design a $3 billion Downtown Miami resort. The Florida Legislature has still not approved the operation of full casinos in the state despite millions of dollars spent by lobbyists to change the law over the last 10 years.
Gov. Rick Scott vetoed any casino operations in the state last Thursday. The Seminole Tribe's casino operations have always been the exception, especially when the casinos are built and operated on Indian-owned land. Legislators did approve a $400,000 study to look at the economic impact of bringing resort casinos to Florida but Gov. Rick Scott vetoed that" on Thursday, June 16.
Nick Larossi, lobbyist for Las Vegas Sands Corp. in Las Vegas, told The Herald, "Miami's the crown jewel for this market -- everybody knows that.
"Everybody is posturing and planning and hoping the Legislature will make a decision to make destination resorts a reality" and Genting's deal just "upped the ante,'' he said.
June 23rd, 2011 at 7:08:34 AM
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So its just partnership agreements and real estate options and agreements to sign leases and deeds. Ain't nobody turning that ceremonial first shovel of dirt yet. Ain't nobody going to until the law is changed.
So its really a contest between the Seminole-owned politicians and the Non-Indian-owned politicians.
I wonder which side will win ... and when!
So its really a contest between the Seminole-owned politicians and the Non-Indian-owned politicians.
I wonder which side will win ... and when!
September 13th, 2011 at 2:03:22 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffSo its really a contest between the Seminole-owned politicians and the Non-Indian-owned politicians.
Casino Battle is great news for lobbyists.
Monday, 09.12.11 By Fred Grimm
fgrimm@MiamiHerald.com
Gambling interests, from South Florida, from Las Vegas, from around the globe, are hiring armies of lobbyists to shape or thwart gaming legislation percolating in the Legislature. Particularly, the twin bills sponsored by Sen. Ellyn Bogdanoff of Fort Lauderdale and Rep. Erik Fresen of Miami that would permit three giant “destination casinos” in South Florida.
The Herald’s Mary Ellen Klas reported last week that famed Las Vegas gambling concerns like the Las Vegas Sands. Caesars Palace and Wynn resorts have swept into Tallahassee, hiring big lobbyists and writing big checks. State Sen. Dennis Jones of Seminole, chairman of the Senate Regulated Industries Committee, told me Monday that the Vegas outfits weren’t even among the four largest gambling firms clamoring for an audience with his crucial committee.
He said the four huge foreign gaming corporations were also in the hunt for a “destination casino,” including Genting Malaysia Berhad, the same Malaysian gaming giant that just paid $236 million for the Miami Herald building and 13.9 acres on Biscayne Bay. Genting has reportedly hired three powerful lobbying firms, for an estimated $300,000, to convince lawmakers that a $3 billion hotel and casino resort in Miami would do great things for the Florida economy.
If the Seminoles and their longtime enemies, the racinos, are feeling a little peculiar making a common cause, imagine the discomfit of their other ally in the great casino war. “The Baptists and other concerns with the religious and moral perspective on gambling, are joined with existing gambling interests.”
Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/12/2403824/casino-battle-is-great-news-for.html#ixzz1Xohqjh00
September 29th, 2011 at 4:15:50 AM
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Florida's Tea Party officials seen as likely to approve of destination casinos as befitting fiscal conservative outlook rather than any particular stance on gambling per se. Although Tea Party officials seem to be fence straddling rather than taking a particular stance on the issue of the destination casino being competition for the existing Seminole casinos which want a zone of exclusivity.
Is Florida Warming to Las Vegas-Style Destination Casino Gambling?
By: Kenric Ward | Posted: September 29, 2011
Sunshine State News article
Is Florida Warming to Las Vegas-Style Destination Casino Gambling?
By: Kenric Ward | Posted: September 29, 2011
Sunshine State News article
September 30th, 2011 at 4:00:44 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffIs Florida Warming to Las Vegas-Style Destination Casino Gambling?
By: Kenric Ward | Posted: September 29, 2011
Despite the headline, I think what is motivating most cities is the prospect of Singapore-Style Destination Casino Gambling. The idea of two mega casinos attracting money from all over the world, and also people spending money in other areas of the city, is tantalizing. Vegas-style gaming involves enough casinos so that there is some competition. It also means competition for cheap rooms.
One of the post prized pieces of waterfront land in Florida will soon come alive with Resorts World Miami, a Destination Resort featuring iconic skyscrapers sporting designs inspired by a coral reef and serving as the centerpiece of a new three-mile Baywalk that will activate the city’s waterfront.
October 2nd, 2011 at 5:17:09 AM
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Florida lottery wins over Walmart with ticket sales to begin on October 5th in Orlando area Walmarts.
October 2nd, 2011 at 6:36:11 AM
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I called the Seminole Casino after browsing their website and noticing that there was no craps or roulette mentioned. The reply was that the Florida state legislature forbade table games other than card games! So they have slots and card games such as Casino War, with a hefty house advantage, but no craps or roulette. This is not about lack of innovation or stupidity, so much as it is about greed; at least in my opinion.
October 2nd, 2011 at 7:11:00 AM
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State Governments are pretty hypocritical on the gambling issue--how can a state that has a lottery, dog and horse tracks, and even jai alai (betting on the actions of humans playing raquetball on steroids in front of you) and is making no move to ban any of them be so against casinos? If you don't want gambling, fine. Get rid of it. Stop taking the money the state makes on gambling to prop up the economy (oh...darn...I mean help education).
Tea Party, republican party, democrat party be damned...you are all a bunch of hypocrites on sale to the highest bidder. (political statement--if you think your side of the issue is perfect, you are wrong. Doesn't matter which side.)
If you allow gambling in any form, why not allow full casinos owned by folks other than Indians? I am not saying take the Indian casinos away, but make them compete in the market instead of allowing monopolies on areas. The casinos I have visited in Florida are horrid places to play. High table minimums abound and slot payouts seem low. No craps. I avoid them but my wife likes the slots, so we do stop sometimes.
Tea Party, republican party, democrat party be damned...you are all a bunch of hypocrites on sale to the highest bidder. (political statement--if you think your side of the issue is perfect, you are wrong. Doesn't matter which side.)
If you allow gambling in any form, why not allow full casinos owned by folks other than Indians? I am not saying take the Indian casinos away, but make them compete in the market instead of allowing monopolies on areas. The casinos I have visited in Florida are horrid places to play. High table minimums abound and slot payouts seem low. No craps. I avoid them but my wife likes the slots, so we do stop sometimes.
October 2nd, 2011 at 8:42:00 AM
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"you are all a bunch of hypocrites on sale to the highest bidder" And please don't insult Rick Perry with a $5,000 bribe. He has higher
standards and refuses to even consider a bribe of less than $10,000.
standards and refuses to even consider a bribe of less than $10,000.
October 2nd, 2011 at 9:19:17 AM
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Quote: buzzpaff"you are all a bunch of hypocrites on sale to the highest bidder" And please don't insult Rick Perry with a $5,000 bribe. He has higher
standards and refuses to even consider a bribe of less than $10,000.
I apologize if my statement makes anyone take this off on a political tangent. The point is not about a particular candidate or office holder; it is just that more of them are on the take in some way than are working for the good of the country, state, county, etc. If you choose to take that out on one candidate, you are wrong. We can go in to all of them--on both sides--but that is not what this thread is about.
Point blank, Buzz, whatever side of the political spectrum you fall on, look and you will see corruption there. We have blamed it on "the other side" so long we have forgotten how to clean up our own house.
October 2nd, 2011 at 12:47:41 PM
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Indian gaming in Florida is limited to slot machines, blackjack, poker(recently at higher stakes), MiniBacc, a variety of carney games. No dice, no roulette.
All the lobbying and real estate options are predicated on the laws being changed regarding what is allowed and there being no Seminole-desired monopoly zone surrounding their casinos. The real prize in all this is Miami. And the only thing that the non-tribal gambling interests have to offer (in addition to the usual consultancy and publicity contracts) is the massive job grown when a development will consist of several hotels, an exhibit center, several restaurants, several stores, a marina, recreation areas, open areas, etc. with a full casino limited to ten percent of the footprint.
All the lobbying and real estate options are predicated on the laws being changed regarding what is allowed and there being no Seminole-desired monopoly zone surrounding their casinos. The real prize in all this is Miami. And the only thing that the non-tribal gambling interests have to offer (in addition to the usual consultancy and publicity contracts) is the massive job grown when a development will consist of several hotels, an exhibit center, several restaurants, several stores, a marina, recreation areas, open areas, etc. with a full casino limited to ten percent of the footprint.
October 15th, 2011 at 2:23:56 AM
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Gannet News Press article on last Thursday's court decision regarding casinos in Florida.
Miami Heat president Pat Riley is putting on a full-court press for a 1,500 hotel room and casino just east of Interstate 75 in Fort Myers.
As the 2012 Legislature's winter session approaches, partisans in the casino gambling wars are choosing up sides.
On one side: those who say gaming would bring jobs and tax revenue to a state where gambling is allowed in every Publix and 7-Eleven.
On the other: opponents fearful gambling could forever destroy the Sunshine State's family-friendly reputation.
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Of course the real battle is Seminole Monopoly versus competition and which politicians get what. I think the use of the term "gambling resort" rather than "casino" is childish.
I doubt the Seminole casino in forty-minute distant Immokalee's farmland would welcome the opening of a casino in Fort Myers where there is already an existing draw for visitors. Of course if the businessmen only land the permit but do not proceed, its still valuable to them.
Miami Heat president Pat Riley is putting on a full-court press for a 1,500 hotel room and casino just east of Interstate 75 in Fort Myers.
As the 2012 Legislature's winter session approaches, partisans in the casino gambling wars are choosing up sides.
On one side: those who say gaming would bring jobs and tax revenue to a state where gambling is allowed in every Publix and 7-Eleven.
On the other: opponents fearful gambling could forever destroy the Sunshine State's family-friendly reputation.
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Of course the real battle is Seminole Monopoly versus competition and which politicians get what. I think the use of the term "gambling resort" rather than "casino" is childish.
I doubt the Seminole casino in forty-minute distant Immokalee's farmland would welcome the opening of a casino in Fort Myers where there is already an existing draw for visitors. Of course if the businessmen only land the permit but do not proceed, its still valuable to them.
December 9th, 2011 at 2:24:53 AM
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Rules Committee starts hacking away at Florida's Destination Gambling Bill.
Orlando Sentinel's editorial position is that enabling legislation should not impose gambling in (Rural, Tourist, Family-Friendly areas... ie, Disney Company Areas) and that other gambling issues (mainly Internet Cafes and Casino Taxation Parity) should be addressed in the Destination Gambling Bill.
From Orlando Sentinel: Gambling Committee start hammering away on destination resorts bill — by khaughney on December, 7 2011
TALLAHASSEE — A panel of Florida lawmakers got its first chance to start picking away at a controversial gambling bill that would bring three destination casino resorts to Florida, and the overriding message for sponsor Sen. Ellyn Bogdanoff, R-Fort Lauderdale, was that she should move slowly.
major changes were proposed ... more table games, a lower tax rate for existing racinos, a higher tax rate for any new destination casinos.
Sen. Thrasher, Rules Committee, said the Legislature should first address current gambling loopholes that have led to several smaller counties recently applying for gambling permits around the state, and then take a slower approach to the destination resort plan. He said he felt that the bill would be a “major change in the culture and brand of the state of Florida” and that It was something lawmakers “really need to reflect on.”
Senate President Mike Haridopolos has promised that the legislation would receive an up or down vote on the floor, but acknowledged that Thrasher was a “trusted adviser” who held major sway among the members.
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I would imagine that "slower approach" is a code word for delays that stuff the pockets of politicians and their lawyer, consultant, lobbyist cronies while real estate speculators jockey for position involving prime casino sites. I think "smaller county" is a euphemism for "Other Than My County". I think the "loopholes" refers to Internet Cafes which generally are located in areas well removed from the areas for the proposed destination casinos and is therefore simply a delaying tactic to dilute the Destination Casino effectiveness.
Orlando Sentinel's editorial position is that enabling legislation should not impose gambling in (Rural, Tourist, Family-Friendly areas... ie, Disney Company Areas) and that other gambling issues (mainly Internet Cafes and Casino Taxation Parity) should be addressed in the Destination Gambling Bill.
From Orlando Sentinel: Gambling Committee start hammering away on destination resorts bill — by khaughney on December, 7 2011
TALLAHASSEE — A panel of Florida lawmakers got its first chance to start picking away at a controversial gambling bill that would bring three destination casino resorts to Florida, and the overriding message for sponsor Sen. Ellyn Bogdanoff, R-Fort Lauderdale, was that she should move slowly.
major changes were proposed ... more table games, a lower tax rate for existing racinos, a higher tax rate for any new destination casinos.
Sen. Thrasher, Rules Committee, said the Legislature should first address current gambling loopholes that have led to several smaller counties recently applying for gambling permits around the state, and then take a slower approach to the destination resort plan. He said he felt that the bill would be a “major change in the culture and brand of the state of Florida” and that It was something lawmakers “really need to reflect on.”
Senate President Mike Haridopolos has promised that the legislation would receive an up or down vote on the floor, but acknowledged that Thrasher was a “trusted adviser” who held major sway among the members.
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I would imagine that "slower approach" is a code word for delays that stuff the pockets of politicians and their lawyer, consultant, lobbyist cronies while real estate speculators jockey for position involving prime casino sites. I think "smaller county" is a euphemism for "Other Than My County". I think the "loopholes" refers to Internet Cafes which generally are located in areas well removed from the areas for the proposed destination casinos and is therefore simply a delaying tactic to dilute the Destination Casino effectiveness.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:22:08 AM
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More Miami Herald babble about Florida:
While MGM Resorts International’s CEO Jim Murren hasn’t been making headlines in South Florida like some of his competitors, don’t interpret that as any lack of interest in this market.
If the Florida legislature approves gambling, Murren’s company intends to make a play for one of the potential two licenses that could be allotted for Miami-Dade County, he said Thursday during a visit to Miami. And he may build a hotel here even without gaming. Las Vegas-based MGM is focusing its search on the downtown area and Miami Beach.
Murren, who is also MGM’s chairman, said he thinks that opening a Las Vegas style mega-resort in South Florida with between 3,000 and 4,000 rooms, plus a casino of up to 200,000-square-feet or more, would be the wrong move.
They’re intensely following this year’s legislative proposal to allow up to two destination resorts in Miami-Dade County and one in Broward County with a minimum of a $2 billion investment.
Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/15/2548308/mgm-ceo-offers-views-on-south.html#ixzz1gyhKmf8M
While MGM Resorts International’s CEO Jim Murren hasn’t been making headlines in South Florida like some of his competitors, don’t interpret that as any lack of interest in this market.
If the Florida legislature approves gambling, Murren’s company intends to make a play for one of the potential two licenses that could be allotted for Miami-Dade County, he said Thursday during a visit to Miami. And he may build a hotel here even without gaming. Las Vegas-based MGM is focusing its search on the downtown area and Miami Beach.
Murren, who is also MGM’s chairman, said he thinks that opening a Las Vegas style mega-resort in South Florida with between 3,000 and 4,000 rooms, plus a casino of up to 200,000-square-feet or more, would be the wrong move.
They’re intensely following this year’s legislative proposal to allow up to two destination resorts in Miami-Dade County and one in Broward County with a minimum of a $2 billion investment.
Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/12/15/2548308/mgm-ceo-offers-views-on-south.html#ixzz1gyhKmf8M
December 19th, 2011 at 4:52:33 AM
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Quote: FleaStiffWhile MGM Resorts International’s CEO Jim Murren hasn’t been making headlines in South Florida like some of his competitors, don’t interpret that as any lack of interest in this market.
You gotta hand it to them. One of the most unprofitable companies on the Fortune 500, and they are considering building multi-billion dollar projects.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:56:12 PM
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Apparently the Bill was voted out of the Rules Committee after being marked up to include such things as proliferation of Internet Cafes wherein even if its a free wifi area people pay to rent internet time and the cafe offers some sort of added promotional effort.
Slots and BJ may become legal at every horse track.
The major provision is still the Three major casinos and legalization of Craps and Roulette in Florida. Seminoles probably won't be thrilled about losing a monopoly but what they have now is so profitable that they may not even notice it.
Business Week:
Florida could get three new large casinos, as well as slot machines at every dog and horse track in the state, under a far-reaching gambling bill that passed its first hurdle Monday.
A state Senate panel voted 7-3 in favor of the hotly debated and heavily lobbied bill, but its future remains uncertain amid the avowedly staunch opposition to the expansion of gambling by top House Republicans.
So the bill approved on Monday now gives dog tracks and horse tracks located in the same counties with the large casinos, or destination resorts, a chance to offer the same games such as blackjack without having to make the same $2 billion investment. These tracks would also pay the same lower tax rate as the casinos
Slots and BJ may become legal at every horse track.
The major provision is still the Three major casinos and legalization of Craps and Roulette in Florida. Seminoles probably won't be thrilled about losing a monopoly but what they have now is so profitable that they may not even notice it.
Business Week:
Florida could get three new large casinos, as well as slot machines at every dog and horse track in the state, under a far-reaching gambling bill that passed its first hurdle Monday.
A state Senate panel voted 7-3 in favor of the hotly debated and heavily lobbied bill, but its future remains uncertain amid the avowedly staunch opposition to the expansion of gambling by top House Republicans.
So the bill approved on Monday now gives dog tracks and horse tracks located in the same counties with the large casinos, or destination resorts, a chance to offer the same games such as blackjack without having to make the same $2 billion investment. These tracks would also pay the same lower tax rate as the casinos
January 12th, 2012 at 6:16:47 PM
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We went out to the Seminole Casino Immokolee while we were down
there over the X-mas break. I was underwhelmed by the paytables,
but in general the property itself had been upgraded some since I was
there 5 or 6 years ago.
I found a coupon in the paper for a $ 50 blackjack matchplay at my
father-in-law's house. Didn't win, but it was nice to tip the odds
in my favor, if for only one hand. Nope, didn't win it. The coupon
was only good for a $ 50 bet, you couldn't use it for less. Which
seems odd if you think about it, usually a coupon like that is only
good for a $ 5 or 10 match.
The coupon was for new sign-ups only. My wife used a free slot
play coupon, but I'm not sure it was good at any VP machines.
there over the X-mas break. I was underwhelmed by the paytables,
but in general the property itself had been upgraded some since I was
there 5 or 6 years ago.
I found a coupon in the paper for a $ 50 blackjack matchplay at my
father-in-law's house. Didn't win, but it was nice to tip the odds
in my favor, if for only one hand. Nope, didn't win it. The coupon
was only good for a $ 50 bet, you couldn't use it for less. Which
seems odd if you think about it, usually a coupon like that is only
good for a $ 5 or 10 match.
The coupon was for new sign-ups only. My wife used a free slot
play coupon, but I'm not sure it was good at any VP machines.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
January 12th, 2012 at 6:21:35 PM
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Quote: pacomartin
a Destination Resort featuring iconic skyscrapers sporting designs inspired by a coral reef and serving as the centerpiece of a new three-mile Baywalk that will activate the city’s waterfront.
Is it just me, or does this perspective on the building on the
left bring to mind something besides a coral reef ?
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
January 12th, 2012 at 6:35:44 PM
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It took me a minute, but what has been seen cannot be unseen.
The opinions of this moderator are for entertainment purposes only.
January 12th, 2012 at 7:16:43 PM
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Quote: JohnnyQWe went out to the Seminole Casino Immokolee while we were down
there over the X-mas break. I was underwhelmed by the paytables,
but in general the property itself had been upgraded some since I was
there 5 or 6 years ago.
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I was there in the fall. Did you take Corkscrew Road or Immokolee Road? Because at night, Corkscrew is a pretty frightening road to drive on. From Ft Myers/Naples, it's like 30 minutes of one lane road in complete darkness (no street lights). In the day, not so bad.
January 13th, 2012 at 2:33:22 PM
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We followed GPS directions from Cape Coral. But yeah,
it was a 2 lane road for a lot of it, but seemed fine
at the time, driving at night.
it was a 2 lane road for a lot of it, but seemed fine
at the time, driving at night.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
June 23rd, 2013 at 8:33:33 PM
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At the tables tonight the dealers were talking about a new Sands property in Miami.
July 17th, 2013 at 9:58:09 PM
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This article says they have scouted several cities although Miami seems to be the preferred choice.
The Miami & Fort Lauderdale airports actually do 20% more business than the Orlando & Tampa airports. I think that Miami has more of the international visitors that Adelson wants, instead of the family crowds at Orlando.
The Miami & Fort Lauderdale airports actually do 20% more business than the Orlando & Tampa airports. I think that Miami has more of the international visitors that Adelson wants, instead of the family crowds at Orlando.
July 17th, 2013 at 10:30:33 PM
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Miami Dade County already has a voter approval of some sort whereas all opposition is Disney controlled and that means from Orlando's coffers.
Genting Real Estate nee Miami Herald Building in asbestos abatement and demolition phase: 13.9 acres.
Genting Real Estate nee Miami Herald Building in asbestos abatement and demolition phase: 13.9 acres.
July 18th, 2013 at 12:22:49 AM
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Does anyone know where this site for Resorts World Miami is located?
August 11th, 2013 at 2:09:17 PM
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Quote: pacomartin
Does anyone know where this site for Resorts World Miami is located?
It's the downtown area leading out to the Port of Miami. (Epic fail = me uploading pictures on this site). GoogleMap I-395 Port of Miami 15th street, etc. and it'll zero right in. The port causeway lands and islands are truncated in this model.
That area is so congested right now and the streets so screwed up they would have to take down about 10 city blocks of buildings to do it and rebuild major roadways. But if you have that kind of money, I suppose that stuff is child's play.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
